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Title: PrisonPlanet Amps Up Use Of Canard: "I am not an anti-semite, I just blame jews for everything (Title Modified)"
Source: PRISON PLANET FORUM
URL Source: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=26252.440
Published: May 16, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-05-16 07:57:02 by Artisan
Ping List: *Alex Jones*
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Views: 439
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PrisonPlanet.com is increasingly using the 'anti-semite' canard, and had a moderator changed the name of a topic to I am not an anti-semite, I just blame jews for everything (Title Modified) I do not know what the original title was. The topic now has 121 pages of replies.(!) Here is the latest page from that thread.

Meanwhile, the article FEAR AND CENSORSHIP RAMPANT IN "PATRIOT" COMMUNITY, which I first posted here at 4um, was linked on the front page of Rense.com.

Mike Rivero of Whatreallyhappened.com responded to one of his members who posted it:

Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community I post this as food for thought.The NWO boys use divide and conquer tactics to keep us all apart and ineffective. I do'nt know that the author is trying to stir up trouble.However he makes some valid points. Being of Ashkenazi background myself,1/8 to be exact(I'm a real American mutt,ancestor wise) I do not like to see carte blanche attacks on "Jews".Zionism which I once supported is the problem along with the fractional reserve usurious banking system. I hope that Mike or Alex do'nt get mad at me. United we stand,divided we fall!

Rivero responds:

I am not mad at you. You are correct; in recent weeks there has been an obvious campaign to try to get the patriot movement to turn on itself. Now that the corporate media has finally been forced to report what the blogs have been telling you all along; that the entire case for war (including the frame-up for 9-11) was based on confessions extracted under torture, attempts to disrupt the blog-o-sphere will no doubt intensify. But we will not be tricked. We will not be silenced! And the price to shut us up just went WAY up! :)
Michael Rivero
webmaster
What Really Happened
05/15/2009 - 08:18

PrisonPlanet member Ready4truth posted the topic Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community and added "Ok, now lets see how much this forum supports free speech..."

PrisonPlanet member TurnerBurn posted a topic Alex, are you going to respond to the Texe Marrs attack on Bermas?

What are you waiting for? Rense has had a whole section devoted to this nonsense. And f.y.i. Alexa ranks rense.com as having a larger footprint than prisonplanet.com and it is slightly smaller than infowars.com. So, that's alot of people seeing Texe Marrs bad-mouth Jason Bermas. It's time to expose Rense for the freak that he is. And it's time to call out your old buddy Texe Marrs. Publicly!!! Enough you-tube stuff. They're a private entity, and they're entitled to control content. Just as you are. What are you going to do now that your alleged friend is on the attack??

B.T.W. Don't flame me chumps! I've been a loyal listener/subscriber for years. I'm just tired of generic responses to the Reagans, Savages, Becks, etc, but not one distinct response to the "alternative" media attacks. Especially to sources that are not that far away from being at the tip of the electronic spear

Some of the members replies were as follows:

I agree with you... I think a response is necessary at this point.

I would like to see Alex have Jason and Texe discuss this issue. We can have Jason and Texe on Infowarior talk about it.

Haha...Yeah right, Jones should come out and say Boring Bermas was right to say the caller should kill himself...because it's goooood to say things like that. Care to suggest a possible defence for Jones to make?

The original topic at prisonplanet which was deleted is available at google cache: Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Should Hang themselves and also in archive with stats, and all the deleted replies, here at boardreader.com. I have never heard of boardreader.com, but it looks like an interesting and useful site.
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#1. To: Artisan, christine, HOUNDDAWG (#0) (Edited)
a moderator changed the name of a topic to I am not an anti- semite, I just blame jews for everything (Title Modified) I do not know what the original title was.

The original title was: Zionism is the Top of the Pyramid
AJ is obviously fronting for a larger agency.
Edit: btw, here's the category trail of the mentioned thread:
Off Topic / Faux Controversies / Whining Threads / UFO's (Moderator: aLLyOuRbAsE) > I am not an anti-semite, I just blame jews for everything (Title Modified)
Eff the Bankers
bluegrass posted on 2009-05-16 8:13:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: bluegrass, Artisan, All (#1)
a moderator changed the name of a topic to I am not an anti- semite, I just blame jews for everything (Title Modified) I do not know what the original title was.

That is way over the line. You dont mess with someones posts like that.
They are melting down. This is an amazing thing to see!
I'm coming to the realization that we dont need to expose them, because they do an infinitely better job in exposing themselves. We can just sit back, relax, and let them hang themselves.

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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
PSUSA posted on 2009-05-16 8:35:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: PSUSA, bluegrass, Artisan, Artisan (#2)
Alexander Cuppet-I Am Against the New World Order Al Cuppet a retired Lt-Colonel in the Army became a born again Christian in 1969. His high level clearence in the military gave him access to some of the NWO's lower command chain
I Am Against the New World Order PART 1

Itistoolate posted on 2009-05-16 8:43:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: PSUSA, bluegrass, Artisan, Artisan (#3)

Itistoolate posted on 2009-05-16 9:11:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: bluegrass (#1)
thanks for that info.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2009-05-16 10:38:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Itistoolate (#3)
His high level clearence in the military gave him access to some of the NWO's lower command chain.

He says these elites hate the state of Israel and born-again Christians. I once heard him on Jack Blood's show say he wanted to take all Jews to Israel. Since then, I've thought of Cuppet as cointelpro. Seems to me these secret- society folks love the state of Israel, but guess it's just semantics.

CadetD posted on 2009-05-16 10:45:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: randge, CadetD (#6)
fyi, r

Deasy posted on 2009-05-16 10:49:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: bluegrass, Artisan (#1)
a moderator changed the name of a topic

wow, that is so wrong. alex really should address this.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
christine posted on 2009-05-16 11:01:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: christine, bluegrass, itistoolate, psusa, rickyj, original_intent, twentytwelve (#8) (Edited)
here is the article in it's completion, posted at iamthewitness.com
----> PrisonPlanet.com Amps Up Use Of "Anti-Semite" Canard

5-16-09

In what is seemingly a response to the recent Jason Bermas "Jew Critics Are 'Anti- Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves" controversy, PrisonPlanet.com and it's forum moderators are increasingly using the 'anti- semite' canard, with moderators recently changing the name of a topic to
"I am not an anti-semite, I just blame jews for everything (Title Modified)". The topic was started by PrisonPlanet forum user 'Infowarrior uk' and was orignally entitled 'Zionism is the Top of the Pyramid; it promoted a youtube video trailer which was here, before youtube deleted it moments ago, probably at the urging of their censorship partner the ADL.. PrisonPlanet's altering of a user's discussion thread title has caused a firestorm of criticism from PrisonPlanet's own members, with the topic reaching an amazing 121 pages of replies(!) so far. Here is the latest page from that thread.

Obviously this is a topic that truth seekers want to research and discuss. Let's briefly revisit some political and religious implications of criticizing Israel in 2009, and then I will summarize how this relates to the recent PrisonPlanet fiasco. The "mainstream" media demonized Richard Williamson as an "anti-semite" an "holocaust denier" after Pope Benedict recently lifted his excommunication, along with three other members of the Society of Saint Pius X.
Perhaps this is why PrisonPlanet and other '9/11 truth' websites made no mention of Williamson's very notable comments regarding 9/11 being an inside job. A recent speech given by Williamson on the topic reveals that he has the intelligence and discernment to question governments on a number of issues which the "establishment" would rather not bring up:
"It's not ruling us today, it's not a party as brutal as the Stalinist was, it's not yet a police state imposing upon us to say that two and two are five, but the police state, as everyone of you certainly knows, is closing in both here and in the United States for sure and certain. The police state took a great leap forwards with 911, that's for certain and I hope that none of you believe that 911 is what it was presented to be, it was (of course the two towers came down) but it was absolutely for certain not two aeroplanes that brought down those two towers, they were professionally demolished by a series of demolition charges from top to the bottom of the towers. If you doubt that, look up on the internet 911mysteries.com.
I mention this in sermons. Why do I keep mentioning this in sermons? Because TRUTH is at stake. Because if the towers were pulled down by two aeroplanes, then the party is virtually in control. The party has got control of people's minds, the party can push through all kinds of lies in its media, and if the people swallow the lies, they will be enslaved. Our Lord said, "The truth will make you free",33; the corollary of which is 'Lies will enslave you.'
At the moment, the whole world is being told lies by these media, by the government, by the politicians, by the universities, by the teachers, and worst of all, alas, by the cardinals and the highest authorities in the Church. We are being enslaved by lies, and the most outstanding global lie of recent times to enslave the minds of all of us, or to deceive the minds of all of us, and thereby to enslave us by making us all believe that the police state is a good thing and a necessary thing. And that is why the police state has advanced in leaps and bounds as it has. The greatest example is 911. And that is a classic example of an enslaving lie."

Why on earth would so many truth sites completely omit mention of such a wonderfully eloquent speech by a religious leader? Obviously it is his comments regarding the historical evidence about the number of holocaust victims and the use of gas chambers which turned Williamson into a non entity. There is also the issue of his brand of 'Catholicism', which is not particularly relevent to our discussion, but just to touch on it, Williamson and the three other 'bishops' were ordained without church authority by Archbishop Lefebvre, and all were therefore excommunicated as a result in 1989.

When Pope Benedict XVI lifted this punishment of excommunication from the church a few months ago, it caused so much angst among the establishment that the Pope himself had to issue a statement regarding and clarifying this issue, which he did on March 10, 2009. You can read it here:

LETTER OF HIS HOLINESS POPE BENEDICT XVI TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CONCERNING THE REMISSION OF THE EXCOMMUNICATION OF THE FOUR BISHOPS CONSECRATED BY ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE

Meanwhile the press is reporting Jews tell Vatican: Holocaust denial Is Crime. The ADL says that September 11 "conspiracy theories" are being spread by "anti-semites" and aiding "terrorists". Jane Harman with her AIPAC connections advocates slanderous hate crime bills demonizing 9/11 truthers. Paul Craig Roberts recently wrote, Criminalizing criticism of Israel is the end of free speech. The news is reporting that
Pro- Israel 'bloggers' are joining the 'media war' (Sounds strangely smiliar to "InfoWar", doesn't it?) and
Israeli Group Asks US Government to Censor and Investigate Americans Who Criticize Israel.
On the religous front, we have rabbi's telling the Pope that he should not wear a Crucifix at the Western Wall. Check out the Catholic laity response to this.

In February 2008 some Jews demanded the Pope rewrite an 'offensive' prayer for Jewish conversion, insisting he remove references to "darkness" and "blindness". The Pope conceded to their wishes and they still complained, when finally a Vatican cardinal defends Jewish conversion prayer the next week.

What a stark change from less than 500 years ago, when Catholic Pope said on the following; (just imagine the "angst" and hand wringing which will be the result from me 'daring' to print the following historical words of a Catholic Pope?)
Pope Eugenius IV, in 1442, issued the following decree:
"We decree and order that from now on, and for all time, Christians shall not eat or drink with Jews; nor admit them to feasts, nor cohabit with them, nor bathe with them. Christians shall not allow Jews to hold civil honors over Christians, or to exercise public offices in the State. Jews cannot be merchants, Tax Collectors, or agents in the buying and selling of the produce and goods of Christians, nor their Procurators, Computers or Lawyers in matrimonial matters, nor Obstetricians; nor can they have association or partnership with Christians. No Christian can leave or bequeath anything in his last Will and Testament to Jews or their congregations. Jews are prohibited from erecting new synagogues. They are obliged to pay annually a tenth part of their goods and holdings. Against them Christians can testify, but the testimony of Jews against Christians in no case is of any value. All and every single Jew, of whatever sex and age, must everywhere wear the distinct dress and known marks by which they can be evidently distinguished from Christians. They cannot live among Christians, but in a certain street, separated and segregated from Christians, and outside which they cannot under any pretext have houses".

For more on this, you can see this page:
The Talmud Unmasked: The Secret Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians

by Rev. I. B. Pranaitis, Roman Catholic Priest; Master of Theology and Professor of the Hebrew Language at the Imperial Ecclesiastical Academy of the Roman Catholic Church in Old St. Petersburg. 1892
(This also has an imprimatur, which is the Church's confirmation that the document is free from all moral and doctrinal error.)
There's more!
In 1244, Pope Innocent IV also ordered the burning of Jewish books. He exhorted the King of France as follows:
"Our dear Son, the Chancellor of Paris, and the Doctors, before the clergy and people, publicly burned by fire the aforesaid books (The Talmud) with all their appendices. We beg and beseech your Celestial Majesty in the Lord Jesus, that, having begun laudably and piously to prosecute those who perpetuate these detestable excesses, that you continue with due severity. And that you command throughout your whole kingdom that the aforesaid books with all their glossaries, already condemned by the Doctors, be committed to the flames. Firmly prohibiting Jews from having Christians as servants and nurses.
Pope Gregory IX sent the following to the archbishops of Germany:
"The Jews, who are admitted to our acquaintance only through our mercy, should never forget their yoke of perpetual slavery, which they bear through their own fault. In the Council of Toledo it was decreed that Jews of both sexes, and for all time, should be distinguished from others by their mode of dress. We therefore command that each and every one of you to have all the excesses of the Jews completely repressed, lest they should presume to raise their necks from the yoke of servitude in contumely of the Redeemer; forbidding them to discuss in any way concerning their faith or rites with Christians.

Incidently, here is a good page on 9/11, where I found the above quotes some time back, while researching freemasonry. http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/who-pulled-911.htm

The establishment press and even so-called "independent" media leaders have always sought, to some degree, to control what information is disseminated. I will sum up with some reaction to my previous article and urge everyone to maintain the fierce spirit of independence and autonomy, while maintaining Christian charity. I pray that I can be a good example of this as well.
FEAR AND CENSORSHIP RAMPANT IN "PATRIOT" COMMUNITY was linked on the front page of Rense.com.

Mike Rivero of Whatreallyhappened.com responded to one of his members who posted it:

Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community I post this as food for thought.The NWO boys use divide and conquer tactics to keep us all apart and ineffective. I do'nt know that the author is trying to stir up trouble.However he makes some valid points. Being of Ashkenazi background myself,1/8 to be exact(I'm a real American mutt,ancestor wise) I do not like to see carte blanche attacks on "Jews".Zionism which I once supported is the problem along with the fractional reserve usurious banking system. I hope that Mike or Alex do'nt get mad at me. United we stand,divided we fall!

Rivero responds:

I am not mad at you. You are correct; in recent weeks there has been an obvious campaign to try to get the patriot movement to turn on itself. Now that the corporate media has finally been forced to report what the blogs have been telling you all along; that the entire case for war (including the frame-up for 9-11) was based on confessions extracted under torture, attempts to disrupt the blog-o-sphere will no doubt intensify. But we will not be tricked. We will not be silenced! And the price to shut us up just went WAY up! :)
Michael Rivero
webmaster
What Really Happened
05/15/2009 - 08:18

PrisonPlanet member Ready4truth posted the topic Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community and added "Ok, now lets see how much this forum supports free speech..."

PrisonPlanet member TurnerBurn posted a topic Alex, are you going to respond to the Texe Marrs attack on Bermas?

What are you waiting for? Rense has had a whole section devoted to this nonsense. And f.y.i. Alexa ranks rense.com as having a larger footprint than prisonplanet.com and it is slightly smaller than infowars.com. So, that's alot of people seeing Texe Marrs bad-mouth Jason Bermas. It's time to expose Rense for the freak that he is. And it's time to call out your old buddy Texe Marrs. Publicly!!! Enough you-tube stuff. They're a private entity, and they're entitled to control content. Just as you are. What are you going to do now that your alleged friend is on the attack??

B.T.W. Don't flame me chumps! I've been a loyal listener/subscriber for years. I'm just tired of generic responses to the Reagans, Savages, Becks, etc, but not one distinct response to the "alternative" media attacks. Especially to sources that are not that far away from being at the tip of the electronic spear

Some of the members replies were as follows:

I agree with you... I think a response is necessary at this point.

I would like to see Alex have Jason and Texe discuss this issue. We can have Jason and Texe on Infowarior talk about it.

Haha...Yeah right, Jones should come out and say Boring Bermas was right to say the caller should kill himself...because it's goooood to say things like that. Care to suggest a possible defence for Jones to make?

The original topic at prisonplanet which was deleted is available at google cache: Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Should Hang themselves and also in archive with stats, and all the deleted replies, here at boardreader.com. I have never heard of boardreader.com, but it looks like an interesting and useful site.
SEE ALSO: >Fr. Coughlin: "Not AntiSemitism But AntiCommunism" (1938)
A few months back i saw an article in the Wanderer Catholic Newspaper about Father Coughlin. I had never heard of him, and found out as a result of that article that my late grandpa, who had come to the U.S. from Italy, was a big fan of Fr. Coughlin. So I looked into it and learned more about him, and found some great audio speeches.
All 4 videos HERE

Jewish Rabbi Lies About Henry Ford- Father Coughlin Exposes Liars, "War Mongers, International Bankers," 1938
Father Coughlin: Not Anti Semitism But Anti Communism 1/4

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2009-05-16 13:08:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Artisan, PSUSA (#0)
If anyone can point to one of these "alternative media" people..any of them... and with total certainty tell me they are real (as opposed to controlled oppostition and agent provacateurs), please report to the nearest red phone and dial 6.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
IndieTX posted on 2009-05-16 14:56:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Artisan (#0)
PrisonPlanet Amps Up Use Of Canard

They're gonna blow a 50 amp fuse.
I've already said too much.
MUDDOG posted on 2009-05-16 15:32:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: IndieTX (#10)
If anyone can point to one of these "alternative media" people..any of them... and with total certainty tell me they are real (as opposed to controlled oppostition and agent provacateurs), please report to the nearest red phone and dial 6.

If they have a big problem with saying "I dont know", that is a red flag for me. As is the inability to say "I was wrong" and "I'm sorry" when it should be said. Another one is saying things rapid-fire and give no one a chance to check any of it out. Another one is saying totally stupid off-the-wall blatant bullshit.
But they seem to do a very good job of exposing themselves. It just takes time.
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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
PSUSA posted on 2009-05-16 15:58:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: IndieTX (#10)
and with total certainty tell me they are real (as opposed to controlled opposition and agent provacateurs)

i've met many freedom activists and many in the alternative media. some are personal friends. while no one can say anything with total certainty, i have to say, i'd be pretty stunned if i learned they were controlled op or agent provocateurs.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
christine posted on 2009-05-16 16:27:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: christine, IndieTX (#13)
i've met many freedom activists and many in the alternative media. some are personal friends. while no one can say anything with total certainty, i have to say, i'd be pretty stunned if i learned they were controlled op or agent provocateurs.

Don't kid yourself. Some likely are and you probably know at least one without knowing it. That does not mean that we must live in fear, but must be vigilant against betrayal by someone who has gained confidence and then gets the order to do something to discredit Patriots. CoIntelPro is alive and well - they've just become a little more sophisticated. That is why my ardent defense of Alex Jones has cooled to its current "accumulating data" position.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-05-16 23:16:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Artisan (#9)
Thank you for the ping. A most excellent post and much food for thought.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-05-16 23:18:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Original_Intent (#14)
CoIntelPro is alive and well - they've just become a little more sophisticated.

CoIntelPro
A little background for lurkers who may not be familiar with this term.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
IndieTX posted on 2009-05-16 23:43:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Original_Intent (#14)
Don't kid yourself.

no, i'm not. as i said, i can't vouch for anyone with total certainty, but without naming names, i've spent a good deal of time with several and i would be shocked if i were to learn that they are agent provocateurs.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
christine posted on 2009-05-17 0:14:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: IndieTX (#16)
wow, it's cool the way that site opens and closes.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
christine posted on 2009-05-17 0:20:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Original_Intent, Artisan, all (#14)
Don't kid yourself. Some likely are and you probably know at least one without knowing it.

That's the principle.
They have to get your trust first. They don't come off as shady or underhanded.
I know you're still "accumulating data", but he is a perfect example IMO. People first wake up, then they do a little research, and they go to him because his sites are very popular. I see him as a "catcher" when it comes to controlled opposition. He collects those that drop into his lap and hangs onto them by providing mostly good info, but sneaks in the disinfo. You caught him doing that, so did Artisan, so did I, so did others.
You also saw people here defending the indefensible by calling us agents (and worse) and saying that this was all somehow coordinated with jones' release of the obama movie. But it is odd how it all seemed to happen at once. I guess we just got fed up at the same time.
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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
PSUSA posted on 2009-05-17 8:18:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: PSUSA, christine, IndieTX, Artisan, ratcat, CadetD (#19) (Edited)
I know you're still "accumulating data", but he is a perfect example IMO. People first wake up, then they do a little research, and they go to him because his sites are very popular. I see him as a "catcher" when it comes to controlled opposition. He collects those that drop into his lap and hangs onto them by providing mostly good info, but sneaks in the disinfo. You caught him doing that, so did Artisan, so did I, so did others.

That is basically the pattern that was followed by "Pills", Viagra Vacation in Pedophile Land, Limbaugh. For the first years of his program he worked at developing credibility through the use of accurate information and humor. The big change came in 1998 about the time Geeeeeeeeeeeee Duhbya announced, or it was becoming apparent he would announce, for the Preznitcy. He went from being a reasonably reliable vendor of fact and opinion to an outright disinformation source. The first time I caught him throwing in what had to be intentional disinformation I was bothered, the second time I was gone.
So, I'm still in the "is he or isn't he?" phase of analyzing Jones. I am leaning torward your conclusion but am not convinced enough to say with the same certainty the way I can speak of the Mahajunkie a.k.a. "Lord Haw Haw". Jones's game is a little more sophisticated in that it involves manipulating emotional response through the manner in which he presents information. One of the disturbing memes seems to be "all is lost" despite his spoken words to the contrary.
Have you noticed one of the changes in his program over the last few months (about 6 to 8 months)? He has stopped pushing or promoting active resistance groups such as "We Are Change". It was a pretty stark change like someone flipped a switch. When Luke Rudkowski was recently arrested at a press conference merely for being there he had to give it some coverage but it was relatively minimal.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-05-17 10:10:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)
Have you noticed one of the changes in his program over the last few months (about 6 to 8 months)? He has stopped pushing or promoting active resistance groups such as "We Are Change". It was a pretty stark change like someone flipped a switch. When Luke Rudkowski was recently arrested at a press conference merely for being there he had to give it some coverage but it was relatively minimal.

No, I didnt notice that. But I wasn't a regular listener. I caught him on Coast to Coast AM with Noorey and listened to a few audio files, and that was about it. It's his websites that I focus on as well as the 'tube and audio clips posted here.
I agree with you about limbaugh, I thought the same things. My final straw was when I heard hime with my own ears excuse the torture at Abu Ghraib as being like college pranks. He was on the way out, but that was the end of me listening to him.
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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
PSUSA posted on 2009-05-17 12:16:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Original_Intent (#15)
thanks.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2009-05-18 3:53:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Original_Intent, psusa (#20)
Have you noticed one of the changes in his program over the last few months (about 6 to 8 months)? He has stopped pushing or promoting active resistance groups such as "We Are Change". It was a pretty stark change like someone flipped a switch

I thought of a good analogy yesterday. never in a million years would i have imagined jones website forums becoming like free republic. Today i caught a few minutes of the refeed of his show (via cellphone, the only way i listen) and he was speaking with disdain about political correctness. that was good for a laugh.

his site is policed by what is obviously control-freak jew/zionists just like free republic is, and his 'protoge' is like michael reagan junior. but, don't ya know, when reagan does it he should be fired arrested and scorned, but when alex junior does it,
if anyone dares mention it you're just a jealous troublemaker/infighter. ha ha.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2009-05-18 3:59:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Artisan (#0)
The Title about sums it up. Some people have a hitler like obsessin with the jews. They blame them for everything including when they are on the toilet and forgot to buy that roll of toilet paper. Those people have lost all credability in most peoples eyes. The Jews are a peace loving people forced into war by militant Muslims. We have a muslim problem that needs to be extinguished.

Old Friend posted on 2009-05-18 7:37:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Artisan (#23)
his site is policed by what is obviously control-freak jew/zionists

You just lost a lot of credability. Your Jews are the root of all evil routine is growing tiresome.

Old Friend posted on 2009-05-18 7:38:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: PSUSA (#12)
If they have a big problem with saying "I dont know", that is a red flag for me. As is the inability to say "I was wrong" and "I'm sorry" when it should be said. Another one is saying things rapid-fire and give no one a chance to check any of it out. Another one is saying totally stupid off-the-wall blatant bullshit.
But they seem to do a very good job of exposing themselves. It just takes time.

Yeah your exposing yourself alright. Mr Government disinfo agent. Jones is a good source. You are a distraction.

Old Friend posted on 2009-05-18 7:40:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Old Friend (#24)
The Jews are a peace loving people forced into war by militant Muslims.

The scary thing is, you're NOT being sarcastic.
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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.
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PSUSA posted on 2009-05-18 7:41:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: PSUSA (#27)
The scary thing is, you're NOT being sarcastic.

Government agents should be afraid. Very afraid. We outnumber you guys.

Old Friend posted on 2009-05-18 7:42:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Old Friend (#26)
Yeah your exposing yourself alright. Mr Government disinfo agent. Jones is a good source. You are a distraction.

You so silly.
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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
PSUSA posted on 2009-05-18 7:44:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Old Friend (#24)
We have a muslim problem that needs to be extinguished.

Spoken like true christian dispensationlist ....talk about being a hypocrite

robnoel posted on 2009-05-18 7:47:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Old Friend (#28)
We outnumber you guys.

If I was a Mr. Secret Agent Man, wouldn't I constantly echo the party line? You know, like YOU DO??? Would I aid and abet exposing what our beloved leaders are up to?
You really are funny. Funny as in "odd", not "ha-ha" funny.
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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
PSUSA posted on 2009-05-18 7:48:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: PSUSA (#31)
wouldn't I constantly echo the party line? You know, like YOU DO?

Now you sound like a retard. I support the party line? Ha Ha. The "party" supports throwing the UN out of our country and getting rid of NAFTA and GATT? When did that happen Secret agent man?
When did the party start wanting to close the border and send the foreigners packing? I must have missed that one too.
I must have also missed where that party wants to execute tha abortion murderers.
Now you on the other hand just say Jew Jew Jew like some broken record of Hitlers. Get a life secret agenet man.

Old Friend posted on 2009-05-18 14:17:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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