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Title: Are Police Sent by God?
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URL Source: http://romans13.embassyofheaven.com/arepolicesentbygod.htm
Published: May 29, 2009
Author: Embassy of Heaven God's Government on Ea
Post Date: 2009-05-29 08:43:55 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
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Are Police Sent by God? Throughout history, oppressive regimes have tried to suppress or outlaw the Bible. In the "land of the free," the adversary is more devious. Bible paraphrases change the Truth of God into lies to support the State's agenda. (See Romans 1:25) The words chosen are not Bible words, they are statists' words. The changes are subtle, but the effects are dramatic. For instance, in the Living Bible paraphrase of Romans 13, we are told that if we refuse to obey the "law of the land," we are refusing to obey God. This is just another clever means of persuading Christians to take up citizenship with the kingdoms of the world. The Living Bible paraphrase also says "the policeman is sent by God to help you." Is this job of "policeman" created by and for Jesus Christ, or was it created for "other purposes?" A policeman is a mere man, but he must conform himself to the office of policeman. It is a role similar to acting in a play. A playwright creates the role and determines how a particular character will act. The State creates the role of a policeman and determines what type of behavior he is going to have, what uniform he will wear, and what laws he will enforce. Whoever takes the role of policeman, must perform the particular job as specified. Otherwise, he's fired. It does not matter what his moral convictions are. His office dictates his behavior. Our job is to determine whether the policeman truly is sent by God, or whether he is a stranger. A stranger we are not to follow. We are to flee from him (John 10:5). The King James Bible talks about "a minister of God" (Romans 13:4) who praises that which is good and executes wrath upon him that does evil. The police see themselves as an avenger of evildoers. Yet look at the evil acts the police themselves commit, both in Biblical times and today. Before we examine whether or not Romans 13 is referring to modern-day police, let's first look at the role of the police during the first century. Then we can see what roles the modern day police are playing and whether they are the "ministers of God" referred to in Romans 13. A study of the atrocities committed by the police in the Bible would be as painful as it is dramatic. Examining just the New Testament, here is a list of crimes committed by the police. Police Crimes in Gospels 1. The massacre of the children (Matthew 2:16). Admittedly, most of these crimes were committed by the police on the orders of the king, the governor, or the Sanhedrin. But the fact remains: the police referred to in the New Testament are often involved in carrying out very evil deeds. Observe the role the temple police and Pilate's police played in the crucifixion. In the New Testament the police contribute more often to disorder than to order. Above all, it was the police who participated in the major disorder of all time - the execution of the Son of God. Police Crimes in Book of Acts 1. The double imprisonment of the apostles (Acts 4:3; 5:26). The book of Acts records the Apostles "going against the decrees of Caesar" (Acts 17:6-8) and being cast in prison. They were certainly not "obeying the civil authorities." Apostle Paul, the author of Romans 13, was imprisoned numerous times for going against the Roman State. Paul was even scourged and beheaded by the civil authorities. Was the Roman centurion who scourged and beheaded Apostle Paul the "minister of God" sent for our good, as referenced in Romans 13:4? Apostle Paul said rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Certainly, then, Paul must have been doing evil and the rulers did not use the sword in vain against him? Or was Apostle Paul speaking in Romans 13 about different rulers and powers, separate from the secular authorities? Modern Day Police It appears the police of today are performing the same duties the Roman police performed almost 2,000 years ago. The City and State authorities today get disturbed when we say there is another king, one named Jesus (Acts 17:7). They send out their police to arrest us because we are going against their decrees. They cast us in prison for obeying God, rather than men, just as the Roman police did to the apostles (Acts 5:29). In Marion County Jail, one of the guards mockingly said to Abraham, "Oh, we don't want to hurt one of His little ones." Another policeman told him, "We've been sent by God to punish those who do not obey the civil authorities." Police officers not only do the "dirty work" for secular authorities, they also mock us and our King. They seem to be repeating the same atrocities that the first century police committed. Their job descriptions were written long before they were even born. We are not wrestling with men. We are wrestling with the office. (Ephesians 6:12) In reality, the police then, and now, are not carrying the torch of God. They are carrying the torch of their own bellies, their own interests, not the interest of God. And they are using force to get their own way, destroying the prophets who are carrying the message of Christ. Much can be written on the subject of psychological warfare, beatings, imprisonment and other tactics used by police - both in the first century and now. In a sense, and to a lesser or greater degree, the police in every nation continue to crucify Jesus Christ. We conclude that Paul in Romans 13 is not referring to the civil authorities as the police of today would like us to believe. Both the Roman guard who beheaded Apostle Paul and the police of today punish those who do good, while they themselves do evil. In reality, we believe Apostle Paul is referring to the fact that all of us, including the Roman guard and the police of today, are subject unto the higher powers, the heavenly ones, "for there is no power but of God." In Romans 13, Paul is instructing us to be subject unto these heavenly powers. The Compton's Encyclopedia says under Police: "Police patrol the streets day and night looking for trouble." That sounds like the Book of Job, Chapter 1 verses 6 and 7: "One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, Satan also came among them. And the Lord said to Satan, 'Whence do you come?' Then Satan answered the Lord and said, 'From roaming the earth and patrolling it.'" (NAB translation) It sounds like police are not sent by God, but by Satan. Poster Comment: [Apologies to the few and far-between good cops] Feds Train Clergy To "Quell Dissent" During Martial Law http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=59463 *** The Two Minute Rebuttal to Romans 13 http://romans13.embassyofheaven.com/2minute.htm
2. The execution of John the Baptist (Matthew 14:10).
3. The slaughter of the Galileans (Luke 13:1).
4. The arrest of Jesus (Matthew 26:50).
5. The striking of Jesus by an officer (John 18:22).
6. The mocking of Jesus - dressing Him in scarlet robe and crown of thorns, spitting and striking Him on the Head (Matthew 27:28-30).
7. The crucifixion (Matthew 27:35-37). 
2. Their scourging without definite offense being charged against them (Acts 5:40).
3. The beheading of James and arbitrary arrest of Peter (Acts 12:2-3).
4. The scourging (without judgment) of Paul and Silas (Acts 16:19-24).
5. The beating of Paul (Acts 21:32).
6. The binding of Paul so that he could be examined by scourging (Acts 22:24).
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#1. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)
Oh for fucks sake... What simpleminded moron can ever believe that. [Apologies to the few and far-between good cops] Fuck them. There are no good cops. .
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to some SATAN is a god
should be taken in context and it should be noted that civil disobedience was practiced by God's people when what they were commanded to do was a sin against God. The stories of Shadrach, Meschach and Abednego (Daniel, 3:12-3:30) and Daniel (chapter 6, verses 10-28) are good examples.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. . IndieTX?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
If todays interpretation (and APPLICATION) of Rom 13 is accurate, then Christ sinned when He kicked out the moneychangers from the temple, or gave the religious "rulers" a hard time when they had the gall to question Him on anything, or refused to answer Pilates' questions, or any other examples out there. .
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He is no longer a cop, right?
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Oh for fucks sake... What simpleminded moron can ever believe that. A conservative radio talk-show host. You know, the local host who never tires of spouting "THE THIN BLUE LINE!!" and villifying callers who point out the cruelty of modern-day Rome (D.C.) and its' agents (the BATFE/FBI/DEA).
_________________________________________________________________________ Yes, context is missing in most of the current versions (or "perversions" as a preacher friend called them).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. right, and I started to say "former" cop, but where there is one, couldn't there be two?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
lol. yes, that is true....the battle of the ages Gen. 3:15.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
should be taken in context and it should be noted that civil disobedience was practiced by God's people when what they were commanded to do was a sin against God. The stories of Shadrach, Meschach and Abednego (Daniel, 3:12-3:30) and Daniel (chapter 6, verses 10-28) are good examples. excellent point.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
He sends fires, floods, plagues of toads... why not police? He probably also sends mulatto presidents.
Just substitute the word "entropy" wherever liberals write "diversity" and everything makes sense.
FWIW, I have no problems with cops that see the light. That includes the former cops here, and I am of like mind with them on most everything not even related to law "enforcement". Let's say a pig does something brave. They have acted with bravery before. Well good for them, they did their job, let's all pitch in and send him a cookie. But then there are the not-so-brave things he does. ,
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wow...that's a good point too! I never thought of it that way! thanks!
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Thank you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He probably also sends mulatto presidents. I see your point as well. Sometimes He sends the above to chasten His people and bring them back to Him. See http://kingjbible.com/ezekiel/20.htm verses 33-38 / bible.cc/isaiah/10-20.htm , which is where we are now. Sometimes He sends them to make a show of them: bible.cc/ezekiel/38-16.htm , which is also where we are now. I think we could look at it all like this: He is blasting us between the eyes with the results of rejecting Him to rule over us: 6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. 7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. 8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee. 9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and show them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. 10 And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king. 11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. 12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots. 13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers. 14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. 15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. 16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. 17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants. ... http://kingjbible.com/1_samuel/8.htm ======================== edit: Sometimes He sends the above to chasten His people and bring them back to Him. ...or maybe it would be more accurate to say He sends and/or allows the above, knowing when He steps back, Satan will fill the void: "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
You're welcome. The scripture you quoted above is the proof that you should be real careful what you ask for, and demand. Read how some of those kings were written about and there were very few good kings. That was a hard learned lesson for them. Sometimes He sends the above to chasten His people and bring them back to Him. ...or maybe it would be more accurate to say He sends and/or allows the above, knowing when He steps back, Satan will fill the void: I agree with your first point, and IMO you can include Satan in that. 1 Cor 1:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? It's the destruction of the flesh, not spirit. 2 Cor 12:. 7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. Given by who? Or is it "whom"? I never get that right... .
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I think the same could be said for us. We have had very few good "kings" [presidents] as well....yet people keep voting for them thinking it will get better. On the latter, I guess I was missing the point. While looking up the scripture, I ran across this: What Is the Meaning of, “Destruction of the Flesh,” in 1 Corinthians 5:5? http://www.christiancourier.com/...lesh-in-1-corinthians-5-5 Given by who? Or is it "whom"? I never get that right... I think it's whom, but I am OBVIOUSLY not a stickler for that as I once was. In Paul's case, my guess is it came from God: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. bible.cc/hebrews/12-6.htm lol...maybe that's why the poor get poorer and the rich get richer.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
lol...maybe that's why the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. I think you're right. And it also puts to rest the idea that the majority has that being a Christian is a cakewalk and it's all cookies and icecream from then on, just send in your $100 "seed" and you will also be rich beyond your wildest dreams... It's a temporary thing. Being poor sucks, from a temporal perspective. Just because something is temporary doesn't mean it's pleasant to go through though. The atheists usually argue that this is just an excuse that TPTB use to keep people down. It isn't, but they don't know that. .
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The atheists usually argue that this is just an excuse that TPTB use to keep people down. It isn't, but they don't know that. yeah, "I'm poor because God loves me" wouldn't make sense to an atheist [or a Pat Robertson either, for that matter]. -------------------- 1 Sam. 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them. James 2:5 Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Money is the CAT 245 excavator to digging yourself a spiritual hole while being poor is more on the line of the hand spade...
Bring on the Depression. Bring it the F*** ON! If digging ditches and eating beans for a few years is what it takes for me to see some worthless sacks of crap bankers and politicians living in sack cloth and being spat upon by my fellow Americans well... where's my shovel?!?!
Are Police Sent by God?
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#2. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)
#3. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)
Romans 13
Lord Acton
#4. To: PSUSA (#1)
There are no good cops.
#5. To: James Deffenbach, All (#3)
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#6. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)
IndieTX?
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#7. To: PSUSA (#1)
Are Police Sent by God?
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#8. To: PSUSA (#5)
If todays interpretation (and APPLICATION) of Rom 13 is accurate, then Christ sinned when He kicked out the moneychangers from the temple, or gave the religious "rulers" a hard time when they had the gall to question Him on anything, or refused to answer Pilates' questions, or any other examples out there.
Lord Acton
#9. To: PSUSA (#6)
#10. To: Itistoolate (#2)
to some SATAN is a god
#11. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
Romans 13
#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)
#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#14. To: PSUSA (#5)
If todays interpretation (and APPLICATION) of Rom 13 is accurate, then Christ sinned when He kicked out the moneychangers from the temple, or gave the religious "rulers" a hard time when they had the gall to question Him on anything, or refused to answer Pilates' questions, or any other examples out there.
#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)
excellent point.
Lord Acton
#16. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#12)
(Edited)
He sends fires, floods, plagues of toads... why not police?
#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#16)
wow...that's a good point too! I never thought of it that way! thanks!
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#18. To: PSUSA (#17)
Read how some of those kings were written about and there were very few good kings. That was a hard learned lesson for them
#19. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#18)
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. bible.cc/hebrews/12-6.htm
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#20. To: PSUSA (#19)
(Edited)
#21. To: PSUSA (#19)
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