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Title: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS BRITISH CITIZEN AT BIRTH - AS SUCH OBAMA IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF US (a clear explanation of the issue)
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URL Source: http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/article/29871.html
Published: Jul 18, 2009
Author: nbc
Post Date: 2009-07-18 16:20:47 by bluegrass
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Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President. The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens". Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; That's it right there. (Emphasis added.) The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn't want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of. The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as "natural born Citizens", so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation. But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted. The Framers distinguished between "natural born Citizens" and all other "Citizens". And that's why it's important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of "Citizen", not "natural born Citizen". The Framers were Citizens, but they weren't natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document. Since the the Framers didn't consider themselves to have been "natural born Citizens" due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a "natural born Citizen" of the United States. Barack Obama's official web site, Fight The Smears, admits he was a British Citizen at birth. At the very bottom of the section of his web site that shows an alleged official Certification Of Live Birth, the web site lists the following information and link thereto: “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children. Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” That is a direct admission Barack Obama was a British citizen "at birth". My law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship "at birth" and therefore split loyalties "at birth", he is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States. A "natural born citizen" would have no other jurisdiction over him "at birth" other than that of the United States. The Framers chose the words "natural born" and those words cannot be ignored. The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, "natural born citizen", pertains to the status of the person's citizenship "at birth". The other numerous law suits circling Obama to question his eligibility fail to hit the mark on this issue. Since Obama was, "at birth", a British citizen, it is completely irrelevant, as to the issue of Constitutional "natural born citizen" status, whether Obama was born in Hawaii or abroad. Either way, he is not eligible to be President. Should Obama produce an original birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii, it will not change the fact that Obama was a British citizen "at birth". Obama has admitted to being a British subject "at birth". And as will be made perfectly clear below, his being subject to British jurisdiction "at birth" bars him from being eligible to be President of the United States. As I have argued before the United States Supreme Court, the 14th Amendment does not confer "natural born citizen" status anywhere in its text. It simply states that a person born in the United States is a "Citizen", and only if he is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States: "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." The most overlooked words in that section are: "...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution..." You must recall that most, if not all, of the framers of the Constitution were, at birth, born as British subjects. Stop and think about that. The chosen wording of the Framers here makes it clear that they had drawn a distinction between themselves - persons born subject to British jurisdiction - and "natural born citizens" who would not be born subject to British jurisdiction or any other jurisdiction other than the United States. And so the Framers grandfathered themselves into the Constitution as being eligible to be President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to any person who was a Citizen... at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution. Obama was definitely not a Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and so he is not grandfathered in. And so, for Obama or anybody else to be eligible to be President, they must be a "natural born citizen" of the United States "at birth". It should be obvious that the Framers intended to deny the Presidency to anybody who was a British subject "at birth". If this had not been their intention, then they would not have needed to include a grandfather clause which allowed the Framers themselves to be President. If you click through to Factcheck.org, a more detailed discussion as to why Obama was a British citizen at birth explains the relevant statutes: "When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children: In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.' " The article goes on to state that Obama's British citizenship was transferred to Kenya as Kenya became independent from the UK and that Obama's Kenyan citizenship expired when he turned 21 years old. But none of that is relevant since the Constitution requires that every President be a "natural born citizen". The word "born" is proof positive that the status must be present "at birth". If this were not the case, then, as stated above, the Framers would not have needed to put in a grandfather clause. The Framers recognized that even they were not "natural born citizens" and so they wrote the grandfather clause in to allow any of them to become President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to those who were Citizens at the time of the Constitution's adoption. And so, Barack Obama is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States and neither is John McCain who was born in Panama, and neither is Roger Calero who was born in Nicaragua.
FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship
British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.
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#1. To: bluegrass (#0)
Didn't this mess begin when his own campaign web site posted a COLB that was quickly pulled when questioned?
The COLB was posted because of questions of his natural born citizen status. The Indonesia/Kenya birth questions were put out there by the OZC (Obama-Zionist Complex) in order to muddy the waters about his natural born citizen status. It doesn't matter where Obama was born. Obama isn't a natural born citizen.
But that COLB was pulled, correct?
This issue is all over. Roberts swore the new president in based upon oath to office. In fact, I think it was twice and with a smile and lots of platitudes. If you think an impeachment is about to happen, let me give you some advice: you are fooling yourself.
I think it has more to do with having a Kenyan shoved up our collective asses and then lied to while being called names as we complain. But I understand your feelings toward the color brown.
Oh sure, you want entrap me into some logistical twist of political thought while you are thinking I favor this POTUS. But, no. As always you are dead, wrong. I judt pointed out the facts and you think you can play slime-ball.
You're going to enjoy the next four-to-eight years, I can tell. The issue of US Citizenship as required for various US public offices is decided entirely by US law, not the law of foreign countries, not medieval law, not even by books written in French. Even though the peculiar laws of some foreign country might suggest a concurrent nationality by inheritance, the US law is very clear: Someone born in the US is a natural born US citizen. But, hey, that's just the determination of the US Supreme Court, the US Congress, and the US Dept of Justice. Maybe you know more law than they do.
It wasn't pulled. Worse, the Certification of Live Birth is being touted as a Certificate of Live Birth. Just further proof of the duplicity of Obama in particular and of politicians in general.
I've never mentioned impeachment, for one reason: As Obama isn't actually a constitutional president, he can't be impeached. Personally, I don't care if Obama stays in office or leaves. I just have a small desire to see the truth of the matter come out on the net while we still have the net to use.
That's Roberts' mistake. If you think an impeachment is about to happen, let me give you some advice: you are fooling yourself. Why impeach anybody if they cower?
“The blacks are very vain but in the Negroes’ way, and so talkative that they must be driven apart with thrashings.” -- Immanuel Kant “I’m apt to suspect the negroes to be naturally inferior to the whites.” -- David Hume Strange comment. Quick question: have you ever taken your head out of your ass and seen whom occupies the White House?
My point is that legally, Obama can't be impeached because he's not a Constitutional, de jure president. He's a de facto president. If you can't keep your comments civil, kindly desist from replying to me.
Usurpers swearing in usurpers...
If he's not a de jure president, he is a de facto president - either way he would have to be impeached (challenged) in the House, and found guilty in a Senate trial to be removed from office.
You can't refute my remarck other than by some simple BS. Do yourself a favor and take some Zanex or some other superior narcotic to arrest your blood pressure. For many of us, we can't tolerate a tool in power. But that doesn't mean we chase back alley trash cans hoping to find some clue that goes nowhere. Get a f**king life.
Usurpers are removed. Presidents are impeached. Capiche?
For the last time, desist from commenting to me if you can't keep it civil. I'll just ignore you from now on if you have a difficult time controlling yourself.
Whom has cowered? Obama? Roberts? Whom?
You post gibberish and then take your comment to the authorities on this chit-chat channel. You are full of shit. Take your head out of your ass.
Certainly if that's true there must be a law that backs up your claim, perhaps you would quote it?
the reality is that george w bush was truthful when he stated, "the constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper." with each successive white house occupier, that sentiment is flaunted and proven more. it's tragic for america that that is accepted and, worse, excused by sycophantic partisans.
It's called the US Constitution: "In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected." If the US Congress ever caught up to reality and found the usurper to be just that, an usurper, then Obama would have an "inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office" and then "Congress may by law provide for the case of removal". Read the Constitution much?
In an era when patriot scholars are called 'extremists' by the Feds, we can expect worse in the future.
Constitution? Obama was elected! You just can't get over it. You are a sad loser about EVERYTHING, loser. And I voted for Ron Paul. I placed thousands of my own dollars into his presidential campaign. I am a loser too. But I don't sit around bulls**tting about Obama as the rightful president. Go f**k yourself.
I actually will. Regardless of the validity of the Obama "was he or wasn't he" claim, nothing will be done for two reasons; 1) the elite ignore the rules we live by and 2) He's black and the GLOBE will riot if it's proven He's a fraud. I believe He is, but that said, I'll sit back and watch the collapse of AmeriKa as He buries us with his brand of Ziosocialism.
com'on...you can debate and argue your position without the invectives, can't you, gracie?
That's buck. And you know how he is, he's probably doing the best he can (sad as that is).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The challenger, Mr. bluegrass begged to help him out. So why are you asking me to help him? I already gave the incredible shrinking brain my personal advice.
Patience...
“The blacks are very vain but in the Negroes’ way, and so talkative that they must be driven apart with thrashings.” -- Immanuel Kant “I’m apt to suspect the negroes to be naturally inferior to the whites.” -- David Hume I had a special night stick for incorrigible drunks. Let me know if you need it :P
Well stated. Perhaps I was over zealous. I haven't intimidated anyone and certainly Mr. bluegrass and if he has some far off chance considered myself as a worthy poster, he should know I am frank about considerations. Nor have I created much more than an especial intellectual discussion upon his own thread, wherein he is obviously defensive in nature.
travelled 'round the world, and back again
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. I betcha he never had a black lady wrap her thighs around his neck. Then again he likes Sunday chicken.
I'd rather be captured by the Taliban and beheaded.
What? No celebration about our nation? Don't you know what makes for good country cooking?
I decrease my food intake on weekends, while substantially increasing my fluid intake.
What do Matthis Chiroux, Victor Agosto and Stefen Cook all have in common? They all made headlines for refusing to deploy. The difference? The same people claiming that Cook should be prosecuted applauded Chiroux, Agosto, and others who refused to serve. The difference is that Bush isn't POTUS anymore and the posters want the military to function now that O'Bongo is CIC.
One of the benefits of my dialog with you, Mr. Tull is your continuous suksess about life. I recognized it is not all your fault. And you need not comment, either. Still, I wonder how a coward such as yourself begs America for graft and scrutiny while you never did anything other than a desk job.
I owe my success to Brooklyn street smarts, Bucky. I always seemed to end up on my feet, with my wallet full. It takes a special talent, one that oafs such as yourself could never master. But do continue doing whatever it is you do. Your weekend antics are amusing.
So you are akin to some stinkin' cat in the alley?
no, more like a guy who hit the powerball and refuses to share.
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#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
#3. To: bluegrass (#2)
#4. To: bluegrass (#0)
#5. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#4)
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
#9. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#4)
#10. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#4)
This issue is all over. Roberts swore the new president in based upon oath to office. In fact, I think it was twice and with a smile and lots of platitudes.
#11. To: bluegrass (#9)
As Obama isn't actually a constitutional president, he can't be impeached.
#12. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#11)
#13. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#10)
That's Roberts' mistake.
#14. To: bluegrass (#12)
My point is that legally, Obama can't be impeached because he's not a Constitutional, de jure president.
#15. To: bluegrass (#12)
#16. To: lucysmom (#14)
#17. To: grace_is_by_our_lord, christine (#15)
#18. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#10)
Why impeach anybody if they cower?
#19. To: bluegrass (#17)
#20. To: bluegrass (#16)
Usurpers are removed. Presidents are impeached.
#21. To: Shoonra, bluegrass, Jethro Tull (#7)
#22. To: lucysmom (#20)
#23. To: christine (#21)
it's tragic for america that that is accepted and, worse, excused by sycophantic partisans.
#24. To: bluegrass (#22)
Read the Constitution much?
#25. To: Shoonra (#7)
You're going to enjoy the next four-to-eight years, I can tell.
#26. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#24)
Go f**k yourself.
#27. To: christine, buckeroo (#26)
com'on...you can debate and argue your position without the invectives, can't you, gracie?
Lord Acton
#28. To: christine (#26)
#29. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#18)
#30. To: James Deffenbach (#27)
#31. To: Prefrontal Vortex, bluegrass (#29)
Patience...
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#30)
I had a special night stick for incorrigible drunks. Let me know if you need it
Your heart is true you're a pal and a confidante
#33. To: Dakmar, Jethro Tull (#32)
#34. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#33)
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
#36. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#35)
#37. To: bluegrass, leftist O'Bama lap pigs (#0)
#38. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
#39. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#38)
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
I always seemed to end up on my feet
#41. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#40)
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