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Title: 9/12 Rally
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Published: Sep 9, 2009
Author: SonOfLiberty
Post Date: 2009-09-09 09:14:08 by SonOfLiberty
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Keywords: rally, libertarian, 9/12
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I'm thinking about heading over to the cesspool we call our nation's capitol for the 9/12 anti-government rally. As I understand it from local reports, there are fleets of buses heading out of Ohio for it, so I assume other states will have similar levels of participation.
Is anybody else here planning on attending? The local (Ohio) events have been no end of a good time, and it's a great chance to see that others against overwhelming government are normal, decent people and not the kooks the MSM are insistent on making us out to be. Plus, hey, it gets your voice into the debate, and lets you participate against this boondogle of a socialist push instead of just griping about it on the internet. Subscribe to *libertarians*
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#1. To: SonOfLiberty (#0)
I'd go if I was closer to the District.
Report back if you attend.

TooConservative posted on 2009-09-09 9:56:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: SonOfLiberty, Freedomsnotfree (#0)
i think fnf is going.

christine posted on 2009-09-09 10:28:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: christine. all. (#2)
Link for tea parties across the country -

teapartypatriots.org/
Iran Truth Now!
Lod posted on 2009-09-09 10:37:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: SonOfLiberty (#0)
What is the significance of picking 9/12?

Rhino369 posted on 2009-09-09 10:41:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Rhino369 (#4)
If I understand the reasoning correctly, it's because 9/12 was the day when the nation showed true unity and put politics aside for the better of the nation as a whole. Which would be pretty fitting, when confronting this cabal of socialist thugs intent on strapping us to the table.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-09-09 10:55:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: SonOfLiberty (#5)
If I understand the reasoning correctly, it's because 9/12 was the day when the nation showed true unity and put politics aside for the better of the nation as a whole. Which would be pretty fitting, when confronting this cabal of socialist thugs intent on strapping us to the table.

I figured it was going to be fascist propaganda. I guess its not really worse than commie propaganda from demcrats but its still depressing.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-09-09 11:37:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Rhino369 (#6)
No, why would it be fascist propaganda? It's the democrats who are in fact currently handling fascist propaganda (and socialist variants on the theme). This is essentially just what other rallies have been, writ large. That is, decent, normal people, the majority formerly politically apathetic, worried about where things are heading.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-09-09 11:40:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: SonOfLiberty (#7)
No, why would it be fascist propaganda?

An appeal to anger, fear, militarism, and nationalism by referencing 9-11. Its pathetic really. These parties are being pushed by republicans like Glenn Beck. That should show you whose interests are being furthered.
Its republicans finding a way to drain public outrage for their own personal gain.
“There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on, shame on you. Fool me, you can’t get fooled again.” —President George W. Bush

Rhino369 posted on 2009-09-09 11:48:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: Rhino369 (#8)
Its republicans finding a way to drain public outrage for their own personal gain.

Finding a way huh. It appears as though perhaps the people are just sick of the same ol s%#t. Perhaps they realize they have been sitting on their rears for to long.
Repubs may be exploiting it, but the outrage is real! Then again perhaps the people are using all the attention to help further their cause.
Nah, never mind, can't be.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
phantom patriot posted on 2009-09-09 12:16:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Rhino369 (#8)
Well, there's a need to be angry, and a genuine fear of fascism/socialism is always justified. Ask any East German who climbed the fences. Nationalism was simply "let's put aside party politics", which is a bit different than "America Uber Alles". Where you get militarism, I just don't know.
If you haven't been to one of these, I'm not certain that your MSM crafted view can be taken seriously. Every one I've attended has had decent people at them, who were fighting mad at both Republicans and Democrats and said so openly. If you think this is some kind of "republican" thing, then you're sorely misinformed.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-09-09 12:19:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: phantom patriot (#9)

Finding a way huh. It appears as though perhaps the people are just sick of the same ol s%#t. Perhaps they realize they have been sitting on their rears for to long.

Yea right, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and all the Freepers, suddenly see the light, except they won't admit they were wrong for the last 9 years of Bush? Stop your wishful thinking.

Repubs may be exploiting it, but the outrage is real!

Most of the outrage is just republican outrage at democrats, at society, at whatever they don't like. They aren't serious, they aren't smart, and they will elect statist republicans, who will change nothing.
There is a portion of them who are legit, these people grouped around Ron Paul last year. They are only a tiny portion.
Want to test this out. Go to a Rally saying, end the war on drugs, and end the war on terrorism. See how fast they call you a communist.

Nah, never mind, can't be.

No it can't be. Its republican astroturfing over the campaign for liberty grass roots.
No way did Fox News have an epiphany that freedom after all is really a good idea.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-09-09 13:05:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: SonOfLiberty (#10)
If you think this is some kind of "republican" thing, then you're sorely misinformed.

Just look at who is organizing a large portion of these tax protests. You find republican PACs behind them.
Some are legit, but most of this stuff if whipping up support for republicans.
Just watch. I won't need to tell you that I told you so.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-09-09 13:08:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Rhino369 (#12)
Just look at who is organizing a large portion of these tax protests. You find republican PACs behind them.
Some are legit, but most of this stuff if whipping up support for republicans.

They even admit they stole the idea from the Ron Paul campaign.

mininggold posted on 2009-09-09 13:12:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Rhino369 (#11)

Yea right, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and all the Freepers, suddenly see the light, except they won't admit they were wrong for the last 9 years of Bush? Stop your wishful thinking.
Glenn was critical of Bush as well.
Most of the outrage is just republican outrage at democrats, at society, at whatever they don't like. They aren't serious, they aren't smart, and they will elect statist republicans, who will change nothing.
I can't say I disagree with that. Just not part of it.
Want to test this out. Go to a Rally saying, end the war on drugs, and end the war on terrorism. See how fast they call you a communist.
Yes! This is the troubling part to me. Self proclaimed patriots for their own purposes.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
phantom patriot posted on 2009-09-09 13:32:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: phantom patriot. all (#14)
To me, this hellthcare abortion cuts across all party lines, as it should, because it will affect each and every on of us.
Iran Truth Now!
Lod posted on 2009-09-09 13:40:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Lod (#15)
To me, this hellthcare abortion cuts across all party lines, as it should, because it will affect each and every on of us.

Agreed! The solution for me is simple. They either give us what they have, or accept what they wish to give us.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
phantom patriot posted on 2009-09-09 13:45:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: christine (#2)
i think fnf is going

I'll be there...leaving this area @ 5AM. We have 3 buses full!

Freedomsnotfree posted on 2009-09-09 13:49:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Freedomsnotfree (#17)
We have 3 buses full!
Have a ball, and give'em hell!
Iran Truth Now!
Lod posted on 2009-09-09 13:54:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Rhino369 (#12)
The rallies we've had here in central Ohio were organized by a college sophomore who had some spare time.
Most of it is legit. There may be some Republicans wanting to tag along (politicians) but they're being booed.
Have you actually every BEEN to one? Serious question.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-09-09 13:59:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: Lod (#18)
3 buses

FedGov probably allready has plans to confiscate those buses to "abduct" many to the interment camps during and after the 9-12 rally.

sizzlerguy posted on 2009-09-09 14:00:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Rhino369 (#11)
Want to test this out. Go to a Rally saying, end the war on drugs, and end the war on terrorism. See how fast they call you a communist.

I saw plenty of anti-wod and anti-homeland security/TSA/Patriot Act signs at the last one I was at. Also saw lots of "Who is John Galt", lots of Ron Paul support signs, lots of Jefferson references/quotes/pictures.
Its republican astroturfing over the campaign for liberty grass roots.
That's a word I hadn't heard until DNC operatives started throwing it about recently. Odd that you use it.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-09-09 14:01:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: SonOfLiberty (#21)
Odd that you use it.

HMMMMMMMMMMM!
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
phantom patriot posted on 2009-09-09 14:09:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Freedomsnotfree (#17)
excellent. we expect a report. ;)

christine posted on 2009-09-09 14:20:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: SonOfLiberty (#5)
If I understand the reasoning correctly, it's because 9/12 was the day when the nation showed true unity

Some of us who had already heard Alex Jones in July 2001 predict the coming "false flag" terror attack with at least the "let it happen on purpose" involvement of our own government did NOT unite with you that day.
I was calling "inside job" by sundown of 9/11 and most everyone who heard me thought I was nuts. I never viewed Cheney or Bush as anything other than garden-variety criminals. My view hasn't changed. They bankrupted the country because of its "unity" on 9/12 and for several years thereafter.
I remember telling the disbelieving people around me in the months after 9/11 that "America is over" and "the country is committing suicide" and "the Americans have gone into a collective mass psychosis." I need not retract of any these statements. We are now in the aftermath of the collapse of the empire, which will go on for decades. The "good times" really ARE over for good, to quote the old Merle Haggard song from the Seventies.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Sam Houston posted on 2009-09-09 14:36:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Sam Houston (#24) (Edited)
Your conspiracy theory to the side, that kind of thinking didn't emerge until long after 9/12/2001. The idea is to capture the American spirit a bit, rekindle faith in our fellow man. Or so I'm told. Alex Jones has always had a new Prediction O' Doom to float every couple of weeks. If you do that enough times, you're bound to be right every now and then.
If you think the empire is over, I direct you towards the history of Rome. We're just at the beginning, waiting for some brash, handsome young general to "take it to" the failing elected public servants, getting public support, and then installing himself as dictator.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-09-09 14:39:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: SonOfLiberty (#25)
I would disagree to the extent that information is nearly instantaneous today.
We don't have to wait for runners to bring us the news from far away places.
Also, we have no brash young generals (that I've heard of), only office-bound, knob-polisher types.
Who knows what will happen, or when?
Iran Truth Now!
Lod posted on 2009-09-09 17:54:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Lod, christine (#18)
Thanks guys...should be a really good turn-out. I'll give you a report when I return.

Freedomsnotfree posted on 2009-09-10 9:35:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: SonOfLiberty (#21) (Edited)

That's a word I hadn't heard until DNC operatives started throwing it about recently. Odd that you use it.

I think I've heard it before the past few months, but can't be sure. Either way its a cool term that describes the situation perfectly. If you think that makes me a democratic operative, that just makes you paranoid.
But if the DNC wants to send me some money I'm game, I never turn down free money.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-09-10 10:12:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Rhino369 (#28)
If you think it describes the situation perfectly, then I can assume you've actually attended tea parties and other rallies in this vein recently? Right?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-09-10 10:14:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: SonOfLiberty (#29) (Edited)
I went to the first round one in Chicago. The ones on tax day. Most people there were republicans. Though a sizable group were Ron Paul supporters (who of course are legit).

Rhino369 posted on 2009-09-10 10:35:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Rhino369 (#30)
How would you know that they were Republicans, actually? Ok, if they all had on Dubya shirts, or were holding up "Republicans rock" and similar signs, sure. Otherwise, that's a bit of an assumption isn't it?
The ones in central Ohio have by and large been average regular people of no particular political persuasion. Of course there are some Republicans, and some Libertarians and some Democrats (as defined by the shirt/sign thing above), most seemed to boo Republicans as loudly as they were booing Democrats/Obama.
Seems to me that it's not quite as pat as the MSM would have us believe with their "astroturf" smear.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-09-10 10:39:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: SonOfLiberty (#31)
How would you know that they were Republicans, actually? Ok, if they all had on Dubya shirts, or were holding up "Republicans rock" and similar signs, sure. Otherwise, that's a bit of an assumption isn't it?

I was talking to some of them. Most of them thought socialism was thought up the minute Obama won the election.

Seems to me that it's not quite as pat as the MSM would have us believe with their "astroturf" smear.

These tea parties are being organized and funded by mainstream republican political organizations like FreedomWorks, and Americans for Prosperity. They were being advertised by Fox News, and other mainstream conservatives.
Its being use to whip up hatred of democrats to elect republicans.
Its very possible the ones in small towns are different than the big ones in cities, as the small town ones are probably more likely to be locally planned. But the big city ones are about pretending the republicans are small government.
The reason I know these people aren't seriously small government? They didn't vote for small government candidates in 2008. Over 99% of the population voted large government in the general election and almost that many voted large government in the primaries.
The only things that changed is the republican base freaked the fuck out after they lost, and are now angry. But they haven't learned a dam thing. Watch what happens, in 2012, they will rally around a Bush like figure, maybe even Palin.
If you want a small sample of this behavior, go over to FreeRepublic.com. Before the election these guys were big government statists. Now that their team lost, they are suddenly small gov, and pro freedom. But they still don't repudiate their past.
If the population was saying, "what have we done, we've demanded tyranny for decades, we got to change." I'd believe the conversion was real. The real story is more like, "Obama is coming for us, please bring back the republicans."
Just a bunch of ignorant proles. Democracy is overrated.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-09-10 10:51:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: Rhino369 (#32)
Columbus is the capitol city of Ohio. It's not a "small town".
It's amazing what you've been led to believe. I don't deny that Republicans are trying hard to attach themselves to this. I suspect however that they're hearing themselves being booed, loud and clear.
It's not "republicans are mad that they lost" on the whole.
The turncoats of course, that you mention, are soundly rejected as the idiots that they are, and as far as I'm concerned the Dubya supporters can go to hell if they show up. But, to call the movement as by and large a Republican whine fest is inaccurate at best.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-09-10 10:59:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: SonOfLiberty (#33)
The turncoats of course, that you mention, are soundly rejected as the idiots that they are, and as far as I'm concerned the Dubya supporters can go to hell if they show up. But, to call the movement as by and large a Republican whine fest is inaccurate at best.

I'd bet if you took all the republican turncoats out of the teaparty movement, it would be a small fraction of what it is now.
No use arguing the proof is in the pudding. Lets see what happens in the future. Whether this will just end up election statist republicans, it fails, or it actually accomplishes anything.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-09-10 12:39:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Rhino369 (#34)
I'd bet if you took all the republican turncoats out of the teaparty movement, it would be a small fraction of what it is now

There's no way to know at this point, right now. The last spring however, it was clearly normal grassroots.
No use arguing the proof is in the pudding. Lets see what happens in the future. Whether this will just end up election statist republicans, it fails, or it actually accomplishes anything.
Fair enough.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-09-10 12:53:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Rhino369 (#30)
I went to the first round one in Chicago. The ones on tax day. Most people there were republicans. Though a sizable group were Ron Paul supporters (who of course are legit).

When I went by the last one in my area, quite a few were carrying Huckabee signs. That did it for me. The organizer lives right down the street too and is a good friend.

mininggold posted on 2009-09-10 12:56:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: mininggold (#36)
I'd be flipping those types off if they showed up.
Thus far, they've been a non-issue. I'm quite prepared with my middle finger and "go to hell" verbiage should they percolate out of the woodwork.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-09-10 13:02:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: SonOfLiberty (#0)
I would have loved to attend but it is a bit far for me. If you attend(ed), I hope you had a great time.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-09-12 12:04:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: SonOfLiberty (#5)
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

LOL! Great tagline.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-09-12 12:05:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: SonOfLiberty (#0)
Can I bring a loaded firearm?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-09-12 12:08:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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