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Title: Limbaugh Falls For A Hoax About The President's College Thesis
Source: Salon
URL Source: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/ ... /10/23/obama_thesis/index.html
Published: Oct 24, 2009
Author: Alex Koppelman
Post Date: 2009-10-24 12:45:41 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 19612
Comments: 199

On Friday, it seemed for a moment -- at least to Rush Limbaugh's listeners -- that the right had finally found the smoking gun to prove that President Obama secretly hates the U.S., its founders and even the Constitution.

Limbaugh read his radio audience an excerpt from what he said was Obama's senior thesis, which he wrote while at Columbia University. After more than a year shrouded in secrecy by the Obama campaign and a compliant media, the thesis had finally emerged, and it was even worse than some had feared.

The excerpt read by Limbaugh:

[T]he Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy.

Limbaugh was, naturally, up in arms about this, calling the college-aged Obama a "little boy," and saying, "he still shares those same feelings."

Only not so much. As a bit of basic research would have shown Limbaugh, Obama didn't technically write a thesis at Columbia -- at the time, Columbia didn't really have senior theses -- though he did write a thesis-length paper. But it was on Soviet nuclear disarmament, not the Constitution.

Limbaugh and many others -- including Fox News' FoxNation.com -- fell for a hoax, believing that a post put up by a conservative blogger in August as satire was the truth. Apparently, Pajamas Media's Michael Ledeen was the conduit, as he dug it up and posted it earlier this week, apparently believing it to be true. (Not the first time Ledeen and Pajamas Media have been embarrassed by something he posted -- back in January of 2007, he reported that Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei had died. Khamenei remains alive to this day.) Again, a bit of basic research would have prevented all this, as this isn't the first time conservatives have treated this particular blogger's satire as if it were true.

Limbaugh noted later on in his show that it seemed the excerpts were fake, though he said he didn't care, both because of a series of quotes falsely attributed to him recently and because, "I know Obama thinks it."

Update: Ledeen has put up a post noting that the excerpt is a fake, and that he fell for a satire.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

As a bit of basic research would have shown Limbaugh,

Limbaugh doesn't research anything; he reads what his staff puts in front of his face each day when he stops in the studio on his way to the golf course.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   13:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#1)

I research some things.

Tell me something, has Obama chosen some Maoists and Marxists as czars?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   13:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

I research some things.

Tell me something, has Obama chosen some Maoists and Marxists as czars?

Why not start a new thread on that and I'll consider it?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   13:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#3)

Because Nesters like yourself don't deserve new threads. Answer the question.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   13:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

I'm cracking a beer...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   13:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Rotara (#5)

The leftist d'bags among us have trouble acknowledging that the real distraction isn't what Limbaugh says, but rather what Obama does.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   13:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

The leftist d'bags among us have trouble acknowledging that the real distraction isn't what Limbaugh says, but rather what Obama does.

You are actually rationalizing that windbag's lack of principles, you know.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   13:22:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

But that's their game. Move the ball forward at all costs...intellectual dishonesty is their most glaring characteristic on these boards.

What's in it for them ???

Feh. They're going to get it alright...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   13:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull, Rotara (#6)

The leftist d'bags among us have trouble acknowledging that the real distraction isn't what Limbaugh says, but rather what Obama does.

Precisely. As well we have to consider, because I have a nasty suspicious mind, that the piece was planted with Limbaugh with the intent to help delegitimize questions regarding Oh'bummer. We live in a "PsyOps Rich" environment and it might well have been calculating that the fag behind the EIB golden dildo could spend a little capital and further the PsyOp counter to questions about Oh'bummer's legitimacy. The faithful Dildoeheads will "swallow" anything he puts out, but now this can be used to say "See! See! He just hates our wunnerful wunnerful lying sack of shit marxist plutocratic Preznit".

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   13:41:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Rotara, Jethro Tull (#8)

What's in it for them ???

Feh. They're going to get it alright...

"Democracy is the theory that the common man knows exactly what he wants and deserves to get it good and hard." ~ H. L. Mencken

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   13:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

Answer the question.

When did you become the boss of me?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   13:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#11)

Why did you think 4um was a board for Kommie Traitors ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   13:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#11)

Since when does the simple act of asking a question become a matter of who is being a boss? Given the history of this forum, I'm asking you a legitimate question. Is it that hard to answer, or is it more that you are a partisan and have trouble agreeing that Obama is surrounded by Maoists and Marxists?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   13:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#9)

LOL

what you said


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   13:51:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#10)

"Democracy is the theory that the common man knows exactly what he wants and deserves to get it good and hard." ~ H. L. Mencken

Pure Democracy is two wolves and one sheep taking a vote on what to eat for dinner.

Our nation is NOT a Democracy; it IS a Representative Republic (that's been bought off by wicked men to enrich other wicked men - Traitors) which is off the tracks - Thanks to wolves like IDon'tThink...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   13:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent (#9)

Absolutely. Why discuss the socialist millstone being fitted for our necks when what Limbaugh says or doesn't say is news worthy to some flacks? It's no secret BS is an Obama supporter, voter and apologist. It's also no secret that everyone on this forum has dismissed the politics of Limbaugh years ago. So why the article, and why is this particular 'fly' attracted to this 'turd', given his forum of choice is a partisan leftist den?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   13:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#9)

... that the piece was planted with Limbaugh with the intent to help delegitimize questions regarding Oh'bummer.

You mean Mr. Snidley stuffed a shit-bar into Limbaugh's stack-o-stuff? ROTFL

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

Given the history of this forum, I'm asking you a legitimate question. Is it that hard to answer, or is it more that you are a partisan and have trouble agreeing that Obama is surrounded by Maoists and Marxists?

And I said ask it on another thread instead of hijacking this one.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#18)

And I said ask it on another thread instead of hijacking this one.

Why hijack a thread when you can hijack a 4um, right IDon'tThinkMuchofAmerica ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro Tull, all (#11)

Answer the question.

When did you become the boss of me?

Translation: Avoiding the question. Cannot answer the question honestly without destroying his own position.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   14:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rotara (#19)

Why hijack a thread when you can hijack a 4um, right IDon'tThinkMuchofAmerica ?

You got me.

I hijacked this forum.

And here I thought all of the truly stupid people were still at LP.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#18)

And I said ask it on another thread instead of hijacking this one

Don't you fret about threads being hijacked, ok? I'm more concerned with your fellow Obama fellators hijacking the forum.

Still no answer?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:22:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

Absolutely. Why discuss the socialist millstone being fitted for our necks when what Limbaugh says or doesn't say is news worthy to some flacks? It's no secret BS is an Obama supporter, voter and apologist. It's also no secret that everyone on this forum has dismissed the politics of Limbaugh years ago. So why the article, and why is this particular 'fly' attracted to this 'turd', given his forum of choice is a partisan leftist den?

It's news stupid.... so what are you sooooo afraid of? A little historical background so we remember just how we got in this mess..... so as to not make the same mistakes again?

lol You are such a drama queen. Hey you can now be Lord of the Turd flies on this huge chat site. Keep those posters on message!!!!LOLOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-24   14:23:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#21)

Truly stupid people are found at the people's place, DU, freakrepublic and other places. They're found at 4um too...you're here !

We all know what you are; it's just the price that's left.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Don't you fret about threads being hijacked, ok? I'm more concerned with your fellow Obama fellators hijacking the forum.

Still no answer?

You sound just like domer.LOLOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-24   14:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Why should he answer you? You are posing rhetorical and silly questions.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Don't you fret about threads being hijacked, ok? I'm more concerned with your fellow Obama fellators hijacking the forum.

Still no answer?

Well, as long as were asking questions, do you find having a small dick to be a problem?

Answer the question.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#26)

Rhetorical, yes obviously.

But silly ?

These klowns dodge and dodge and obfuscate and misdirect but never admit what they are; what they believe and what that makes them.

silly is butting in here, buck...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#27)

so you're fucking lame...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#27)

you're so fucking lame...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Rotara, Jethro Tull, IDon'tThinkSo, all (#15)

"Democracy is the theory that the common man knows exactly what he wants and deserves to get it good and hard." ~ H. L. Mencken

Pure Democracy is two wolves and one sheep taking a vote on what to eat for dinner.

Our nation is NOT a Democracy; it IS a Representative Republic (that's been bought off by wicked men to enrich other wicked men - Traitors) which is off the tracks - Thanks to wolves like IDon'tThink...

The other part of that quote frequently gets left off - probably because most people have not read the original:

"Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote." ~ Benjamin Franklin ca. 1745

Don't be too hard on poor ol' IDT - he comes from a generation that has been dumbed down, disinformed, misinformed, maniputlated constantly by skools and mediawhores, not informed by omitted history, etc., .... I don't find it surprising to see people drawing false conclusions when they are missing data and believe to be true things that are not. The real problem is breaking through the programming that has been installed and getting them to look and think for themselves rather than regurgitate. Of course some of them are also shills here to disrupt and discredit the forum.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   14:32:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: All (#30)

the defenders of limppills and obamalamadingdong have no defense...defending the indefensible must be harrrrrrrrd.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rotara (#28)

silly is butting in here, buck...

I guess you don't like me pointing out that anyone defending Limbaugh is an impossible position. The traitor is a GOP conspiracist and a clown unworthy of his wealth. He is exactly the image of the flip-side of the Democratic Party .... a pile of liars.

He has no interest in America other than acquiring wealth.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Original_Intent (#31)

"Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote." ~ Benjamin Franklin ca. 1745

Thank you. That's actually my favorite part of the quote...

The real-real problem is they view the Constitution as an impediment to world government...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#27)

Well, as long as were asking questions, do you find having a small dick to be a problem?

Answer the question.

Now is that nice? All I asked is if your hero Obama has appointed Maoists and Marxists to the position of czar (the answer is YES, was that hard?)

I know y'all have trouble being objective when it comes to Him, but man, you've really exposed yourself (no pun intended). Given time, all you leftists do.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Original_Intent (#31)

You sure are able to make a whole pile of nothing out of a single post about Limbaugh getting taken.

How's your palmistry business doing?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent, Jethro Tull (#31)

Don't be too hard on poor ol' IDT - he comes from a generation that has been dumbed down, disinformed, misinformed, maniputlated constantly by skools and mediawhores, not informed by omitted history, etc.

Omitted history is the most important part of your post.

IN this day and age there is NO excuse for people not filling in the obvious blanks on their own, other than...they are too intellectually lazy... AND TOO PROGRAMMED.

I have gotten to the point that when I make a general statement based on history and someone imediately wants confirmation, source or whatever.

I tell them, do your own reasearch, educate yourself. They accept it as the gospel that if they were not taught it at Harvard, then what do I know about it..

Fortunately for them I do not use bad language.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   14:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull (#35)

Now is that nice? All I asked is if your hero Obama

Ah, so now he's my hero.

BTW, I'm sorry that you've got a small dick. On the positive side, it probably goes well with your tiny brain.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Rotara, Jethro Tull, IDon'tThinkSo, all (#34)

"Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote." ~ Benjamin Franklin ca. 1745

Thank you. That's actually my favorite part of the quote...

The real-real problem is they view the Constitution as an impediment to world government...

And that is where their ignorance of history http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/roehm.htmis most telling. They have no idea what happened to the Brownshirts on "The Night of Long Knives". The don't get that they will be the first executed in any globalist takeover. The Constitution is their protection for as long as it stands, and while it does need strengthening in some of its restrictions on government, and means to enforce it on government short of armed revolt, it is still the greatest document of liberty for the common man that this poor war torn mud ball has ever seen.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   14:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rotara (#30)

you're so fucking lame...

You mean fucking lame like someone who double posts?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom (#37)

Omitted history is the most important part of your post.

But how is one to always know ahead of time just when history has been omitted?

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-24   14:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#38)

BTW, I'm sorry that you've got a small dick. On the positive side, it probably goes well with your tiny brain.

is this nester 4-play ??


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#40)

Keep whacking him ... it is fun to watch.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#40)

No, like "wow, so you're fucking LAME"

and then

"WOW, you're SO FUCKING LAME"


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: buckeroo (#33)

Nobody is defending Limbaugh. He's a distraction, especially on 4um where he is rejected by everyone. BS posted the article to be a distraction and the Nesting d'bag who chimed in is a mere, common, Obama shill who is incapable of answering a direct question.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:46:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeroo (#43)

Keep whacking him ... it is fun to watch.

keep whacking yourself, buck - you guys only whack each other.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Rotara (#42)

Be easy on the kid. He's one step out of some university and laden with white guilt.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:48:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#38)

Now is that nice? All I asked is if your hero Obama

Ah, so now he's my hero.

BTW, I'm sorry that you've got a small dick. On the positive side, it probably goes well with your tiny brain.

Another diversionary tactic.

Poor little Troll may be a paid and trained little troll.

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   14:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#47)

if he-she-it could find this site then he-she-it could read the truth.

but no.

Total bagger...bozo is too good for these klowns.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rotara (#46)

Anyone that rationalizes Limbaugh's silly mistakes is a political party HACK. You are worthless to this nation.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Original_Intent (#48)

the Kommunist trolls really believe !


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull, I Don't thinkso (#45)

Nobody is defending Limbaugh. He's a distraction, especially on 4um where he is rejected by everyone. BS posted the article to be a distraction and the Nesting d'bag who chimed in is a mere, common, Obama shill who is incapable of answering a direct question.

Poor baby and here you thought you had the discussion well directed and on message.

Just because that poster thinks Orly Taitz is a ditsy idiot he/she's an Obama supporter? lololol

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-24   14:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Original_Intent (#48)

Another diversionary tactic.

Would that be similar to the diversionary tactic in post #2?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: buckeroo (#50)

do you listen to limppills daily ?

you think selling some guns makes you what...patriotic ??

you're a pussy, buck. you know it, i know it; we all know it.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#37)

Don't be too hard on poor ol' IDT - he comes from a generation that has been dumbed down, disinformed, misinformed, maniputlated constantly by skools and mediawhores, not informed by omitted history, etc.

Omitted history is the most important part of your post.

IN this day and age there is NO excuse for people not filling in the obvious blanks on their own, other than...they are too intellectually lazy... AND TOO PROGRAMMED.

I have gotten to the point that when I make a general statement based on history and someone imediately wants confirmation, source or whatever.

I tell them, do your own reasearch, educate yourself. They accept it as the gospel that if they were not taught it at Harvard, then what do I know about it..

Fortunately for them I do not use bad language.

My favorite example is a young "lady" who worked in the same building I do. I was relating a recent archaeologic discovery off of the coast of India (a city that blows the conventional timeline out of the water) and her response was that it couldn't be true because otherwise it would have been mentioned on CNN.

In the face of such breathtaking ignorance I could thing of no suitable reply.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   14:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Rotara (#49)

Klowns is right.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mininggold (#52)

where have you been ? i don't think supports the obamalamadingdong program daily here on 4um.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Rotara (#54)

do you listen to limppills daily ?

I haven't listened to that POS since 1993 when he ran is TV show presenting Limbaugh Power Ties as smellable items to the lamers.

you think selling some guns makes you what...patriotic ??

Of course it is. Keep the country strong.

you're a pussy, buck. you know it, i know it; we all know it.

ROTFL

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Original_Intent (#55)

and her response was that it couldn't be true because otherwise it would have been mentioned on CNN.

A ten-pound sledgehammer couldn't break thru that amount of programming. Same with political oafs, as if we can't see walking bags of siht when we spot them.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro Tull, Rotara, all (#53)

It was a legitimate question based upon your response given your comment in #1. It helps to illustrate the points under examination.

Of course you are again engaging in diversion and avoidance and such is duly noted.

And again the reference:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   14:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Rotara (#57)

where have you been ? i don't think supports the obamalamadingdong program daily here on 4um.

Sorry, but as usual you're full of shit.

Before today, my last post was on the 18th. Before that it was the 13th. Before that it was the 6th.

Time to get those meds checked. You're hallucinating.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Jethro Tull (#59)

and her response was that it couldn't be true because otherwise it would have been mentioned on CNN.

A ten-pound sledgehammer couldn't break thru that amount of programming. Same with political oafs, as if we can't see walking bags of siht when we spot them.

Sometimes all you can do is shake your head. The sheer amount of non-thought and vacant reasoning is stupefying. Yet, we have to continue given that some small percentage will be provoked to look to prove us wrong and "accidentally" discover that, if anything, we understate the problem and extent.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   15:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Original_Intent (#60)

It was a legitimate question based upon your response given your comment in #1. It helps to illustrate the points under examination.

It has nothing whatever to do with my comment in #1.

Try reading it again.

Here, I'll help you. Limbaugh doesn't do research. He reads what his staff hands him to read, then heads to the golf course.

I fail to see what that has to do with Obama's czars because it has nothing at all to do with Obama's czars.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Original_Intent, Jethro Tull, Rotara (#60)

Why aren't you upset with Jethro and the Rotary Club when they use the same tactics? Or should I infer your ethics are situational?

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-24   15:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro Tull (#63)

Here, I'll help you. Limbaugh doesn't do research. He reads what his staff hands him to read, then heads to the golf course.

Limbaugh has Mr. Snidley stuffing his stack-o stuff as research. That is good enough for Mr. Jethro Tull.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#61)

Before today, my last post was on the 18th. Before that it was the 13th. Before that it was the 6th

That's because you're a Nester, a forum for partisan Obama fellators. Your time and energy is spent discussing matters of importance such as birth certificates, Orly, and Limbaugh. What I'm trying to say is 4um probably isn't for something like you. Please don't take it personal, I'm really here to help.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   15:06:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jethro Tull (#66)

Limbaugh

Your hero.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Original_Intent (#62)

Sometimes all you can do is shake your head. The sheer amount of non-thought and vacant reasoning is stupefying. Yet, we have to continue given that some small percentage will be provoked to look to prove us wrong and "accidentally" discover that, if anything, we understate the problem and extent.

BUMP

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   15:08:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: mininggold (#64)

Why aren't you upset with Jethro and the Rotary Club when they use the same tactics? Or should I infer your ethics are situational?

Have I said I approve?

No, but most everyone slips once in a while and some more than others.

However, they respond in kind generally only when provoked, and I have gently and indirectly chided Rotara once or twice, but I also understand where he is coming from and it is more a matter of frustration, and an unwillingness to "suffer fools gladly", which is different from "salting" a thread to derail it.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   15:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Jethro Tull (#68)

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   15:11:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Brian S (#0)

I must say, I am rather dumbfounded that an article about a pill popping asswipe like Windbag Limbaugh can garner 70 responses on 4um.

Who could be surprised that the fool falls for a hoax. He is a hoax.

abraxas  posted on  2009-10-24   15:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Original_Intent (#69)

No, but most everyone slips once in a while and some more than others.

Rationalizing Limbaugh ensures you are generically stamped a political GOP party HACK.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Jethro Tull (#66)

That's because you're a Nester, a forum for partisan Obama fellators

Since your pal Rotar isn't very good at research, maybe you could dig up my pro-Obama comments yourself.

Or, if you can't, you can just keep showing your stupidity for all to see.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#63)

It was a legitimate question based upon your response given your comment in #1. It helps to illustrate the points under examination.

It has nothing whatever to do with my comment in #1.

Try reading it again.

Here, I'll help you. Limbaugh doesn't do research. He reads what his staff hands him to read, then heads to the golf course.

I fail to see what that has to do with Obama's czars because it has nothing at all to do with Obama's czars.

Am I defending the Mahajunkie?

No.

Limbaugh does lots of research and so do his handlers at whatever PsyOp group he works for. Because he is dishonest and in the business of manipulating his audience he will make "slips" such as this. Likely it was an intentionaly "slip" with the reverse action to give his "opposition" a handle to hold on to.

Personally I don't listen to the bastard, grant him no credibility, and treat him with utter contempt and disdain.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   15:16:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: buckeroo (#72)

Earth to Bucky!

Earth to Bucky!

Can you read me Bucky?

Can you read?

See my #74 for additional clarity.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   15:18:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Original_Intent (#74)

Limbaugh does lots of research and so do his handlers at whatever PsyOp group he works for.

Yeah, Limbaugh begged for Iraq. And here you are, all twisted and grumpy that your leader is picked on.

His reported drug problems have hardly taken the edge off Rush Limbaugh. After his controversial suggestion last fall that the media were giving Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb a break because he's black, the conservative radio talker, 53, has lately drawn fire for remarks seeming to minimize Iraq's prison-abuse scandal. TIME's Richard Zoglin was last week's caller.

YOU'RE GETTING CRITICIZED FOR COMPARING THE PRISON ABUSE IN IRAQ WITH A COLLEGE PRANK. WERE YOU MISINTERPRETED?

I was totally misinterpreted and taken out of context. In a three-hour show, I would wager that two hours and 58 minutes were spent discussing the aspects of those photos that repulsed everybody, including me. The point I made was that this is not worth demeaning our entire war effort. And I think that these photos have been used as a political opportunity here by opponents and enemies of the President to discount the entire war in Iraq.

EVEN AL GORE JUMPED ON YOU LAST WEEK. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE NEW AL GORE?

I'm not convinced it's a new Gore. I think it's the same Gore that has always been around — unhinged. I'm sitting here, as a guy on the radio, and I'm listening to all of these different factions on the left do whatever they can to get me discredited, and I'm saying to myself, Why? I don't make policy. I am some guy on the radio, and I'm being targeted almost as much as the President is. I'm quite honored by it. I'm flattered.

YOU'VE GOT TO BE A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED ABOUT HOW THINGS HAVE TURNED OUT IN IRAQ.

Ah, a typical trick question to get me to criticize policy so that the left can say even Rush Limbaugh has problems with whatever. I am willing to acknowledge that things could go better in certain areas. But I'd rather focus on the positive. I think this is a valiant effort. I think the vision that's involved here is very important. War is filled with unpredictable things. We lost over 1,000 soldiers in a training mission for D-day. A training mission! If we had had the kind of scrutiny in World War II that we have today, we wouldn't have won it.

AS DEMOCRATS GO, HOW BAD IS JOHN KERRY?

Actually, Kerry is quite fun as a candidate. The fact is, they have to keep him hidden. Let's put it this way: the less he's on television, the better his numbers get. He's a charismatic dud.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE AL FRANKEN LIBERAL RADIO NETWORK?

I have not heard them. I do not listen to anybody who does radio. I don't even listen to myself.

THE A.C.L.U. HAS SUPPORTED YOUR LEGAL FIGHT TO KEEP THE MEDICAL RECORDS IN YOUR DRUG CASE PRIVATE. THIS IS NOT A GROUP YOU'RE A FAN OF. DO YOU WELCOME ITS SUPPORT?

In a situation like this, I think it's safe to say I welcome its support, and I don't find it hypocritical at all, because I am not anti-A.C.L.U. If the A.C.L.U. wants to go after, say, Nativity scenes or this sort of thing, I may take issue, but there are other areas where I've supported things it has done.

THE FCC HAS CRACKED DOWN ON BROADCAST INDECENCY. DOES THAT BOTHER YOU?

I'm in the free-speech business, and indecency could be defined any number of ways, depending on who's in power. So it's a red flag to me. I am always concerned about it.

WHAT KIND OF SEASON IS DONOVAN MCNABB GONNA HAVE?

Let me just share with you what I read in a newspaper when the Eagles signed [receiver] Terrell Owens. They said now McNabb has no excuse. What happened after [my comments], I inoculated McNabb from any criticism the rest of the year because nobody, of course, could dare run the risk of agreeing with Rush Limbaugh. So whenever McNabb threw an interception, it was a receiver's fault or an offensive lineman's fault. He was incapable of making a mistake. He owes me a lot.

Concerning Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse, the fucker bent the rules begging to be nabbed as a traitor without principles.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Original_Intent (#74)

I [Limbaugh] was totally misinterpreted and taken out of context.

What a crock of shit.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#73)

Since your pal Rotar isn't very good at research, maybe you could dig up my pro-Obama comments yourself.

Kid, anyone on the Nest is an Obama Freak. Just deal with it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   15:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Jethro Tull (#78)

Kid, anyone on the Nest is an Obama Freak. Just deal with it.

No, I prefer proof.

Why not provide it since you know it to be true about me?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: buckeroo (#77)

My word, you're stupid...being drunk is no excuse. If you become stupid when you drink, you're still stupid. I think you're just stupid in general though...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   15:28:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#79)

I just did. Members of the Nest are Obama fallators, so please, suck deeply.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   15:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#79)

kind of like the kenyan's birthplace. the answer can never be made honestly by the puppet because he's living the lie.

you can't answer the question because it would incriminate you as the world kommie jock sniffer that you are.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   15:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Rotara (#80)

Mild accusations get you nowhere. Can't you lift up your skirt and pull down your panties so we can get some sparks flying?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Jethro Tull (#81)

I just did. Members of the Nest are Obama fallators, so please, suck deeply.

So you admit you can't do it.

I win. You're full of crap, just like Rotar.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: buckeroo (#83)

Mild accusations ?

You're a class A-1 disruptor with the spine of a jellyfish.

Were it NOT for alcohol, I doubt the world would have any clue as to HOW TRULY PATHETIC you are.

You run cover for your fellow travelers, while trying on occasion to legitimize your patriotic bona fides.

You're back on bozo because you're just tooo stooooopid...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   15:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Rotara (#85)

LOL .. hiding?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Rotara (#82)

you can't answer the question because it would incriminate you as the world kommie jock sniffer that you are.

You can't even get my posting history here right, yet you can divine out of thin air all kinds of libels.

Have you thought about getting a job with Orly. She doesn't pay well, but I understand she sleeps with the help.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#84)

Psst......DU is full of Ds. FR is full of Rs and the Nest is full of Obama Freaks. Couple that with your inability to answer a simple question and it leaves you, well, a Freak. See?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   15:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Jethro Tull (#88)

Couple that with your inability to answer a simple question and it leaves you, well, a Freak. See?

You weren't able to answer my simple question.

What does that make you, stubby?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:39:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Jethro Tull (#88)

But you are a Limbaugh fan. It shows or otherwise characterizes the high level of intellect you personally wield. Next, you are voting Limbaugh as President to defeat 0bama in 2012.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: buckeroo, Jethro Tull, Rotara, ALL (#90)

Hey, all.

Want to watch something good unfold?

Pay attention to this thread.

I'm counting the minutes until it makes it's way to LP.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#91)

In a move that has the Plantiffs "amazingly overjoyed," Judge David O. Carter has turned down the Government’s motion for Dismissal in the case of Barnett vs. Obama.

"This is a victory for democracy and the people of America," Rancho Santa Margarita-based attorney Orly Taitz said after this morning’s early meeting in the Judge’s offices.

"This means that, come January, the President of the United States will be forced to come into this same courtroom and explain his massive fraud to the American people."

Taitz represents Capt. Pamela Barnett and other military officers who question orders from the commander in chief, as well as Presidential Candidate Alan Keyes. She has tried similar lawsuits elsewhere, but has failed, most recently in Georgia, where U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land not only rejected the lawsuit Taitz filed, but then fined her $20,000 for filing a "frivolous" appeal.

Taitz is joined in this lawsuit by Ramona-based lawyer Gary G. Kreep, who unsuccessfully tried to sever his case from hers.

"I’m astounded, quite frankly," Kreep commented. "I really thought, after the last Court session, that we weren’t going to get this far. I guess I should have given Judge Carter more credit than I did."

The case revolves around whether Obama was born in the United States. In the previous hearing, in which the Government presented its Motion to Dismiss the case, Carter seemed skeptical that a courtroom was the appropriate place for such a matter to be decided.

Department of Justice attorneys Roger West and David DeJute had argued that only Congress can remove a president through impeachment. The only way the courts could be involved was to have the chief justice of the Supreme Court preside over the impeachment trial.

Both West and DeJute refused to comment.

By WIRE SERVICES -- Story Published: Oct 23, 2009 at 8:50 PDT

This item is just breaking and I would consider it as "Not Verified." There are only a couple of sources on the Internet at the moment, and Taitz doesn't have a comment on her blog.

Another dead head website, headed by a money grubbing fool and articles that make no sense at all other than to inflate egos.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:45:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#91)

This is the Nest. This is where you post when not on LP. The Nest, as I said, is comprised of Obama fellators. Nobody but a leftist shill would post there

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   15:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: buckeroo (#92)

Another dead head website, headed by a money grubbing fool and articles that make no sense at all other than to inflate egos.

And fatten wallets.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   15:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: mininggold (#41)

But how is one to always know ahead of time just when history has been omitted?

One does'nt.

However long after the fact when there are quite apparent blank spaces in history, it is ones interest to find out what it was, and WHY it was omitted.

Abraham Lincoln is an outstanding example of omission.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: buckeroo (#77)

You're beating a dead horse Bucky.

Do you expect to provoke me into defending "Pills" Limbuggerer?

Fat chance. I despise the bloated chancre.

The only point of convergence is that Oh'bummer does have a lot of communist connections (as well as CIA like dear old Mom).

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   16:02:37 ET  (4 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Jethro Tull (#93)

This is the Nest. This is where you post when not on LP. The Nest, as I said, is comprised of Obama fellators. Nobody but a leftist shill would post there

I've heard that this is an anti-Semite site.

Does that mean that nobody but Nazis posts here?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#97)

More deflection, Nestie....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Fred Mertz (#94)

And fatten wallets.

No, this is a joke posting to get the birthers all excited.

It worked for a while at FR; unfortunately no one at LP picked up on it.

Where are packrat and JoeSnuffy when you really need them?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Jethro Tull (#98)

More deflection, Nestie...

You really don't understand your own posts, do you?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#100)

I understand this; you refuse to answer a simple question about Obama and post on a forum with fellow Obama socialists. I understand why you didn't answer my initial question and now others reading this do also.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Original_Intent (#96)

... that the piece was planted with Limbaugh with the intent to help delegitimize questions regarding Oh'bummer. -- Original_Intent

Well, golly and gee whiz now, you are posing animated gif files. Shucks and gosh darn it. Ohh, you seem to pose some interesting stuff, though ... did you create those gif files? Or did you plagiarize them?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Jethro Tull (#101)

Apparently you don't understand that smearing people because of where they post works against you, too.

This is an anti-Semite site; therefore (using what passes for logic for you) you're a Nazi.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:14:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#103)

This is an anti-Semite site

Thank-you.

You're fully exposed.

You can go now.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:17:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro tull (#103)

This is an anti-Semite site; therefore (using what passes for logic for you) you're a Nazi.

Let me correct you on that statement.

This forum is...a non semetic owned and operated site...

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Jethro Tull (#104)

Are you backing Limbaugh for the President position in 2012?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: buckeroo (#106)

Pills Limbought is as isolated and out of touch as the corporate elites he supports.

Does he even drive his own car?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Cynicom (#105)

He took far less cheese that some of the other RATS. Thank god for small favors.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Fred Mertz, Jethro Tull (#107)

He won't answer the question.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: buckeroo (#106)

Make that - Pills Limpbought.

Does he ever fly commercial?

Does he ever use the subway?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:24:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Jethro Tull (#104)

You're fully exposed.

You can go now.

Why?

I enjoy poking stupid people with sticks.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Jethro Tull (#108)

Jews and their limp wrist Goy enablers always finally out themselves.

There are a few at work here on this thread.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Cynicom (#112)

There are a few at work here on this thread.

So now I'm a Jew.

You clowns are too much. Really.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Fred Mertz (#110)

Does he ever fly commercial?

Does he ever use the subway?

Did you ever buy a POWER TIE?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#111)

I enjoy poking stupid people with sticks.

I know that's how you feel, and that's why I took a few minutes to unmask you.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Cynicom (#112)

So, now I'm a Jew?

Wait, today's Saturday...the Sabbath...what am I supposed to do now, old man?

You embarrass yourself. You might want to change your Depends.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro Tull (#113)

So now I'm a Jew.

You fell into that one headfirst. After this read before you post.

No one said you were a Jew, you question it yourself...If that does not fit surely limp wrist goy enabler might.

Which do you prefer.

You took the bait.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: buckeroo (#114)

Did you ever buy a POWER TIE?

I saw some on closeout at my local drug store. They were going for $5.99 if I recall correctly.

Loud and ugly as hell. I think his last (ex) wife designed them.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Cynicom (#117)

You took the bait.

No, I'd say you took the bait by confirming what this site is all about.

Thanks.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#118)

I think his last (ex) wife designed them.

How many ex-wives does he have? Three?

Yes, he's the role model for konservatives...

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Jethro Tull (#115)

I know that's how you feel, and that's why I took a few minutes to unmask you.

I want to know how you are rationaizing a radio talk-show host that has consistently suggested that he is pro-government, in fact he means pro-GOP and un-pro US Constitution.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Fred Mertz (#116)

So, now I'm a Jew?

Wait, today's Saturday...the Sabbath...what am I supposed to do now, old man?

Or a limp-wristed Goy enabler.

I'm glad we got that cleared up.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:34:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, Rotara, christine, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#112)

Jews and their limp wrist Goy enablers always finally out themselves.

There are a few at work here on this thread.

Yes, the shills are moving it to reinforce each other. The thread hasn't gone the way they wanted so now they are erecting a "wall of spam". I've seen the tactic used repeatedly on LF, and El Pee among others.

The general tactic is that when they can't derail the thread by diverting people off onto other paths, such as flame wars, then in order to obscure the debate, and the evidence that they had their heads handed to them, they go for the "wall of spam" maneuver to make the thread unreadable.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   16:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Fred Mertz (#120)

How many ex-wives does he have? Three?

Three it is.

For a while after he traveled around with a beard, but he's given that up.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Original_Intent (#123)

Yes, the shills are moving it to reinforce each other.

Hey pinhead, that's what you and your tag team do.

Notice your "To:" list?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#119)

Thanks.

Welcome.

This site is one of a very few that is not semetic owned and operated, as you have seen, much to your distress.

Now ElPee, Freakville, perhaps are more to your liking. They are Jew owned and operated..

There are people that would ban such sites as this that allows freedom of speech, perhaps you are one???

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#103)

This is an anti-Semite site; therefore (using what passes for logic for you) you're a Nazi.

It sounds to me like you've fallen for the Israel-First propaganda of yukon, mad dog, Magician and the other Israel before America types on LP. Just because the owner of this site believes in freedom of speech and refuses to remove the articles, comments and posters the before mentioned scum believe should be removed does not make this an anti-Semitic web site.

I'm not an anti-Semite, nor are many others on this board. As a matter of fact, myself and others have been chastised on more than one occasion for not believing that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is real and for not believing that the Jews are responsible for every bad thing that goes on in the world.

You do Christine a disservice by spreading LP propaganda like this.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-10-24   16:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Cynicom (#126)

Jim Robberson is a Jew?

This is getting interesting. Please continue.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Original_Intent (#123)

I respect an honest Jew that stands up and says so, and can discuss civilly any subject at hand.

However goys that hide and are actual dry gulchers are to be treated as such.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Original_Intent (#123)

The general tactic is that when they can't derail the thread by diverting people off onto other paths,

BTW, it was your pal Jethro who decided to derail this thread, way back in post #2, remember?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:39:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Hayek Fan (#127)

Put a muzzle on Cynicom.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

The leftist d'bags among us have trouble acknowledging that the real distraction isn't what Limbaugh says, but rather what Obama does.

Showing your TRUE_COLOURS, 'eh? Rationalizing a fat assed pill-popper that begged for Iraq WAR. You aren't a conservative. You are a demonic war machine.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: All (#123)

The following is a reprint of H. Michael Sweeney's fine piece on how to spot the professional disinformation artist. Located at: Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

8 Traits of The Disinformationalist: What to Look For

Eight Traits of The Disinformationist

1. Avoidance
2. Selectivity
3. Coincidental
4. Teamwork
5. Anti-conspiratorial
6. Artificial Emotions
7. Inconsistent
8. Newly Discovered: Time Constant

In the end, you can usually spot the professional disinfo players by one or more of seven (now 8) distinct traits:

Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist by H. Michael Sweeney copyright (c) 1997, 2000 All rights reserved proparanoid.net

(Revised April 2000 - formerly SEVEN Traits)

1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within. I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation: 1) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth. 2) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command. 3) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

I close with the first paragraph of the introduction to my unpublished book, Fatal Rebirth:

Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require... or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   16:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Hayek Fan (#127) (Edited)

It sounds to me like you've fallen for the Israel-First propaganda of yukon, mad dog, Magician and the other Israel before America types on LP.

I'm not an anti-Semite, nor are many others on this board.

That would be quite a trick, since I've got every single one of them on bozo.

And I'm not an Obama enabler, but to all the Sherlock Holmes' on this site I am because I post on other sites besides this one.

If it's a good enough reason to smear me, then it's good enough to smear all of you too.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:43:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Original_Intent (#133) (Edited)

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

I have always liked that one best. First ran into on Freakville before they were able to ban people.

My first banning was for this post...."I for one am tired of the daily flying of the anti semetic flag on FR"...

I was gone, so started looking around and asking questions. Even talked to those that were around when FR was created.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:47:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#134)

I derailed the thread?

I suspected you were a Nesting RAT and low and behold you deliver me this; "This is an anti-Semite site."

The jig is up, kiddo.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Hayek Fan (#134)

Waaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   16:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#134)

And I'm not an Obama enabler, but to all the Sherlock Holmes' on this site I am because I post on other sites besides this one.

If it's a good enough reason to smear me, then it's good enough to smear all of you too.

It appears to me that only two people have made any such claim and the owner of this site was not one of them. So instead of besmirching those who have besmirched you, you have chosen to broad-brush insult everyone here, friend and foe a like. If that's how you want to handle things then that's your right, but you are as wrong as you claim those other two are.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-10-24   16:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Jethro Tull (#136)

The jig is up, kiddo.

Many years ago on national tv, Limburg made this statement...

"I am an ENTERTAINER, I AM SELLING SOMETHING".

Many people have lost sight of that, its a job, he sells a line that makes money.

Taking interest in such one does at their own peril, love or hate, makes no difference.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Cynicom (#139)

Many years ago on national tv, Limburg made this statement...

"I am an ENTERTAINER, I AM SELLING SOMETHING".

Something else he said (on more than one occasion) that seemed to fly over the head of his supporters is that the only job of the Republican Party is to win elections. It's too bad that so many of his audience lack the critical thinking skills to understand the ramifications of that statement.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-10-24   17:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Original_Intent (#123)

aw shit, i admit it: well-nigh stupified...

what derailment was reinforced:
1. hoax,
2. hoax of hoax,
3. hoax of hoax of hoax,
.
.
.
?


what is needed is rigorous yet supple axiom of hoaxiness for to determine hoaxsters from innocent bystanders because, even though its readily apparent they're all the same in the end, allowances ought be made for the emotionally sensitive; bawling can disconcert

postpunk  posted on  2009-10-24   17:02:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Hayek Fan (#138)

It appears to me that only two people have made any such claim and the owner of this site was not one of them.

My point is that smearing someone because of where they post is idiotic.

I used this site's reputation as an example.

It seems perfectly reasonable to me that if every poster on another site can be hit with a broad brush, then it's going to apply here too.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   17:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Original_Intent (#137)

Waaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Are you yukon?

All that's missing is the LOLAY!!!

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   17:03:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Hayek Fan (#140)

Too many people are willing to listen to anyone and form opinions from that.

However if they read the same material, they get exercised about nothing.

Human trait, Hitler and a few others found that out, you have to harangue them, that is how you program them, spoken word, not the same written word.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   17:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Jethro Tull (#136)

I suspected you were a Nesting RAT and low and behold you deliver me this; "This is an anti-Semite site."

You'd need to re-read my first post about that to grasp my point, but I don't think you're up to it.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   17:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#142)

My point is that smearing someone because of where they post is idiotic.

I used this site's reputation as an example.

It seems perfectly reasonable to me that if every poster on another site can be hit with a broad brush, then it's going to apply here too.

Duh. I guess I read through the posts to quickly or wasn't paying enough attention to what I was reading. After re-reading your posts, it is apparent what your point was. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-10-24   17:16:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#142)

My point is that smearing someone because of where they post is idiotic.

So, like, FReepers have it all together politically, eh?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   17:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, Rotara, christine, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#139)

The jig is up, kiddo.

Many years ago on national tv, Limburg made this statement...

"I am an ENTERTAINER, I AM SELLING SOMETHING".

Many people have lost sight of that, its a job, he sells a line that makes money.

Taking interest in such one does at their own peril, love or hate, makes no difference.

Here is another interesting question.

Rush Limbaugh signed a multi-year multi-HUNDRED MILLION dollar contract that is most likely in excess of the advertising revenue generated by his program.

What doesn't fit and why?

If Rush Limbaugh's program is a money making operation how can it pay him more in salary than is made by the program?

Why would a business pay an employee more money than he generates for the business?

There is a reason someone wants him on the air.

If it is not to make money then what is it?

Got PsyOps?

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   17:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Jethro Tull (#103)

I thought I was the official site Nazi. You haven't paid your Nazi dues. Kindly send me two cans of Spam for every month you have been posting.

Faiure to remit will cause your account to be turned over to the collection agency of Silverstein, Goldman, Rosenblum, Goldberg, Katz, Goldstein, & Abdullah.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-10-24   18:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Esso (#149)

I thought I was the official site Nazi.

Sorry Herr Esso. I should have cleared my commie hunt with you before firing. It was impetuous of me, but I despise forum cross dressers. Time is of the essence.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   19:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: abraxas (#71)

I must say, I am rather dumbfounded that an article about a pill popping asswipe like Windbag Limbaugh can garner 70 responses on 4um.

Indeed, I am mildly pleased and entertained over the response... ;)

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2009-10-24   19:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Original_Intent (#133)

Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require... or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world.

Amen Brother.

It is better to die FREE than to live as a SLAVE. IMO


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   19:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: buckeroo (#132) (Edited)

You aren't a conservative. You are a demonic war machine.

With the JOY of being 100% politically incorrect; you are a RETARD !

LOL !!!


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   19:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Rotara (#153)

YEA LIMBAUGH! <-- sarcasm

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   20:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#119)

No, I'd say you took the bait by confirming what this site is all about.

I haven't even gotten up thread enough to know WHAT you're talking about; but suffice it to say I can tell that my answer is good and well:

This site has NOTHING to do with Globalist Corn Holer World Kommunists that would FUCK THEIR GRANDPA to accomplish the 'Greater Good'.

So, yeah, you dumb SOBs got yourself stuck in the patch and now youz aint gettin out...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   20:04:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: buckeroo (#154)

Do you swallow when you hook up with limp pills ??


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   20:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Rotara (#155)

This site has NOTHING to do with Globalist Corn Holer World Kommunists that would FUCK THEIR GRANDPA to accomplish the 'Greater Good'.

Gee, thanks for clearing that up.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   20:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: Fred Mertz (#116)

Fred, you're like the proverbial 'Pat' of forums.

Do you know what that means Fred ??


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   20:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#157)

Gee, thanks for clearing that up.

Something tells me you still don't get it. Just G-pa's corn hole, yeah ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   20:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Rotara (#159)

Something tells me you still don't get it. Just G-pa's corn hole, yeah ?

No, you're perfectly clear, in your special way.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   20:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#103)

This is an anti-Semite site; therefore (using what passes for logic for you) you're a Nazi.

LOL !!!

You're not only a World Kommunist, you're a lock, stck and brl owned twinkie for the Jew Order lobby !!!

FOFLOL !!!!!


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   20:09:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#160)

Ahhhh, pobrecito jew kommie stainer...LOL


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   20:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Rotara (#161)

FOFLOL !!!!!

Sorry, I don't have my yukon decoder ring handy.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   20:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: buckeroo (#106)

Are you backing Limbaugh for the President position in 2012?

Are you giving pills the doggie style position while you read this ???


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   20:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#163)

yukon ?

man are you a brain-crippled Globalist cock sucker...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   20:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Rotara (#162)

Ahhhh, pobrecito jew kommie stainer...LOL

Yeah, I thought that if anybody could understand it, it would be you.

Lunatic your native tongue, is it?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   20:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: buckeroo (#102)

Well, golly and gee whiz now, you are posing animated gif files. Shucks and gosh darn it. Ohh, you seem to pose some interesting stuff, though ... did you create those gif files? Or did you plagiarize them?

Coming from a drunk waste like you, ha ha ha; you haven't had an original thought in decades.

And you know I know...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   20:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#99)

No, this is a joke posting to get the birthers all excited.

Ahhh, I don't think so much used the 'birthers' smear.

Nice, coming from a World Kommunist Seamen Swallower.........LOL


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   20:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Brian S (#151)

Indeed, I am mildly pleased and entertained over the response... ;)

Thread of the day, no doubt about it.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   20:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Rotara, Original_Intent, Jethro Tull (#156)

Do you swallow when you hook up with limp pills ??

You should consider your pals:

The leftist d'bags among us have trouble acknowledging that the real distraction isn't what Limbaugh says, but rather what Obama does. -- Jethro Tull post#6

AND

Precisely. As well we have to consider, because I have a nasty suspicious mind, that the piece was planted with Limbaugh with the intent to help delegitimize questions regarding Oh'bummer. -- Original_Intent post #9

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   20:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: Rotara (#168)

Ah, I see.

You're using the completion backward principle.

Good for you. You won't learn anything that way, and in your case I think that's best.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   20:17:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: Rotara (#167)

And you know I know...

I know you know diddly squat. You have turned against America relishing the pompous charlatan radio show talkmeister Limbaugh.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   20:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#169)

So you just kinda whore around how many forums?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   21:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#169)

Thread of the day, no doubt about it.

Just like tossing a handful of JuneBugs in to the hen house...

{{{cackle}}}

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2009-10-24   21:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Jethro Tull (#173)

So you just kinda whore around how many forums?

Just about as many as you do, stubby.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   21:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: Jethro Tull (#173)

Why are they so fucked up ? Series, in your opinion...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   22:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#175)

So you just kinda whore around how many forums?

Just about as many as you do, stubby.

Amatroll, surely you know JT and where he posts.

Right ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   22:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: b s (#174)

brian,

for some reason i'm glad you have chickens.

sorry for the chickens, but nonetheless...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   22:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: buckeroo (#172)

I know you know diddly squat.

Do you wish that I post names, list addresses and post graphics. buck ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   22:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: Rotara (#179)

Do what ya gotta do fruitcake.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   22:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: Rotara (#177)

Amatroll, surely you know JT and where he posts.

What the hell is an Amatroll?

And no, I don't follow stubby around like he apparently follows me.

That's pretty weird behavior on his part, don't you think?

Or maybe you two are the secret net police.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   22:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#181)

Do you swallow, too, Kommie troll ???????


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   22:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: buckeroo (#180)

buck

I will.

You mistake me for someone who cares.

I don't


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   22:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: Rotara (#182)

Do you swallow, too, Kommie troll ???????

More insults.

I win again.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   22:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: Rotara (#183)

Now you are threatening me? Hey asswipe, put up or shut the fuck up.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   22:39:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: Rotara (#178)

for some reason i'm glad you have chickens.

Me too, however the only 'chickens' I have is you and your ilk on this forum.

The one dressed as a 'meter-maid' is by far the most entertaining, indeed!

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2009-10-24   22:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: buckeroo (#180)

since you like 'proofs', i'm going to see to it personally that an example you are.

i'm ready to light the fuse. are you REALLY ready to be among the 1st to burn ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   22:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#175)

So you are the Count?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   22:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: buckeroo (#185)

Now you are threatening me? Hey asswipe, put up or shut the fuck up.

Put up dickey...LOL


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   22:42:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: Jethro Tull (#188)

So you are the Count?

Am I?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   22:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: Brian S (#186)


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   22:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#190)

Yeah, you are.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   22:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: Rotara (#189)

You haven't put up or shut the fuck up. That must mean you are a rambling, babbling idiot.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   23:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: Rotara (#191)

Coward. Who is watching your scalely ass and taking down your 'you'll kill us all' words on this post that mysteriously became blank?

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2009-10-24   23:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: Brian S (#194)

Oh, Lord, how I wish to right now unleash the dogs of hell on you...the day is coming, don't fret Traitor...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   23:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: Rotara (#195)

Oh, Lord, how I wish to right now unleash the dogs of hell on you...the day is coming, don't fret Traitor...

Watch it.... that cliff is getting mightly close. LOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-25   0:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: Rotara (#195)

Oh, Lord, how I wish to right now unleash the dogs of hell on you...the day is coming, don't fret Traitor...

What the matter little 'sissy fag', not brave enough to repost your 'you'll kill us all' rant?

Browser cache is a most convenient tool and even your mod enabler isn't fast enough to cleanup your messes.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2009-10-25   16:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: Original_Intent (#69)

However, they respond in kind generally only when provoked, and I have gently and indirectly chided Rotara once or twice, but I also understand where he is coming from and it is more a matter of frustration, and an unwillingness to "suffer fools gladly", which is different from "salting" a thread to derail it.

Why don't you just admit you like Rotara's flattery (which is just another one of those disinfo management tools) and he's able to play you like a fiddle.

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-26   12:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: bs (#197)

sissy fag ?

Trolling for butt sex with men on America first 4um's is certainly not beneath you Luciferian chocolate pirate Globalist...LOL


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-26   16:47:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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