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Title: Interesting post
Source: LP
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=276955&Disp=10#C10
Published: Oct 30, 2009
Author: Murron
Post Date: 2009-10-30 06:39:29 by randge
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Views: 43116
Comments: 433

81. To: AGAviator, goldi-lox (#76)
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Destro posted on 2009-10-30 03:31:02 ET Reply Trace 3. To: Goldi-Lox, out damned spot, Marguerite, mel_living, beyond the sea, yukon, domer, sneakypete, Willie Green, fitz, blackhorse, packrat1145, fitz, Blutarsky, Don, Joe Snuffy, GarySpFc, JLO, Mad Dog, Itzlzha, ALL (#1)
Destro: "The host site at http://www.inetebiz.com/ will soon act on the fact LP is a hate site, uses perveerted language and images and members advocating the violent overthrow of the government, promoting racism, etc. No ISP that would want to be associated with that."

63. To: Destro (#40)
Destro: "I am getting this website banned from public access computers like in libraries because of it."
A Pole: "Do you mean that I will lose my library access to LP? "
A Pole posted on 2009-10-29 10:00:53 ET Reply Trace

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#252. To: PaulCJ, Religion of Peace (#240)
I already mentioned those events [Parisan "yoots" in France setting fire to cars and demanding Sharia Law, the raving Imam loons] on this thread. Some of the people here are not listening.

I did note the defensive reaction of the blind, deaf, and dumb to Muzzi-mania. After all, it's all apparently an innocuous "Religion of Peace"; Dubya Bush was right (sorta.) WHO KNEW??
It's them, not you of course.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 19:47:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#253. To: scrapper2, PaulCJ (#242)
No, I'm not kidding.
I asked a question. I have yet to receive an answer from PaulCJ.
(How does Islam pose a threat to our culture?)

Are you this oblivious?
Ok pardner - here's a brief primer:
Islam is a threat to ANY culture because it itself is a primitive Death Cult/religion, an ideological cancer, and corrosive fanaticism that utterly destroys and violates liberty, creativity, and common sense WHEREEVER it becomes an influence.
Disagree? History proves otherwise.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 19:54:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#254. To: Pinguinite (#251)
I suppose I'll have to concede the point. People like yukon, byeltsin, Mad Dog, Marguerite, BobCeleste, et al, should not have a voice at the table of reason, (and one could certainly make the strong argument that LP is not) but even if you shut it down, their stupidity would just migrate elsewhere.
After all, I'm sure that somewhere out in cyberspace, that loon TLBShow is still posting.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 19:57:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#255. To: Samuel Gray, US_GRANT (#243)
I'm sure in your small world...

And yet you hang on my every word and post; That must make your world subatomic.
You really don't seem to belong anywhere
Projecting, sonny-boy? You and I both know you are an inadequate misfit. Must be tough for ya.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 20:02:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#256. To: Liberator (#253)
Disagree? History proves otherwise.

History proves that Christianity and Judaism can be viewed in the same light, it is something that all the branches of Ol' Abe's tree have in common.
Are you going to disclude the Crusades and that horrid little tale about Dinah and the Sheshimites, just to name a couple of instances of the top of my head?
Actually, the Muslims were kinder than both Christians and Jews in that they allowed other religions to continue with their faith and did not force conversion or kill gaggles of them after they agreed to convert, trotting in all the males to get circumcized just so that they would be helpless to fend for themselves as the Jews killed them all........

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:03:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#257. To: Liberator (#255)
Making fun of your every word is not the same as hanging on them. That'd be BTS, your baseball buddy.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 20:05:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#258. To: Samuel Gray (#254)
People like yukon, byeltsin, Mad Dog, Marguerite, BobCeleste, et al, should not have a voice at the table of reason, (and one could certainly make the strong argument that LP is not) but even if you shut it down, their stupidity would just migrate elsewhere.

Samuel, if you truly believe in free speech than you believe in that right for ALL, even when you disagree or do not like what they have to say.
People have a first amendment right to spew stupidity and I, for one, will stand up for their rights along side those whom I like what they have to say.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:06:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#259. To: abraxas (#258)
Philosophically, I agree with you. Practically speaking, there are those whose words actually detract from the body of accumulated human knowledge.
My "pick of the week" is BobCeleste, a true fundie nutball moron. He is shamelessly clueless in the service of his God, and does not wish to learn anything that may conflict with that 'worldview.'
Worse than that, he doesn't even think he needs to. Voices like his are not worthy of the platform they are given, oftentimes.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 20:12:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#260. To: wbales (#244)
All the tyrannical and economically damaging bills passing through congress are by politicians bought off by foreign ~~nations~~ ISRAEL with the intent to destroy the U.S. from within.

It's one thing to claim the influence of foreign lobbyists - and of Israel specifically - but to claim Israel ALONE is responsible for a New World Order and the destruction of a sovereign USA is just plain silly.
Money is Money from lobbyists.
What do the ChiCom lobbyists who bought/stole US technology and weaponry system have to do with Israel?
What does the lack of Border Security/Enforcement and the illegal invasion have to do with Israel?
Just how do Muslim Saudis wield so much influence upon US political without the help of Israel?
Btw, why and how was it America (and its joo-dominated gubmint under FDR) REJECTED desperate Jewish immigrants during the Nazi regime?

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 20:14:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#261. To: Samuel Gray (#259)
Philosophically, I agree with you. Practically speaking, there are those whose words actually detract from the body of accumulated human knowledge.

I can't disagree with that, Sam. However, every time they spew idiocy it offers an opportunity to shed some real light on subjects. That's the beauty of discourse, each spewing offers an opportunity to expand human knowledge that would not present itself had the right to spew idiocy been halted.
I have had a go around with ol' Bob too......he generally gives up when proven clueless.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:17:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#262. To: abraxas (#261)
he generally gives up when proven clueless.

The abortionist/witch/fetus tallow candle was it for me with that guy. There's no starting place from which one may launch an assault on that diamond surface of ignorance.
I hope that his sphere of influence is very very small, and that he has not managed to breed.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 20:20:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#263. To: Liberator (#260)
but to claim Israel ALONE is responsible for a New World Order and the destruction of a sovereign USA is just plain silly.

Did I make that claim? I don't recall making that claim.
Actually, the Jewish influence came on the waves of guilt after the Nazi regime. Do you ask why Israel was given a free pass for murdering our Navy service personnel on the USS Liberty? Do you ask why only duel Israeli citizens serve in our goobermint and no other duelees can be found? Do you ask why we the people send hundereds of billions of dollars to a nation that is in better financial shape than our own?
Sheesh, our idiot reps made this nation subservient to China when we allowed them to be the banker for the biggest debtor nation. We borrowed from China to send money to Israel and to pay off Israels neighbors. You tell me how that works cause I'd love to know. Do you give Israel a free pass for selling our military secrets to China too? Some ally.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:23:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#264. To: abraxas (#256)
History proves that Christianity and Judaism can be viewed in the same light, it is something that all the branches of Ol' Abe's tree have in common.

Sorry. Other than sharing the common history in the Old Testament, both your claim and your analogy are baloney. But do carry on...
Are you going to disclude the Crusades and that horrid little tale about Dinah and the Sheshimites, just to name a couple of instances of the top of my head?
"Disclude" in what context? You mean the citation of an era of persecution, corruption, and perversion of true Christianity invalidates its monumental contribution to civilization? You're historically retarded.
Stuff your ignorant "Christianity = Muslim" bullsh*t.
Actually, the Muslims were kinder than both Christians and Jews in that they allowed other religions to continue with their faith and did not force conversion or kill gaggles of them after they agreed to convert, trotting in all the males to get circumcized just so that they would be helpless to fend for themselves as the Jews killed them all........
LOL - yeah. Islam has been a regular "Religion of Peace," hey, Ace? Wow - I haven't heard this one lately; Islam is actually a progressive and tolerant civilization. WHO KNEW??
The very NEXT invention of Islamo-World will be it's first in the last 600 years.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 20:28:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#265. To: abraxas (#263)
(but to claim Israel ALONE is responsible for a New World Order and the destruction of a sovereign USA is just plain silly.)
Did I make that claim? I don't recall making that claim.

Did I quote you? No I didn't Sparky.
You've already destroyed ANY and ALL credibility in your prior post; Not worth my time, sorry.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 20:32:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#266. To: Pinguinite, Samantha Gray (#251)
But what purpose would closing it [LP] down serve anyway? Would it make anyone smarter or more free? Would in restore any rights? I don't think so. I don't think it would change anything.

Apparently, Miss Gray hoped you'd take the bait. She wishes you had Brownshirt Power because she has an axe to grind with LP.
The petty-fantasies of the Fascist-Left ALWAYS involves censorship, restrictions, and usurpation of power....for the sake of power itself.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 20:38:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#267. To: PaulCJ (#185)
Depends on who first started the battle in question.

A wrong in return for a wrong does not make it right. Sheesh, you really WOULD consider that sort of revenge wouldn't you...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 20:39:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#268. To: FormerLurker (#267)
A wrong in return for a wrong does not make it right.

That is usually a tyrant's motto. And gives a tyrant the excuse to commit wrong after wrong without worry of reprisal.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 20:47:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#269. To: Liberator (#264)
You mean the citation of an era of persecution, corruption, and perversion of true Christianity invalidates its monumental contribution to civilization?

Oh, so it's a free pass for Christians, but the gallows for the Muslims. Why do you ignore Muslim contributions in science, astronomy, math, medicines, hospitals, political science, industry, commerce, agriculture, educations, libraries, music?
There are surely similarities between the three branches of Abe, even if you ignore them. Muslims are no more or less peaceful than Christians and Jews historically. Of course, you really aren't up on history are you Lib? You like to toss it out there with no basis or a selective accounting of events.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:48:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#270. To: Liberator (#265)
Did I quote you? No I didn't Sparky.

Then why bring it up? Irrelevent bovine excrement doesn't make for any credibility in your posts, Lib. Throwing stones is a past time itsn't it? You're killing me with your tantrum and defensive stance over a simple little internet chat.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:52:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#271. To: abraxas (#269)
When Littlebaby says you're wasting his time, that's his weasel way of saying he can't refute your argument.
His error is in the misuse of the indefinite article "a". It's not "a religion" that has derailed cultural development in every region of the world where it is widely practed, it is just simply 'religion'.
Regardless of the particular brand, it's not that 'a' religion exists, it's that any religion exists. It hobbles and cripples any culture it infests.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 20:54:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#272. To: Liberator (#266)
The petty-fantasies of the Fascist-Left ALWAYS involves censorship, restrictions, and usurpation of power

As you said earlier, some posts are their own punchline. See Moldi-Box's list of bannees and try to breathe life into that weak brownshirt argument again.
I'm predicting you'll do it with your inimitably slimy ass-kissing style of saying it's Goldi's shop, she can do with it as she pleases.
(btw, whoever sent me her pic, and you *know* who you are...I'm having that mug silk-screened onto a Halloween mask. ((((((shudder)))))
Moldy-Box, indeed.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 20:59:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#273. To: PaulCJ (#268)
That is usually a tyrant's motto. And gives a tyrant the excuse to commit wrong after wrong without worry of reprisal.

So you're advocating terrorism as a legitimate means of avenging perceived wrongs?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:00:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#274. To: FormerLurker (#273)
So you're advocating terrorism as a legitimate means of avenging perceived wrongs?

Are you advocating abolishing self-defense? Because that is how your previous post could be interpreted.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 21:01:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#275. To: PaulCJ (#274)
Are you advocating abolishing self-defense? Because that is how your previous post could be interpreted.

You were talking about blowing up churches, synagogues, and mosques. How is blowing one of those up "self defense"?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:03:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#276. To: FormerLurker (#275)
Paulie apparently believes in the right of white, god-fearing Christian folk to 'pre-emptive self-defense', even in cases where those would-be assailants never heard of him and stood less than zero chance of ever coming within a continent of him.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:04:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#277. To: abraxas (#269)
Oh, so it's a free pass for Christians, but the gallows for the Muslims.

Do you actually believe you'd retain even 5% of the same liberties in a Muslim society as in a "Christian" society?
Citing dark eras with which to invalidate a "Christian" culture spanning 2000 years is hardly balanced; The good faaaar outweighed the the bad with respect to Christendom.
There IS NO America without Christian forefathers and Christian concepts of liberty and freedom.
The gallows for Muslims? They can do whatever they please in their part of their world. The moment they lay claim anywhere else, they need to eliminated and disinfected. Yes, like the virus they are. Have you ANY idea how the Muslim hordes have been slaughtering un-Muslim villages in Africa? Naaah.
Why do you ignore Muslim contributions in science, astronomy, math, medicines, hospitals, political science, industry, commerce, agriculture, educations, libraries, music?
There has been ZERO "contrition" by Islam in 600 years. Before that this Death Cult was just a bit less regressive.
There are surely similarities between the three branches of Abe, even if you ignore them.
"Similaries," yes. But you claimed, "history proves that Christianity and Judaism can be viewed in the same light." WHOSE "history"??
Muslims are no more or less peaceful than Christians and Jews historically.
I'm NOT going to humor you. This is as dopey an assertion as I have ever seen.
Of course, you really aren't up on history are you Lib? You like to toss it out there with no basis or a selective accounting of events.
"Tossing" my arse. I'm not the one alienated from both history AND reality.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 21:06:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#278. To: Samuel Gray (#276)
Paulie apparently believes in the right of white, god-fearing Christian folk to 'pre-emptive self-defense',

Those sorts of people are no better than the most rabid jihadist. In fact, they ARE jihadists, just of a different dogma, but same wild-eyed nuttery.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:10:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#279. To: Liberator (#277)
There has been ZERO "contrition" by Islam in 600 years.

MANY scientists, doctors, and engineers are Muslim. So ok, ISLAM has not EVER contributed to science, medicine, etc., but NEITHER has Christianity or Judaism, nor ANY other religion for that matter.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:13:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#280. To: Liberator (#277)
Do you actually believe you'd retain even 5% of the same liberties in a Muslim society as in a "Christian" society?
There IS NO America without Christian forefathers and Christian concepts of liberty and freedom.
But you claimed, "history proves that Christianity and Judaism can be viewed in the same light." WHOSE "history"??

That is truly a stupid argument considering that I have never advocated a Muslim or a Christian society. I like that separation of church and state deal we have going on here. I'm not fond of theocracy.
Make your argument to Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine. Send a thank you card to the Puritans....lol.
Yes, that would be world history. Any in depth study of the relationship between religion and state will prove this outright, Lib. The problem is that you ignore history if it doesn't jive with your current views. Originally, you spoke of Muslims being historically less peaceful than Christians and Jews, which is NOT true at all. Since this is your claim, why don't you cough up some historical data to validate your claim that Christianity and Judaism are historically more peaceful than Muslims? That would be more productive than spewing idiotic insults and throwing tantrums.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 21:19:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#281. To: FormerLurker (#278)
Those sorts of people are no better than the most rabid jihadist. In fact, they ARE jihadists, just of a different dogma, but same wild-eyed nuttery.

The only difference is they lack the courage of their convictions to take the battle to the 'infidels'. For now, they are content to beat their chests and demand that someone else be sent to kill them.
If you blocked out the names of the various fairy tale compilations (koran, torah, bible) and the invisible sky fairies (allah, yahweh, jesus), and just read the rhetoric about who should be killing whom, and which infidel would be roasting on a spit in hell for eternity, all three of the world's 'great' religions would be virtually identical.
No further evidence is needed that the whole mess is a man-made charade intended to imbue their particular brands of xenophobia and bigotry with a divine mandate. Otherwise the equation simplifies to idiots with sticks and rocks killing each other for the barest toehold of advantage.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:27:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#282. To: FormerLurker (#279)
So ok, ISLAM has not EVER contributed to science, medicine, etc., but NEITHER has Christianity or Judaism, nor ANY other religion for that matter.

Easy there, big fella. Them's fightin' words. Did you forget Creation Science?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:28:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#283. To: abraxas (#280)
Originally, you spoke of Muslims being historically less peaceful than Christians and Jews, which is NOT true at all....why don't you cough up some historical data to validate your claim that Christianity and Judaism are historically more peaceful than Muslims?

Of course it is...
But nonetheless, this is hysterical; I actually need "historical data" to convince you of my claim?? Hey wait - lemme grab my retroactive body-count stat-sheet back to the year 1 A.D.
I like that separation of church and state deal we have going on here. I'm not fond of theocracy.
If anyone is "theocratic" it's Islam.
Make your argument to Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine. Send a thank you card to the Puritans....lol.
We'll just ignore the super-majority of Christian Founders in lieu of Paine and Jefferson - happy now? Fact is the principles and tenets of the Founders' BoR and Constitution were Bible-inspired. Islam? Not so much.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 21:31:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#284. To: FormerLurker (#279)
MANY scientists, doctors, and engineers are Muslim.

And taught and trained AT WESTERN UNIVERSITIES.
So ok, ISLAM has not EVER contributed to science, medicine, etc., but NEITHER has Christianity or Judaism, nor ANY other religion for that matter.
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty; Without a doubt - the Judeo-Christian heritage.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 21:37:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#285. To: Samuel Gray (#282)
Did you forget Creation Science?

Oh yeah, the story that says the earth along with the rest of the universe was created 6000 years ago, even though we can see distant galaxies 13 billion light years away (which to a reasonable person would indicate the universe is at least 13 billion years old).
Well golly shucks, I forgot about that. Hmmm, I also forgot about the contribution Judaism has given medicine, the services of a mohel...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:39:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#286. To: Liberator (#284)
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty; Without a doubt - the Judeo-Christian heritage.

Have you ever heard of Sumeria? How about ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome?
Liberty? Well that is a subjective thing. Tell me, do you think the people of Iraq feel more free today than they did? Now that the religious police can arrest people for violating some arcane religious edict, which only started AFTER we "liberated" those people...
How about all those "liberated" people in Abu Ghraib, Bahrain, or other such wonderful places? Are they more free than before?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:43:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#287. To: Liberator (#283)
If anyone is "theocratic" it's Islam

No more so than Jews.
As far as contrition in government for predominately Muslim states, the past 100 years have shown great strides. In areas where the US butts in, such as in Saudi Arabia, there is little to no progress.
Iran became a constitutional monarchy in 1906. The only war that Iran raged was instigated by the US and started by Iraq, no 600 years of warring in that nation. Our so called Christian nation has out warred all other nations in the past 100 years. Iran isn't a perfect model, but it is a model of contrition over the past 600 years and Iranians have multiple cultural contributions in medicine and science during that time span.
Turkey is a parlimentary representative democracy, which is yet another historical example of Muslim contrition in the past 100 years.
Yes, you do need some historical data to be convincing of anything you say for I have proved you wrong again and again with historical data.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 21:43:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#288. To: Liberator (#284)
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty; Without a doubt - the Judeo-Christian heritage.

While Europe was in ruins based upon Judaic-Christian history, the Muslim world harbored the Bible in Constantinople. Apparently, you don't realize how close the three religions are aligned, not just from a fundamental religious philosophy but also a historical basis.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 21:43:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#289. To: Samuel Gray (#281)
If you blocked out the names of the various fairy tale compilations (koran, torah, bible) and the invisible sky fairies (allah, yahweh, jesus), and just read the rhetoric about who should be killing whom, and which infidel would be roasting on a spit in hell for eternity, all three of the world's 'great' religions would be virtually identical.

The sad part is, they don't even follow the words of their own God. Jesus taught "Treat others as you yourself would want to be treated", and "Turn the other cheek". Pretty much a very pacifist and non-violent philosophy, yet, look at what they actually DO or WISH to do...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:46:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#290. To: FormerLurker (#276)
Sammy obviously believes that muslims have the right to put non-muslims to the sword, by either murdering them, or enslaving them.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 21:49:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#291. To: Liberator (#284)
And taught and trained AT WESTERN UNIVERSITIES

No. Prior to our bombing the crap out of Iraq, they had an excellent higher education system. Iran has some outstanding universities as well. Ditto for Turkey.
Gee, is this "Christian" nation of ours advancing or collapsing Lib? We're number one in WARRING, but we don't cut the mustard much these days beyond that. We're number one in DEBT...how's that working in our favor? How Christian is all of our warring to "promote democracy" and "liberate" other nations? Our liberties are currently under assault and you are cheerleading our track record. If our nation is an example of Christianity, every Christian should be ashamed. Honestly, I don't see too much Christianity in action these days. We have a lot of people who rush to church on Sunday and act like asswipes the rest of the week.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 21:49:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#292. To: PaulCJ (#290)
Hey, Paul? Just go to bed for the night. You've dumbed down the internet enough today.
Your homework assignment is to look up the word 'xenophobia' and try to reflect on how it applies to your life.
Run along, now. G'nite.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:50:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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