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Title: Interesting post
Source: LP
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=276955&Disp=10#C10
Published: Oct 30, 2009
Author: Murron
Post Date: 2009-10-30 06:39:29 by randge
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Views: 43404
Comments: 433

81. To: AGAviator, goldi-lox (#76)
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Destro posted on 2009-10-30 03:31:02 ET Reply Trace 3. To: Goldi-Lox, out damned spot, Marguerite, mel_living, beyond the sea, yukon, domer, sneakypete, Willie Green, fitz, blackhorse, packrat1145, fitz, Blutarsky, Don, Joe Snuffy, GarySpFc, JLO, Mad Dog, Itzlzha, ALL (#1)
Destro: "The host site at http://www.inetebiz.com/ will soon act on the fact LP is a hate site, uses perveerted language and images and members advocating the violent overthrow of the government, promoting racism, etc. No ISP that would want to be associated with that."

63. To: Destro (#40)
Destro: "I am getting this website banned from public access computers like in libraries because of it."
A Pole: "Do you mean that I will lose my library access to LP? "
A Pole posted on 2009-10-29 10:00:53 ET Reply Trace

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#277. To: abraxas (#269)
Oh, so it's a free pass for Christians, but the gallows for the Muslims.

Do you actually believe you'd retain even 5% of the same liberties in a Muslim society as in a "Christian" society?
Citing dark eras with which to invalidate a "Christian" culture spanning 2000 years is hardly balanced; The good faaaar outweighed the the bad with respect to Christendom.
There IS NO America without Christian forefathers and Christian concepts of liberty and freedom.
The gallows for Muslims? They can do whatever they please in their part of their world. The moment they lay claim anywhere else, they need to eliminated and disinfected. Yes, like the virus they are. Have you ANY idea how the Muslim hordes have been slaughtering un-Muslim villages in Africa? Naaah.
Why do you ignore Muslim contributions in science, astronomy, math, medicines, hospitals, political science, industry, commerce, agriculture, educations, libraries, music?
There has been ZERO "contrition" by Islam in 600 years. Before that this Death Cult was just a bit less regressive.
There are surely similarities between the three branches of Abe, even if you ignore them.
"Similaries," yes. But you claimed, "history proves that Christianity and Judaism can be viewed in the same light." WHOSE "history"??
Muslims are no more or less peaceful than Christians and Jews historically.
I'm NOT going to humor you. This is as dopey an assertion as I have ever seen.
Of course, you really aren't up on history are you Lib? You like to toss it out there with no basis or a selective accounting of events.
"Tossing" my arse. I'm not the one alienated from both history AND reality.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 21:06:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#278. To: Samuel Gray (#276)
Paulie apparently believes in the right of white, god-fearing Christian folk to 'pre-emptive self-defense',

Those sorts of people are no better than the most rabid jihadist. In fact, they ARE jihadists, just of a different dogma, but same wild-eyed nuttery.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:10:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#279. To: Liberator (#277)
There has been ZERO "contrition" by Islam in 600 years.

MANY scientists, doctors, and engineers are Muslim. So ok, ISLAM has not EVER contributed to science, medicine, etc., but NEITHER has Christianity or Judaism, nor ANY other religion for that matter.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:13:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#280. To: Liberator (#277)
Do you actually believe you'd retain even 5% of the same liberties in a Muslim society as in a "Christian" society?
There IS NO America without Christian forefathers and Christian concepts of liberty and freedom.
But you claimed, "history proves that Christianity and Judaism can be viewed in the same light." WHOSE "history"??

That is truly a stupid argument considering that I have never advocated a Muslim or a Christian society. I like that separation of church and state deal we have going on here. I'm not fond of theocracy.
Make your argument to Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine. Send a thank you card to the Puritans....lol.
Yes, that would be world history. Any in depth study of the relationship between religion and state will prove this outright, Lib. The problem is that you ignore history if it doesn't jive with your current views. Originally, you spoke of Muslims being historically less peaceful than Christians and Jews, which is NOT true at all. Since this is your claim, why don't you cough up some historical data to validate your claim that Christianity and Judaism are historically more peaceful than Muslims? That would be more productive than spewing idiotic insults and throwing tantrums.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 21:19:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#281. To: FormerLurker (#278)
Those sorts of people are no better than the most rabid jihadist. In fact, they ARE jihadists, just of a different dogma, but same wild-eyed nuttery.

The only difference is they lack the courage of their convictions to take the battle to the 'infidels'. For now, they are content to beat their chests and demand that someone else be sent to kill them.
If you blocked out the names of the various fairy tale compilations (koran, torah, bible) and the invisible sky fairies (allah, yahweh, jesus), and just read the rhetoric about who should be killing whom, and which infidel would be roasting on a spit in hell for eternity, all three of the world's 'great' religions would be virtually identical.
No further evidence is needed that the whole mess is a man-made charade intended to imbue their particular brands of xenophobia and bigotry with a divine mandate. Otherwise the equation simplifies to idiots with sticks and rocks killing each other for the barest toehold of advantage.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:27:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#282. To: FormerLurker (#279)
So ok, ISLAM has not EVER contributed to science, medicine, etc., but NEITHER has Christianity or Judaism, nor ANY other religion for that matter.

Easy there, big fella. Them's fightin' words. Did you forget Creation Science?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:28:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#283. To: abraxas (#280)
Originally, you spoke of Muslims being historically less peaceful than Christians and Jews, which is NOT true at all....why don't you cough up some historical data to validate your claim that Christianity and Judaism are historically more peaceful than Muslims?

Of course it is...
But nonetheless, this is hysterical; I actually need "historical data" to convince you of my claim?? Hey wait - lemme grab my retroactive body-count stat-sheet back to the year 1 A.D.
I like that separation of church and state deal we have going on here. I'm not fond of theocracy.
If anyone is "theocratic" it's Islam.
Make your argument to Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine. Send a thank you card to the Puritans....lol.
We'll just ignore the super-majority of Christian Founders in lieu of Paine and Jefferson - happy now? Fact is the principles and tenets of the Founders' BoR and Constitution were Bible-inspired. Islam? Not so much.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 21:31:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#284. To: FormerLurker (#279)
MANY scientists, doctors, and engineers are Muslim.

And taught and trained AT WESTERN UNIVERSITIES.
So ok, ISLAM has not EVER contributed to science, medicine, etc., but NEITHER has Christianity or Judaism, nor ANY other religion for that matter.
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty; Without a doubt - the Judeo-Christian heritage.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 21:37:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#285. To: Samuel Gray (#282)
Did you forget Creation Science?

Oh yeah, the story that says the earth along with the rest of the universe was created 6000 years ago, even though we can see distant galaxies 13 billion light years away (which to a reasonable person would indicate the universe is at least 13 billion years old).
Well golly shucks, I forgot about that. Hmmm, I also forgot about the contribution Judaism has given medicine, the services of a mohel...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:39:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#286. To: Liberator (#284)
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty; Without a doubt - the Judeo-Christian heritage.

Have you ever heard of Sumeria? How about ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome?
Liberty? Well that is a subjective thing. Tell me, do you think the people of Iraq feel more free today than they did? Now that the religious police can arrest people for violating some arcane religious edict, which only started AFTER we "liberated" those people...
How about all those "liberated" people in Abu Ghraib, Bahrain, or other such wonderful places? Are they more free than before?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:43:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#287. To: Liberator (#283)
If anyone is "theocratic" it's Islam

No more so than Jews.
As far as contrition in government for predominately Muslim states, the past 100 years have shown great strides. In areas where the US butts in, such as in Saudi Arabia, there is little to no progress.
Iran became a constitutional monarchy in 1906. The only war that Iran raged was instigated by the US and started by Iraq, no 600 years of warring in that nation. Our so called Christian nation has out warred all other nations in the past 100 years. Iran isn't a perfect model, but it is a model of contrition over the past 600 years and Iranians have multiple cultural contributions in medicine and science during that time span.
Turkey is a parlimentary representative democracy, which is yet another historical example of Muslim contrition in the past 100 years.
Yes, you do need some historical data to be convincing of anything you say for I have proved you wrong again and again with historical data.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 21:43:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#288. To: Liberator (#284)
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty; Without a doubt - the Judeo-Christian heritage.

While Europe was in ruins based upon Judaic-Christian history, the Muslim world harbored the Bible in Constantinople. Apparently, you don't realize how close the three religions are aligned, not just from a fundamental religious philosophy but also a historical basis.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 21:43:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#289. To: Samuel Gray (#281)
If you blocked out the names of the various fairy tale compilations (koran, torah, bible) and the invisible sky fairies (allah, yahweh, jesus), and just read the rhetoric about who should be killing whom, and which infidel would be roasting on a spit in hell for eternity, all three of the world's 'great' religions would be virtually identical.

The sad part is, they don't even follow the words of their own God. Jesus taught "Treat others as you yourself would want to be treated", and "Turn the other cheek". Pretty much a very pacifist and non-violent philosophy, yet, look at what they actually DO or WISH to do...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:46:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#290. To: FormerLurker (#276)
Sammy obviously believes that muslims have the right to put non-muslims to the sword, by either murdering them, or enslaving them.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 21:49:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#291. To: Liberator (#284)
And taught and trained AT WESTERN UNIVERSITIES

No. Prior to our bombing the crap out of Iraq, they had an excellent higher education system. Iran has some outstanding universities as well. Ditto for Turkey.
Gee, is this "Christian" nation of ours advancing or collapsing Lib? We're number one in WARRING, but we don't cut the mustard much these days beyond that. We're number one in DEBT...how's that working in our favor? How Christian is all of our warring to "promote democracy" and "liberate" other nations? Our liberties are currently under assault and you are cheerleading our track record. If our nation is an example of Christianity, every Christian should be ashamed. Honestly, I don't see too much Christianity in action these days. We have a lot of people who rush to church on Sunday and act like asswipes the rest of the week.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 21:49:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#292. To: PaulCJ (#290)
Hey, Paul? Just go to bed for the night. You've dumbed down the internet enough today.
Your homework assignment is to look up the word 'xenophobia' and try to reflect on how it applies to your life.
Run along, now. G'nite.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:50:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#293. To: FormerLurker (#275)
You were talking about blowing up churches, synagogues, and mosques. How is blowing one of those up "self defense"?

I said this twice on this thread. You cannot reason with muslim fanatics and muslim fanatics are not afraid to die.
Threatening to destroy what they value most may be the only way to stop them.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 21:51:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#294. To: Samuel Gray (#292)
Just go to bed for the night.

What's the matter, don't like your own medicine.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 21:51:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#295. To: Liberator (#284)
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty;

If anything, the early church destroyed as much knowledge as possible, burning the Library of Alexandria, killing people who held different beliefs, and setting back science a thousand years or so. That's why it was called the Dark Ages.
Look at the persecution Galileo and others like him suffered. Luckily, science advanced in SPITE of religion, not BECAUSE of it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:52:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#296. To: PaulCJ (#294)
I'm not trying to medicate you, Paulie. Your brand of stupid is terminal, I'm sorry to say.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:53:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#297. To: Liberator, PaulCJ (#260)
You are way out of place here.
Your BS queries no longer work on those with the knowledge base that I and most of us on this forum now have.
See my tagline.
When you type "Muslims are out to take over the United States and the world" or some such similar tripe, I, and most here at 4um, see "I am an f-ing braindead idiot."
When you type "We need to worry about China, not Israel." or some such similar tripe, I, and most here at 4um, see "I am an Israel First traitor to America."
This forum is neither FR nor LP.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 21:55:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#298. To: PaulCJ (#293)
Threatening to destroy what they value most may be the only way to stop them.

Becoming no better than what you fear and hate makes you INTO what you fear and hate.
It makes you ONE of them actually.
You have this irrational fear of a different religion. That religion is not the problem, it is those who incite hatred and take away basic necessities from innocent people who are the problem. Look at what the Israelis have done, and are doing to the Palestinian population. Do you think that fosters good will?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:56:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#299. To: PaulCJ (#293)
Threatening to destroy what they value most may be the only way to stop them.

Hi Paul,
And what do "they" value most?
Thanks
Tom
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-10-31 21:56:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#300. To: PaulCJ, Samuel Gray (#290)
Sammy obviously believes that muslims have the right to put non-muslims to the sword, by either murdering them, or enslaving them.

Please point out where Sam has said that. I can't seem to find anything like that posted on this thread, or anything implying that either.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:59:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#301. To: FormerLurker (#285) (Edited)
Oh yeah, the story that says the earth along with the rest of the universe was created 6000 years ago, even though we can see distant galaxies 13 billion light years away (which to a reasonable person would indicate the universe is at least 13 billion years old).
Well golly shucks, I forgot about that. Hmmm, I also forgot about the contribution Judaism has given medicine, the services of a mohel...

Got it in one. Dinosaurs on the ark, the age of the universe question answered by "god created it to look old", then chinked up the holes between the logs with the mud of faith, not ever realizing there weren't even enough logs there to crucify an itinerant Jewish carpenter...
And the mohel, yes, indeed. Yup, while the Persians (with a nod to the Babylonians) were giving us al jabr, representatives of "el" were biting off the foreskins of infants.
Where would we be as a race if we were bereft of the civilizing influence of religion?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 22:02:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#302. To: abraxas (#280)
Originally, you spoke of Muslims being historically less peaceful than Christians and Jews, which is NOT true at all. Since this is your claim, why don't you cough up some historical data to validate your claim that Christianity and Judaism are historically more peaceful than Muslims?

Frankly, compared to the pacific spread of early Christian evangelism, where moral suasion was the main vehicle for propagating the faith, the first centuries of the spread of Islam were pretty riotous and chaotic, to say the least.
Of the four caliphs that succeeded Mohamed as leaders of the faithful, three were murdered (Umar Uthman and Ali) as well as Husssin the nephew of Ali. Both Ali and Hussein are revered as great Imams be the Shi'a. The Sunni disregard the great veneration in which these two and held, and this difference of opinion persists today as a legacy of the bitter conflicts that were fought in the 7th century.
The years between the death of Mohamed and the end of the first great period of conquests in north Africa and the Near East were tumultuous and riven by complex rivalries, antagonisms and warfare.
Here's a brief precis:
www.princeton.edu/~b atke/itl/denise/right.htm

randge posted on 2009-10-31 22:05:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#303. To: randge (#302)
Thanks range. : )
Yes, I agree that the split in the Muslim faith was bloody and, even today, this is true for the Sunni/Shia rift.
Christians had less killing within the different sects, but I would argue that the Christians were more willing to kill those who refused to convert. People who were not so white were dubbed heathens and savages to merit killing them. I'm sure this was deemed moral suasion at the time.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 22:16:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#304. To: abraxas (#303)
Yeah up thru the period of Pauline conversions, the Christian church lived up to the pacific example of its progenitor.
But once Christianity became a state religion - whoa hoa!
Onward Christian soldiers.

randge posted on 2009-10-31 22:21:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#305. To: randge (#304)
But once Christianity became a state religion - whoa hoa!
Onward Christian soldiers.

I was just reading something about how the British empire used Christianity as a means to steal resources, enslave and keep the people subservient to the king.
I found that the Gnostic persepective was more pacifist and true to the tenants of Christianity, of course, that was one sect that was banished since it was a threat to the political aspirations of a less individualistic and loving view of Christianity.
What is the specific time frame of the Pauline conversions? Does that tie into the demise of the Gnostics?

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 22:29:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#306. To: FormerLurker (#300)
Point to where I previously said, "believes in the right of white".

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:34:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#307. To: wbales (#297)
What's the matter, don't want to reply to my on that thread you pinged me too.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:39:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#308. To: PaulCJ (#306)
Point to where I previously said, "believes in the right of white".

Do you think you have the religious duty to kill Muslims?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 22:39:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#309. To: FormerLurker (#298)
Becoming no better than what you fear and hate makes you INTO what you fear and hate.
It makes you ONE of them actually.
You have this irrational fear of a different religion. That religion is not the problem, it is those who incite hatred and take away basic necessities from innocent people who are the problem. Look at what the Israelis have done, and are doing to the Palestinian population. Do you think that fosters good will?

Do you wish to abolish self-defense? Or should I rephrase; Do you wish to abolish self-defense when it concerns U.S. citizens defending themselves?

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:41:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#310. To: Samuel Gray (#254)
...that loon TLBShow is still posting.

He owes me money.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 22:41:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#311. To: FormerLurker (#308)
Do you think you have the religious duty to kill Muslims?

Only when it is those who seek to steal from, rape, or murder my family, friends, or myself.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:42:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#312. To: PaulCJ (#307)
What's the matter, don't want to reply to my on that thread you pinged me too.

No. I'm too afraid.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 22:49:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#313. To: FormerLurker (#286)
Have you ever heard of Sumeria? How about ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome?

Relatively speaking, progressive, thriving societies...
But no comparison to Industrial Age standards of living, creativity, and liberty for the common man.
Liberty? Well that is a subjective thing.
No it isn't.
Tell me, do you think the people of Iraq feel more free today than they did? Now that the religious police can arrest people for violating some arcane religious edict, which only started AFTER we "liberated" those people...
I don't know to WHAT degree the people Iraq feel "liberated" since the fall of Saddam...BUT that's germane to this issue because...
How about all those "liberated" people in Abu Ghraib, Bahrain, or other such wonderful places? Are they more free than before?
Don't know, don't care.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 22:50:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#314. To: PaulCJ (#309)
Are you an Israel Firster or a braindead idiot (as if it matters)?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 22:56:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#315. To: Liberator (#314)
ping to #314
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 22:58:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#316. To: randge (#302)
Frankly, compared to the pacific spread of early Christian evangelism, where moral suasion was the main vehicle for propagating the faith

Oh, you mean how all non-believers such as Jews and Gypsies were put to death, a slow agonizing death by means such as this?
10 Most Frightening Torture Techniques from the Middle Ages
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:01:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#317. To: Liberator (#313)
Don't know, don't care.

Why not?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:01:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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