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Title: Interesting post
Source: LP
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=276955&Disp=10#C10
Published: Oct 30, 2009
Author: Murron
Post Date: 2009-10-30 06:39:29 by randge
Keywords: None
Views: 43218
Comments: 433

81. To: AGAviator, goldi-lox (#76)
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No ISP that would want to be associated with that.

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Destro posted on 2009-10-30 03:31:02 ET Reply Trace 3. To: Goldi-Lox, out damned spot, Marguerite, mel_living, beyond the sea, yukon, domer, sneakypete, Willie Green, fitz, blackhorse, packrat1145, fitz, Blutarsky, Don, Joe Snuffy, GarySpFc, JLO, Mad Dog, Itzlzha, ALL (#1)
Destro: "The host site at http://www.inetebiz.com/ will soon act on the fact LP is a hate site, uses perveerted language and images and members advocating the violent overthrow of the government, promoting racism, etc. No ISP that would want to be associated with that."

63. To: Destro (#40)
Destro: "I am getting this website banned from public access computers like in libraries because of it."
A Pole: "Do you mean that I will lose my library access to LP? "
A Pole posted on 2009-10-29 10:00:53 ET Reply Trace

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A very social democrat, no?
Or was it a christian democrat?
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#294. To: Samuel Gray (#292)
Just go to bed for the night.

What's the matter, don't like your own medicine.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 21:51:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#295. To: Liberator (#284)
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty;

If anything, the early church destroyed as much knowledge as possible, burning the Library of Alexandria, killing people who held different beliefs, and setting back science a thousand years or so. That's why it was called the Dark Ages.
Look at the persecution Galileo and others like him suffered. Luckily, science advanced in SPITE of religion, not BECAUSE of it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:52:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#296. To: PaulCJ (#294)
I'm not trying to medicate you, Paulie. Your brand of stupid is terminal, I'm sorry to say.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:53:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#297. To: Liberator, PaulCJ (#260)
You are way out of place here.
Your BS queries no longer work on those with the knowledge base that I and most of us on this forum now have.
See my tagline.
When you type "Muslims are out to take over the United States and the world" or some such similar tripe, I, and most here at 4um, see "I am an f-ing braindead idiot."
When you type "We need to worry about China, not Israel." or some such similar tripe, I, and most here at 4um, see "I am an Israel First traitor to America."
This forum is neither FR nor LP.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 21:55:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#298. To: PaulCJ (#293)
Threatening to destroy what they value most may be the only way to stop them.

Becoming no better than what you fear and hate makes you INTO what you fear and hate.
It makes you ONE of them actually.
You have this irrational fear of a different religion. That religion is not the problem, it is those who incite hatred and take away basic necessities from innocent people who are the problem. Look at what the Israelis have done, and are doing to the Palestinian population. Do you think that fosters good will?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:56:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#299. To: PaulCJ (#293)
Threatening to destroy what they value most may be the only way to stop them.

Hi Paul,
And what do "they" value most?
Thanks
Tom
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-10-31 21:56:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#300. To: PaulCJ, Samuel Gray (#290)
Sammy obviously believes that muslims have the right to put non-muslims to the sword, by either murdering them, or enslaving them.

Please point out where Sam has said that. I can't seem to find anything like that posted on this thread, or anything implying that either.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:59:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#301. To: FormerLurker (#285) (Edited)
Oh yeah, the story that says the earth along with the rest of the universe was created 6000 years ago, even though we can see distant galaxies 13 billion light years away (which to a reasonable person would indicate the universe is at least 13 billion years old).
Well golly shucks, I forgot about that. Hmmm, I also forgot about the contribution Judaism has given medicine, the services of a mohel...

Got it in one. Dinosaurs on the ark, the age of the universe question answered by "god created it to look old", then chinked up the holes between the logs with the mud of faith, not ever realizing there weren't even enough logs there to crucify an itinerant Jewish carpenter...
And the mohel, yes, indeed. Yup, while the Persians (with a nod to the Babylonians) were giving us al jabr, representatives of "el" were biting off the foreskins of infants.
Where would we be as a race if we were bereft of the civilizing influence of religion?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 22:02:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#302. To: abraxas (#280)
Originally, you spoke of Muslims being historically less peaceful than Christians and Jews, which is NOT true at all. Since this is your claim, why don't you cough up some historical data to validate your claim that Christianity and Judaism are historically more peaceful than Muslims?

Frankly, compared to the pacific spread of early Christian evangelism, where moral suasion was the main vehicle for propagating the faith, the first centuries of the spread of Islam were pretty riotous and chaotic, to say the least.
Of the four caliphs that succeeded Mohamed as leaders of the faithful, three were murdered (Umar Uthman and Ali) as well as Husssin the nephew of Ali. Both Ali and Hussein are revered as great Imams be the Shi'a. The Sunni disregard the great veneration in which these two and held, and this difference of opinion persists today as a legacy of the bitter conflicts that were fought in the 7th century.
The years between the death of Mohamed and the end of the first great period of conquests in north Africa and the Near East were tumultuous and riven by complex rivalries, antagonisms and warfare.
Here's a brief precis:
www.princeton.edu/~b atke/itl/denise/right.htm

randge posted on 2009-10-31 22:05:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#303. To: randge (#302)
Thanks range. : )
Yes, I agree that the split in the Muslim faith was bloody and, even today, this is true for the Sunni/Shia rift.
Christians had less killing within the different sects, but I would argue that the Christians were more willing to kill those who refused to convert. People who were not so white were dubbed heathens and savages to merit killing them. I'm sure this was deemed moral suasion at the time.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 22:16:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#304. To: abraxas (#303)
Yeah up thru the period of Pauline conversions, the Christian church lived up to the pacific example of its progenitor.
But once Christianity became a state religion - whoa hoa!
Onward Christian soldiers.

randge posted on 2009-10-31 22:21:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#305. To: randge (#304)
But once Christianity became a state religion - whoa hoa!
Onward Christian soldiers.

I was just reading something about how the British empire used Christianity as a means to steal resources, enslave and keep the people subservient to the king.
I found that the Gnostic persepective was more pacifist and true to the tenants of Christianity, of course, that was one sect that was banished since it was a threat to the political aspirations of a less individualistic and loving view of Christianity.
What is the specific time frame of the Pauline conversions? Does that tie into the demise of the Gnostics?

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 22:29:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#306. To: FormerLurker (#300)
Point to where I previously said, "believes in the right of white".

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:34:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#307. To: wbales (#297)
What's the matter, don't want to reply to my on that thread you pinged me too.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:39:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#308. To: PaulCJ (#306)
Point to where I previously said, "believes in the right of white".

Do you think you have the religious duty to kill Muslims?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 22:39:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#309. To: FormerLurker (#298)
Becoming no better than what you fear and hate makes you INTO what you fear and hate.
It makes you ONE of them actually.
You have this irrational fear of a different religion. That religion is not the problem, it is those who incite hatred and take away basic necessities from innocent people who are the problem. Look at what the Israelis have done, and are doing to the Palestinian population. Do you think that fosters good will?

Do you wish to abolish self-defense? Or should I rephrase; Do you wish to abolish self-defense when it concerns U.S. citizens defending themselves?

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:41:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#310. To: Samuel Gray (#254)
...that loon TLBShow is still posting.

He owes me money.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 22:41:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#311. To: FormerLurker (#308)
Do you think you have the religious duty to kill Muslims?

Only when it is those who seek to steal from, rape, or murder my family, friends, or myself.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:42:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#312. To: PaulCJ (#307)
What's the matter, don't want to reply to my on that thread you pinged me too.

No. I'm too afraid.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 22:49:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#313. To: FormerLurker (#286)
Have you ever heard of Sumeria? How about ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome?

Relatively speaking, progressive, thriving societies...
But no comparison to Industrial Age standards of living, creativity, and liberty for the common man.
Liberty? Well that is a subjective thing.
No it isn't.
Tell me, do you think the people of Iraq feel more free today than they did? Now that the religious police can arrest people for violating some arcane religious edict, which only started AFTER we "liberated" those people...
I don't know to WHAT degree the people Iraq feel "liberated" since the fall of Saddam...BUT that's germane to this issue because...
How about all those "liberated" people in Abu Ghraib, Bahrain, or other such wonderful places? Are they more free than before?
Don't know, don't care.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 22:50:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#314. To: PaulCJ (#309)
Are you an Israel Firster or a braindead idiot (as if it matters)?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 22:56:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#315. To: Liberator (#314)
ping to #314
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 22:58:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#316. To: randge (#302)
Frankly, compared to the pacific spread of early Christian evangelism, where moral suasion was the main vehicle for propagating the faith

Oh, you mean how all non-believers such as Jews and Gypsies were put to death, a slow agonizing death by means such as this?
10 Most Frightening Torture Techniques from the Middle Ages
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:01:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#317. To: Liberator (#313)
Don't know, don't care.

Why not?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:01:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#318. To: wbales (#314)
Are you an Israel Firster or a braindead idiot (as if it matters)?

That is a question you should ask yourself. I think "thou protest too much".

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 23:02:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#319. To: FormerLurker, Liberator (#317)
Why not?

I want to intentionally answer for Mr. liberator. He has no principles.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:04:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#320. To: PaulCJ (#311)
Only when it is those who seek to steal from, rape, or murder my family, friends, or myself.

Well that is not the same as what you said earlier. You wanted to preemptively attack a house of worship, which could have largely been filled with innocent people who had no intent of doing any of the above.
If there is but ONE criminal in a Baptist Church, should the entire church be firebombed along with everyone in it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:04:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#321. To: buckeroo, Liberator (#319)
I want to intentionally answer for Mr. liberator. He has no principles.

Let's see if he has a different answer. I'm willing to hear what he might say.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:06:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#322. To: FormerLurker (#317)
That just means he's so far in over his head that he's abandoned the argument, which he never had much of in the first place.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 23:06:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#323. To: buckeroo (#319)
I want to intentionally answer for Mr. liberator. He has no principles.

Bucky, I agree with you again.
I don't know if I can live with myself after admitting that.
LOL!

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:06:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#324. To: PaulCJ (#318)
I think "thou protest too much".

Conversely, I think not enough.

America and Americans are wholesale waking up to the Zionist threat.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 23:07:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#325. To: FormerLurker (#320)
How many times will I have to say this. You cannot reason with muslim fanatics and muslim fanatics are not afraid to die.
So a peaceful solution is out of the question because muslim fanatics cannot be reasoned with. Threat of killing them does not work because muslim fanatics do not fear death. That only leaves as the only targets against muslim fanatics, as being things that muslim fanatics care about.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 23:08:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#326. To: abraxas (#287)
As far as contrition in government for predominately Muslim states, the past 100 years have shown great strides.

Huh??
The only "strides" made by Muslim states has been the result of wealth attained as a result Western civilization's tpetro-dollars...
...Otherwise theMuslimaniacal camel-humpers would still be nothing more than nomadic Neanderthals.
The only war that Iran raged was instigated by the US and started by Iraq...
Bullsh*t.
These were two Muzzie factions doing what they do better than anyone on earth - HATING AND KILLING EACH OTHER FOR CENTRIES. They didn't need the U.S.'s help.
Iran isn't a perfect model, but it is a model of contrition over the past 600 years and Iranians have multiple cultural contributions in medicine and science during that time span.
If anything, Persia's contribution came before the year 1400 A.D.

Turkey is a parlimentary representative democracy, which is yet another historical example of Muslim contrition in the past 100 years.
Turkey is a political Muslim fluke. As to it's so called "contribution," the Ottoman Empire was one of the bloodiest indeed. Turkey's contribution in the last 100 years can best be described as, "a geo-political buffer between the USSR and US."

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:09:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#327. To: FormerLurker, Liberator (#321)
He will have an eventual answer .... but it won't consist of any reliable concepts about self-principles other than what he is spoon fed by the media.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:10:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#328. To: buckeroo (#288)
While Europe was in ruins based upon Judaic-Christian history, the Muslim world harbored the Bible in Constantinople.

"Muslim World"? You mean during the days of the Byzantine Empire?
Apparently, you don't realize how close the three religions are aligned, not just from a fundamental religious philosophy but also a historical basis.
Is this supposed to be some kind of revelation?

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:12:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#329. To: FormerLurker (#317)
Why not?

And I should care because....

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:13:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#330. To: Liberator (#329)
Why are you kissing Moldy-Lox's ass lately, pussy?
You are an embarrasment to the the human race.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:15:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#331. To: Fred Mertz (#323)
Bucky, I agree with you again.

It is my pleasure to suggest candid remarcks in a publick forum, as always. I swear, I learn all the time from others even if I don't comment. You are a good guy .... one of these days we shall all meet as in a 4um HUG in person. Let us all pray we can cordially meet within good conditions without the increasing bad conditions of this distrustful government.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:15:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#332. To: abraxas (#291)
How Christian is all of our warring to "promote democracy" and "liberate" other nations?

I never claimed it was.
Our liberties are currently under assault and you are cheerleading our track record.
Why don't you tell me what I'm "cheerleading"; You seem to know me better than myself.
If our nation is an example of Christianity, every Christian should be ashamed. Honestly, I don't see too much Christianity in action these days.
I never claimed it was; Just that the Founder principles and tenets were based on the Bible. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem - although you seem to have plenty of company.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:16:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#333. To: PaulCJ (#293)
You cannot reason with muslim fanatics and muslim fanatics are not afraid to die.

Don't tell that to this group. According to them, America would and could have been established by MOOSLEMS.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:18:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#334. To: Liberator (#326)
Seriously--how many cubicles are you from PaulCJ in the Israeli embassy?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 23:18:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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