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Title: Interesting post
Source: LP
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=276955&Disp=10#C10
Published: Oct 30, 2009
Author: Murron
Post Date: 2009-10-30 06:39:29 by randge
Keywords: None
Views: 43377
Comments: 433

81. To: AGAviator, goldi-lox (#76)
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Destro posted on 2009-10-30 03:31:02 ET Reply Trace 3. To: Goldi-Lox, out damned spot, Marguerite, mel_living, beyond the sea, yukon, domer, sneakypete, Willie Green, fitz, blackhorse, packrat1145, fitz, Blutarsky, Don, Joe Snuffy, GarySpFc, JLO, Mad Dog, Itzlzha, ALL (#1)
Destro: "The host site at http://www.inetebiz.com/ will soon act on the fact LP is a hate site, uses perveerted language and images and members advocating the violent overthrow of the government, promoting racism, etc. No ISP that would want to be associated with that."

63. To: Destro (#40)
Destro: "I am getting this website banned from public access computers like in libraries because of it."
A Pole: "Do you mean that I will lose my library access to LP? "
A Pole posted on 2009-10-29 10:00:53 ET Reply Trace

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A very social democrat, no?
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#338. To: Liberator (#328)
"Muslim World"?

Yeah .. the piles of scientists, artists and philosophers besides intellects that saved the Christian documents from the Holy Wars.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:20:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#339. To: Fred Mertz (#336)
That is NOT the way I plan to meet. Sorry about your loss.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:23:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#340. To: FormerLurker (#295)
If anything, the early church destroyed as much knowledge as possible, burning the Library of Alexandria, killing people who held different beliefs, and setting back science a thousand years or so. That's why it was called the Dark Ages.

Christianity is 2000 years old. In the course of those 2000 years the good by far outweighed the bad.
Now why don't you tell us all about the rape, plunder, death and destruction sponsored by the Death Cult, aka Islam?
...burning the Library of Alexandria...Science [was] set back "a thousand years or so..."
Pure horsesh*t and conjecture.
Look at the persecution Galileo and others like him suffered. Luckily, science advanced in SPITE of religion, not BECAUSE of it.
The Vatican was very oppressive at times.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:24:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#341. To: Fred Mertz (#336)
Fred, I'm so sorry to hear this. : (

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 23:24:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#342. To: buckeroo (#339)
It was a tough day. I had to let someone know and it was you.
Sorry about that.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:25:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#343. To: PaulCJ, Liberator (#325)
You cannot reason with muslim fanatics and muslim fanatics are not afraid to die.
Why then do you insist on MAKING them fanatics by killing their families, taking their land, and generally pissing on their heads?
So a peaceful solution is out of the question because muslim fanatics cannot be reasoned with.
Have you ever TRIED to reason with someone over there in the Middle East? When's the last time you were there?
You're full of hot air Paul, along with a lot of self righteousness that has no foundation in fact.
That only leaves as the only targets against muslim fanatics, as being things that muslim fanatics care about.
Seems to me that YOU are the fanatic here. Have you seen any church bombings lately? Even these so-called Muslim fanatics haven't sunken to that level, yet you are perfectly ok with doing it to them.
Hypocrite.
You AND Liberator, both of you.
How about you Liberator, are you ready to go blow up some kids in a mosque?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:25:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#344. To: Fred Mertz (#336)
A beautiful 39 year-old womam blew her brains out last weekend. No one knows why.

So very sad. Our entire society and culture is gone. We are bankrupt financailly and, more critically, morally.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 23:25:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#345. To: abraxas (#341)
She was so friendly and everyone liked her. It shocked us all.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:27:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#346. To: FormerLurker (#343)
Hypocrite.
You AND Liberator, both of you.
How about you Liberator, are you ready to go blow up some kids in a mosque?

Therein lies their ultimate hypocrisy. They wholeheartedly cheer on death and destruction when it's brought by someone besides them.
They both lack the sack to 'get in the game.'

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 23:28:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#347. To: Fred Mertz (#345)

Did she have any children? Hope you don't mind my asking. I'm a sap who always thinks of the children.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 23:29:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#348. To: Liberator (#340)
In the course of those 2000 years the good by far outweighed the bad.
Now why don't you tell us all about the rape, plunder, death and destruction sponsored by the Death Cult, aka Islam?

Why don't you tell us about that little 15 year old girl raped by a bunch of your bros over there in Californification land, you know, the girl who was gang raped over 2 and half hours by nice church going Christian folk.
Sure, Muslims have issues with rape in Europe, thing is, the European governments bend over backwards to kiss their asses. Treat them as the animals they are, lock them up in prison, and show them no mercy.
Those who find that behavior appropriate will find out quick that it is NOT appropriate, but it seems they are being ENCOURAGED to act that way by the kid glove treatment they are receiving by those European governments.
I don't think you can lump ALL of Islam into that group however, just as you can't lump ALL Christians into the category of low-life gang rapists just because SOME of them ARE.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:31:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#349. To: Liberator (#340)
Christianity is 2000 years old. In the course of those 2000 years the good by far outweighed the bad.

Are you saying that while the Spanish Inquisition bloodbath occurred you have the audacity to lick a drop of blood around the world? How about the strappings in the New_World, unmercifully destroying entire cultures and even into the modern era of raping and pillaging in the Philipines, spreading the word of God?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:31:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#350. To: wbales (#297)
See my tagline.

I guess it's all about "the joos." (yawn)
When you type "Muslims are out to take over the United States and the world" or some such similar tripe, I, and most here at 4um, see "I am an f-ing braindead idiot."
When you type "We need to worry about China, not Israel." or some such similar tripe, I, and most here at 4um, see "I am an Israel First traitor to America."
Curious: Do you hunt and peck when you type your incoherent drivel?
This forum is neither FR nor LP.
Thanks for the update, Sparky.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:31:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#351. To: abraxas (#347)
She has a son who just came back from Iraq or Afghanistan...Army
She has two daughters...about 10 and 12...I'll send you a PM with a link to the funeral home. The parking lot wasn't big enough.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:33:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#352. To: buckeroo (#349)
If you prefer to self-flagellate your heritage and cherry-pick the worst of it, that's your problem.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:34:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#353. To: Liberator (#340)
Christianity is 2000 years old. In the course of those 2000 years the good by far outweighed the bad.

How swiftly your perspective would change if you were one of the heathens or savages killed for not being Christian.
What is all this good by Christianity anyway? People allowing empire to rampage all around the world? What "good" in the name of Christianity outweighs the crusades and the indian genocide?

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 23:35:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#354. To: FormerLurker (#348)
I don't think you can lump ALL of Islam into that group however, just as you can't lump ALL Christians into the category of low-life gang rapists just because SOME of them ARE.

Gee, thanks for your magnanimous impartiality.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:35:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#355. To: Fred Mertz (#351)
Oh, Fred, that breaks my heart. Three children.......I can't for the life of me understand how a mom could make that choice.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 23:36:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#356. To: Liberator (#340)
Christianity is 2000 years old. In the course of those 2000 years the good by far outweighed the bad.

It's really only since religion lost control of government that science has florished in recent centuries. Many important mathematical concepts and theorems came PRIOR to Chistianity, as well as such things as geometry and astronomy. Irrigation, government, construction of cities, knowledge of the planets, stars, and the earth's rotation around the sun were known to the Sumerians, pre-dating Egypt by several thousand years.
In the Dark Ages, the Church taught that the earth was the center of the universe, and that the sun along with everything else in the sky revolved around it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:37:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#357. To: Liberator (#352)
and cherry-pick the worst of it, that's your problem.

And the fact that Jews and agnostics (both) murdered the Messiah .... and you sit there on your computer believing that Christians/Jews alike are nice people to have cookies and tea with playing with Bibles. And Muslims are the bad guys? Who are you kidding, pal?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:39:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#358. To: abraxas (#353)
You're right; Christianity is bad and Muslim is good. Or maybe there's no real difference, right?
Here's your new tagline:
"'Diversity is our strength' - especially if it's Islam instead of Christian'

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:40:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#359. To: Liberator (#350)
Your tagline gif or whatever isn't working.

In the meantime, I'll assume a waving Israeli flag.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 23:40:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#360. To: abraxas (#355)
It breaks my heart too.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:40:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#361. To: Fred Mertz (#345)
Really sad to hear that Fred. My condolences to her family.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:42:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#362. To: buckeroo (#357)
And Muslims are the bad guys? Who are you kidding, pal?

Another Islamophile? Wow. What's that - about five on this thread?
Yeah - Islam IS the "Religion of Peace," huh Buckerino?
Don't blame me; Blame your pharmacist for your delusions.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:44:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#363. To: wbales (#359)
I'll assume a waving Israeli flag.

You do that, Gomer.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:45:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#364. To: buckeroo, Liberator (#357) (Edited)
And the fact that Jews and agnostics (both) murdered the Messiah ....

Not just that, but it was the ROMANS who crucified Him (in respect for those who believe him to BE what they believe).
Thing is, it is the ROMANS who CREATED the New Testament and founded the western Christian Church, aka the Roman Catholic Church. Why would one believe the words of those who killed him?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:45:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#365. To: FormerLurker (#316)
Frankly, compared to the pacific spread of early Christian evangelism, where moral suasion was the main vehicle for propagating the faith

No, really. The first couple of hundred years of underground religion were remarkably peaceful.
No one will deny that Christians often proved themselves beasts once Christianity became a state religion.
When the First Crusade finally took Jerusalem all, including Christians, were put to the sword. The stories of Christian brutality are legion.

randge posted on 2009-10-31 23:46:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#366. To: Liberator (#362)
Yeah - Islam IS the "Religion of Peace,"

Where have I promoted any religion? All I am saying is you are full of bloated excrement claiming Christianity is anything about GOD. Ever hear of Charlemagne?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:50:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#367. To: Liberator (#340)
Pure horsesh*t and conjecture.

From Wiki;

Decree of Theodosius, destruction by Theophilus in 391

In 391, Christian Emperor Theodosius I ordered the destruction of all "pagan" (non-Christian) temples, and the Christian Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria complied with this request.[20]
Socrates Scholasticus provides the following account of the destruction of the temples in Alexandria in the fifth book of his Historia Ecclesiastica, written around 440:
“ At the solicitation of Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, the Emperor issued an order at this time for the demolition of the heathen temples in that city; commanding also that it should be put in execution under the direction of Theophilus. Seizing this opportunity, Theophilus exerted himself to the utmost to expose the pagan mysteries to contempt. And to begin with, he caused the Mithreum to be cleaned out, and exhibited to public view the tokens of its bloody mysteries. Then he destroyed the Serapeum, and the bloody rites of the Mithreum he publicly caricatured; the Serapeum also he showed full of extravagant superstitions, and he had the phalli of Priapus carried through the midst of the forum. Thus this disturbance having been terminated, the governor of Alexandria, and the commander-in-chief of the troops in Egypt, assisted Theophilus in demolishing the heathen temples. ”
The Mithraeum was an underground temple for worship of the god Mithras. Hundreds of such temples have been discovered throughout Europe, northern Africa, the Near East, and Great Britain.
The Serapeum once housed part of the Great Library, but it is not known how many, if any, books were contained in it at the time of destruction. Notably, the passage by Socrates Scholasticus, unlike that of Ammianus Marcellinus, makes no clear reference to a library or library contents being destroyed, only to religious objects being destroyed. The pagan author Eunapius of Sardis witnessed the demolition, and though he detested Christians, and was a scholar, his account of the Serapeum's destruction makes no mention of any library. Paulus Orosius admitted in the sixth book of his History against the pagans:
“ Today there exist in temples book chests which we ourselves have seen, and, when these temples were plundered, these, we are told, were emptied by our own men in our time, which, indeed, is a true statement. ”
However, Orosius is not here discussing the Serapeum, nor is it clear who "our own men" are (the phrase may mean no more than "men of our time," since we know from contemporary sources that pagans also occasionally plundered temples).
As for the Museum, Mostafa El-Abbadi writes in Life and Fate of the Ancient Library of Alexandria (Paris 1992):
“ The Mouseion, being at the same time a 'shrine of the Muses', enjoyed a degree of sanctity as long as other pagan temples remained unmolested. Synesius of Cyrene, who studied under Hypatia at the end of the fourth century, saw the Mouseion and described the images of the philosophers in it. We have no later reference to its existence in the fifth century. As Theon, the distinguished mathematician and father of Hypatia, herself a renowned scholar, was the last recorded scholar-member (c. 380), it is likely that the Mouseion did not long survive the promulgation of Theodosius' decree in 391 to destroy all pagan temples in the city. ”
John Julius Norwich, in his work Byzantium: The Early Centuries, places the destruction of the library's collection during the anti-Arian riots in Alexandria that transpired after the imperial decree of 391 (p.314).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:51:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#368. To: randge (#365)
No, really. The first couple of hundred years of underground religion were remarkably peaceful.

Look up the history between Paul and James. Find what happened between Rome and the Essenes. Jesus was an Essene, and so was James along with all of the REAL disciples, which doesn't include Paul.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:53:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#369. To: FormerLurker (#367) (Edited)
Psst ... Liberator is freely librating on his/her plastic glue, tonight.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:56:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#370. To: Liberator (#340)
The Vatican was very oppressive at times.

The Vatican IS the origin of modern Christianity, ie. IT created the book which ALL western Christian religions accept as the word of God Himself.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:57:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#371. To: FormerLurker (#368)
Yes, I've heard those stories. It's really hard to tell if the murder of James and his followers is fact or fiction.
What followed was generally non-violent and something like the spread of Buddhist teachings in the Far East.

randge posted on 2009-11-01 0:00:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#372. To: randge (#371)
The murder of James is pretty much historical fact I think.
In terms of Paul, he announced himself an apostle AFTER Jesus' death, and AFTER he had ALREADY persecuted his followers. He was an agent of Rome.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:05:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#373. To: randge (#371) (Edited)
My view is that the Roman Catholic Church was created by the Roman Empire in its death throes in order to regain power and consolidate its forces across Europe.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:10:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#374. To: FormerLurker (#372)
I had a cousin who very much wanted to convert me to Pauline, Trinitarian belief. All his life, in fact. He's gone now.
We kind of parted ways over those books of Paul. Even when I was a kid, it seemed to me that there were a whole lot of notions in them that didn't square with the Gospels.
These threads drive me nuts, BTW.

randge posted on 2009-11-01 0:11:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#375. To: randge (#371) (Edited)
Here's a very interesting essay and has some good info, if you wish to find out more...
ESSENE CHRISTIANITY VERSUS PAULIANITY
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:12:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#376. To: FormerLurker (#372)
The murder of James is pretty much historical fact I think.

What I meant to say was I was having trouble with the stories that it was a Pauline faction rather than the Sanhedrin that were responsible for the death of James.

randge posted on 2009-11-01 0:14:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#377. To: randge (#374)
BTW, virtually everything that is said in that essay can be verified through exhaustive web searches or trips to the library.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:16:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#378. To: FormerLurker (#343)
Why then do you insist on MAKING them fanatics by killing their families, taking their land, and generally pissing on their heads?

They are already brainwashed fanatics.

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Decree of Theodosius, destruction by Theophilus in 391