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Title: Interesting post
Source: LP
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=276955&Disp=10#C10
Published: Oct 30, 2009
Author: Murron
Post Date: 2009-10-30 06:39:29 by randge
Keywords: None
Views: 43030
Comments: 433

81. To: AGAviator, goldi-lox (#76)
The host site at http://www.inetebiz.com/ will soon act on the fact LP is a hate site, uses perveerted language and images and members advocating the violent overthrow of the government, promoting racism, etc.
No ISP that would want to be associated with that.

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Destro posted on 2009-10-30 03:31:02 ET Reply Trace 3. To: Goldi-Lox, out damned spot, Marguerite, mel_living, beyond the sea, yukon, domer, sneakypete, Willie Green, fitz, blackhorse, packrat1145, fitz, Blutarsky, Don, Joe Snuffy, GarySpFc, JLO, Mad Dog, Itzlzha, ALL (#1)
Destro: "The host site at http://www.inetebiz.com/ will soon act on the fact LP is a hate site, uses perveerted language and images and members advocating the violent overthrow of the government, promoting racism, etc. No ISP that would want to be associated with that."

63. To: Destro (#40)
Destro: "I am getting this website banned from public access computers like in libraries because of it."
A Pole: "Do you mean that I will lose my library access to LP? "
A Pole posted on 2009-10-29 10:00:53 ET Reply Trace

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A very social democrat, no?
Or was it a christian democrat?
I forget which.
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#361. To: Fred Mertz (#345)
Really sad to hear that Fred. My condolences to her family.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:42:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#362. To: buckeroo (#357)
And Muslims are the bad guys? Who are you kidding, pal?

Another Islamophile? Wow. What's that - about five on this thread?
Yeah - Islam IS the "Religion of Peace," huh Buckerino?
Don't blame me; Blame your pharmacist for your delusions.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:44:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#363. To: wbales (#359)
I'll assume a waving Israeli flag.

You do that, Gomer.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:45:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#364. To: buckeroo, Liberator (#357) (Edited)
And the fact that Jews and agnostics (both) murdered the Messiah ....

Not just that, but it was the ROMANS who crucified Him (in respect for those who believe him to BE what they believe).
Thing is, it is the ROMANS who CREATED the New Testament and founded the western Christian Church, aka the Roman Catholic Church. Why would one believe the words of those who killed him?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:45:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#365. To: FormerLurker (#316)
Frankly, compared to the pacific spread of early Christian evangelism, where moral suasion was the main vehicle for propagating the faith

No, really. The first couple of hundred years of underground religion were remarkably peaceful.
No one will deny that Christians often proved themselves beasts once Christianity became a state religion.
When the First Crusade finally took Jerusalem all, including Christians, were put to the sword. The stories of Christian brutality are legion.

randge posted on 2009-10-31 23:46:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#366. To: Liberator (#362)
Yeah - Islam IS the "Religion of Peace,"

Where have I promoted any religion? All I am saying is you are full of bloated excrement claiming Christianity is anything about GOD. Ever hear of Charlemagne?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:50:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#367. To: Liberator (#340)
Pure horsesh*t and conjecture.

From Wiki;

Decree of Theodosius, destruction by Theophilus in 391

In 391, Christian Emperor Theodosius I ordered the destruction of all "pagan" (non-Christian) temples, and the Christian Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria complied with this request.[20]
Socrates Scholasticus provides the following account of the destruction of the temples in Alexandria in the fifth book of his Historia Ecclesiastica, written around 440:
“ At the solicitation of Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, the Emperor issued an order at this time for the demolition of the heathen temples in that city; commanding also that it should be put in execution under the direction of Theophilus. Seizing this opportunity, Theophilus exerted himself to the utmost to expose the pagan mysteries to contempt. And to begin with, he caused the Mithreum to be cleaned out, and exhibited to public view the tokens of its bloody mysteries. Then he destroyed the Serapeum, and the bloody rites of the Mithreum he publicly caricatured; the Serapeum also he showed full of extravagant superstitions, and he had the phalli of Priapus carried through the midst of the forum. Thus this disturbance having been terminated, the governor of Alexandria, and the commander-in-chief of the troops in Egypt, assisted Theophilus in demolishing the heathen temples. ”
The Mithraeum was an underground temple for worship of the god Mithras. Hundreds of such temples have been discovered throughout Europe, northern Africa, the Near East, and Great Britain.
The Serapeum once housed part of the Great Library, but it is not known how many, if any, books were contained in it at the time of destruction. Notably, the passage by Socrates Scholasticus, unlike that of Ammianus Marcellinus, makes no clear reference to a library or library contents being destroyed, only to religious objects being destroyed. The pagan author Eunapius of Sardis witnessed the demolition, and though he detested Christians, and was a scholar, his account of the Serapeum's destruction makes no mention of any library. Paulus Orosius admitted in the sixth book of his History against the pagans:
“ Today there exist in temples book chests which we ourselves have seen, and, when these temples were plundered, these, we are told, were emptied by our own men in our time, which, indeed, is a true statement. ”
However, Orosius is not here discussing the Serapeum, nor is it clear who "our own men" are (the phrase may mean no more than "men of our time," since we know from contemporary sources that pagans also occasionally plundered temples).
As for the Museum, Mostafa El-Abbadi writes in Life and Fate of the Ancient Library of Alexandria (Paris 1992):
“ The Mouseion, being at the same time a 'shrine of the Muses', enjoyed a degree of sanctity as long as other pagan temples remained unmolested. Synesius of Cyrene, who studied under Hypatia at the end of the fourth century, saw the Mouseion and described the images of the philosophers in it. We have no later reference to its existence in the fifth century. As Theon, the distinguished mathematician and father of Hypatia, herself a renowned scholar, was the last recorded scholar-member (c. 380), it is likely that the Mouseion did not long survive the promulgation of Theodosius' decree in 391 to destroy all pagan temples in the city. ”
John Julius Norwich, in his work Byzantium: The Early Centuries, places the destruction of the library's collection during the anti-Arian riots in Alexandria that transpired after the imperial decree of 391 (p.314).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:51:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#368. To: randge (#365)
No, really. The first couple of hundred years of underground religion were remarkably peaceful.

Look up the history between Paul and James. Find what happened between Rome and the Essenes. Jesus was an Essene, and so was James along with all of the REAL disciples, which doesn't include Paul.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:53:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#369. To: FormerLurker (#367) (Edited)
Psst ... Liberator is freely librating on his/her plastic glue, tonight.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:56:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#370. To: Liberator (#340)
The Vatican was very oppressive at times.

The Vatican IS the origin of modern Christianity, ie. IT created the book which ALL western Christian religions accept as the word of God Himself.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:57:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#371. To: FormerLurker (#368)
Yes, I've heard those stories. It's really hard to tell if the murder of James and his followers is fact or fiction.
What followed was generally non-violent and something like the spread of Buddhist teachings in the Far East.

randge posted on 2009-11-01 0:00:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#372. To: randge (#371)
The murder of James is pretty much historical fact I think.
In terms of Paul, he announced himself an apostle AFTER Jesus' death, and AFTER he had ALREADY persecuted his followers. He was an agent of Rome.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:05:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#373. To: randge (#371) (Edited)
My view is that the Roman Catholic Church was created by the Roman Empire in its death throes in order to regain power and consolidate its forces across Europe.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:10:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#374. To: FormerLurker (#372)
I had a cousin who very much wanted to convert me to Pauline, Trinitarian belief. All his life, in fact. He's gone now.
We kind of parted ways over those books of Paul. Even when I was a kid, it seemed to me that there were a whole lot of notions in them that didn't square with the Gospels.
These threads drive me nuts, BTW.

randge posted on 2009-11-01 0:11:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#375. To: randge (#371) (Edited)
Here's a very interesting essay and has some good info, if you wish to find out more...
ESSENE CHRISTIANITY VERSUS PAULIANITY
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:12:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#376. To: FormerLurker (#372)
The murder of James is pretty much historical fact I think.

What I meant to say was I was having trouble with the stories that it was a Pauline faction rather than the Sanhedrin that were responsible for the death of James.

randge posted on 2009-11-01 0:14:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#377. To: randge (#374)
BTW, virtually everything that is said in that essay can be verified through exhaustive web searches or trips to the library.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:16:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#378. To: FormerLurker (#343)
Why then do you insist on MAKING them fanatics by killing their families, taking their land, and generally pissing on their heads?

They are already brainwashed fanatics.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 2:22:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#379. To: wbales (#324)
America and Americans are wholesale waking up to the Zionist threat.

Though, you are making it sound like it is the ONLY threat to the U.S.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 2:24:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#380. To: Liberator (#358)
You're right; Christianity is bad and Muslim is good. Or maybe there's no real difference, right?

Oh, brother. You are the one spewing how "good" Christianity has been for all of the world. I merely asked you to back your smack, but you simply can't. My position throughout this thread is that Islam, Christianity and Judiasm are equally destructive, albiet selective in who the kill in the name of the faith. My contention has been that not one of the three is more or less peaceful than the other and you have offered nada, zip, zilch to counter this contention.
You offer not one shred of historical evidence to back your position that Christianity and Judaism are more peaceful and have contributed so much more culturally to this world. All of the branches of Abe have a good deal of blood on their hands, only you like to pretend that one is so much more bloody than the other, despite the fact that history deems this notion moot.
You are the one pissing on yourself in fear over the Muslims, not me. It's obvious that you offer solutions to what you deem a problem by delving into the same line of thinking as a fundie Muslim hell bent to taking out infidels. You are also about as compassionate as one would be and as arrogant. Guess there's some truth in people becoming what they fear..... And you wonder why I don't have higher expectations for those who deem themselves to be Christians? You give no reason to put Christains on a pedestal above any other faith, Lib.

abraxas posted on 2009-11-01 2:27:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#381. To: PaulCJ (#378)
They are already brainwashed fanatics.

I deem you an already brainwashed fanatic which you have actually demonstrated on this thread and since you have posted you have a farm somewhere I'm coming to get it. I won't piss on your head though.

mininggold posted on 2009-11-01 12:18:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#382. To: PaulCJ (#378)
They are already brainwashed fanatics.

Any more so than yourself?
I've worked with a few guys who were from Pakistan, in fact, I used to go out drinking and shoot pool with one of them. He certainly didn't seem like the sort of person who'd go blow up a church, unlike you.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 12:59:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#383. To: mininggold (#381)
I deem you an already brainwashed fanatic which you have actually demonstrated on this thread and since you have posted you have a farm somewhere I'm coming to get it. I won't piss on your head though.

A brainwashed fanatic would not have said, if you have a better solution, I am listening.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 13:47:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#384. To: FormerLurker (#382)
Any more so than yourself?

Hey, I am open to other options, besides surrender, just no one has stated any solutions. They just complain and insult.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 13:48:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#385. To: PaulCJ (#384)
Why don't you just start your own thread on this idiotic subject. This one was supposed to be about how f'ed up Goldi and her Klan of K00ks is.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-11-01 13:53:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#386. To: Samuel Gray (#385)
Why don't you just start your own thread on this idiotic subject. This one was supposed to be about how f'ed up Goldi and her Klan of K00ks is.

If someone tried to shutdown you, you would be pissed too.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 13:58:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#387. To: PaulCJ (#386)
If someone tried to shutdown you, you would be pissed too.

They're too stupid to know that what they're doing is wrong. They're piss- ignorant and proud, sort of like you.
I solved your problem, by the way. Let's just kill everything that scares you.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-11-01 14:00:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#388. To: Samuel Gray (#387)
They're too stupid to know that what they're doing is wrong.

You need to look in the mirror.
Destro on LP insulted the U.S., the U.S. population, the U.S. government. He insulted anything U.S. He did this for over TWO YEARS. When he realized that no one was listening to him, he started trying to get ISPs to block LP based on lies. That is when Goldi banned him from LP.
Mark my words, Destro will someday try to do the same on Freedom4um, then we will see how much you feel like defending him.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 14:15:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#389. To: PaulCJ (#388) (Edited)
Paulie, Paulie, Paulie...the world is full of boogeyman and you're just a scared little boy.
So far, you've only managed to 'recruit' Littlebaby to your war on Islam. Good luck with that.
Destro was poking at the k00ks, which is a hilarious pastime, and they absolutely cannot take it when you do it. And LP is a 'hate site'. Just now saw someone over there calling on people to play "cowboys and niggers." Wanna put a positive spin on that?
Nothing in that post he made was a lie about LP. Their own database will bear that out. And anyone can report any site they feel has questionable content if that site may potentially be viewed on public computers. That's what "abuse@whoever.net" buttons were invented for. Goldi and the kooks, however, reacted in such a knee-jerk way that it revealed that they're very afraid of that happening. What's the silly twat going to do, sue everyone who gives LP a negative review somewhere on the web?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-11-01 14:23:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#390. To: PaulCJ (#383) (Edited)
A brainwashed fanatic would not have said, if you have a better solution, I am listening

You've been offered solutions which require YOU to analyze YOUR own motives, but as usual you prefer to hijack the thread with your alleged neediness. Goldi would be sooooo proud. lolol.

mininggold posted on 2009-11-01 14:35:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#391. To: PaulCJ, Destro (#388)
You need to look in the mirror.
Destro on LP insulted the U.S., the U.S. population, the U.S. government. He insulted anything U.S. He did this for over TWO YEARS. When he realized that no one was listening to him, he started trying to get ISPs to block LP based on lies. That is when Goldi banned him from LP.
Mark my words, Destro will someday try to do the same on Freedom4um, then we will see how much you feel like defending him.

Destro is just a provocateur. lolol

mininggold posted on 2009-11-01 14:41:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#392. To: mininggold (#390)
You've been offered solutions

Please list the solutions offered in this thread.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 14:49:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#393. To: Samuel Gray (#389)
Paulie, Paulie, Paulie...the world is full of boogeyman and you're just a scared little boy.

Sammy, Sammy, Sammy... the most of the rest of the world wants to destroy the U.S., while you choose to have your head in the sand.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 14:50:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#394. To: PaulCJ (#393)
..... the rest of the world wants to destroy the U.S., while you choose to have your head in the sand.

ROTFL ....
The USA has the largest defense budget of any other nation; in fact adding all other nation's defense expenditures collectively ( exceptions: Russia and China ) doesn't rival the USA. Only the USA has shown aggression around the world by promoting the media lie: keeping peace while creating turmoil.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-11-01 14:56:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#395. To: buckeroo (#394)
The USA has the largest defense budget of any other nation;

That is not factoring in the inflation of the U.S. dollar.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 14:59:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#396. To: PaulCJ (#395)
Prove your hypothesis by realistic resource data methods.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-11-01 15:01:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#397. To: buckeroo (#396) (Edited)
Prove your hypothesis by realistic resource data methods.

Just look at the value of gold to the U.S. dollar compared at present day to 20 years ago.
By the way, you have not posted your source, nor the hard financial numbers.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 15:05:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#398. To: PaulCJ (#395) (Edited)
Here, I will start .....

Get the picture? Now, who is picking on the USA?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-11-01 15:05:35 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#399. To: PaulCJ (#393)
Paul: kill yourself. It's a brilliantly simple solution. You choose the means and terms of your departure, those bothersome ol' Moose-slims don't get to torture and watch you wet your underoos and cry like a baby.
Get right on that. Those Muslims are relentless and they are coming for YOU!

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-11-01 15:06:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#400. To: Samuel Gray (#399)
Paul: kill yourself.

You should lead by example. You go first.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 15:56:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#401. To: PaulCJ (#400)
No thanks. Life's too short as it is, and I'm not really scared of anything unless people who think like you do suddenly become a majority.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-11-01 15:57:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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