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Title: Interesting post
Source: LP
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=276955&Disp=10#C10
Published: Oct 30, 2009
Author: Murron
Post Date: 2009-10-30 06:39:29 by randge
Keywords: None
Views: 42662
Comments: 433

81. To: AGAviator, goldi-lox (#76)
The host site at http://www.inetebiz.com/ will soon act on the fact LP is a hate site, uses perveerted language and images and members advocating the violent overthrow of the government, promoting racism, etc.
No ISP that would want to be associated with that.

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Destro posted on 2009-10-30 03:31:02 ET Reply Trace 3. To: Goldi-Lox, out damned spot, Marguerite, mel_living, beyond the sea, yukon, domer, sneakypete, Willie Green, fitz, blackhorse, packrat1145, fitz, Blutarsky, Don, Joe Snuffy, GarySpFc, JLO, Mad Dog, Itzlzha, ALL (#1)
Destro: "The host site at http://www.inetebiz.com/ will soon act on the fact LP is a hate site, uses perveerted language and images and members advocating the violent overthrow of the government, promoting racism, etc. No ISP that would want to be associated with that."

63. To: Destro (#40)
Destro: "I am getting this website banned from public access computers like in libraries because of it."
A Pole: "Do you mean that I will lose my library access to LP? "
A Pole posted on 2009-10-29 10:00:53 ET Reply Trace

Click for Full Text!

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A very social democrat, no?
Or was it a christian democrat?
I forget which.
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#1. To: randge (#0)
I am getting this website banned from public access computers like in libraries because of it.

There are workarounds for that problem. If that ever happens to forum, we can fix it. :)
Let me get this straight.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo
Critter posted on 2009-10-30 7:04:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Critter (#1)
I dunno about workarounds or reacharounds or whatever, and I don't spend much time in libraries.
It just makes you wonder about other venues certain posters might rat a forum out.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 7:08:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: randge (#2)
I was researching ways to encrypt websites and discovered software that does that with the side benefit that it also defeats website blocking software. It's cheap enough. I would donate it to forum if it were needed.
Let me get this straight.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo
Critter posted on 2009-10-30 7:26:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Critter (#3)
So what do you think of stool pigeons, not to put too fine a point on it?

randge posted on 2009-10-30 7:27:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: randge (#4)
What do I think of them? I can't really say on an open forum. ;)
Let me get this straight.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo
Critter posted on 2009-10-30 7:34:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: randge (#0)
LOL!
Too late, LP has been on a black list for at least 4 years now.
I told Goldi this news and she immediately plugged up her ears, accused me of bashing her people, and banned me.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2009-10-30 7:38:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: RickyJ (#6)
Badge of honor.
Goldi is erratic and hysterical. Her attitude infects the whole forum. It's understandable as the walls are closing in around her and the rest of them over there.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 8:03:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: RickyJ (#6)
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=276955&Disp=10#C10

Sorry: This Article does not exist! It either does not yet exist, or has been deleted!

Like I said: hysteria.
Compounded by paranoia.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 9:46:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: RickyJ (#6)
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Eric Stratton posted on 2009-10-30 10:37:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: RickyJ (#6)
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Eric Stratton posted on 2009-10-30 10:38:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Eric Stratton (#10)
You may have problems with a forum or forum members, but do you rat them out to the libraries?

randge posted on 2009-10-30 10:40:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: randge (#11)
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Eric Stratton posted on 2009-10-30 10:46:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: randge (#11)
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Eric Stratton posted on 2009-10-30 10:48:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Eric Stratton (#10)
any forum with any significant traffic that is.

Her Alexa ratings are in the tank, hell, even Storm Front is ranked way higher. Traffic was down like 40 percent in the last couple of months.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 10:52:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Eric Stratton (#12)
You've said a mouthful there, brother.
It's all over but the shouting, as they say. Might as well get your wick in before everything comes unglued.
Hell for leather. Give a damn.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 10:52:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: randge (#7) (Edited)
Goldi is erratic and hysterical.

She said her site was not racist but then allows idiots like fifty yardline/paddock and his other 50 assorted psuedoyms(sic) to keep posting threads from stormfront affiliated sites. She does not even make an effort to delete the threads when numerous decent posters over there ping her to remove them. HMMMMM......

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-30 10:58:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Samuel Gray (#14) (Edited)
Traffic was down like 40 percent in the last couple of months.

People are finally realizing the birthers are kooks and have stopped following those threads.

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-30 11:00:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Eric Stratton (#12)
I've often thought about quitting posting altogether as it doesn't sync with the otherwise very low-e-profile that I maintain otherwise. I simply think it's too late to do any good so I may as well get the pound of flesh that no doubt I'll be paying for with my life one way or another in the mid-term future.

i agree. if we allow them to intimidate us at this point, they win without resistance. the more of us who resist, the harder it will be for them. we should not all lie down.

christine posted on 2009-10-30 11:02:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Pinguinite (#3)
ping to Critter's

christine posted on 2009-10-30 11:03:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: belmontconservative (#16)
moldi box quoted her site was not racist but then allows idiots like fifty yardline/paddock and his other 50 assorted psuedoyms(sic) to keep posting threads from stormfront affiliated sites. She does not even make an effort to delete the threads when numerous posters ping her. HMMMMM......
moldi is a nut and a kook.

And what the hell is she talking about going to court over, exactly? Suing someone for telling the truth about LP?
She leases 'space' from a host to run Liberty Post, and if she violates their terms of service, they can give her the boot.
It's not like even a cursory examination wouldn't bear out every allegation.
Sure does seem to have the hive stirred up, though.
Her k00kery doesn't allow her to figure out that anyone can figure out which ISP hosts that site in about 30 seconds and send off an email to alert them to alleged abuse.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 11:04:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: belmontconservative (#16)
The only thing I disagree with you about on this is the use of the word "numerous" as an estimated quantity of decent posters remaining there.
It would be an interesting expenditure of a few hours on a snowy day sometime to take a 24 hour period and plot the posting frequency, etc. If you shut down yukon, it's a ghost town.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 11:07:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: christine. all (#18)
Our information is out there.
So far today, I've received birthday good wishes via email from a car dealership, texasguntalk.com and my dentist.

Lod posted on 2009-10-30 11:13:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: christine, Critter (#19)
I think the time for encryption is well overdue. It's well established that the feds are snooping into everything everywhere, and unlike the old days when basic telephone calls were considered a private communications medium even though they were not the least bit encrypted, courts now claim that digital communications are NOT afforded the same rights.
At this point, all internet traffic should be encrypted. It's as simple as that.

Pinguinite posted on 2009-10-30 11:21:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Destro (#0) (Edited)
Destro: "I am getting this website banned from public access computers like in libraries because of it."

hey, Destro, what's up with that?

christine posted on 2009-10-30 11:30:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: randge, all (#0)
Goldi's response thread:
Our "former" poster, Destro has made threats against LP.
He is unhappy that this website allows Free Speech, and that we are not groveling at the new Fuhrer's feet.
I'm reminded of the quote from Sam Adams:

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. In his spite and anger, he wants retribution on LP for being FREE, and operating under the First Amendment which guarantees Free Speech.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First: Our previous poster has stated we are calling for Right Wing violence.
No one has made any threats of violence against anyone in public office. In fact, as appalled as we are over the infringements being made on our Constitution, we have only called for our Tea Party friends to protest louder.
To prevent violence I've asked for people to stand guard, unarmed, to protect a man who has been shot at by left wing radicals; Lou Dobbs.
Second:
As citizens, it is our DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to ensure that our elected officials operate within the bounds of the Constitution. We do that by watching them. By questioning their actions, and making those actions public for commentary to ensure that they represent us.
If they do not, we are obligated to vote them out of office. THAT is removal.
If they commit high crimes and misdemeanors, they are called out for Impeachment and Removal.
If they are not eligible to hold the office, there is not reason why they can't be escorted out by the Secret Service as a trespasser.
NONE of those actions is physically threatening to anyone. Not one bit of violence is stated or condoned.
THAT is our system.
We operate within it.
----------------
Third:
It is the policy of this website that any threats of violence to a specific person are removed, and the person banned.
It is our understanding that the Federal Government is watching over comments made on the Internet, and will act on any threats made. One made in jest years ago got a visit from the Govt within the hour of the comment (which was removed).
Fourth, and finally:
A clear obvious "Threat" has been made against this website's viability.
Everyone here who has posted or who has donated funds is a part owner in the viability of something we have all created and participated in. Everyone of us has shared their intelligence, and thereby invested in the stored words posted here.
If this threat is carried out, I intend to institute a lawsuit against him and whoever is behind him. I will ask for a VERY large sum of money, sue him with libel, and ask for monetary damages for all of us. I would like to know who would be a part of that lawsuit against him.
This is not a game.
Our nation is sinking rapidly into socialism, and soon into communism.
Millions of our best and brightest have given their lives so that we could be free, so we could talk freely.
We cannot take this lightly. Free Speech is under attack from those who are currently in power. There hve been threats against Rush, Michael Savage, Lou Dobbs, Talk Radio, the Internet, various websites. And now LP.
EVERYTHING is at stake today in America.
Everything.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-30 11:37:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: belmontconservative, all (#17)
Traffic was down like 40 percent in the last couple of months.
People are finally realizing the birthers are kooks and have stopped following those threads.

While I don't frequent El Pee often enough to know who the participants are I must shy from identifying with them.
Given that disclaimer though there is nothing reprehensible in expecting the person setting in the Offal Office to conform to the minimum Constitutional Requirements. It is called the rule of law and defines the difference between a nation and a rabble. There is a growing and considerable body of circumstantial evidence which strongly suggests that the man in the oval office is there under fraud.
Barry, Barak Hussein, Soetoro-Obama by all appearances is a usurper with no legal or moral right to hold the office of President of the United States.
He has refused to provide proof of his legitimacy, has had his college records and transcripts secreted from public review, and has in fact spent a sum now approaching 2 million dollars to PREVENT his Birth Cerificate, assuming one exists in legitimate form, and college records from reaching the public and the courts. He is a usurper and should be removed from office and put on trial for fraud.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Original_Intent posted on 2009-10-30 11:40:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Lod (#22)
So far today, I've received birthday good wishes via email from a car dealership, texasguntalk.com and my dentist.

Well, allow me to pile on as well- HAPPY BIRTHDAY old man. Hee, hee. Well you are old enough to be my uh, err, ahh, uh, big brother. ;-)
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Original_Intent posted on 2009-10-30 11:45:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: abraxas (#25)
Of course she is a bold face liar. She has banned dozens of people because she didn't like what they posted. She only believes in free speech when she agrees with that speech. For instance, it is perfectly fine to call for the mass extermination of Muslims but post an article she considers anti-Semitic and you are either banned or restricted from posting articles.
The same goes with Christianity. Magician can post whatever anti-Christian screed he wants but don't even think about posting an anti-Jewish screed.
There there is Sarah Palin. Post a negative Sarah Palin article and see how long it stays up. It's either deleted outright or moved to the biker bar.
She's fooling no one but herself.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 11:45:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Lod (#22)
Happy Birthday Lod!!!!!!
Have a wonderful day!!!!

abraxas posted on 2009-10-30 11:47:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Hayek Fan (#28)
Goldi-Pox is a hypocrite pure and simple.
She is dishonest and is Israel First America Second (at best).
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Original_Intent posted on 2009-10-30 11:48:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: abraxas (#25)
www.libertypost.org/cgi- b...ArtNum=276986&Disp=67#C67
Banning's bad, but can you blame them?
Chickenshit though, isn't it, to delete the offending post?

randge posted on 2009-10-30 11:49:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Hayek Fan (#28)
She's fooling no one but herself.

You're spot on Hayek Fan. Sheesh, you need to put on the hip waders to read through her bovine excrement.
This was blatently obvious when she pulled her massive Ron Paul banning. To this day that 50 yard line--happyfunballs--sardine sandwich--padlock asswipe continues to post the same "bannable" type articles and she gives it a free pass.
Any article the least bit critical of Israel killing Pali's for fun is deemed anti-semetic. I even posted one about Orthodox Jews spitting on Christians and Marg rolled in with the anti-semetic label......it was posted from Haaratz. But, that's the level of discourse that the queen of hypocricy advocates at her "free speech for the chosen few" website.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-30 11:52:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: Original_Intent (#27)
Thanks much, OI.

Lod posted on 2009-10-30 11:52:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: randge (#31)
Chickenshit though, isn't it, to delete the offending post?

Over there you rarely know who has been banned let alone what they did to get the boot. It's really the bs banning criteria that I object to. In a case like this one, she will post a thread for discussion, but usually it's a back door boot with no attention drawn to it because the banning criteria is hypocritical.
One would think, promoting free speech, that the offending posts would stand.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-30 11:56:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Lod (#33)

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Original_Intent posted on 2009-10-30 11:56:25 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: randge (#31)
can you blame them?

She must be hysterical. You can't 'sue' a screen name for libel, and her own archives would destroy her case.
Even stupid doesn't cover this kind of delusion, so one must logically conclude that she's mentally deranged at this point. That's the only thing that explains all the observations.
As for the library filters, I don't get that either. Anyone can report any website for anything they find offensive or questionable, and the local library systems can act accordingly as to whether to filter or not.
As it stands right now, I can't see how the site would pass a keyword filter.
As an aside, it's hilarious to watch Liberator try to simultaneously suck up to Goldi and bite the hand that feeds him. It's difficult to do, and he's doing it so poorly.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 11:56:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: Lod (#33)
Oops, forgot you can't see gif's. It is a "Hat Tip" Smiley. In other words you're most welcome - and Enjoy!
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Original_Intent posted on 2009-10-30 11:58:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: abraxas (#29)
Thank you very much, abraxas.

Lod posted on 2009-10-30 11:58:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: abraxas, war, All (#34)
Like you, I love this site. Both freedom4um and FR run afoul of the Websnse software we run here to filter hate sites. I'd hate to see that happen here.

war

hmmmm. what does war mean?

christine posted on 2009-10-30 12:00:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: randge, Critter, RickyJ, Eric Stratton, Samuel Gray, belmontconservative, christine, abraxas, Original_Intent, Hayek Fan, (#0)
Or was it a christian democrat?

She likes to play forum moderator and bans posters for expressing their views well others can play at that game as well. Also, I don't have to do anything. Her own pet posting buddies got her black listed thanks to profanity filters, etc. I can't get anyone black listed on my own but she shot herself in the foot.
And cut and pasting links of such foul language from her assorted pals and talk about getting the president removed by armed force from Goldi's own postings and emailing it to her web host is easy enough to do.
LP is Goldi's site but where LP is hosted is not her site.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 12:03:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: abraxas (#32) (Edited)
She's fooling no one but herself.
You're spot on Hayek Fan. Sheesh, you need to put on the hip waders to read through her bovine excrement.
This was blatently obvious when she pulled her massive Ron Paul banning. To this day that 50 yard line--happyfunballs--sardine sandwich--padlock asswipe continues to post the same "bannable" type articles and she gives it a free pass.
Any article the least bit critical of Israel killing Pali's for fun is deemed anti-semetic. I even posted one about Orthodox Jews spitting on Christians and Marg rolled in with the anti-semetic label......it was posted from Haaratz. But, that's the level of discourse that the queen of hypocricy advocates at her "free speech for the chosen few" website.

It's shit like this which makes me despise both her and the site as much as I do. I understand that it is her site and she can do what ever it is she wants to do on it. But man the fuck up and be honest about it, don't blow smoke up people's ass with talk of free speech and the first amendment.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 12:03:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Original_Intent (#35) (Edited)
I've checked setting after setting, to no avail. The upside is that I've never had a virus, trojan, or any other malware get to the machine.
I've even forgotten how to post an image, .gif, or much of anything else.

Lod posted on 2009-10-30 12:03:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: christine (#39)
war -

Must be a Jim Rome listener. It's a compliment, and keep up the good work.

Lod posted on 2009-10-30 12:06:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: randge, Eric Stratton (#11)
I did mot insult you and I apologize if it sounded that way.

A gaggle of Goldi's favored posters were posting obscene language about sex with animals, gay orgies, etc as replies to those that were on Goldi's enemies list and that is what would get them banned from libraries.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 12:12:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Destro (#44) (Edited)
Moldi Box Logic
Bush = Chimp
That photo is BAAAAADDD
Michelle Obama = Chimp
That photo is GOOOOOODD

She is too stupid to know the difference. Well she did say she sucks at crypto...

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-30 12:15:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: belmontconservative (#45)
She is too stupid to know the difference. Well she did say she sucks at crypto...

And a teeny bit psycho...er, psychic.
God, what a Froot Loop.
And Littlebaby is still telling Goldi she's stupid. They must be putting too much MSG in the swill at the soup kitchens in Jersey again.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 12:20:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Samuel Gray (#46)
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.
10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
Goldi-Lox posted on 2009-10-30 12:19:13 ET Reply Trace

Just playing devils advocate here...
#7. Wonder how many Oath Keepers think the detention of American citizens of Japanese desent was right during WWII...and if they will stick up for innocent Muslim American American citizens who might be rounded up enmasse if another major style 911 should happen...
#9 Businsess were taken over and confiscated during WWII for the war effort even when the owners did not want to sell or relinquish their goods.
#10. I was banned at LP due to my free speech...I was infringed upon...Oh thta's right..some free speech is more right than other free speech.

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-30 12:34:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: Destro (#44)
I did mot insult you and I apologize if it sounded that way.

You didn't insult me at all.
But permit me, it is the political cast of your complaint that I found disturbing.
There's a lot of anti-gov't talk here of a real strong nature sometimes. I'd like to feel that I or anyone else can shoot his bloody mouth of here within forum guidelines without a fellow poster taking it to some internet authority.
I believe that next time I'll handle this kind of stuff per pm.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 12:45:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: belmontconservative (#47)
7. Since you've read her "Palinanimals" screed and the repeated use of "muslimaniacs", the genocidal wet dreams of Danconia55, et al, I'll assume this is rhetorical. 9. Viewing any events outside those that seem to support their immediate hysteria within their appropriate historical context is not a strong suit of the denizens at LP. 10. The free speech thing has got to be an inside joke at this point, except everyone knows the gag and it hasn't been funny since RimJob in about Y2K.
The crisis has passed, however. Littlemasturbator is back to spamming the board with his homosexual projection fantasies, so all is well.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 12:52:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: randge, Critter, RickyJ, Eric Stratton, Samuel Gray, belmontconservative, christine, abraxas, Original_Intent, Hayek Fan, (#40)
Some examples of the kooky thinking of Goldi and her pals - I apologize for the link to weird sex acts and foul language
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=273791#C11

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=276823&Disp=43#C53

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=275762&Disp=1#C1

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=276467&Disp=92#C92

The following don't involve foul language but do involve requests for the army or armed citizenry to use force of arms against the govt and or Obama as advocated in some cases by Goldi herself:

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=276271&Disp=10#C8
The best hope is that the generals fire the incompetent-in-chief.
Marguerite posted on 2009-10-21
http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=274139&Disp=51#C31
This is Obama's personal declaration of war to Israel. He made it personal. From now on, he must watch his back.
Marguerite
That's a good idea, we can dump his corpse in a latrine. Or that can even be the method of his execution, leave him in a cesspool and allow the sewage to fill up until he drowns in it.
fallujah nuker
8. To: Marguerite, calcon (#31) This is Obama's personal declaration of war to Israel. He made it personal. From now on, he must watch his back. "From now on, he must watch his back." ---
.......... and watch his own Secret Service.
(jmo)
beyond the sea posted on 2009-09-23 17:29:30 ET

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=276382&Disp=All&#C0
The problem with this country is that conservatives are all too willing to be destroyed.
Becoming a martyr at the hands of the government is a worthless vanity. What will determine the fate of this country is whether or not Conservatives are willing TO DESTROY.
As Gen. Patton said: "Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
What is lacking is the moral courage and the mental strength to use violence against the oppressors.
Perkunas
9. Only the military can fix this and only if they act under a mandate from the legislature as was done in Honduras
We don't have the kinds of legislatures necessary,as they are every bit as much a problem as Obama is
Obama is simply an empty suit front man for a much much larger shadow government
The rampant bank fraud and bailout theft of the US Treasury is evidence of this
imo
JoeSnuffy posted on 2009-10-22 17:19:49 ET
34. If there is a revolution, the Army will be the first to go after him and his gang of thieves. The army is patriotic, they will not fight for a Communist Dictator.
TakeNoPrisoners posted on 2009-10-22
35. Obama is destroying the Constitution. He has to be removed in order for us to get back to Constitutional government.
TakeNoPrisoners posted on 2009-10-22 19:35:11 ET
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 12:55:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Destro (#40)
that doesn't explain why you made the threat. again, what's that about? i have to infer that that is your intent here. please answer why you made the threat.

christine posted on 2009-10-30 12:58:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: randge (#48)
I did mot insult you and I apologize if it sounded that way.
You didn't insult me at all.

Where did I write that to you at #11 or at #44 - I don't mind apologizing I just don't see where you asked for one and where I gave you an apology?
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 12:59:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: christine, Samuel Gray, belmontconservative (#51)
that doesn't explain why you made the threat. again, what's that about? i have to infer that that is your intent here. please answer why you made the threat.

I did not make a "threat". I told them their own words would get them banned through profanity filters and such and I would be more than happy point it out to those private companies that run such programs as well as her host.
That is not a threat.
Warning the president of the USA to "Watch his back" as Marguerite did @ http://libertypost.org/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=274139&Disp=51#C31 is an example of a threat.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 13:02:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: randge, Critter, RickyJ, Eric Stratton, Samuel Gray, belmontconservative, christine, abraxas, Original_Intent, Hayek Fan, (#53)
LOL! CHeck it out one of those LP posters that posts every post with foul weird sex language finally gets in trouble by Goldi but only after I was banned and he is one of those that contributed to the profanity storm there!
http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=276986&Disp=240&Trace=on#C240
240. To: fallujah nuker (#229)
demise of your fellow XXXXXXXX Destro. (the xxxxxxx is Goldi xing out the gay sex comment I imagine)
Don't post that again.
That's a banning offense. ... But I think I caught it before anyone saw it.
Goldi-Lox posted on 2009-10-30 13:05:45 ET
LOL! Way to go Goldi!!!! LOL!!!
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 13:12:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Destro (#52)
Misread the post in haste.
Things get too personal here sometimes. And ugly. And a lot uglier over there than here that's for sure by your testimony. That's why I stay away from that place.
Some jerk over there said that we should round up all the suspected terrorist's relatives and shoot them summarily too. They're all crazy as bedbugs.
Makes folks nervous when you threaten to pull the chain on filters, though. You might want to swear that kind of thing off for the duration.
Regards - r.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 13:26:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: belmontconservative (#47)
#9 Businsess were taken over and confiscated during WWII for the war effort even when the owners did not want to sell or relinquish their goods.

Shoot.... during WWII just about everything in life was rationed and all grease and fats, ashes etc were saved for the war effort. Housewives used to have contests to see who could save the most. Many tourist areas such as in Hawaii and areas on the coast of California were put off limits to casual travel, but who had the gas anyway?
All gold and silver mines, many of which produced other valuable metals and minerals were closed by edict too, putting many, many middle aged workers out of a job. Some of those mines remain flooded and closed to this day, too expensive to reopen.

mininggold posted on 2009-10-30 13:29:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: Destro (#54)
Man, you really got Moldy Pox's panties twisted. I'm playing catch up here and over there.
You should highlight some of the nasty posts to you from fallujah nuker, et al. from just the past few days.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 13:29:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: randge, PaulCJ (#55)
Some jerk over there said that we should round up all the suspected terrorist's relatives and shoot them summarily too. They're all crazy as bedbugs.

I believe that was PaulCJ who wrote that. He posts here also. He's a chikenhawk.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 13:33:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: Fred Mertz (#57)
Looks like y(f)uktard just woke up and is arriving late to the game as well. That thread is solid gold. I'm putting off winterizing the house to watch those idiots go hysterical over what they think might happen.
You could ask Schlocky-Lox what, exactly, she intends to sue over? She clearly has no idea how internet filtering, etc, works.
What's she gonna do, go on a cross country trip suing every library in the country who blocks her site?
And Mr Gumplist himself, reaganisright, has added an interesting twist by saying he knew Goldi personally...

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 13:33:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: Hayek Fan, RickyJ, randge (#28)
She has banned dozens of people because she didn't like what they posted.

I'm another victim of her Ron Paul "purge". Best thing that ever happened to me because that led me to freedom4um!!
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-10-30 13:43:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: Samuel Gray, Fred Mertz (#59)
Looks like y(f)uktard just woke up and is arriving late to the game as well. That thread is solid gold. I'm putting off winterizing the house to watch those idiots go hysterical over what they think might happen.

I hope you enjoy the show as much as I am right now.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 13:45:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: Hayek Fan, randge, (#58)
Hayek Fan: Some jerk over there said that we should round up all the suspected terrorist's relatives and shoot them summarily too. They're all crazy as bedbugs.
randge, I believe that was PaulCJ who wrote that. He posts here also. He's a chikenhawk.

Yea, I did. I also suggested that a muslim mosque, or muslim holy site be destroyed for each muslim terrorist act committed.
If you have a better idea to stop muslim fanatical terrorists, I am listening.
And none of your blame america crap.
These muslim fanatics are not going to stop until either they are all dead, or they have murdered all of us.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 13:47:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: PaulCJ (#62)
Yea, I did. I also suggested that a muslim mosque, or muslim holy site be destroyed for each muslim terrorist act committed.
If you have a better idea to stop muslim fanatical terrorists, I am listening.
And none of your blame america crap.
These muslim fanatics are not going to stop until either they are all dead, or they have murdered all of us.

I can't believe with an incisive mind like that, and your obvious knowledge of world geopolitics, you haven't been tapped for a position at the state department.
Hint, Cletus: If you truly believe that shit you just spouted, you're a terrorist too, you just worship a different mythical sky creature (and you lack the sack to carry your own convictions to the perceived enemy).
You'd be having vicarious death-gasms if there was a news release from the Islamic world that "for every Muslim you kill in Afghanistan, we will bomb a Southern Baptist Church!"

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 13:53:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: Samuel Gray, PaulCJ (#63)
If you have a better idea to stop muslim fanatical terrorists, I am listening.

Stop having the CIA train them and fund them? See Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya and Afghanistan during the Cold War.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 14:06:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: Samuel Gray (#63)
1. I can't believe with an incisive mind like that,
2. and your obvious knowledge of world geopolitics, you haven't been tapped for a position at the state department.
3. Hint, Cletus: If you truly believe that shit you just spouted, you're a terrorist too, you just worship a different mythical sky creature (and you lack the sack to carry your own convictions to the perceived enemy).
4. You'd be having vicarious death-gasms if there was a news release from the Islamic world that "for every Muslim you kill in Afghanistan, we will bomb a Southern Baptist Church!"

1. What is incisive about it?
2. Let's talk about geopolitics of muslims. In Europe, muslims have committed riots in Frances, terrorist attacks in the UK and Spain, and have committed a number of crimes in the rest of Europe; ranging from robbery, rape and murder.
In China, muslims have rioted in western parts of China.
In Pakistan, a muslim nation, there have been muslim terrorists attacks because the Pakistan government dares to even talk to western nations.
It is you who don't understand the geopolitics of the situation.
3. So, self-preservation is a "terrorist" act. How Orwellian of you.
4. If that your response, for every act against you, you will attack us with great destruction.
Sir, you are being hypocritical in complaining about my statements.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 14:06:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: PaulCJ, Samuel Gray (#65)
In China, muslims have rioted in western parts of China.

You mean the Chinese Muslims egged on by the CIA to destabilize the region???
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 14:08:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: Destro, Samuel Gray (#61)
I hope you enjoy the show as much as I am right now.

Yes, I think I've finally caught up.
Moldy edited fallujah nuker's profanity on that thread as a bannable offense, but did she ban him? Heck no.
She doesn't get it. Their profanity, etc. leads LP to be a potentially filtered site.
And she bans you...lol

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 14:09:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Destro (#64)
Stop having the CIA train them and fund them? See Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya and Afghanistan during the Cold War.

Chechnya!? Chechnya was a problem caused by the break up of the USSR and Russia not allowing the area to become independent.
Are you also going to blame the Beslan massacre on the U.S. as well?

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 14:10:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: Destro (#66) (Edited)
You seem to blame almost everything on the CIA.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 14:10:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: Fred Mertz (#67)
So what's the story on that old stewbum, beyondthesea? I mean, besides being Liberator's disembodied queef.
He posts crap about female bats fellating their mates, numerous pics of semiclothed women and seems to experience mood swings/blackouts associated with the chronically drunk.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 14:12:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: PaulCJ (#62)
Yea, I did. I also suggested that a muslim mosque, or muslim holy site be destroyed for each muslim terrorist act committed.

You said:
"Inspired by JMS' Babylon 5 series. The way to stop these terrorist attacks is to make it so, anyone caught aiding or committing terrorist attacks will not only be execute without trial, but also their entire family will be executed as well, all the way to third-cousins."
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=276764&Disp=4#C4
That's clearly nazi occupation doctrine. My old man saw such. He witnessed, but did not have to participate in, in a reprisal such as this. He recounted it for me on one occasion. He thought that it was shameful. All the men from a village were rounded up and shot in front of their families. All in reprisal for potshots at German soldiers. The detail that was called to do it got drunk beforehand and afterward.
Two things show weakness in warfare. Suicide attacks and massacring the innocent. Both sides are losers here.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 14:14:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: PaulCJ (#69)
You seem to blame almost everything on the CIA.

CIA is short hand for US govt operation. Better?
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 14:14:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: PaulCJ (#69)
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav030102.shtml
In March 2001, a US assistant secretary of state met with representatives of Aslan Maskhadov’s government of Chechnya, including Iljas Akhmadov, the self-declared "foreign minister" of Ichkeria. The first encounter between the Bush administration and Chechen rebels was the highest-ranking US meeting ever with a Chechen official. Stopping short of recognizing Chechnya as independent, the Bush administration clearly wanted the Russian government to understand that Washington would meet with whom it liked, regardless of Kremlin opinion.
State Department spokesman Charles Hunter asserted that the United States would emphasize the need for a political resolution of the conflict in Chechnya, the renunciation of terrorism and the importance of human rights. Kremlin spokesman Sergei Yastrzhembsky responded quickly: "Russia views such contacts," which can only have "a negative influence on Russian-US ties," as "absolutely unacceptable." The view in the Russian press was no more equivocal, announcing: "USA supports Chechen fighters," and "Russian Federation against contacts between the USA and Chechen separatists."
Indeed, as late as 5 September a senior State Department official announced that US Ambassador to Russia Alexander Vershbow would be visiting Chechnya (pending Russian permission), as the US government was "distressed that no progress appeared to have been made in bringing Russian soldiers to justice for alleged atrocities in the republic." The official stated that the visit was aimed at showing "we are genuinely concerned about the path the Russians are on."
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 14:18:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: Samuel Gray, mininggold (#70)
So what's the story on that old stewbum, beyondthesea?

Someone, might have been mininggold, pegged him with the moniker betweenthesheets. Spot on!
War calls him Otis for the town drunk on Andy Griffith.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 14:19:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: Fred Mertz (#67)
278. To: Goldi-Lox (#243)
(Schlocky-Box): Sorry. I was in Mensa. I did post it.
(Gumplist): Believe me I worked with you. If I ever had a clue you were part of Mensa I would have just said NO WAY IN HELL louder to my invite.
Like I said I worked with you. When you posted about your health problems in '76 with flu vaccine it explained a lot. If you can remember you were a data clerk, f'in overhead as we used to say. Sorry, but the truth sometimes hurts especially if you can't remember.
reaganisright posted on 2009-10-30 14:19:24 ET

Aaand, Dr. Gumplist faces Goldi with the cold hard truth. Maybe she was in 'menstra' and just got confused...

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 14:22:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: Destro (#73) (Edited)
The whole flaw in your statement is that the violence in Chechnya started in 1994. Years before Bush took office.
There is no point to talking to you because you blame almost everything on the U.S.
You need to start taking responsibility for yourself.
When you can start talking rationally and admit that those who commit the actions are the ones to blame. Then I will talk to you again.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 14:22:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: Fred Mertz (#74)
War calls him Otis for the town drunk on Andy Griffith.

I think of him as "Evap", for the same reason. (That's a quote from a Stephen King novel about this chemical spot remover called "Evap", and how it sounded like a sound a chronic drunk would make, to wit...'EVAP!' croaked the old drunk, simultaneously crapping his pants and blowing lunch.)

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 14:24:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: Samuel Gray (#70)
This one's a keeper. Gump calling Moldy dumb as a box of rocks.

278. To: Goldi-Lox (#243)

Sorry. I was in Mensa. I did post it.

Believe me I worked with you. If I ever had a clue you were part of Mensa I would have just said NO WAY IN HELL louder to my invite.
Like I said I worked with you. When you posted about your health problems in '76 with flu vaccine it explained a lot. If you can remember you were a data clerk, f'in overhead as we used to say. Sorry, but the truth sometimes hurts especially if you can't remember.
reaganisright posted on 2009-10-30 14:19:24 ET

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 14:26:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: randge (#71)
Like I said, if you have better solution, I am listening.
Take into account, muslim fanatics cannot be reasoned with and are not afraid to die. As such, what is your solution?
Leaving will not work, muslim fanatics are attacking people all over the world. They will follow us and attack us here.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 14:29:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: PaulCJ (#76)
There is no point to talking to you because you blame almost everything on the U.S.

Blame where blame is due. No more than that. And there's plenty to go around on our side. That's the side that I take responsibility for.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 14:30:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: Destro (#73)
Banjo Boy claims to have a memory...

I remember once ... a year - two ago destro saying he was in his early 20's --- thinking he had a lot of growing up to do !
His condition seems to be worse - permanent !
byeltsin posted on 2009-10-30 14:28:01 ET

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 14:30:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: PaulCJ (#62)
Yea, I did. I also suggested that a muslim mosque, or muslim holy site be destroyed for each muslim terrorist act committed.
If you have a better idea to stop muslim fanatical terrorists, I am listening.
And none of your blame america crap.
These muslim fanatics are not going to stop until either they are all dead, or they have murdered all of us.

My blame America crap. Mother fucker, I spent 15 years serving on active in the Army. I've been to Iraq, as well as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Panama, Somalia, Haiti and Bosnia. How many years have you spent serving your country you chicken-hearted piece of shit coward? How many war zones have you been in mouth? I'd love for your faggot ass to say that in mine or any other veterans face. You'd get the fucking beating you deserve maggot. Blame America indeed. I don't blame America, I blame cowardly pieces of shit like you who want to be the policemen of the world but don't want to shoulder any of the responsibility. I blame whining bitches like you who scream kill them all, every man, woman and child, and then leave the dirty work for others to do and live with.
Yeah I have a better idea. Replace the men and women presently serving with panty-waisted limp dicks like you and let you and them kill each other off.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 14:31:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: randge (#80)
Blame where blame is due. No more than that. And there's plenty to go around on our side. That's the side that I take responsibility for.

I was commenting to Destro, not you. Destro, for years, has literally blamed almost everything bad on the U.S.
He has made a parody of himself.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 14:32:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: Fred Mertz (#78) (Edited)
To: Goldi-Lox (#243)

(Moldy-Box):And I don't recall working with YOU. Maybe you have me pegged as someone else.
(Gumper):I don't think so, your name is unique. I'm the guy with the yellow coffee cup who always took a left turn when we were both heading for the "hot water pot" back in 481. I had a hiding places for my cup and techs to cover for me to keep me from being "hit on" at the hot water pot.
Your office was Speedy's old office and you shared it for a time with Sharon.
I've found women's memory is very selective, they forget slights like nobody wanting to sit anywhere near them at management club meetings.
reaganisright posted on 2009-10-30 13:18:12 ET

So, if I'm reading this right, ol' gumperdump had to hide out to keep from being hit on by Sally at the coffee pot. Correct?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 14:32:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: Hayek Fan (#82)
My blame America crap. Mother fucker, I spent 15 years serving on active in the Army. I've been to Iraq, as well as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Panama, Somalia, Haiti and Bosnia. How many years have you spent serving your country you chicken-hearted piece of shit coward? How many war zones have you been in mouth? I'd love for your faggot ass to say that in mine or any other veterans face. You'd get the fucking beating you deserve maggot. Blame America indeed. I don't blame America, I blame cowardly pieces of shit like you who want to be the policemen of the world but don't want to shoulder any of the responsibility. I blame whining bitches like you who scream kill them all, every man, woman and child, and then leave the dirty work for others to do and live with.

OK, with all that experience you have NO EXCUSE not to post a solution to dealing with muslim terrorists. So post a solution. I am waiting.
Or are you just going to complain?

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 14:35:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: Fred Mertz, Samuel Gray, mininggold (#74)
I don't get the crazy bizarre sex postings that that clique does and why Goldi allows that. Seems Websense and her ISP provider don't like it much either.
Fred, tell Goldi hi for me.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 14:36:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: PaulCJ (#85)
Actually, I think he owned your chickenhawk ass, and if you had any sense, you'd retire quietly from the field to go lick your wounds.
Or shoulder a weapon, you wannabe Charles Martel, you.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 14:37:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: PaulCJ (#76)
There is no change in policy of the shadow govt between presidents and I did not state the CIA/USA started the war in Chechnya only that it gave aid and comfort to them even after 9/11. McCain wanted to arm the Chechens or hinted as much in his first go around as president.
I see you ignored the other geo host spots I mentioned. Tell Goldi hi for me.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 14:39:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: Fred Mertz (#78)
Goldi tries to save face after a devastating round with reaganisright, and comes up with some true gems in the process.

I had an assistant for a short time named Sharon, but never had an "office". Seems she took home the "movie" the guys shared, and lost all of their respect afterwards. She had some issues with socially accepted language, and loved the Greaseman.
Was Speedy the guy who retired at 40, having saved $1M? Never met him. If not, dunno who he was.
I had a cubicle. In fact, several over time. And even shared one in the closed area. So, chances are we both were in the secure area. But there were 80+ people in there, and some I had no idea who they were.
Re the Management club meetings, I think I only went to one or two. They were mostly social, and I attended for career reasons only. I do recall attending a crabfeast, but not sure if that was the company picnic, or the management club. The only meeting I recall as interesting was the one with the Astronaut speaker.
I guess it's only a slight if you notice.
The Dale Carnegie speaker thing was for posers.
Regarding the yellow cup and all that, I didn't notice, and if I did it then I was only being polite.
One day I had a NASA t-shirt left on my desk as a gift. No idea who put it there or why.
I worked a lot with J Gates, the Govt Rep. He had an office in the corridor, and I had to share "as built lists" with him on occasion when there would be a fuze failure.
Tom (the Manager) who was bitten by a deer tick, and lost all his short term memory still haunts me. He was so brilliant, and was doomed to carry post-its around to remember what he was doing from minute to minute. I wonder if he ever get any better?
The Sr Engineer who came from Westinghouse was a brilliant engineer, and it's good he realized that being a Manager was a totally different skillset - one that he didn't have. He saved himself a lot of grief with that assessement.
The job I had was boring. No mental challenge especially after they did the ISO upgrade and downgraded the position. At that point any idiot who could type could do it.
My main focus there was going to graduate school so I could get a job that paid better, and had some intellectual challenge. I finished in 2 1/2 years - and most folks go 4.
I was really sad to see the guy in the front office pass away from prostate cancer the day of his daughter's wedding. He was so nice...yet I can't recall his name. Tall, 60ish, grey hair, silver glasses...I'm a visual learner, so I can see his face, but the name is gone. Maybe Dave?
The young girl who worked up in the front offices (I was never close to her) who survived that horrific car accident, and had all that metal in her back, legs, and skull...and was in tremendous pain...I sometimes wonder about her. She was out about a year until she could come back.
Do you remember Judy R ? (sat at the door near the end of my time there) she is now living retired in Virginia.
My secondary focus was politics. Always politics. I was pretty involved in the 1992 Perot campaign by then, and later the Reform Party.

Early on in my 10 years there, I met someone outside of the office who became my soulmate. We are close emotionally - and very spiritual. I never had any reason to look beyond him for anyone else, and remain so to this day.
There was one guy there who really didn't like me from day one. Visceral I think. I just avoided him. You can't change people or make them like you. He sat just as you came in the door, one aisle over, near the classified computers. He was tight with Sharon the red-haired girl who used to be the gatekeeper for the closed area (and she wore a lot of peach).
But he was brilliant! Brilliant to the nth degree. He was the heart and soul of the program he was on. He designed/created the P-fuze. And I can't say any more about it than that. If you worked there, you'd know why.

Having been an only child, and with tendencies to be a loner at times and very self sufficient, how others perceive me is really only "just interesting".
I've always been truthful, outspoken, opinionated and bright. Sometimes that offends people. I just never saw the point in wasting time sucking up and saying what I had to say in bits and pieces. In THAT respect (the outspoken part) I really identify with the "Bones" character, but I wasn't quite as offensive as her (I hope).
I'm afraid I have no idea who of the 80+ you could be if you were in that closed area.
Goldi-Lox posted on 2009-10-30 14:38:09 ET

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 14:40:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: PaulCJ, randge (#83)
I was commenting to Destro, not you. Destro, for years, has literally blamed almost everything bad on the U.S.

If the blame fits...
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 14:42:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: randge (#15)
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Eric Stratton posted on 2009-10-30 14:43:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: PaulCJ (#79)
I'm damned if I know. But a policy of blowing everyone with any connection to insurgents to hell will, in the long run, lead to general opposition to us. And that is what is happening.
First US official resigns over Afghanistan war
Matthew Hoh, 36, a former captain in the Marine Corps who fought in Iraq before joining the US State Department, resigned from his post as the senior US civilian in Zabul province, a Taleban stronghold in Afghanistan. He said that he believed the war only fuelled the insurgency, the Washington Post reports.
"I have lost understanding of and confidence in the strategic purposes of the United States' presence in Afghanistan," Mr Hoh wrote in his resignation letter, dated September 10.
"I have doubts and reservations about our current strategy and planned future strategy, but my resignation is based not upon how we are pursuing this war, but why and to what end."
He said that many Afghans were fighting the United States largely because its troops were there. While the Taleban was a malign presence, and al-Qaeda needed to be confronted, he said, the US was asking its troops to die in Afghanistan for what was essentially a far-off civil war
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol...nistan/article6891536.ece

randge posted on 2009-10-30 14:44:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: Fred Mertz, Blutarsky, Eric Stratton (#74)
Someone, might have been mininggold, pegged him with the moniker betweenthesheets. Spot on!
War calls him Otis for the town drunk on Andy Griffith.

Not me lol.... but I think it was Blutarsky (Eric Stratton).

mininggold posted on 2009-10-30 14:44:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: PaulCJ (#79)
Like I said, if you have better solution, I am listening.
Take into account, muslim fanatics cannot be reasoned with and are not afraid to die. As such, what is your solution?
Leaving will not work, muslim fanatics are attacking people all over the world. They will follow us and attack us here.

You just described some tribes, although other tribe(s) get the US to DIE for them. They are the really, really SMART tribes

mininggold posted on 2009-10-30 14:48:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: Fred Mertz (#74)
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Eric Stratton posted on 2009-10-30 14:48:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: Destro (#86)
Fred, tell Goldi hi for me.

Done. She just told Gump her memories from work where Gump swears he knows her...from years ago. Who needs soap operas when we've got elPee?

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 14:48:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: mininggold (#93)
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Eric Stratton posted on 2009-10-30 14:50:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: Eric Stratton (#95)
Thanks for the correction. I tend to avoid that guy, but if the opportunity is there I'm gonna borrow your moniker for him. Thanks.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 14:50:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: PaulCJ (#85)
OK, with all that experience you have NO EXCUSE not to post a solution to dealing with muslim terrorists. So post a solution. I am waiting.

First of all you need to get your terminology right. Indigenous personnel fighting against a foreign occupying army in conjunction with a Vichy-like puppet government which the majority population reject are not terrorists, they are insurgents.
The solution is to leave and allow the country to go back to killing each other in their defacto civil/tribal wars. We did what we went there to do. All we are doing now is getting into the exact same scenario the USSR got themselves into. We only control the large population centers while the Taliban control everything else. That isn't going to change because we do not have a large enough army to make it change. Now, being the blood dancing chicken heart that you are, I understand that you get off on death, be it American or Afghan. That's too bad. Find another hobby like pulling wings off of flies or playing with your feces.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 14:52:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: Eric Stratton (#95)
I'll throw in a plug for calling him "Liberator's queef".
It's crude but accurate. BTS is always unwanted, non-sequitur, embarrassing when he shows up, adds nothing but discomfort to the conversation and always shows up after liberator's lips have been flapping.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 14:52:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: Samuel Gray (#89)
Goldi tries to save face after a devastating round with reaganisright, and comes up with some true gems in the process.

Yeah, she must have spent alot of time putting that post together.
Let's see how Gump responds...

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 14:53:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: Fred Mertz (#101)
Yeah, she must have spent alot of time putting that post together.
Let's see how Gump responds...

You noticed that too. Methinks she doth protest too much.
She styles herself as "Bones-like", an introverted, self-directed intellectual with limited social skills (no one could argue that last...), and Gumplist says she was the office cougar.
Hrm...so, she's insane and smart...that's two of the three things I look for (the third being "married"...it's a sickness). I wonder what she looks like...
Nah, even I have limits.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 14:57:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: Hayek Fan (#99)
Now, being the blood dancing chicken heart that you are, I understand that you get off on death, be it American or Afghan. That's too bad. Find another hobby like pulling wings off of flies or playing with your feces.

I'm the last one to lecture cause I've cussed folks out on threads more often than I wanna admit.
You speak with an authority on this situation that I cannot muster. But perhaps if you left off the last couple of lines you'd give the other poster the room psychologically speaking to consider your point of view. Unless he's a pro, of course.
Color me naive.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 14:59:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#104. To: Samuel Gray (#102)
I once suspected she was a fake person - part of a shared website with JimRob so the ones he banned could have someplace to go to
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 15:00:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#105. To: Destro (#104)
I've heard that Haguerite was an alter ego of Goldi's, but it was unsubstantiated.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 15:05:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#106. To: Destro, Samuel Gray (#104)
She just posted this one to palo verde, about inheritances run amok on another thread.
www.libertypost.org/cgi- b...tNum=276986&Disp=299#C299
Dang it! I might be late for happy hour.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 15:05:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#107. To: Samuel Gray (#89)
My secondary focus was politics. Always politics. I was pretty involved in the 1992 Perot campaign by then, and later the Reform Party.

Some of Goldi's gang such as Yukon also have said they were also involved in the Perot campaign, or maybe she IS Yukon. Who knows?

mininggold posted on 2009-10-30 15:06:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#108. To: Fred Mertz (#96)
Who needs soap operas when we've got elPee?

I know right! 'Days of our kooks'
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 15:07:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#109. To: randge (#103)
I'm the last one to lecture cause I've cussed folks out on threads more often than I wanna admit.
You speak with an authority on this situation that I cannot muster. But perhaps if you left off the last couple of lines you'd give the other poster the room psychologically speaking to consider your point of view. Unless he's a pro, of course.
Color me naive.

You are probably right and if I thought it would have done any good I would have approached it differently. However, I have read PaulCJ's posts for quite some time on LP and know that he is a committed neocon who revels in the blood of others, be they American or Muslim. He can't get enough.
While I do not take back anything I said, I do apologize for offending you and any other f4um member (except for PaulCJ that is).
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 15:08:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#110. To: Fred Mertz (#101)
I made getting banned from Freerepublic and libertypost an art form.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 15:09:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#111. To: Fred Mertz (#106)
Yeah, I saw that. It's why I was a bit late on the draw in posting an earlier reply to you.
I stepped in a big steaming pile of Palo-post and my brain shut down. My working theory is that reading even one of her posts causes any sentient beings to experience brief mental incapacity akin to the 'blue screen of death' so familiar to Windows users.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 15:12:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#112. To: mininggold (#107) (Edited)
maybe she IS Yukon.

Not sure. If she's truly a MENSA member, she couldn't, with any degree of self respect, fake yukon's level of stupid without triggering some sort of aneurysm.
He is the de facto stupidest man on the planet.
There's gotta be a reason he and Mad Dog are loners in Alaska.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 15:14:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#113. To: Hayek Fan (#109)
Not at all.
These folks will shortly experience a great comeupance. All of them.
The wise among the warmakers have to know that this cannot go on unless the nation goes for broke. And that is where we are headed. My bet is that there is a climb down in the works. (That won't be easy either.) That is why the Bamster won't commit 40,000 on top of the 40,000 he's ALREADY thrown at the thing since he came to office.
Thanks for your service. And I don't mean your time in uniform.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 15:20:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#114. To: Samuel Gray, buckeroo (#102)
Hrm...so, she's insane and smart...that's two of the three things I look for (the third being "married"...it's a sickness). I wonder what she looks like...
Nah, even I have limits.

I think buckeroo has a picture taken a few years back. Seems like he has even posted it here.

mininggold posted on 2009-10-30 15:25:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#115. To: Samuel Gray (#112)
Mad Dog is foaming at the mouth again. I'm getting outta here while the getting is good. Later 'gator.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 15:29:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#116. To: Samuel Gray (#102)
I wonder what she looks like...

Blond, fat and ugly
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 15:30:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#117. To: Hayek Fan (#99)
The solution is to leave and allow the country to go back to killing each other in their defacto civil/tribal wars.

The terrorists will then follow us back here to the U.S.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 15:31:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#118. To: Hayek Fan (#116)
Blond, fat and ugly

That's the bypass for "insane, smart and married." Thanks.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 15:32:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#119. To: Hayek Fan, randge (#109)
Hayek Fan, However, I have read PaulCJ's posts for quite some time on LP and know that he is a committed neocon who revels in the blood of others, be they American or Muslim. He can't get enough.

Then you need to read my posts more closely. Ideologically, the closest I am to a political type is a non-communist anarchist.
I just value the lives of my family, friends and myself over those who wish to murder us because we exist.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 15:34:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#120. To: mininggold (#94)
You just described some tribes, although other tribe(s) get the US to DIE for them. They are the really, really SMART tribes

You would be surprised in how many cult members turn out to be technically geniuses. Technical geniuses that lack common sense in realizing cause and effect of their group's beliefs.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 15:37:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#121. To: PaulCJ (#117)
There nothing to prevent them from doing so now.
You could pack mule a load of dynamite in somewhere between El Paso and Brownsville if you had a mind, and it wouldn't cost you any more than blowing an embassy up.
The farmers that we're agitating over there have other things on their minds - like feeding their kids and growing dope.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 15:37:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#122. To: randge (#92)
I'm damned if I know. But a policy of blowing everyone with any connection to insurgents to hell will, in the long run, lead to general opposition to us.

If you haven't noticed, the U.S. press for the last four decades have done a thorough job of getting the rest of the world to hate us, the U.S.
Most of the world are attacking the U.S. now by bribing politicians in the U.S. to destroy the U.S. from within, while trying to steal, through the law, everything of value in the U.S.
It's a shorter list of who in the world isn't working in some way to destroy the U.S.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 15:40:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#123. To: Hayek Fan (#99)
The solution is to leave and allow the country to go back to killing each other in their defacto civil/tribal wars. We did what we went there to do. All we are doing now is getting into the exact same scenario the USSR got themselves into. We only control the large population centers while the Taliban control everything else. That isn't going to change because we do not have a large enough army to make it change.

you're correct, HF, but the truth of the matter is that our presence there has little to do with the Taliban, terrorists, AQ, etc. that's the pretense to make it acceptable to the american people. it's the pipeline, opium, and any other riches AmerIsrael can get its hands on.

christine posted on 2009-10-30 15:44:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#124. To: Samuel Gray (#87)
Actually, I think he owned your chickenhawk ass, and if you had any sense, you'd retire quietly from the field to go lick your wounds.

Is that the best you got? I ask for a solution, and I get insults. Complain, complain, complain... Nothing productive, just someone puffing themself up, like a roaster ready for the slaughter. (this comment is NOT meant to be taken as a threat.)

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 15:46:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#125. To: Fred Mertz (#115) (Edited)
Mertz, you're gonna kick your own ass for leaving before you read this one...Jesus. Reaganisright will be gone before sundown. Unbelievably hilarious. The only thing better than this would be yukon and Mad Dog simultaneously falling into a woodchipper.

310. To: Goldi-Lox (#292) "I had an assistant for a short time named Sharon, but never had an "office". Seems she took home the "movie" the guys shared, and lost all of their respect afterwards"
That would be "Skonervision", we showed that movie to the top brass at our Oyster Roast, a party that went back to the 50s and we always had porn, no way in HE77 she lost respect for the same movie the girls in purchasing passed around every night. And it wasn't even good porn, it was filth. You got that one wrong. You don't have a clue. BTW, that film was shown at the Oyster Roast I hosted.
Speedy retired at 53, he had heart problems.
The astronaut speaker was a woman environmental engineer who pointed out the amount of dirt we have allowed to clog up the nations bays, like the Chesapeake.
"Do you remember Judy R?"
If she was far shorter than 5' tall I drove her home. I seriously doubt you are talking about the older Judy who was an executive secretary.

"Early on in my 10 years there, I met someone outside of the office who became my soulmate."
Why did you always seem so hard up, you might call it friendly, but I kept my distance.
"There was one guy there who really didn't like me from day one. Visceral I think. I just avoided him. You can't change people or make them like you. He sat just as you came in the door, one aisle over, near the classified computers. He was tight with Sharon the red-haired girl who used to be the gatekeeper for the closed area (and she wore a lot of peach).
And strawberry, I brought SB shampoo back from CA for her. She quit because she didn't want to work, 25 yo she married a 43 yo and didn't have a clue he was 43.
But he was brilliant! Brilliant to the nth degree. He was the heart and soul of the program he was on. He designed/created the P-fuze. And I can't say any more about it than that. If you worked there, you'd know why."
You don't know squat, no one that young was even around to design the P-fuze, at least you can spell. Ed G kept the Patriot at Bendix and his desk was never there. He was a Principal Engineer with a private office.
His initials were probably BB and he screwed almost every girl in 481. You weren't one.
" I'm afraid I have no idea who of the 80+ you could be if you were in that closed area."
I wish you didn't know who I was when we worked together. I wouldn't have to hide my coffee cup to avoid you.
I wouldn't have to shove my "DIDS" over the transom when you weren't there.
I'll still never forget my tech leaving me out to hang when the clucking chicken (that was you) came into my office and cornered me. How do you chew out your tech when neither one can stop laughing.
Honey, I worked with you, you could hardly dress, used too much perfume, and you were the only girl in the entire department not getting any "action". And that was when you were younger.
And BTW my offices were near the door on both sides. And I'm not the guy who hated you, I'm the guy who avoided you. Sharon was soft and warm, we just hugged. She was a grandmother.
Give or sell LP back to Neil. He offered to take it off your hands in the past.
reaganisright posted on 2009-10-30 15:40:20 ET

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 15:53:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#126. To: Samuel Gray, Fred Mertz (#125)
This is the best. LOL! Should have brought the kook out of her long ago.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 16:04:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#127. To: Destro (#126)
And she didn't refute any of it, she dismissed it because the guy mentioned giving the forum away and she attributed the whole thing to that.
Goldi's a k00(k)gar

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 16:07:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#128. To: mininggold (#107)
...or maybe she IS Yukon. Who knows?

I know. yukon is NOT Goldi-pox.
_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-10-30 16:22:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#129. To: X-15 (#128)
So, who is he, and is he really that big of a stupid douchenozzle?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 16:23:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#130. To: Samuel Gray, Fred Mertz (#127)
Fred can you tell Goldi for me that if she sues my lawyers as part of the investigative process would get to see her books, finances as well as the names and and internet addresses of her posters who I feel I can file a counter law suit against since they helped finance her.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 16:26:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#131. To: PaulCJ (#122)
If you haven't noticed, the U.S. press for the last four decades have done a thorough job of getting the rest of the world to hate us, the U.S.

Yes, even our malingering press can't ignore the mess we've made in Iraq and Afghanistan with our hamhanded butchery and incompetence.
Most of the world are attacking the U.S. now by bribing politicians in the U.S. to destroy the U.S. from within, while trying to steal, through the law, everything of value in the U.S.
We don't need the world's help. We're doing a fine job of that all by ourselves.
The proof is in the pudding on this one, and it is going south in rapid order.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 16:40:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#132. To: PaulCJ, Hayek Fan (#117)
The terrorists will then follow us back here to the U.S.

The terrorists were invited into the USA.
Not to use terror on Americans per say - they were invited in for training and to raise money to carry out a world wide jihad for the benefit of the USA and her Saudi and Paki allies along pipeline routes and oil and gas reserve territories with Muslim populations.
9/11 may have been a case of the scorpion and the frog or the US shadow govt turning the jihad on the USA to give an excuse for geopolitical manipulations.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 16:41:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#133. To: randge, PaulCJ (#131)
PaulCJ and his ideology andthe Republicans (Burkeman1 called them reich-wingers) that he apes helped ruin America.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 16:42:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#134. To: randge (#133)
Notice how Destro lumps everyone who disagrees with him in one group he hates, with his over generalization and broad accusations.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 16:49:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#135. To: Samuel Gray (#75)
Maybe she was in 'menstra' and just got confused...

lol.....now that's a knee slapper. : )

abraxas posted on 2009-10-30 16:57:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#136. To: PaulCJ (#117)
The terrorists will then follow us back here to the U.S.

You are so scared of the bogyman that you have lost the ability to think rationally. Hey sparky, there is absolutely nothing preventing "the terrorists" from coming over here right now. Our border's are wide open and have been for more than a decade. Do you think GI's holed up in the population center's of Afghanistan are actually stopping anyone from coming over here? LOL! The Taliban own the country and have the ability to travel freely through it. They also have the support of the Pakistani people as well as the majority of its government. If the Taliban wanted to "follow us back here to the U.S." then all they would have to do is get a government issued passport from Pakistan, travel to Mexico and walk right into the country.
And if you are so afraid of "the terrorists" then what about the rest of the ME? Qutar, Yemen, the UAE, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, etc? Should we invade and kill all of them too just to ease your mind?
American foreign policy is not going to be dictated by the coalition of Israeli-firsters and cowards who are afraid of their own shadows for very much longer. We cannot keep up the op tempo indefinitely with the troops we have now and the American people will not put up with a draft for a conflict they know isn't worth a single American life. Not to mention the fact that we cannot afford it and at some point in the near future the American people are going to have to make a choice between continuing to receive their goodies from Uncle Sugar or maintaining their empire.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 17:00:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#137. To: PaulCJ (#119)
I just value the lives of my family, friends and myself over those who wish to murder us because we exist.

You have a better chance of winning the lottery or being hit by lightening - twice, than you do being harmed by the bogymen who frighten you so.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 17:02:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#138. To: randge (#131)
Yes, even our malingering press can't ignore the mess we've made in Iraq and Afghanistan with our hamhanded butchery and incompetence.

That is what the anti-american press has tricked you into believing.
I guess in the new world order the press spouts that wanting to fight for survival is a crime for the U.S.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 17:03:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#139. To: Hayek Fan (#137)
You have a better chance of winning the lottery or being hit by lightening - twice, than you do being harmed by the bogymen who frighten you so.

Fighting only defensively will not win a war.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 17:04:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#140. To: PaulCJ (#62)
Yea, I did. I also suggested that a muslim mosque, or muslim holy site be destroyed for each muslim terrorist act committed.
If you have a better idea to stop muslim fanatical terrorists, I am listening.

Then EVERY muslin in the world would truly turn terrorist.

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-30 17:05:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#141. To: belmontconservative (#140)
Then EVERY muslin in the world would truly turn terrorist.

Then what is your solution?

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 17:07:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#142. To: Hayek Fan (#82)
I blame cowardly pieces of shit like you who want to be the policemen of the world but don't want to shoulder any of the responsibility

five deferment cheney.

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-30 17:12:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#143. To: PaulCJ (#141)
Then what is your solution?

1. Stop being a wuss. Grow up and stop being afraid of the dark(skinned).
2. Live your life without wondering what's lurking around the corner waiting to kill you. You'll die of heart disease, prostate cancer, etc, before you're a terrorist fatality. No one gets out alive, Paul. Worry about the shit that will really kill you rather than a one in 0.0000000000000000000000000000001 percent chance that you'll be a victim of a terrorist attack.
Using your myopic, shortsighted, xenophobic approach, however, you'll have people actively seeking to kill you who heretofore never knew you existed.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 17:12:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#144. To: PaulCJ (#139) (Edited)
Fighting only defensively will not win a war.

The only war is you fighting the bogyman inside of your head while making up nonsensical stories that "they" are coming to get you.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 17:21:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#145. To: PaulCJ (#138)
I guess in the new world order the press spouts that wanting to fight for survival is a crime for the U.S.

Fight for survival? LOLOL! What a drama queen. The United States government under the control of the Republicrat and Democan parties is a million-fold more of a threat to you and your family than any towel head on the other side of the world is. The fight for survival is between your freedom and the government you so desperately want to protect you. And you want people on this site to believe you are an anarchist? Who are you trying to kid? You can't be an anarchist while hanging on to the skirts of government yelling "protect me, protect me" at the same time.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 17:26:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#146. To: Destro (#53)
I did not make a "threat

This sure soundls like a threat to me........
Destro: "I am getting this website banned from public access computers like in libraries because of it."

abraxas posted on 2009-10-30 17:46:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#147. To: belmontconservative (#140)
www.goarmy.com/contact /find_a_recruiter.jsp

randge posted on 2009-10-30 17:49:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#148. To: Samuel Gray (#143)
1. Stop being a wuss. Grow up and stop being afraid of the dark(skinned).
2. Live your life without wondering what's lurking around the corner waiting to kill you. You'll die of heart disease, prostate cancer, etc, before you're a terrorist fatality. No one gets out alive, Paul. Worry about the shit that will really kill you rather than a one in 0.0000000000000000000000000000001 percent chance that you'll be a victim of a terrorist attack.
3. Using your myopic, shortsighted, xenophobic approach, however, you'll have people actively seeking to kill you who heretofore never knew you existed.

1. You are so naive that you cannot tell the difference between race and religion.
2. Yea, you want people to ignore the dangers happening in the world.
3. Your Orwellian double-speak is garbage.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 17:49:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#149. To: Hayek Fan (#145) (Edited)
1. Fight for survival? LOLOL! What a drama queen. The United States government under the control of the Republicrat and Democan parties is a million-fold more of a threat to you and your family than any towel head on the other side of the world is.
2. The fight for survival is between your freedom and the government you so desperately want to protect you.
3. And you want people on this site to believe you are an anarchist? Who are you trying to kid?
4. You can't be an anarchist while hanging on to the skirts of government yelling "protect me, protect me" at the same time.

1. It's more a "line forms to the left" situation as to who wants to destroy the U.S. and mass-murder the U.S. population.
2. So, "death panels" are protection to you?
3. I have never asked government for anything.
4. Two enemies decide to fight each other. Who am I too complain.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 17:56:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#150. To: Hayek Fan, PaulCJ (#136)
You are so scared of the bogyman that you have lost the ability to think rationally. Hey sparky, there is absolutely nothing preventing "the terrorists" from coming over here right now. Our border's are wide open and have been for more than a decade. Do you think GI's holed up in the population center's of Afghanistan are actually stopping anyone from coming over here? LOL!

Hear, hear, Hayek Fan!
On the subject of Afghanistan and what our military is achieving there, here's a good Wash Post article which both of you might find informative re: the recent resignation of a high level State Dept official, a former Marine Captain, btw. Mr. Hoh's revelations are timely, indeed, because Obama is considering sending 40,000 more soldiers to Afghanistan.
www.washingtonpost.com/wp...pnews&sid=ST2009102603447
“U.S. official resigns over Afghan war: Foreign Service officer and former Marine captain says he no longer knows why his nation is fighting” 10/27/09
Some cut and paste:
..."I'm not some peacenik, pot-smoking hippie who wants everyone to be in love," Hoh said...But many Afghans, he wrote in his resignation letter, are fighting the United States largely because its troops are there -- a growing military presence in villages and valleys where outsiders, including other Afghans, are not welcome and where the corrupt, U.S.-backed national government is rejected. While the Taliban is a malign presence, and Pakistan-based al-Qaeda needs to be confronted, he said, the United States is asking its troops to die in Afghanistan for what is essentially a far-off civil war...
..."We want to have some kind of governance there, and we have some obligation for it not to be a bloodbath," Hoh said. "But you have to draw the line somewhere, and say this is their problem to solve."...
... American families, he said at the end of the letter, "must be reassured their dead have sacrificed for a purpose worthy of futures lost, love vanished, and promised dreams unkept. I have lost confidence such assurances can be made any more."...

scrapper2 posted on 2009-10-30 18:03:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#151. To: PaulCJ (#149)
1. It's more a "line forms to the left" situation as to who wants to destroy the U.S. and mass-murder the U.S. population.

It must be very stressful going through life being such a coward.
2. So, "death panels" are protection to you?
I did not vote for Obama, do not support Obama, and am against government health care, so I don't understand what that means. Unlike yourself, I do not look to the government to protect me from bogymen. I am well armed and know how to defend myself with or without a weapon and have no fear whatsoever that some Islamic bogyman is going to come and get me. If you can't get rid of that fear then you should either move to a smaller community or see a psychiatrist as it's probably a chemical imbalance.
3. I have never asked government for anything.
That's not true. You are asking the government to send soldiers into harm's way and die in order to make you "feel" safe.
4. Two enemies decide to fight each other. Who am I too complain.
The members of the United States military are not your enemy. The government that controls them and issues them orders is.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 18:12:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#152. To: PaulCJ, Hayek Fan (#141)
Then what is your solution?

A little background at first. At one time I hated muslims as much, maybe more than what you do. 4 years ago or so I visited my brother who lives near Detroit. His neighbor is Muslim and they invited us over for a outside backyard party. I did not want to go but my brother was invited and I did not want to be by myself. 90% of the people there were Muslim and most were 1st generation. I was expecting the worst, derogatory remarks anti america, generally being shunned-that sort of thing. Instead the people there treated us great. Every been to a polish wedding?? Take a polish get together times 2 on the friendly scale. That was a pivotal moment in my life where I started to question posters on FR and their "let's nuke them, kill all the muzzies comments"
95% of the muslim peope are great, they want the same thing you do in life- a good education for their kids, a nice job, nice place to live etc . It's the very local violant 5% the world has problems with. There is a article n National Geographic this month regarding Syria. You need to read it. The people in Syria hate Al Quada.
My solution? Get the peaceful and moderate muslims to hold the fire to the feet of the violant ones. We can no longer solve this miltarily as Hayek Fan has pointed out much better than myself.

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-30 18:14:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#153. To: PaulCJ, Hayek Fan, Horse (#149)
It's more a "line forms to the left" situation as to who wants to destroy the U.S. and mass-murder the U.S. population.

Paul, here's a publication that might interest you on the subject of mass-murder and wanton destruction.
www.veteransforpeace.org/.../WarCrimesTimesFall09.pdf

More information about the organization, comprised of US vets, that published the piece can be found here:
www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=109453

scrapper2 posted on 2009-10-30 18:15:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#154. To: scrapper2 (#150)
Mr. Hoh will likely be demonized by PaulCJ and the rest of the armchair commando's on LP. It's all part of how they "support the troops."
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 18:16:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#155. To: PaulCJ (#148)
. Yea, you want people to ignore the dangers happening in the world.

Paul The Muslims have much more to worry about(losing their culture) than the people in the west. The entire world is becoming westernized at a rapid place-and that includes the muslim countries.
What is Iran's population mix?? Something like 40-50% of the population is less than 25 years old. Something to that effect.
They wear jeans and US hip clothes, go to US fast food style restaunts, post on Youtube and listen to their Ipods and did I mention they just LOVE western culture.

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-30 18:21:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#156. To: belmontconservative (#152)
I lived in Turkey, Belgium and Germany while growing up as a military brat and lived and worked with Saudi's, Kuwaiti's, Somalian's and Bosnian Muslim's during my time in the army. They are just people like everyone else. Maybe that's why I do not see them as bogymen. My guess is that the majority of those who do are either Israeli-firsters or Americans who have never been out of the country and are xenophobic. This idea that all muslim's are these red-eyed devils waiting to slit open our throat's is cartoonish at best.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 18:24:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#157. To: Hayek Fan (#151)
It must be very stressful going through life being such a coward.

Stating a problem is the first part of solving that problem. The U.S. population has more enemies than it has allies.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 18:28:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#158. To: belmontconservative (#155)
The Muslims have much more to worry about(losing their culture) than the people in the west.

More like westerners are more worried about losing their culture to politicial correctness or islam.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 18:29:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#159. To: PaulCJ (#157)
The U.S. population has more enemies than it has allies.

Yeah. That damned US media making everyone hate us for our freedoms. /sarcasm.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 18:30:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#160. To: Hayek Fan (#154)
Mr. Hoh will likely be demonized by PaulCJ and the rest of the armchair commando's on LP. It's all part of how they "support the troops."

You are one of the one's throwing insults at those who disagree with you.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 18:30:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#161. To: PaulCJ (#157)
Stating a problem is the first part of solving that problem

Killing every Muslim man, woman and child on the face of the Earth in order to make you feel safe is not a solution it's a fantasy.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 18:31:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#162. To: belmontconservative (#152)
95% of the muslim peope are great, they want the same thing you do in life- a good education for their kids, a nice job, nice place to live etc . It's the very local violant 5% the world has problems with. There is a article n National Geographic this month regarding Syria. You need to read it. The people in Syria hate Al Quada.

If the 95% of muslims can stop the other 5% and get a hold and stop the more fanatical approaches of islam, then I will likely change my opinion of muslim religion to a more positive position.
I am sure 95% of the communists in the world are nice, though the part of the 5% of the communists in D.C. wants the heads of my family, friends and myself on pikes because of either us either being white skinned, conservative/libertarian, or part of the middle class (it all depends on what those in D.C. are demonizing that day).

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 18:35:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#163. To: Hayek Fan (#161)
Killing every Muslim man, woman and child on the face of the Earth in order to make you feel safe is not a solution it's a fantasy.

I am not part of the "sheet of glass" group. I posed a radical suggestion to stop muslim fanatics to see if anyone could come up with a less destructive, more productive solution. That solution has yet to appear.
To many people prefer to complain and make insults instead.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 18:37:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#164. To: Hayek Fan (#151)
The members of the United States military are not your enemy.

True, but those in D.C. who command the U.S. military are the enemies of the U.S. population.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 18:38:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#165. To: PaulCJ (#158)
More like westerners are more worried about losing their culture to politicial correctness or islam.

As Hayek has opointed out you need to travel throughout the world more often.

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-30 18:44:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#166. To: Pinguinite, christine (#23)
At this point, all internet traffic should be encrypted. It's as simple as that.

I'll donate the encryption software that I found if you can make it work with the 4um. Not that it is very expensive... maybe $45 for a one site license.
Let me get this straight.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo
Critter posted on 2009-10-30 18:47:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#167. To: PaulCJ (#158) (Edited)
More like westerners are more worried about losing their culture to politicial correctness or islam.

Think more carefully about the multitude of ACLU's anti-Christian, anti-heterosexual family unit lawsuits - is it Muslims who generate them?
Think about the decadence promoted by Hollywood and TV media and the growth of the pornography industry - is it Muslims who control Hollywood and media and porno film industry manufacturing?
Think about the origins of political correctness and from what quarter that philosophy came.
Think about our nation's current slavish worship of multi-culturalism/diversity that replaced melting-pot philosophy - do you think Muslims are responsible for that?
Think about the leaders in movements like feminism, pro-abortion, homosexuality...the names are not Muslim.

scrapper2 posted on 2009-10-30 18:47:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#168. To: Fred Mertz (#115)
The hits just keep on coming.

336. To: Don (#316) I had to work with her and avoid her advances every morning. I'm past the point of GARA if she decides to ban me. She's very lucky, we had a lot of breast cancer where we worked. Those flat chested girls didn't have that problem.
I had "hiding places" for my coffee cup so I could wait until she would vacate the "hot water pot" before I got my coffee. She could fund this board for a week or month if the money/time I spent avoiding her went towards the board.
BTW, I bought the "hot water pot" with money from the coffee fund. I'm not sure she put her dime in for coffee, sugar and that fake milk stuff. It was an honor system. Like 1984, some animals think they are better than others.
reaganisright posted on 2009-10-30 18:18:42 ET

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 18:56:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#169. To: PaulCJ (#158) (Edited)
More like westerners are more worried about losing their culture to politicial correctness or islam.

Paul, as I pointed out they have more to worry about losing their culture than we have to worry losing our western culture to islam.

The Avenues is one of the largest malls in Kuwait. Located in the Al- Rai Industrial Area, along the Fifth Ring Road, the first phase of the mall was official launched in April 2007.

The mall houses few of the world’s renowned fashion chains, restaurants, a hypermarket, coffee shops, entertainment venues and 11-screen Cineplex. Few of the renowned outlets in the mall are the Zara, Debenhams, Lacoste, Guess, NEXT, H&M, GAP, MEXX, Diesel, and IKEA and the Carrefour hypermarket, which is one of the largest hypermarket chains in the world.
As for the foodies, the mall includes the well-known fast food outlets including the Pizza Express, T.G.I. Friday’s, Ruby Tuesday’s, Nando’s, Chili’s, Pizza Hut, Johnny Rockets, KFC, McDonald’s, Pizza Express, KFC, Burger King, Hardee’s, Costa Coffee, Starbucks, Caribou Coffee, Le Notre, Dunkin’ Donuts, The Chocolate Bar, Columbus Coffee, and the Krispy Kreme.

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-30 18:56:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#170. To: PaulCJ (#160)
You are one of the one's throwing insults at those who disagree with you.

Calling you a chicken hawk is not an insult it's the truth. You advocate the murder of women and children because their men fight a foreign occupation army in the same way that we would if the shoe were on the other foot. You advocate continued war on the entire Muslim population with the rationale that they all want to kill us and that we are in a "war for our very survival" yet absolutely refuse to shoulder any responsible or participate in "saving" the nation.
I believe chickenhawk is the most polite and truthful term I could use to describe you.
As for the rest, you are right, I did throw insults. No snot nosed kid who refuses to fight against the Muslim hoard he claims is out to destroy this nation (your words) is going call me names without getting an ass chewing when I've been put in harm's way for this country.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-10-30 18:57:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#171. To: PaulCJ (#148)
double-speak

Doublespeak? I didn't mean to be oblique. Let me try to be clearer, then. You're an armchair infantry, let's-you-and-him fight coward with the mental capacity of a retarded garden slug, you inbred felchwaffle.
You wanna kill Muslims, sign up, join up, and get the fuck to where most of them are.
There. That should have removed most of the ambiguity from it.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 18:59:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#172. To: Samuel Gray (#168)
I'm past the point of GARA

I'm tired and hungry but what is GARA?

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-30 19:02:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#173. To: abraxas (#146)
This sure soundls like a threat to me........
Destro: "I am getting this website banned from public access computers like in libraries because of it."

That is not a threat but a public service. You left off the part where the thing that will get LP banned is its online poster's obscene not meant for public viewing by kids content. No threat involved.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 19:04:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#174. To: PaulCJ, Hayek Fan, belmontconservative (#156)
I lived in Turkey, Belgium and Germany while growing up as a military brat and lived and worked with Saudi's, Kuwaiti's, Somalian's and Bosnian Muslim's during my time in the army. They are just people like everyone else.

I'll restate this for the thousandth time on these forums.
I lived in the Gulf for five years, cheek by jowl with Muslims. I have to stretch my memory to recall even the very few Muslims that were even the least bit militant out of the thousands that met and the hundreds that I got to know well enough to know what made them tick.
The average Arab or Muslim is concerned first of all with his family. Do they have all the good stuff materially? Can he find his daughter a decent guy? Will his son go to a good school? Does his wife have everything she needs and wants? Then he is concerned with finding and keeping a decent job. Thirdly, there is his social life, which I have found is even more precious to him than it is to Americans with our relatively atomized culture.
The average Arab or Muslim is pretty cynical about politics and is as likely to be nearly as cynical about democracy as he is to the sort of ruling elites that he obligated to pay homage to. A great number of these people like our culture and know far more about it than we know of theirs.
In my experience I have met far, far more Americans with a chip on their shoulders that are willing to sign up and whack ragheads than Arabs who want to sign up and fight us.
But put armed men on someone else's soil and in someone else' streets and you'll find their attitudes changed. That's true everywhere and in all times. Then your only choice will be the Roman Way. You'll have to conscript citizens and stand on subjects' necks. For generations. And you know what? We can't and won't do it because we are not Romans.
I believe that we are coming to the end of our rope with these adventures, and I for one am glad about that.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 19:04:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#175. To: belmontconservative (#172)
Giv(ing) a rat's ass (GARA)

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-30 19:07:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#176. To: Destro (#173)
The host site at http://www.inetebiz.com/ will soon act on the fact LP is a hate site, uses perveerted language and images and members advocating the violent overthrow of the government, promoting racism, etc.

Did you also write this?
What is racist or anti-government or violent is, in many cases, dependent on how that material is individually construed.
One wonders, with due respect, if posters here should be concerned about this prospect.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 19:09:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#177. To: PaulCJ (#62)
Yea, I did. I also suggested that a muslim mosque, or muslim holy site be destroyed for each muslim terrorist act committed.

So for each Palestinian child killed by the IDF, should a synagogue be blown up, or for each Afghan or Iraqi killed by a Christian soldier, should a church be blown up?
That IS your logic, isn't it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-30 19:13:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#178. To: Samuel Gray (#168)
This stuff is classic. Did Gump get banned yet?
I'm almost caught up over there. Screw football (WVU vs. SF)...I've got elPee.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 20:29:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#179. To: randge (#176)
What is racist or anti-government or violent is, in many cases, dependent on how that material is individually construed.

I gave examples in the body of this thread as to what I am talking about. Also were constant posts about fellatio, beastiality acts, genocidal acts and so on by Goldi's collection of kooks and wierdos.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 20:32:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#180. To: Fred Mertz, Samuel Gray (#178)
Looks like reaganisright and Goldi worked in an office where they traded porn tapes around. Makes sense she is who she is now when that is known!
http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=276986&Disp=335#C335
"I had an assistant for a short time named Sharon, but never had an "office". Seems she took home the "movie" the guys shared, and lost all of their respect afterwards"
That would be "Skonervision", we showed that movie to the top brass at our Oyster Roast, a party that went back to the 50s and we always had porn, no way in HE77 she lost respect for the same movie the girls in purchasing passed around every night. And it wasn't even good porn, it was filth. You got that one wrong. You don't have a clue. BTW, that film was shown at the Oyster Roast I hosted.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 20:36:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#181. To: Destro (#130)
Fred can you tell Goldi for me that if she sues my lawyers...

Nope on that one. She replied to your last comment to her that I communicated.
I don't want to see legal stuff/ lawsuits about a chat forum.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 20:45:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#182. To: Hayek Fan (#156)
My guess is that the majority of those who do are either Israeli-firsters or Americans who have never been out of the country and are xenophobic. This idea that all muslim's are these red-eyed devils waiting to slit open our throat's is cartoonish at best.

I might guess there are more ill informed Americans who are ready to slit Muslim's throat's than the tiny percentage of Islam radicals that are actionable to the same violence.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-10-30 20:54:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#183. To: belmontconservative (#152)
That was a pivotal moment in my life where I started to question posters on FR and their "let's nuke them, kill all the muzzies comments"

Outside of tortured communities, Islam society is criminally much safer place to be than western societies.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-10-30 20:58:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#184. To: PaulCJ (#162)
, though the part of the 5% of the communists in D.C. wants the heads of my family, friends and myself on pikes because of either us either being white skinned, conservative/libertarian, or part of the middle class (it all depends on what those in D.C. are demonizing that day).

Nuts.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-10-30 21:01:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#185. To: FormerLurker (#177)
So for each Palestinian child killed by the IDF, should a synagogue be blown up, or for each Afghan or Iraqi killed by a Christian soldier, should a church be blown up?

Depends on who first started the battle in question.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 21:07:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#186. To: Fred Mertz (#181)
I don't blame you - I just wanted her to dance some more for my amusment. I have her email. This was better than any sports on TV today.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-30 21:07:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#187. To: Samuel Gray (#171)
Doublespeak? I didn't mean to be oblique. Let me try to be clearer, then. You're an armchair infantry, let's-you-and-him fight coward with the mental capacity of a retarded garden slug, you inbred felchwaffle.

And you are posting this while standing? LOL!

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 21:09:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#188. To: PaulCJ (#162)
If the 95% of muslims can stop the other 5% and get a hold and stop the more fanatical approaches of islam, then I will likely change my opinion o

Paul, The British and, unfortunately, the US, actions toward the Islam world has been by far the most fueled propellant for the radicalization of Islamic attitudes V. the west in the last few centuries.
Our foreign policies and short sighted, arrogant hubris, has, quite understandably, fed their nationalistic and religion paranoia, and thus radicalized some members of their community.
Israel Looms high in this. Our unrepentant support for the many crimes the Zionists has proven, to much of the Islam world, that the US will always support the predatory racist views of Zion V. the people of Islam.
So far their analysis seem entirely correct.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-10-30 21:10:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#189. To: Hayek Fan (#170) (Edited)
You advocate the murder of women and children because their men fight a foreign occupation army in the same way that we would if the shoe were on the other foot.

You sound like someone with "stockholm syndrome".
With that statement, you are defending the terrorists blowing up U.S. soldiers and civilians.
That is quite hypocritical of you.
Yet, you complain about my SUGGEST, while defending terrorists that are doing worse acts.
My suggestion has not happened in reality.
You are on the other hand are defending actions THAT HAVE ACTUALLY HAPPENED! Suffering that has actually happened! Deaths that has actually happens!
You need to think long and hard about what you have posted.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 21:12:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#190. To: scrapper2 (#167)
Think about our nation's current slavish worship of multi-culturalism/diversity that replaced melting-pot philosophy - do you think Muslims are responsible for that?

And consider this - how much is Israel promoting multi culturalism?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-10-30 21:12:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#191. To: scrapper2 (#167)
Think more carefully about the multitude of ACLU's anti-Christian, anti-heterosexual family unit lawsuits - is it Muslims who generate them?
Think about the decadence promoted by Hollywood and TV media and the growth of the pornography industry - is it Muslims who control Hollywood and media and porno film industry manufacturing?
Think about the origins of political correctness and from what quarter that philosophy came.
Think about our nation's current slavish worship of multi-culturalism/diversity that replaced melting-pot philosophy - do you think Muslims are responsible for that?
Think about the leaders in movements like feminism, pro-abortion, homosexuality...the names are not Muslim.

That is why I said in my previous post, "political correctness" OR "islam". The things you listed are part of the "political correctness" part of my post.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 21:15:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#192. To: PaulCJ (#189)
You advocate the murder of women and children because their men fight a foreign occupation army in the same way that we would if the shoe were on the other foot.
You sound like someone with "stockholm syndrome".

Sounds like someone rational.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-10-30 21:15:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#193. To: All (#164)
True, but those in D.C. who command the U.S. military are the enemies of the U.S. population.

If all you got amounts too, "shut up because I like the other guy's post better", then your statement is pathetic.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 21:18:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#194. To: tom007 (#192)
Sounds like someone rational.

By whose standard?
Keep in mind, by his statement, he is defending the terrorists blowing up U.S. soldiers and civilians. Which is hypocritical of him.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-30 21:19:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#195. To: PaulCJ (#194)
Keep in mind, by his statement, he is defending the terrorists blowing up U.S. soldiers and civilians.

No he's not Paul. I'll let you figure it out - if you can.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-10-30 21:22:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#196. To: PaulCJ (#117)
The terrorists will then follow us back here to the U.S.

The terrorists are now and have been here quite a while--see my tagline.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-30 21:40:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#197. To: PaulCJ (#194)
It's actually the inverse of the Stockholm syndrome.
We're surrounded by blood-thirsty militarists and we're not giving in.

randge posted on 2009-10-30 22:11:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#198. To: Critter, christine (#166)

I'll donate the encryption software that I found if you can make it work with the 4um. Not that it is very expensive... maybe $45 for a one site license.

Encrypting the site is no big deal. I could do that for no cost except that everyone would have security warnings on their browsers they'd have to click through to get to the site. Avoiding that requires registering the encryption, and the cost for that is coming down.
What's the software you're referring to?

Pinguinite posted on 2009-10-30 22:29:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#199. To: Pinguinite (#198)
Hi Neil!

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-30 22:35:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#200. To: Samuel Gray (#100)
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Eric Stratton posted on 2009-10-30 23:43:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#201. To: Fred Mertz (#98)
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Eric Stratton posted on 2009-10-30 23:43:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#202. To: PaulCJ (#191)
That is why I said in my previous post, "political correctness" OR "islam". The things you listed are part of the "political correctness" part of my post.

Huh? How does Islam pose a threat to our culture?
Here's what you stated previously: "More like westerners are more worried about losing their culture to politicial correctness or islam."
Muslims aren't threatening our culture. They are not attacking our nation's Christian historical under pinnings. Muslims are not under mining the importance of the traditional family unit. Islam is not polluting our society with decadence through film, TV, porno, print publications. Muslims are not the leadership in movements homosexuality, radical feminism, abortion on demand.
All the foes of American traditional culture have one common denominator and it's not Islam.

scrapper2 posted on 2009-10-31 2:46:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#203. To: PaulCJ (#187)
Rikki-tikki was too well bred to bite or scratch, but as soon as Teddy was asleep he went off for his nightly walk round the house, and in the dark he ran up against Chuchundra, the muskrat, creeping round by the wall.
Chuchundra is a broken-hearted little beast. He whimpers and cheeps all the night, trying to make up his mind to run into the middle of the room, but he never gets there.
``Don't kill me,'' said Chuichundra, almost weeping. ``Rikki-tikki, don't kill me.''
``Do you think a snake-killer kills musk-rats?'' said Rikki-tikki scornfully.
``Those who kill snakes get killed by snakes,'' said Chuchundra, more sorrowfully than ever. ``And how am I to be sure that Nag won't mistake me for you some dark night?''
``There's not the least danger,'' said Rikki-tikki; ``but Nag is in the garden, and I know you don't go there.''
``My cousin Chua, the rat, told me --'' said Chuchundra, and then he stopped.
``Told you what?''
``H'sh! Nag is everywhere, Rikki-tikki. You should have talked to Chua in the garden.''
``I didn't -- so you must tell me. Quick Chuchundra, or I'll bite you!''
Chuchundra sat down and cried till the tears rolled off his whiskers. ``I am a very poor man,'' he sobbed. ``I never had spirit enough to run out into the middle of the room. H'sh! I musn't tell you anything.

I doubt you read anything more detailed than frozen dinner instructions, but on the off chance you have, I'll say you remind me of Chuchundra in Rikki Tikki Tavi, the scared little muskrat who only crept around the walls, and was too fearful to go into the center of the room. I posted the pertinent part for you above.
In his case, the threat (cobras) was real, and yes, someone else fought his battles for him.
In yours, well, just stick your head out the door. Look carefully around. Any Muslims? Anywhere? No? No one with explosives strapped to them coming toward you? Better check thoroughly. They could be anywhere.
That's no way to live, Chuch. Read and learn something.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 8:18:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#204. To: PaulCJ (#189)
With that statement, you are defending the terrorists blowing up U.S. soldiers and civilians.

He is not suggesting that in the least. Go back and read what he has posted

belmontconservative posted on 2009-10-31 8:18:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#205. To: scrapper2 (#202) (Edited)
Muslims aren't threatening our culture. They are not attacking our nation's Christian historical under pinnings. Muslims are not under mining the importance of the traditional family unit. Islam is not polluting our society with decadence through film, TV, porno, print publications. Muslims are not the leadership in movements homosexuality, radical feminism, abortion on demand.
All the foes of American traditional culture have one common denominator and it's not Islam.

Exactly!!!
Only the braindead cannot see this.

More: Radical muslims do not own and run the great financial con job known as Wall Street/Federal Reserve. No radical Muslim country owns and runs American foreign policy and can write checks on the US treasury whenever it wants.

But just try explaining that to the average federal media news viewer.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 8:44:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#206. To: X-15, Twenty Twelve (#128)
I know. yukon is NOT Goldi-pox.

Yukon posted to 22rifle that there are as many as three posters under that ID just to mess with posters such as Twenty Twelve during the Ron Paul campaign. That post no longer exists (I had it saved but lost it) although Joe Snuffy noted and made a comment to it, which he later denied after the comments were erased. So I also know what a true blue "Good Christian" poster Joe Snuffy is, he's just another con.
BTW another good poster I don't see there now is Fresno Grifter.

mininggold posted on 2009-10-31 12:08:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#207. To: mininggold (#206)
Three separate yukons? That's almost too much stupid for the universe to bear. It would explain his 24 hour a day posting regimen though.
And ol' Mad Dog slipped a month or so ago and said something typically misogynistic about his ex wife. Given his propensity toward that sort of behavior, I believe we can infer that his ex took him for everything in the divorce and that he's a small, small man, in many ways.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 12:12:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#208. To: Samuel Gray (#207) (Edited)
And ol' Mad Dog slipped a month or so ago and said something typically misogynistic about his ex wife. Given his propensity toward that sort of behavior, I believe we can infer that his ex took him for everything in the divorce and that he's a small, small man, in many ways.

He's also getting pretty old if his posting of having been stationed at Mare Island in the early sixties is any indication of age. I think he spent too much time at the old Top Hat there. I mentioned it once and that's when he first went ballistic on me. With his temper I'm sure the Navy cut him short expecially during peace time.

mininggold posted on 2009-10-31 12:19:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#209. To: scrapper2 (#202)
How does Islam pose a threat to our culture?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/02/a-free-speech-killer/
A U.N. resolution that makes it a crime for people in western nations to criticize islam.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=113710
More closer to home, CAIR (a muslim organization) sues anyone that criticizes them.
Muslim/islam religion is a threat to western culture.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 12:23:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#210. To: mininggold (#208)
With his temper I'm sure the Navy cut him short expecially during peace time.

He aggressively identifies himself with his service, so that's a good bet there were some issues underlying it.
Bitter, old, woman-hating drunk. If you've watched his posting style toward females, it tells all you need to know about him.
He's been "killing Commies" since the early 60s, eh? His time's about up, then, I'd guess.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 12:23:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#211. To: PaulCJ (#209)
More closer to home, CAIR (a muslim organization) sues anyone that criticizes them.
Muslim/islam religion is a threat to western culture.

I doubt they can hold a candle to the other tribe's ADL, AIPAC etc. lawsuits.
The threat to western culture has come from within, dual citizens for the most part with allegiance NOT to the US.

mininggold posted on 2009-10-31 12:31:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#212. To: Samuel Gray (#203)
In his case, the threat (cobras) was real, and yes, someone else fought his battles for him.

And how do you know he's telling the truth. I don't know. You don't know. I haven't call him out for proof because I was being polite.
Are you supporting him because his claims of military service? Or do you support him for his views? I do hope it is for the latter reason, because if it is for the former reason, then you are very gullible.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 12:31:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#213. To: mininggold (#211)
1. I doubt they can hold a candle to the other tribe's ADL, AIPAC etc. lawsuits.
2. The threat to western culture has come from within, dual citizens for the most part with allegiance NOT to the US.

1. The U.S. is being attacked on several fronts.
2. I completely agree. A person cannot be loyal to two different nations.
It is hard enough to balance one's loyal to one's family and one's nation.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 12:34:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#214. To: PaulCJ (#209)
A U.N. resolution that makes it a crime for people in western nations to criticize islam

Rather selective on what you deem a threat. Israel has pushed these laws in all over the western world and I haven't heard a peep out of you. The ADL, right here at home, sues or pesonally destroys people with an anti-semetic label for the slightest criticism of ISRAEL, not even for criticizing the Jewish faith.
So, do you deem the these radical Jewish groups a threat to western culture? If not, why the double standard?

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 12:38:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#215. To: Samuel Gray (#210)
He's (Mad Dog) been "killing Commies" since the early 60s, eh? His time's about up, then, I'd guess.

Yet, in the your disagreements with Mad Dog, by your own standards, he is the "cobra" and you are the "chuchundra".

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 12:41:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#216. To: abraxas (#214)
Rather selective on what you deem a threat.

I have posted mostly on LP.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 12:42:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#217. To: mininggold (#114)
I think buckeroo has a picture taken a few years back.

Yeah ... I have pictures on most everyone........
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 12:43:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#218. To: PaulCJ (#212)
?? That makes two of us, now, Paul, who don't know what the hell you're talking about.
I don't know about anyone's military service or on what they base their opinions.
I'm telling *you*, if you're so goddamned scared of the "Muslim threat", then do something besides exhorting someone else to go eradicate it, for fuck's sake.
The world is full of sharp edges. Stop being a pussy.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 12:44:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#219. To: Samuel Gray (#218)
Samuel Gray: "Stop being a pussy."

Some posts are their own punchline.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 12:48:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#220. To: scrapper2 (#202)
How does Islam pose a threat to our culture?

You're kidding, right?

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 12:50:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#221. To: Liberator (#219)
Hey, look who's back. Whenever Goldi kegels, you're the sound that comes out.
Whatsammatter, small one, can't decide which forum is worthy of your 'greatness?'

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 12:50:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#222. To: tom007, PaulCJ (#188) (Edited)
Our foreign policies and short sighted, arrogant hubris, has, quite understandably, fed their [Islamic] nationalistic and religion paranoia, and thus radicalized some members of their community.

So lemme get this straight...
WITHOUT U.S. aggression in the Middle East, Islam is actually a "Religion of Peace"?
I guess all those Parisan "yoots" in France setting fire to cars and demanding Sharia Law, the raving Imam loons in Great Britain fomenting violence against the West, and the Koraniacs who are turning Scandinavia into Muslim nightmares are our fault as well?

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 12:56:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#223. To: PaulCJ (#213)
1. The U.S. is being attacked on several fronts.

I don't see any attacks, I only see loopholes allowing others to take advantage of us. Moderate inconveniences in the giant scheme of things, but keep up your consuming and don't take note of your rights flying out the door.
Create an economy that encourages young people to sign up for the military in order to survive and have a foreign policy that sends them overseas. Do you not see something significantly wrong with that?

mininggold posted on 2009-10-31 12:58:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#224. To: Samuel Gray, aka US_GRANT, aka, Brain_Griffin (#221)
I must say you are quite the flatterer, US_Gray...or is it Samuel_GRANT? Even better - LAME_Loser.
What is that now - FIVE mentions of me in this thread alone...and yet no one bit on your lame bait?
Tsk.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 13:00:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#225. To: PaulCJ (#213)
1. The U.S. is being attacked on several fronts.

That is so true.
The Zionist Jews in my tagline are hyperactive on so many levels.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 13:02:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#226. To: Liberator (#224)
Brian Griffin was a great poster and witty. I think you are jealous because he was banned and you were not. Maybe you could get your bud BTS to post a vanity thread about how YOU should be banned, that should do the trick. lol

mininggold posted on 2009-10-31 13:37:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#227. To: mininggold (#226)

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 13:43:24 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#228. To: Liberator (#227)
It's too bad the you have to distract when your overwhelming craving for booze hits. Check out AA or maybe even NA for help. BTS can probably help in that department too. lolol

mininggold posted on 2009-10-31 13:50:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#229. To: mininggold, lololololol (#228)
lolol

lolol x infinity

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 14:01:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#230. To: Liberator (#229)
lolol x infinity

It's alright, a little nappy nap will sober you up.
lolololol

mininggold posted on 2009-10-31 14:04:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#231. To: Liberator (#222)
"So lemme get this straight...WITHOUT U.S. aggression in the Middle East, Islam is actually a "Religion of Peace"? I guess all those Parisan "yoots" in France setting fire to cars and demanding Sharia Law, the raving Imam loons in Great Britain fomenting violence against the West, and the Koraniacs who are turning Scandinavia into Muslim nightmares are our fault as well?"

Where did he say that? Or are you making stuff up again?

Big Meanie posted on 2009-10-31 14:17:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#232. To: Liberator (#224)
yet no one bit

Actually, you bit at least twice. And will again, with another theory of who you think I might be today.
Of course, since you're no one, technically, your quoted statement is correct.
I always wondered that about you, you are *so* adamantly against the "new world order", whatever that is, but you're nothing in the old world order, so what makes you think that the new one might not offer you some opportunity for advancement? One has to think that anything besides being Y(f)uktard's informer would be an improvement for you.
I gotta say, though, your public, obvious overestimation of your influence on Goldi yesterday was just top-notch humor. The rooster didn't even crow three times before she denied you. Still sent her a check last time her servers broke, didn't you, genius?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 14:27:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#233. To: Liberator (#224)
"What is that now - FIVE mentions of me in this thread alone...and yet no one bit on your lame bait?"

Perhaps it's because people tend to respond only to posts that they disagree with.

Big Meanie posted on 2009-10-31 14:27:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#234. To: buckeroo (#217)
I have pictures on most everyone

Someone was "kind" enough to send me Goldi's pic. Stevie Wonder wouldn't hit that.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 14:29:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#235. To: Samuel Gray (#234)
Someone was "kind" enough to send me Goldi's pic.

Years ago, I was tenacious about this sort of presentation especially when pushed into a corner. I have backed-offed completely because it really does nothing other than create turmoil and potential despair. I have realized that the act creates an intrusion into and upon personal rights and liberties and freedoms.
I have learned from past mistakes and even in a humourous mode attempting to create caricatures, I refuse to perform such a post anymore.
Each and everyone of us have a serious and REAL right to his/her own dignity. The goals are to learn from each other and potentially increase our own capability for mutual respect and personal success.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 14:39:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#236. To: Fred Mertz (#199)
Hi Fred.

Pinguinite posted on 2009-10-31 14:41:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#237. To: Big Meanie, tom007 (#231)
Where did he say that? Or are you making stuff up again?

Well, Big Dopie - if you noticed, my post was a series of questions and required further clarification.
Below is more of Tom's post:
"The British and, unfortunately, the US, actions toward the Islam world has been by far the most fueled propellant for the radicalization of Islamic attitudes V. the west in the last few centuries."
I certainly challenge this assertion.
Islam needs no encouragement or "fuel" to be what it is: A hostile "Religion of Peace" and Death Cult which threatens the liberty and culture of ANY patch of land they lay their dirty, smelly foot on.
Do you agree or disagree?

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 14:44:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#238. To: Samuel Gray (#232)
Actually, you bit at least twice.

We both know that's a desperate spin on your part.
I always wondered that about you, you are *so* adamantly against the "new world order"...
As a fascist Leftist who worships The Boot, you would.
One has to think that anything besides being Y(f)uktard's informer would be an improvement for you.

(yawn) Try harder, Cartoon character.
The rooster didn't even crow three times before she [Goldi] denied you.
Again, I'm flattered at your studious attention and lapdog status. The biblical reference was commendable. Consider your head patted and ears scratched.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 14:53:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#239. To: mininggold (#223)
I don't see any attacks,

That is because the attacks are from economic and political areas. All the tyrannical and economically damaging bills passing through congress are by politicians bought off by foreign nations with the intent to destroy the U.S. from within.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 15:00:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#240. To: Liberator (#222)
I guess all those Parisan "yoots" in France setting fire to cars and demanding Sharia Law, the raving Imam loons in Great Britain fomenting violence against the West, and the Koraniacs who are turning Scandinavia into Muslim nightmares are our fault as well?

I already mentioned those events on this thread. Some of the people here are not listening.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 15:02:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#241. To: Pinguinite (#236)
Hey, if you really are Neill, isn't there something to pull the plug on LP once and for all, or did you sign away all rights?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 15:33:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#242. To: Liberator (#220)
scrapper: How does Islam pose a threat to our culture?
Liberator: You're kidding, right?

No, I'm not kidding.
I asked a question. I have yet to receive an answer from PaulCJ.
And if all you can do is respond to me with a silly put down, then I guess you have no answer either.

scrapper2 posted on 2009-10-31 15:33:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#243. To: Liberator (#238)
I'm sure in your small world, your post made some sense. I suppose being constantly bested by war is starting to take its toll on you.
You really don't seem to belong anywhere. Guessing there's not a Mrs. Littlebaiter, is there?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 15:38:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#244. To: PaulCJ (#239)
That is because the attacks are from economic and political areas. All the tyrannical and economically damaging bills passing through congress are by politicians bought off by foreign nations with the intent to destroy the U.S. from within.

That is because the attacks are from economic and political areas. All the tyrannical and economically damaging bills passing through congress are by politicians bought off by ~~foreign nations~~ ISRAEL with the intent to destroy the U.S. from within.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 15:43:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#245. To: PaulCJ (#209)
a. A U.N. resolution that makes it a crime for people in western nations to criticize islam.
b. More closer to home, CAIR (a muslim organization) sues anyone that criticizes them.

a. Really?
I guess it would be similar - that is, if this resolution ever saw the light of day in Western nations' criminal codes - to the criminalization of Holocaust discussion in several Western nations.
But whereas the Holocaust criminalization has actually been codified and implemented in Western nations', I have yet to hear of any Western nations passing legislation to criminalize criticism of Islam.
b. Really?
And how frequent or successful have the CAIR lawsuits been? I mean if you listen to, view MSM, Islam is criticized directly and indirectly all the time. CAIR's lawsuits don't seem to be scaring talking heads or TV script writers or Hollywood film makers much. Otoh, to criticize Israel or Zionism or neoconservative war mongers is very risky to one's career and reputation - one is painted with the broad brush stroke of anti-semeticsm.
Here's what happened when Drs. Mearsheimer and Walt merely published a paper, supported by an extensive bibliography, about the Israel Lobby. The uproar and consequences and name-calling were quite astounding.
www.haaretz.com/hasen/pag...Src=Y&art=2#article697960
"Kennedy School removes its logo from lobby study"
We have to keep dealing with the pro-Israel lobby "study" - as the uproar and debate over it keeps growing. Yesterday, a friend knocked on my door. He is a senior doctor in one of Washington's best institutions - not a political animal - and he didn't hear anything about this story until he got a copy of this study from an Arab colleague. Amazed after reading it he rushed to my house to ask if I heard about it. (Yes, I do have friends who don't read my blog every day). He was furious. How can they publish such junk in a respectable institution?
Well, this exact question bothered many people in academia. Kennedy School scholar Marvin Kalb attacked the authors, claiming they fail to meet quality standards. Harvard professor, Ruth Wisse, writing an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal on the matter, called for the school to withdraw the paper. "Poor scholarship," she said about the study. Julie Silverstein, the president of the Jewish Student Caucus at the Kennedy School, described the paper in an e-mail as "political rhetoric with an academic imprimatur." She added: "I am very concerned that Walt's piece will inflame the anti-Israel and anti-Semitic bias that often hovers below the surface in academia."
This morning, I received good news from an Israeli official who followed the story, and was able to confirm: Harvard's Kennedy School decided to remove its logo from this paper, and the new version contains a more specific disclaimer warning readers that the views conveyed in the paper are of the authors alone.
The original version had only a weak bottom-of-the-page disclaimer stating that "The views expressed in the KSG do not necessarily reflect those of the John F. Kennedy School of Government or Harvard University." The new disclaimer notched things up: "The two authors of this Working Paper are solely responsible for the views expressed in it? As academic institutions, Harvard University and the University of Chicago do not take positions on the scholarship of individual faculty, and this article should not be interpreted or portrayed as reflecting the official position of either institution". The font used in the disclaimer was also bolder.
The New York Sun - covering this story better than anyone else - quoted Congressman Eliot Engel (Rosner's guest this week) calling the authors "dishonest so-called intellectuals" and saying they are "entitled to their stupidity... the right of the rest of us to expose them for being the anti-Semites they are." It also reported this interesting nugget - which will be quoted by the people supporting the research as yet another proof that the pro-Israel lobby controls America: "Harvard, the observer said, had received 'several calls' from 'pro-Israel donors' expressing concern about the Walt-Mearsheimer paper. One of the angered contributors is said to be the donor who underwrote the chair occupied by Dean Walt, Robert Belfer. Mr. Belfer, a 1958 graduate of Harvard Law School, endowed a faculty chair as part of a $7.5 million gift to the Kennedy School in 1997. In addition to bearing the title of academic dean of the Kennedy School, Mr. Walt is also the Robert and Renee Belfer Professor of International Politics."

scrapper2 posted on 2009-10-31 15:59:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#246. To: wbales (#244)
That is because the attacks are from economic and political areas. All the tyrannical and economically damaging bills passing through congress are by politicians bought off by foreign nations ISRAEL with the intent to destroy the U.S. from within.

Are you ignoring the advances China and other nations are making in destroying the U.S. from within?

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 16:08:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#247. To: Paul CJ, wales (#246)
Are you ignoring the advances China and other nations are making in destroying the U.S. from within?

Those that destroyed America are the oligarchs the Republican party (and some if not most Democrats) have run interference for over these last decades since NAFTA but especially thanks to the scumbag Republican bot base of teabagging and birther kook morons who allow the Republicans to exist.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-10-31 16:54:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#248. To: PaulCJ (#246)
Are you ignoring the advances China and other nations are making in destroying the U.S. from within?

Nothing--no nation--comes even remotely close to the damage Zionist Jews and Israel are now and have been inflicting upon America and Americans.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 16:54:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#249. To: PaulCJ (#246) (Edited)
Are you ignoring the advances China and other nations are making in destroying the U.S. from within?

Oh..gosh darn...wait a minute...
The American-Chinese Political Action committee (ACPAC)!
How could I have forgotten all the money, influence, meetings, power, members and so forth they have in Washington, DC?
And those annual ACPAC conferences where American national leaders pledge allegiance to China...oh, yeah.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 17:04:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#250. To: scrapper2, PaulCJ (#202) (Edited)
How does Islam pose a threat to our culture?

scrapper, you do realize, do you not, that had Amerisrael NOT invaded Iraq and gotten rid of Saddam, his fleet of ocean going battle camels was going to land at Jacksonville and probably would have been all the way past St. Louis within a week.
Whew!! That was really close.
Isn't that right, Paul??
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 17:15:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#251. To: Samuel Gray (#241)
If I pulled the plug on LP, what would we have to talk about around here?
On a serious note, I don't think I'd have any legal say about shutting LP. Too much time has gone by and I've put the software in the public domain.
But what purpose would closing it down serve anyway? Would it make anyone smarter or more free? Would in restore any rights? I don't think so. I don't think it would change anything.

Pinguinite posted on 2009-10-31 17:30:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#252. To: PaulCJ, Religion of Peace (#240)
I already mentioned those events [Parisan "yoots" in France setting fire to cars and demanding Sharia Law, the raving Imam loons] on this thread. Some of the people here are not listening.

I did note the defensive reaction of the blind, deaf, and dumb to Muzzi-mania. After all, it's all apparently an innocuous "Religion of Peace"; Dubya Bush was right (sorta.) WHO KNEW??
It's them, not you of course.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 19:47:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#253. To: scrapper2, PaulCJ (#242)
No, I'm not kidding.
I asked a question. I have yet to receive an answer from PaulCJ.
(How does Islam pose a threat to our culture?)

Are you this oblivious?
Ok pardner - here's a brief primer:
Islam is a threat to ANY culture because it itself is a primitive Death Cult/religion, an ideological cancer, and corrosive fanaticism that utterly destroys and violates liberty, creativity, and common sense WHEREEVER it becomes an influence.
Disagree? History proves otherwise.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 19:54:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#254. To: Pinguinite (#251)
I suppose I'll have to concede the point. People like yukon, byeltsin, Mad Dog, Marguerite, BobCeleste, et al, should not have a voice at the table of reason, (and one could certainly make the strong argument that LP is not) but even if you shut it down, their stupidity would just migrate elsewhere.
After all, I'm sure that somewhere out in cyberspace, that loon TLBShow is still posting.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 19:57:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#255. To: Samuel Gray, US_GRANT (#243)
I'm sure in your small world...

And yet you hang on my every word and post; That must make your world subatomic.
You really don't seem to belong anywhere
Projecting, sonny-boy? You and I both know you are an inadequate misfit. Must be tough for ya.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 20:02:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#256. To: Liberator (#253)
Disagree? History proves otherwise.

History proves that Christianity and Judaism can be viewed in the same light, it is something that all the branches of Ol' Abe's tree have in common.
Are you going to disclude the Crusades and that horrid little tale about Dinah and the Sheshimites, just to name a couple of instances of the top of my head?
Actually, the Muslims were kinder than both Christians and Jews in that they allowed other religions to continue with their faith and did not force conversion or kill gaggles of them after they agreed to convert, trotting in all the males to get circumcized just so that they would be helpless to fend for themselves as the Jews killed them all........

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:03:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#257. To: Liberator (#255)
Making fun of your every word is not the same as hanging on them. That'd be BTS, your baseball buddy.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 20:05:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#258. To: Samuel Gray (#254)
People like yukon, byeltsin, Mad Dog, Marguerite, BobCeleste, et al, should not have a voice at the table of reason, (and one could certainly make the strong argument that LP is not) but even if you shut it down, their stupidity would just migrate elsewhere.

Samuel, if you truly believe in free speech than you believe in that right for ALL, even when you disagree or do not like what they have to say.
People have a first amendment right to spew stupidity and I, for one, will stand up for their rights along side those whom I like what they have to say.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:06:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#259. To: abraxas (#258)
Philosophically, I agree with you. Practically speaking, there are those whose words actually detract from the body of accumulated human knowledge.
My "pick of the week" is BobCeleste, a true fundie nutball moron. He is shamelessly clueless in the service of his God, and does not wish to learn anything that may conflict with that 'worldview.'
Worse than that, he doesn't even think he needs to. Voices like his are not worthy of the platform they are given, oftentimes.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 20:12:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#260. To: wbales (#244)
All the tyrannical and economically damaging bills passing through congress are by politicians bought off by foreign ~~nations~~ ISRAEL with the intent to destroy the U.S. from within.

It's one thing to claim the influence of foreign lobbyists - and of Israel specifically - but to claim Israel ALONE is responsible for a New World Order and the destruction of a sovereign USA is just plain silly.
Money is Money from lobbyists.
What do the ChiCom lobbyists who bought/stole US technology and weaponry system have to do with Israel?
What does the lack of Border Security/Enforcement and the illegal invasion have to do with Israel?
Just how do Muslim Saudis wield so much influence upon US political without the help of Israel?
Btw, why and how was it America (and its joo-dominated gubmint under FDR) REJECTED desperate Jewish immigrants during the Nazi regime?

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 20:14:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#261. To: Samuel Gray (#259)
Philosophically, I agree with you. Practically speaking, there are those whose words actually detract from the body of accumulated human knowledge.

I can't disagree with that, Sam. However, every time they spew idiocy it offers an opportunity to shed some real light on subjects. That's the beauty of discourse, each spewing offers an opportunity to expand human knowledge that would not present itself had the right to spew idiocy been halted.
I have had a go around with ol' Bob too......he generally gives up when proven clueless.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:17:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#262. To: abraxas (#261)
he generally gives up when proven clueless.

The abortionist/witch/fetus tallow candle was it for me with that guy. There's no starting place from which one may launch an assault on that diamond surface of ignorance.
I hope that his sphere of influence is very very small, and that he has not managed to breed.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 20:20:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#263. To: Liberator (#260)
but to claim Israel ALONE is responsible for a New World Order and the destruction of a sovereign USA is just plain silly.

Did I make that claim? I don't recall making that claim.
Actually, the Jewish influence came on the waves of guilt after the Nazi regime. Do you ask why Israel was given a free pass for murdering our Navy service personnel on the USS Liberty? Do you ask why only duel Israeli citizens serve in our goobermint and no other duelees can be found? Do you ask why we the people send hundereds of billions of dollars to a nation that is in better financial shape than our own?
Sheesh, our idiot reps made this nation subservient to China when we allowed them to be the banker for the biggest debtor nation. We borrowed from China to send money to Israel and to pay off Israels neighbors. You tell me how that works cause I'd love to know. Do you give Israel a free pass for selling our military secrets to China too? Some ally.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:23:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#264. To: abraxas (#256)
History proves that Christianity and Judaism can be viewed in the same light, it is something that all the branches of Ol' Abe's tree have in common.

Sorry. Other than sharing the common history in the Old Testament, both your claim and your analogy are baloney. But do carry on...
Are you going to disclude the Crusades and that horrid little tale about Dinah and the Sheshimites, just to name a couple of instances of the top of my head?
"Disclude" in what context? You mean the citation of an era of persecution, corruption, and perversion of true Christianity invalidates its monumental contribution to civilization? You're historically retarded.
Stuff your ignorant "Christianity = Muslim" bullsh*t.
Actually, the Muslims were kinder than both Christians and Jews in that they allowed other religions to continue with their faith and did not force conversion or kill gaggles of them after they agreed to convert, trotting in all the males to get circumcized just so that they would be helpless to fend for themselves as the Jews killed them all........
LOL - yeah. Islam has been a regular "Religion of Peace," hey, Ace? Wow - I haven't heard this one lately; Islam is actually a progressive and tolerant civilization. WHO KNEW??
The very NEXT invention of Islamo-World will be it's first in the last 600 years.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 20:28:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#265. To: abraxas (#263)
(but to claim Israel ALONE is responsible for a New World Order and the destruction of a sovereign USA is just plain silly.)
Did I make that claim? I don't recall making that claim.

Did I quote you? No I didn't Sparky.
You've already destroyed ANY and ALL credibility in your prior post; Not worth my time, sorry.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 20:32:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#266. To: Pinguinite, Samantha Gray (#251)
But what purpose would closing it [LP] down serve anyway? Would it make anyone smarter or more free? Would in restore any rights? I don't think so. I don't think it would change anything.

Apparently, Miss Gray hoped you'd take the bait. She wishes you had Brownshirt Power because she has an axe to grind with LP.
The petty-fantasies of the Fascist-Left ALWAYS involves censorship, restrictions, and usurpation of power....for the sake of power itself.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 20:38:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#267. To: PaulCJ (#185)
Depends on who first started the battle in question.

A wrong in return for a wrong does not make it right. Sheesh, you really WOULD consider that sort of revenge wouldn't you...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 20:39:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#268. To: FormerLurker (#267)
A wrong in return for a wrong does not make it right.

That is usually a tyrant's motto. And gives a tyrant the excuse to commit wrong after wrong without worry of reprisal.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 20:47:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#269. To: Liberator (#264)
You mean the citation of an era of persecution, corruption, and perversion of true Christianity invalidates its monumental contribution to civilization?

Oh, so it's a free pass for Christians, but the gallows for the Muslims. Why do you ignore Muslim contributions in science, astronomy, math, medicines, hospitals, political science, industry, commerce, agriculture, educations, libraries, music?
There are surely similarities between the three branches of Abe, even if you ignore them. Muslims are no more or less peaceful than Christians and Jews historically. Of course, you really aren't up on history are you Lib? You like to toss it out there with no basis or a selective accounting of events.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:48:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#270. To: Liberator (#265)
Did I quote you? No I didn't Sparky.

Then why bring it up? Irrelevent bovine excrement doesn't make for any credibility in your posts, Lib. Throwing stones is a past time itsn't it? You're killing me with your tantrum and defensive stance over a simple little internet chat.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 20:52:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#271. To: abraxas (#269)
When Littlebaby says you're wasting his time, that's his weasel way of saying he can't refute your argument.
His error is in the misuse of the indefinite article "a". It's not "a religion" that has derailed cultural development in every region of the world where it is widely practed, it is just simply 'religion'.
Regardless of the particular brand, it's not that 'a' religion exists, it's that any religion exists. It hobbles and cripples any culture it infests.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 20:54:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#272. To: Liberator (#266)
The petty-fantasies of the Fascist-Left ALWAYS involves censorship, restrictions, and usurpation of power

As you said earlier, some posts are their own punchline. See Moldi-Box's list of bannees and try to breathe life into that weak brownshirt argument again.
I'm predicting you'll do it with your inimitably slimy ass-kissing style of saying it's Goldi's shop, she can do with it as she pleases.
(btw, whoever sent me her pic, and you *know* who you are...I'm having that mug silk-screened onto a Halloween mask. ((((((shudder)))))
Moldy-Box, indeed.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 20:59:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#273. To: PaulCJ (#268)
That is usually a tyrant's motto. And gives a tyrant the excuse to commit wrong after wrong without worry of reprisal.

So you're advocating terrorism as a legitimate means of avenging perceived wrongs?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:00:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#274. To: FormerLurker (#273)
So you're advocating terrorism as a legitimate means of avenging perceived wrongs?

Are you advocating abolishing self-defense? Because that is how your previous post could be interpreted.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 21:01:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#275. To: PaulCJ (#274)
Are you advocating abolishing self-defense? Because that is how your previous post could be interpreted.

You were talking about blowing up churches, synagogues, and mosques. How is blowing one of those up "self defense"?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:03:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#276. To: FormerLurker (#275)
Paulie apparently believes in the right of white, god-fearing Christian folk to 'pre-emptive self-defense', even in cases where those would-be assailants never heard of him and stood less than zero chance of ever coming within a continent of him.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:04:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#277. To: abraxas (#269)
Oh, so it's a free pass for Christians, but the gallows for the Muslims.

Do you actually believe you'd retain even 5% of the same liberties in a Muslim society as in a "Christian" society?
Citing dark eras with which to invalidate a "Christian" culture spanning 2000 years is hardly balanced; The good faaaar outweighed the the bad with respect to Christendom.
There IS NO America without Christian forefathers and Christian concepts of liberty and freedom.
The gallows for Muslims? They can do whatever they please in their part of their world. The moment they lay claim anywhere else, they need to eliminated and disinfected. Yes, like the virus they are. Have you ANY idea how the Muslim hordes have been slaughtering un-Muslim villages in Africa? Naaah.
Why do you ignore Muslim contributions in science, astronomy, math, medicines, hospitals, political science, industry, commerce, agriculture, educations, libraries, music?
There has been ZERO "contrition" by Islam in 600 years. Before that this Death Cult was just a bit less regressive.
There are surely similarities between the three branches of Abe, even if you ignore them.
"Similaries," yes. But you claimed, "history proves that Christianity and Judaism can be viewed in the same light." WHOSE "history"??
Muslims are no more or less peaceful than Christians and Jews historically.
I'm NOT going to humor you. This is as dopey an assertion as I have ever seen.
Of course, you really aren't up on history are you Lib? You like to toss it out there with no basis or a selective accounting of events.
"Tossing" my arse. I'm not the one alienated from both history AND reality.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 21:06:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#278. To: Samuel Gray (#276)
Paulie apparently believes in the right of white, god-fearing Christian folk to 'pre-emptive self-defense',

Those sorts of people are no better than the most rabid jihadist. In fact, they ARE jihadists, just of a different dogma, but same wild-eyed nuttery.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:10:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#279. To: Liberator (#277)
There has been ZERO "contrition" by Islam in 600 years.

MANY scientists, doctors, and engineers are Muslim. So ok, ISLAM has not EVER contributed to science, medicine, etc., but NEITHER has Christianity or Judaism, nor ANY other religion for that matter.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:13:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#280. To: Liberator (#277)
Do you actually believe you'd retain even 5% of the same liberties in a Muslim society as in a "Christian" society?
There IS NO America without Christian forefathers and Christian concepts of liberty and freedom.
But you claimed, "history proves that Christianity and Judaism can be viewed in the same light." WHOSE "history"??

That is truly a stupid argument considering that I have never advocated a Muslim or a Christian society. I like that separation of church and state deal we have going on here. I'm not fond of theocracy.
Make your argument to Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine. Send a thank you card to the Puritans....lol.
Yes, that would be world history. Any in depth study of the relationship between religion and state will prove this outright, Lib. The problem is that you ignore history if it doesn't jive with your current views. Originally, you spoke of Muslims being historically less peaceful than Christians and Jews, which is NOT true at all. Since this is your claim, why don't you cough up some historical data to validate your claim that Christianity and Judaism are historically more peaceful than Muslims? That would be more productive than spewing idiotic insults and throwing tantrums.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 21:19:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#281. To: FormerLurker (#278)
Those sorts of people are no better than the most rabid jihadist. In fact, they ARE jihadists, just of a different dogma, but same wild-eyed nuttery.

The only difference is they lack the courage of their convictions to take the battle to the 'infidels'. For now, they are content to beat their chests and demand that someone else be sent to kill them.
If you blocked out the names of the various fairy tale compilations (koran, torah, bible) and the invisible sky fairies (allah, yahweh, jesus), and just read the rhetoric about who should be killing whom, and which infidel would be roasting on a spit in hell for eternity, all three of the world's 'great' religions would be virtually identical.
No further evidence is needed that the whole mess is a man-made charade intended to imbue their particular brands of xenophobia and bigotry with a divine mandate. Otherwise the equation simplifies to idiots with sticks and rocks killing each other for the barest toehold of advantage.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:27:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#282. To: FormerLurker (#279)
So ok, ISLAM has not EVER contributed to science, medicine, etc., but NEITHER has Christianity or Judaism, nor ANY other religion for that matter.

Easy there, big fella. Them's fightin' words. Did you forget Creation Science?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:28:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#283. To: abraxas (#280)
Originally, you spoke of Muslims being historically less peaceful than Christians and Jews, which is NOT true at all....why don't you cough up some historical data to validate your claim that Christianity and Judaism are historically more peaceful than Muslims?

Of course it is...
But nonetheless, this is hysterical; I actually need "historical data" to convince you of my claim?? Hey wait - lemme grab my retroactive body-count stat-sheet back to the year 1 A.D.
I like that separation of church and state deal we have going on here. I'm not fond of theocracy.
If anyone is "theocratic" it's Islam.
Make your argument to Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine. Send a thank you card to the Puritans....lol.
We'll just ignore the super-majority of Christian Founders in lieu of Paine and Jefferson - happy now? Fact is the principles and tenets of the Founders' BoR and Constitution were Bible-inspired. Islam? Not so much.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 21:31:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#284. To: FormerLurker (#279)
MANY scientists, doctors, and engineers are Muslim.

And taught and trained AT WESTERN UNIVERSITIES.
So ok, ISLAM has not EVER contributed to science, medicine, etc., but NEITHER has Christianity or Judaism, nor ANY other religion for that matter.
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty; Without a doubt - the Judeo-Christian heritage.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 21:37:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#285. To: Samuel Gray (#282)
Did you forget Creation Science?

Oh yeah, the story that says the earth along with the rest of the universe was created 6000 years ago, even though we can see distant galaxies 13 billion light years away (which to a reasonable person would indicate the universe is at least 13 billion years old).
Well golly shucks, I forgot about that. Hmmm, I also forgot about the contribution Judaism has given medicine, the services of a mohel...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:39:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#286. To: Liberator (#284)
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty; Without a doubt - the Judeo-Christian heritage.

Have you ever heard of Sumeria? How about ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome?
Liberty? Well that is a subjective thing. Tell me, do you think the people of Iraq feel more free today than they did? Now that the religious police can arrest people for violating some arcane religious edict, which only started AFTER we "liberated" those people...
How about all those "liberated" people in Abu Ghraib, Bahrain, or other such wonderful places? Are they more free than before?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:43:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#287. To: Liberator (#283)
If anyone is "theocratic" it's Islam

No more so than Jews.
As far as contrition in government for predominately Muslim states, the past 100 years have shown great strides. In areas where the US butts in, such as in Saudi Arabia, there is little to no progress.
Iran became a constitutional monarchy in 1906. The only war that Iran raged was instigated by the US and started by Iraq, no 600 years of warring in that nation. Our so called Christian nation has out warred all other nations in the past 100 years. Iran isn't a perfect model, but it is a model of contrition over the past 600 years and Iranians have multiple cultural contributions in medicine and science during that time span.
Turkey is a parlimentary representative democracy, which is yet another historical example of Muslim contrition in the past 100 years.
Yes, you do need some historical data to be convincing of anything you say for I have proved you wrong again and again with historical data.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 21:43:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#288. To: Liberator (#284)
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty; Without a doubt - the Judeo-Christian heritage.

While Europe was in ruins based upon Judaic-Christian history, the Muslim world harbored the Bible in Constantinople. Apparently, you don't realize how close the three religions are aligned, not just from a fundamental religious philosophy but also a historical basis.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 21:43:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#289. To: Samuel Gray (#281)
If you blocked out the names of the various fairy tale compilations (koran, torah, bible) and the invisible sky fairies (allah, yahweh, jesus), and just read the rhetoric about who should be killing whom, and which infidel would be roasting on a spit in hell for eternity, all three of the world's 'great' religions would be virtually identical.

The sad part is, they don't even follow the words of their own God. Jesus taught "Treat others as you yourself would want to be treated", and "Turn the other cheek". Pretty much a very pacifist and non-violent philosophy, yet, look at what they actually DO or WISH to do...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:46:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#290. To: FormerLurker (#276)
Sammy obviously believes that muslims have the right to put non-muslims to the sword, by either murdering them, or enslaving them.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 21:49:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#291. To: Liberator (#284)
And taught and trained AT WESTERN UNIVERSITIES

No. Prior to our bombing the crap out of Iraq, they had an excellent higher education system. Iran has some outstanding universities as well. Ditto for Turkey.
Gee, is this "Christian" nation of ours advancing or collapsing Lib? We're number one in WARRING, but we don't cut the mustard much these days beyond that. We're number one in DEBT...how's that working in our favor? How Christian is all of our warring to "promote democracy" and "liberate" other nations? Our liberties are currently under assault and you are cheerleading our track record. If our nation is an example of Christianity, every Christian should be ashamed. Honestly, I don't see too much Christianity in action these days. We have a lot of people who rush to church on Sunday and act like asswipes the rest of the week.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 21:49:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#292. To: PaulCJ (#290)
Hey, Paul? Just go to bed for the night. You've dumbed down the internet enough today.
Your homework assignment is to look up the word 'xenophobia' and try to reflect on how it applies to your life.
Run along, now. G'nite.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:50:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#293. To: FormerLurker (#275)
You were talking about blowing up churches, synagogues, and mosques. How is blowing one of those up "self defense"?

I said this twice on this thread. You cannot reason with muslim fanatics and muslim fanatics are not afraid to die.
Threatening to destroy what they value most may be the only way to stop them.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 21:51:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#294. To: Samuel Gray (#292)
Just go to bed for the night.

What's the matter, don't like your own medicine.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 21:51:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#295. To: Liberator (#284)
The question is under which societies and culture civilization has man made his greatest advances, thrived, and quenched his liberty;

If anything, the early church destroyed as much knowledge as possible, burning the Library of Alexandria, killing people who held different beliefs, and setting back science a thousand years or so. That's why it was called the Dark Ages.
Look at the persecution Galileo and others like him suffered. Luckily, science advanced in SPITE of religion, not BECAUSE of it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:52:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#296. To: PaulCJ (#294)
I'm not trying to medicate you, Paulie. Your brand of stupid is terminal, I'm sorry to say.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 21:53:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#297. To: Liberator, PaulCJ (#260)
You are way out of place here.
Your BS queries no longer work on those with the knowledge base that I and most of us on this forum now have.
See my tagline.
When you type "Muslims are out to take over the United States and the world" or some such similar tripe, I, and most here at 4um, see "I am an f-ing braindead idiot."
When you type "We need to worry about China, not Israel." or some such similar tripe, I, and most here at 4um, see "I am an Israel First traitor to America."
This forum is neither FR nor LP.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 21:55:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#298. To: PaulCJ (#293)
Threatening to destroy what they value most may be the only way to stop them.

Becoming no better than what you fear and hate makes you INTO what you fear and hate.
It makes you ONE of them actually.
You have this irrational fear of a different religion. That religion is not the problem, it is those who incite hatred and take away basic necessities from innocent people who are the problem. Look at what the Israelis have done, and are doing to the Palestinian population. Do you think that fosters good will?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:56:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#299. To: PaulCJ (#293)
Threatening to destroy what they value most may be the only way to stop them.

Hi Paul,
And what do "they" value most?
Thanks
Tom
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2009-10-31 21:56:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#300. To: PaulCJ, Samuel Gray (#290)
Sammy obviously believes that muslims have the right to put non-muslims to the sword, by either murdering them, or enslaving them.

Please point out where Sam has said that. I can't seem to find anything like that posted on this thread, or anything implying that either.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 21:59:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#301. To: FormerLurker (#285) (Edited)
Oh yeah, the story that says the earth along with the rest of the universe was created 6000 years ago, even though we can see distant galaxies 13 billion light years away (which to a reasonable person would indicate the universe is at least 13 billion years old).
Well golly shucks, I forgot about that. Hmmm, I also forgot about the contribution Judaism has given medicine, the services of a mohel...

Got it in one. Dinosaurs on the ark, the age of the universe question answered by "god created it to look old", then chinked up the holes between the logs with the mud of faith, not ever realizing there weren't even enough logs there to crucify an itinerant Jewish carpenter...
And the mohel, yes, indeed. Yup, while the Persians (with a nod to the Babylonians) were giving us al jabr, representatives of "el" were biting off the foreskins of infants.
Where would we be as a race if we were bereft of the civilizing influence of religion?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 22:02:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#302. To: abraxas (#280)
Originally, you spoke of Muslims being historically less peaceful than Christians and Jews, which is NOT true at all. Since this is your claim, why don't you cough up some historical data to validate your claim that Christianity and Judaism are historically more peaceful than Muslims?

Frankly, compared to the pacific spread of early Christian evangelism, where moral suasion was the main vehicle for propagating the faith, the first centuries of the spread of Islam were pretty riotous and chaotic, to say the least.
Of the four caliphs that succeeded Mohamed as leaders of the faithful, three were murdered (Umar Uthman and Ali) as well as Husssin the nephew of Ali. Both Ali and Hussein are revered as great Imams be the Shi'a. The Sunni disregard the great veneration in which these two and held, and this difference of opinion persists today as a legacy of the bitter conflicts that were fought in the 7th century.
The years between the death of Mohamed and the end of the first great period of conquests in north Africa and the Near East were tumultuous and riven by complex rivalries, antagonisms and warfare.
Here's a brief precis:
www.princeton.edu/~b atke/itl/denise/right.htm

randge posted on 2009-10-31 22:05:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#303. To: randge (#302)
Thanks range. : )
Yes, I agree that the split in the Muslim faith was bloody and, even today, this is true for the Sunni/Shia rift.
Christians had less killing within the different sects, but I would argue that the Christians were more willing to kill those who refused to convert. People who were not so white were dubbed heathens and savages to merit killing them. I'm sure this was deemed moral suasion at the time.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 22:16:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#304. To: abraxas (#303)
Yeah up thru the period of Pauline conversions, the Christian church lived up to the pacific example of its progenitor.
But once Christianity became a state religion - whoa hoa!
Onward Christian soldiers.

randge posted on 2009-10-31 22:21:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#305. To: randge (#304)
But once Christianity became a state religion - whoa hoa!
Onward Christian soldiers.

I was just reading something about how the British empire used Christianity as a means to steal resources, enslave and keep the people subservient to the king.
I found that the Gnostic persepective was more pacifist and true to the tenants of Christianity, of course, that was one sect that was banished since it was a threat to the political aspirations of a less individualistic and loving view of Christianity.
What is the specific time frame of the Pauline conversions? Does that tie into the demise of the Gnostics?

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 22:29:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#306. To: FormerLurker (#300)
Point to where I previously said, "believes in the right of white".

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:34:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#307. To: wbales (#297)
What's the matter, don't want to reply to my on that thread you pinged me too.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:39:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#308. To: PaulCJ (#306)
Point to where I previously said, "believes in the right of white".

Do you think you have the religious duty to kill Muslims?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 22:39:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#309. To: FormerLurker (#298)
Becoming no better than what you fear and hate makes you INTO what you fear and hate.
It makes you ONE of them actually.
You have this irrational fear of a different religion. That religion is not the problem, it is those who incite hatred and take away basic necessities from innocent people who are the problem. Look at what the Israelis have done, and are doing to the Palestinian population. Do you think that fosters good will?

Do you wish to abolish self-defense? Or should I rephrase; Do you wish to abolish self-defense when it concerns U.S. citizens defending themselves?

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:41:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#310. To: Samuel Gray (#254)
...that loon TLBShow is still posting.

He owes me money.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 22:41:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#311. To: FormerLurker (#308)
Do you think you have the religious duty to kill Muslims?

Only when it is those who seek to steal from, rape, or murder my family, friends, or myself.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 22:42:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#312. To: PaulCJ (#307)
What's the matter, don't want to reply to my on that thread you pinged me too.

No. I'm too afraid.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 22:49:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#313. To: FormerLurker (#286)
Have you ever heard of Sumeria? How about ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome?

Relatively speaking, progressive, thriving societies...
But no comparison to Industrial Age standards of living, creativity, and liberty for the common man.
Liberty? Well that is a subjective thing.
No it isn't.
Tell me, do you think the people of Iraq feel more free today than they did? Now that the religious police can arrest people for violating some arcane religious edict, which only started AFTER we "liberated" those people...
I don't know to WHAT degree the people Iraq feel "liberated" since the fall of Saddam...BUT that's germane to this issue because...
How about all those "liberated" people in Abu Ghraib, Bahrain, or other such wonderful places? Are they more free than before?
Don't know, don't care.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 22:50:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#314. To: PaulCJ (#309)
Are you an Israel Firster or a braindead idiot (as if it matters)?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 22:56:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#315. To: Liberator (#314)
ping to #314
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 22:58:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#316. To: randge (#302)
Frankly, compared to the pacific spread of early Christian evangelism, where moral suasion was the main vehicle for propagating the faith

Oh, you mean how all non-believers such as Jews and Gypsies were put to death, a slow agonizing death by means such as this?
10 Most Frightening Torture Techniques from the Middle Ages
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:01:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#317. To: Liberator (#313)
Don't know, don't care.

Why not?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:01:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#318. To: wbales (#314)
Are you an Israel Firster or a braindead idiot (as if it matters)?

That is a question you should ask yourself. I think "thou protest too much".

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 23:02:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#319. To: FormerLurker, Liberator (#317)
Why not?

I want to intentionally answer for Mr. liberator. He has no principles.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:04:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#320. To: PaulCJ (#311)
Only when it is those who seek to steal from, rape, or murder my family, friends, or myself.

Well that is not the same as what you said earlier. You wanted to preemptively attack a house of worship, which could have largely been filled with innocent people who had no intent of doing any of the above.
If there is but ONE criminal in a Baptist Church, should the entire church be firebombed along with everyone in it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:04:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#321. To: buckeroo, Liberator (#319)
I want to intentionally answer for Mr. liberator. He has no principles.

Let's see if he has a different answer. I'm willing to hear what he might say.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:06:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#322. To: FormerLurker (#317)
That just means he's so far in over his head that he's abandoned the argument, which he never had much of in the first place.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 23:06:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#323. To: buckeroo (#319)
I want to intentionally answer for Mr. liberator. He has no principles.

Bucky, I agree with you again.
I don't know if I can live with myself after admitting that.
LOL!

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:06:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#324. To: PaulCJ (#318)
I think "thou protest too much".

Conversely, I think not enough.

America and Americans are wholesale waking up to the Zionist threat.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 23:07:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#325. To: FormerLurker (#320)
How many times will I have to say this. You cannot reason with muslim fanatics and muslim fanatics are not afraid to die.
So a peaceful solution is out of the question because muslim fanatics cannot be reasoned with. Threat of killing them does not work because muslim fanatics do not fear death. That only leaves as the only targets against muslim fanatics, as being things that muslim fanatics care about.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-10-31 23:08:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#326. To: abraxas (#287)
As far as contrition in government for predominately Muslim states, the past 100 years have shown great strides.

Huh??
The only "strides" made by Muslim states has been the result of wealth attained as a result Western civilization's tpetro-dollars...
...Otherwise theMuslimaniacal camel-humpers would still be nothing more than nomadic Neanderthals.
The only war that Iran raged was instigated by the US and started by Iraq...
Bullsh*t.
These were two Muzzie factions doing what they do better than anyone on earth - HATING AND KILLING EACH OTHER FOR CENTRIES. They didn't need the U.S.'s help.
Iran isn't a perfect model, but it is a model of contrition over the past 600 years and Iranians have multiple cultural contributions in medicine and science during that time span.
If anything, Persia's contribution came before the year 1400 A.D.

Turkey is a parlimentary representative democracy, which is yet another historical example of Muslim contrition in the past 100 years.
Turkey is a political Muslim fluke. As to it's so called "contribution," the Ottoman Empire was one of the bloodiest indeed. Turkey's contribution in the last 100 years can best be described as, "a geo-political buffer between the USSR and US."

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:09:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#327. To: FormerLurker, Liberator (#321)
He will have an eventual answer .... but it won't consist of any reliable concepts about self-principles other than what he is spoon fed by the media.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:10:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#328. To: buckeroo (#288)
While Europe was in ruins based upon Judaic-Christian history, the Muslim world harbored the Bible in Constantinople.

"Muslim World"? You mean during the days of the Byzantine Empire?
Apparently, you don't realize how close the three religions are aligned, not just from a fundamental religious philosophy but also a historical basis.
Is this supposed to be some kind of revelation?

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:12:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#329. To: FormerLurker (#317)
Why not?

And I should care because....

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:13:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#330. To: Liberator (#329)
Why are you kissing Moldy-Lox's ass lately, pussy?
You are an embarrasment to the the human race.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:15:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#331. To: Fred Mertz (#323)
Bucky, I agree with you again.

It is my pleasure to suggest candid remarcks in a publick forum, as always. I swear, I learn all the time from others even if I don't comment. You are a good guy .... one of these days we shall all meet as in a 4um HUG in person. Let us all pray we can cordially meet within good conditions without the increasing bad conditions of this distrustful government.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:15:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#332. To: abraxas (#291)
How Christian is all of our warring to "promote democracy" and "liberate" other nations?

I never claimed it was.
Our liberties are currently under assault and you are cheerleading our track record.
Why don't you tell me what I'm "cheerleading"; You seem to know me better than myself.
If our nation is an example of Christianity, every Christian should be ashamed. Honestly, I don't see too much Christianity in action these days.
I never claimed it was; Just that the Founder principles and tenets were based on the Bible. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem - although you seem to have plenty of company.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:16:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#333. To: PaulCJ (#293)
You cannot reason with muslim fanatics and muslim fanatics are not afraid to die.

Don't tell that to this group. According to them, America would and could have been established by MOOSLEMS.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:18:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#334. To: Liberator (#326)
Seriously--how many cubicles are you from PaulCJ in the Israeli embassy?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 23:18:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#335. To: Liberator (#329)
And I should care because....

A) Torturing people makes us no better than Nazis or what Saddam is accused of being.

B) You should consider the "blowback" such things instigate.

C) If you were Christian, such things would be against your morals.
Really, if you were so afraid of Muslim fanatics, why do you CREATE them in the first place?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:19:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#336. To: buckeroo (#331)
I went to a funeral today. A beautiful 39 year-old womam blew her brains out last weekend. No one knows why.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:19:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#337. To: Fred Mertz (#330)
Why are you kissing Moldy-Lox's ass lately, pussy?

That is fairly graphic.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 23:20:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#338. To: Liberator (#328)
"Muslim World"?

Yeah .. the piles of scientists, artists and philosophers besides intellects that saved the Christian documents from the Holy Wars.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:20:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#339. To: Fred Mertz (#336)
That is NOT the way I plan to meet. Sorry about your loss.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:23:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#340. To: FormerLurker (#295)
If anything, the early church destroyed as much knowledge as possible, burning the Library of Alexandria, killing people who held different beliefs, and setting back science a thousand years or so. That's why it was called the Dark Ages.

Christianity is 2000 years old. In the course of those 2000 years the good by far outweighed the bad.
Now why don't you tell us all about the rape, plunder, death and destruction sponsored by the Death Cult, aka Islam?
...burning the Library of Alexandria...Science [was] set back "a thousand years or so..."
Pure horsesh*t and conjecture.
Look at the persecution Galileo and others like him suffered. Luckily, science advanced in SPITE of religion, not BECAUSE of it.
The Vatican was very oppressive at times.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:24:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#341. To: Fred Mertz (#336)
Fred, I'm so sorry to hear this. : (

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 23:24:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#342. To: buckeroo (#339)
It was a tough day. I had to let someone know and it was you.
Sorry about that.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:25:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#343. To: PaulCJ, Liberator (#325)
You cannot reason with muslim fanatics and muslim fanatics are not afraid to die.
Why then do you insist on MAKING them fanatics by killing their families, taking their land, and generally pissing on their heads?
So a peaceful solution is out of the question because muslim fanatics cannot be reasoned with.
Have you ever TRIED to reason with someone over there in the Middle East? When's the last time you were there?
You're full of hot air Paul, along with a lot of self righteousness that has no foundation in fact.
That only leaves as the only targets against muslim fanatics, as being things that muslim fanatics care about.
Seems to me that YOU are the fanatic here. Have you seen any church bombings lately? Even these so-called Muslim fanatics haven't sunken to that level, yet you are perfectly ok with doing it to them.
Hypocrite.
You AND Liberator, both of you.
How about you Liberator, are you ready to go blow up some kids in a mosque?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:25:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#344. To: Fred Mertz (#336)
A beautiful 39 year-old womam blew her brains out last weekend. No one knows why.

So very sad. Our entire society and culture is gone. We are bankrupt financailly and, more critically, morally.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 23:25:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#345. To: abraxas (#341)
She was so friendly and everyone liked her. It shocked us all.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:27:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#346. To: FormerLurker (#343)
Hypocrite.
You AND Liberator, both of you.
How about you Liberator, are you ready to go blow up some kids in a mosque?

Therein lies their ultimate hypocrisy. They wholeheartedly cheer on death and destruction when it's brought by someone besides them.
They both lack the sack to 'get in the game.'

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-10-31 23:28:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#347. To: Fred Mertz (#345)

Did she have any children? Hope you don't mind my asking. I'm a sap who always thinks of the children.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 23:29:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#348. To: Liberator (#340)
In the course of those 2000 years the good by far outweighed the bad.
Now why don't you tell us all about the rape, plunder, death and destruction sponsored by the Death Cult, aka Islam?

Why don't you tell us about that little 15 year old girl raped by a bunch of your bros over there in Californification land, you know, the girl who was gang raped over 2 and half hours by nice church going Christian folk.
Sure, Muslims have issues with rape in Europe, thing is, the European governments bend over backwards to kiss their asses. Treat them as the animals they are, lock them up in prison, and show them no mercy.
Those who find that behavior appropriate will find out quick that it is NOT appropriate, but it seems they are being ENCOURAGED to act that way by the kid glove treatment they are receiving by those European governments.
I don't think you can lump ALL of Islam into that group however, just as you can't lump ALL Christians into the category of low-life gang rapists just because SOME of them ARE.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:31:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#349. To: Liberator (#340)
Christianity is 2000 years old. In the course of those 2000 years the good by far outweighed the bad.

Are you saying that while the Spanish Inquisition bloodbath occurred you have the audacity to lick a drop of blood around the world? How about the strappings in the New_World, unmercifully destroying entire cultures and even into the modern era of raping and pillaging in the Philipines, spreading the word of God?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:31:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#350. To: wbales (#297)
See my tagline.

I guess it's all about "the joos." (yawn)
When you type "Muslims are out to take over the United States and the world" or some such similar tripe, I, and most here at 4um, see "I am an f-ing braindead idiot."
When you type "We need to worry about China, not Israel." or some such similar tripe, I, and most here at 4um, see "I am an Israel First traitor to America."
Curious: Do you hunt and peck when you type your incoherent drivel?
This forum is neither FR nor LP.
Thanks for the update, Sparky.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:31:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#351. To: abraxas (#347)
She has a son who just came back from Iraq or Afghanistan...Army
She has two daughters...about 10 and 12...I'll send you a PM with a link to the funeral home. The parking lot wasn't big enough.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:33:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#352. To: buckeroo (#349)
If you prefer to self-flagellate your heritage and cherry-pick the worst of it, that's your problem.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:34:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#353. To: Liberator (#340)
Christianity is 2000 years old. In the course of those 2000 years the good by far outweighed the bad.

How swiftly your perspective would change if you were one of the heathens or savages killed for not being Christian.
What is all this good by Christianity anyway? People allowing empire to rampage all around the world? What "good" in the name of Christianity outweighs the crusades and the indian genocide?

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 23:35:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#354. To: FormerLurker (#348)
I don't think you can lump ALL of Islam into that group however, just as you can't lump ALL Christians into the category of low-life gang rapists just because SOME of them ARE.

Gee, thanks for your magnanimous impartiality.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:35:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#355. To: Fred Mertz (#351)
Oh, Fred, that breaks my heart. Three children.......I can't for the life of me understand how a mom could make that choice.

abraxas posted on 2009-10-31 23:36:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#356. To: Liberator (#340)
Christianity is 2000 years old. In the course of those 2000 years the good by far outweighed the bad.

It's really only since religion lost control of government that science has florished in recent centuries. Many important mathematical concepts and theorems came PRIOR to Chistianity, as well as such things as geometry and astronomy. Irrigation, government, construction of cities, knowledge of the planets, stars, and the earth's rotation around the sun were known to the Sumerians, pre-dating Egypt by several thousand years.
In the Dark Ages, the Church taught that the earth was the center of the universe, and that the sun along with everything else in the sky revolved around it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:37:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#357. To: Liberator (#352)
and cherry-pick the worst of it, that's your problem.

And the fact that Jews and agnostics (both) murdered the Messiah .... and you sit there on your computer believing that Christians/Jews alike are nice people to have cookies and tea with playing with Bibles. And Muslims are the bad guys? Who are you kidding, pal?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:39:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#358. To: abraxas (#353)
You're right; Christianity is bad and Muslim is good. Or maybe there's no real difference, right?
Here's your new tagline:
"'Diversity is our strength' - especially if it's Islam instead of Christian'

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:40:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#359. To: Liberator (#350)
Your tagline gif or whatever isn't working.

In the meantime, I'll assume a waving Israeli flag.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-10-31 23:40:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#360. To: abraxas (#355)
It breaks my heart too.

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-10-31 23:40:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#361. To: Fred Mertz (#345)
Really sad to hear that Fred. My condolences to her family.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:42:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#362. To: buckeroo (#357)
And Muslims are the bad guys? Who are you kidding, pal?

Another Islamophile? Wow. What's that - about five on this thread?
Yeah - Islam IS the "Religion of Peace," huh Buckerino?
Don't blame me; Blame your pharmacist for your delusions.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:44:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#363. To: wbales (#359)
I'll assume a waving Israeli flag.

You do that, Gomer.

Liberator posted on 2009-10-31 23:45:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#364. To: buckeroo, Liberator (#357) (Edited)
And the fact that Jews and agnostics (both) murdered the Messiah ....

Not just that, but it was the ROMANS who crucified Him (in respect for those who believe him to BE what they believe).
Thing is, it is the ROMANS who CREATED the New Testament and founded the western Christian Church, aka the Roman Catholic Church. Why would one believe the words of those who killed him?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:45:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#365. To: FormerLurker (#316)
Frankly, compared to the pacific spread of early Christian evangelism, where moral suasion was the main vehicle for propagating the faith

No, really. The first couple of hundred years of underground religion were remarkably peaceful.
No one will deny that Christians often proved themselves beasts once Christianity became a state religion.
When the First Crusade finally took Jerusalem all, including Christians, were put to the sword. The stories of Christian brutality are legion.

randge posted on 2009-10-31 23:46:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#366. To: Liberator (#362)
Yeah - Islam IS the "Religion of Peace,"

Where have I promoted any religion? All I am saying is you are full of bloated excrement claiming Christianity is anything about GOD. Ever hear of Charlemagne?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:50:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#367. To: Liberator (#340)
Pure horsesh*t and conjecture.

From Wiki;

Decree of Theodosius, destruction by Theophilus in 391

In 391, Christian Emperor Theodosius I ordered the destruction of all "pagan" (non-Christian) temples, and the Christian Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria complied with this request.[20]
Socrates Scholasticus provides the following account of the destruction of the temples in Alexandria in the fifth book of his Historia Ecclesiastica, written around 440:
“ At the solicitation of Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, the Emperor issued an order at this time for the demolition of the heathen temples in that city; commanding also that it should be put in execution under the direction of Theophilus. Seizing this opportunity, Theophilus exerted himself to the utmost to expose the pagan mysteries to contempt. And to begin with, he caused the Mithreum to be cleaned out, and exhibited to public view the tokens of its bloody mysteries. Then he destroyed the Serapeum, and the bloody rites of the Mithreum he publicly caricatured; the Serapeum also he showed full of extravagant superstitions, and he had the phalli of Priapus carried through the midst of the forum. Thus this disturbance having been terminated, the governor of Alexandria, and the commander-in-chief of the troops in Egypt, assisted Theophilus in demolishing the heathen temples. ”
The Mithraeum was an underground temple for worship of the god Mithras. Hundreds of such temples have been discovered throughout Europe, northern Africa, the Near East, and Great Britain.
The Serapeum once housed part of the Great Library, but it is not known how many, if any, books were contained in it at the time of destruction. Notably, the passage by Socrates Scholasticus, unlike that of Ammianus Marcellinus, makes no clear reference to a library or library contents being destroyed, only to religious objects being destroyed. The pagan author Eunapius of Sardis witnessed the demolition, and though he detested Christians, and was a scholar, his account of the Serapeum's destruction makes no mention of any library. Paulus Orosius admitted in the sixth book of his History against the pagans:
“ Today there exist in temples book chests which we ourselves have seen, and, when these temples were plundered, these, we are told, were emptied by our own men in our time, which, indeed, is a true statement. ”
However, Orosius is not here discussing the Serapeum, nor is it clear who "our own men" are (the phrase may mean no more than "men of our time," since we know from contemporary sources that pagans also occasionally plundered temples).
As for the Museum, Mostafa El-Abbadi writes in Life and Fate of the Ancient Library of Alexandria (Paris 1992):
“ The Mouseion, being at the same time a 'shrine of the Muses', enjoyed a degree of sanctity as long as other pagan temples remained unmolested. Synesius of Cyrene, who studied under Hypatia at the end of the fourth century, saw the Mouseion and described the images of the philosophers in it. We have no later reference to its existence in the fifth century. As Theon, the distinguished mathematician and father of Hypatia, herself a renowned scholar, was the last recorded scholar-member (c. 380), it is likely that the Mouseion did not long survive the promulgation of Theodosius' decree in 391 to destroy all pagan temples in the city. ”
John Julius Norwich, in his work Byzantium: The Early Centuries, places the destruction of the library's collection during the anti-Arian riots in Alexandria that transpired after the imperial decree of 391 (p.314).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:51:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#368. To: randge (#365)
No, really. The first couple of hundred years of underground religion were remarkably peaceful.

Look up the history between Paul and James. Find what happened between Rome and the Essenes. Jesus was an Essene, and so was James along with all of the REAL disciples, which doesn't include Paul.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:53:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#369. To: FormerLurker (#367) (Edited)
Psst ... Liberator is freely librating on his/her plastic glue, tonight.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-10-31 23:56:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#370. To: Liberator (#340)
The Vatican was very oppressive at times.

The Vatican IS the origin of modern Christianity, ie. IT created the book which ALL western Christian religions accept as the word of God Himself.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-10-31 23:57:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#371. To: FormerLurker (#368)
Yes, I've heard those stories. It's really hard to tell if the murder of James and his followers is fact or fiction.
What followed was generally non-violent and something like the spread of Buddhist teachings in the Far East.

randge posted on 2009-11-01 0:00:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#372. To: randge (#371)
The murder of James is pretty much historical fact I think.
In terms of Paul, he announced himself an apostle AFTER Jesus' death, and AFTER he had ALREADY persecuted his followers. He was an agent of Rome.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:05:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#373. To: randge (#371) (Edited)
My view is that the Roman Catholic Church was created by the Roman Empire in its death throes in order to regain power and consolidate its forces across Europe.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:10:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#374. To: FormerLurker (#372)
I had a cousin who very much wanted to convert me to Pauline, Trinitarian belief. All his life, in fact. He's gone now.
We kind of parted ways over those books of Paul. Even when I was a kid, it seemed to me that there were a whole lot of notions in them that didn't square with the Gospels.
These threads drive me nuts, BTW.

randge posted on 2009-11-01 0:11:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#375. To: randge (#371) (Edited)
Here's a very interesting essay and has some good info, if you wish to find out more...
ESSENE CHRISTIANITY VERSUS PAULIANITY
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:12:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#376. To: FormerLurker (#372)
The murder of James is pretty much historical fact I think.

What I meant to say was I was having trouble with the stories that it was a Pauline faction rather than the Sanhedrin that were responsible for the death of James.

randge posted on 2009-11-01 0:14:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#377. To: randge (#374)
BTW, virtually everything that is said in that essay can be verified through exhaustive web searches or trips to the library.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 0:16:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#378. To: FormerLurker (#343)
Why then do you insist on MAKING them fanatics by killing their families, taking their land, and generally pissing on their heads?

They are already brainwashed fanatics.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 2:22:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#379. To: wbales (#324)
America and Americans are wholesale waking up to the Zionist threat.

Though, you are making it sound like it is the ONLY threat to the U.S.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 2:24:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#380. To: Liberator (#358)
You're right; Christianity is bad and Muslim is good. Or maybe there's no real difference, right?

Oh, brother. You are the one spewing how "good" Christianity has been for all of the world. I merely asked you to back your smack, but you simply can't. My position throughout this thread is that Islam, Christianity and Judiasm are equally destructive, albiet selective in who the kill in the name of the faith. My contention has been that not one of the three is more or less peaceful than the other and you have offered nada, zip, zilch to counter this contention.
You offer not one shred of historical evidence to back your position that Christianity and Judaism are more peaceful and have contributed so much more culturally to this world. All of the branches of Abe have a good deal of blood on their hands, only you like to pretend that one is so much more bloody than the other, despite the fact that history deems this notion moot.
You are the one pissing on yourself in fear over the Muslims, not me. It's obvious that you offer solutions to what you deem a problem by delving into the same line of thinking as a fundie Muslim hell bent to taking out infidels. You are also about as compassionate as one would be and as arrogant. Guess there's some truth in people becoming what they fear..... And you wonder why I don't have higher expectations for those who deem themselves to be Christians? You give no reason to put Christains on a pedestal above any other faith, Lib.

abraxas posted on 2009-11-01 2:27:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#381. To: PaulCJ (#378)
They are already brainwashed fanatics.

I deem you an already brainwashed fanatic which you have actually demonstrated on this thread and since you have posted you have a farm somewhere I'm coming to get it. I won't piss on your head though.

mininggold posted on 2009-11-01 12:18:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#382. To: PaulCJ (#378)
They are already brainwashed fanatics.

Any more so than yourself?
I've worked with a few guys who were from Pakistan, in fact, I used to go out drinking and shoot pool with one of them. He certainly didn't seem like the sort of person who'd go blow up a church, unlike you.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2009-11-01 12:59:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#383. To: mininggold (#381)
I deem you an already brainwashed fanatic which you have actually demonstrated on this thread and since you have posted you have a farm somewhere I'm coming to get it. I won't piss on your head though.

A brainwashed fanatic would not have said, if you have a better solution, I am listening.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 13:47:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#384. To: FormerLurker (#382)
Any more so than yourself?

Hey, I am open to other options, besides surrender, just no one has stated any solutions. They just complain and insult.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 13:48:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#385. To: PaulCJ (#384)
Why don't you just start your own thread on this idiotic subject. This one was supposed to be about how f'ed up Goldi and her Klan of K00ks is.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-11-01 13:53:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#386. To: Samuel Gray (#385)
Why don't you just start your own thread on this idiotic subject. This one was supposed to be about how f'ed up Goldi and her Klan of K00ks is.

If someone tried to shutdown you, you would be pissed too.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 13:58:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#387. To: PaulCJ (#386)
If someone tried to shutdown you, you would be pissed too.

They're too stupid to know that what they're doing is wrong. They're piss- ignorant and proud, sort of like you.
I solved your problem, by the way. Let's just kill everything that scares you.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-11-01 14:00:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#388. To: Samuel Gray (#387)
They're too stupid to know that what they're doing is wrong.

You need to look in the mirror.
Destro on LP insulted the U.S., the U.S. population, the U.S. government. He insulted anything U.S. He did this for over TWO YEARS. When he realized that no one was listening to him, he started trying to get ISPs to block LP based on lies. That is when Goldi banned him from LP.
Mark my words, Destro will someday try to do the same on Freedom4um, then we will see how much you feel like defending him.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 14:15:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#389. To: PaulCJ (#388) (Edited)
Paulie, Paulie, Paulie...the world is full of boogeyman and you're just a scared little boy.
So far, you've only managed to 'recruit' Littlebaby to your war on Islam. Good luck with that.
Destro was poking at the k00ks, which is a hilarious pastime, and they absolutely cannot take it when you do it. And LP is a 'hate site'. Just now saw someone over there calling on people to play "cowboys and niggers." Wanna put a positive spin on that?
Nothing in that post he made was a lie about LP. Their own database will bear that out. And anyone can report any site they feel has questionable content if that site may potentially be viewed on public computers. That's what "abuse@whoever.net" buttons were invented for. Goldi and the kooks, however, reacted in such a knee-jerk way that it revealed that they're very afraid of that happening. What's the silly twat going to do, sue everyone who gives LP a negative review somewhere on the web?

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-11-01 14:23:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#390. To: PaulCJ (#383) (Edited)
A brainwashed fanatic would not have said, if you have a better solution, I am listening

You've been offered solutions which require YOU to analyze YOUR own motives, but as usual you prefer to hijack the thread with your alleged neediness. Goldi would be sooooo proud. lolol.

mininggold posted on 2009-11-01 14:35:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#391. To: PaulCJ, Destro (#388)
You need to look in the mirror.
Destro on LP insulted the U.S., the U.S. population, the U.S. government. He insulted anything U.S. He did this for over TWO YEARS. When he realized that no one was listening to him, he started trying to get ISPs to block LP based on lies. That is when Goldi banned him from LP.
Mark my words, Destro will someday try to do the same on Freedom4um, then we will see how much you feel like defending him.

Destro is just a provocateur. lolol

mininggold posted on 2009-11-01 14:41:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#392. To: mininggold (#390)
You've been offered solutions

Please list the solutions offered in this thread.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 14:49:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#393. To: Samuel Gray (#389)
Paulie, Paulie, Paulie...the world is full of boogeyman and you're just a scared little boy.

Sammy, Sammy, Sammy... the most of the rest of the world wants to destroy the U.S., while you choose to have your head in the sand.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 14:50:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#394. To: PaulCJ (#393)
..... the rest of the world wants to destroy the U.S., while you choose to have your head in the sand.

ROTFL ....
The USA has the largest defense budget of any other nation; in fact adding all other nation's defense expenditures collectively ( exceptions: Russia and China ) doesn't rival the USA. Only the USA has shown aggression around the world by promoting the media lie: keeping peace while creating turmoil.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-11-01 14:56:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#395. To: buckeroo (#394)
The USA has the largest defense budget of any other nation;

That is not factoring in the inflation of the U.S. dollar.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 14:59:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#396. To: PaulCJ (#395)
Prove your hypothesis by realistic resource data methods.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-11-01 15:01:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#397. To: buckeroo (#396) (Edited)
Prove your hypothesis by realistic resource data methods.

Just look at the value of gold to the U.S. dollar compared at present day to 20 years ago.
By the way, you have not posted your source, nor the hard financial numbers.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 15:05:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#398. To: PaulCJ (#395) (Edited)
Here, I will start .....

Get the picture? Now, who is picking on the USA?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-11-01 15:05:35 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#399. To: PaulCJ (#393)
Paul: kill yourself. It's a brilliantly simple solution. You choose the means and terms of your departure, those bothersome ol' Moose-slims don't get to torture and watch you wet your underoos and cry like a baby.
Get right on that. Those Muslims are relentless and they are coming for YOU!

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-11-01 15:06:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#400. To: Samuel Gray (#399)
Paul: kill yourself.

You should lead by example. You go first.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 15:56:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#401. To: PaulCJ (#400)
No thanks. Life's too short as it is, and I'm not really scared of anything unless people who think like you do suddenly become a majority.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-11-01 15:57:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#402. To: buckeroo (#398) (Edited)
The psycho Islamophobe didn't reply to your graph but I shall.
$700 Billion annually on defense,eh???? About half of the world's expenditure on military, eh????
AND with ALL that cash, equipment, intelligence, resources, military hardware, snoops and so forth and so on, the DoD, CIA/FBI, et. al. could not stop/prevent 19 alleged hijackers from crashing passenger jets into American buildings.
Ergo, two possibilities:
1) security/defense incompetence to such a degree that it could be considered CRIMINAL by any reasonable person, or
2) the government KNEW about it and did not stop it.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
wbales posted on 2009-11-01 17:25:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#403. To: wbales, PaulCJ (#402)
The psycho Islamophobe [PaulCJ] didn't reply to your graph but I shall.

I enjoy putting the world in perspective even for political concepts. America is an empire. And PaulCJ won't ever respond but with some pathetic answer about how America NEEDS to ensure world peace {he will make it all up as he goes along, if you catch my drift}.
And you wonder why America is all fucked upped?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-11-01 18:33:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#404. To: buckeroo, PaulCJ, mininggold, Samuel Gray (#398)
buckeroo: Now, who is picking on the USA? PaulCJ: Destro on LP insulted the U.S., the U.S. population, the U.S. government. He insulted anything U.S. He did this for over TWO YEARS.

Bwahahahhahahahaa!!!!

"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Destro posted on 2009-11-01 20:56:55 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#405. To: buckeroo (#403) (Edited)
I enjoy putting the world in perspective even for political concepts. America is an empire. And PaulCJ won't ever respond but with some pathetic answer about how America NEEDS to ensure world peace {he will make it all up as he goes along, if you catch my drift}.

I was making sure my numbers are right. Besides, does that spending in your graph for the U.S. part include money spent on the intelligence branches?

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 21:45:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#406. To: Destro (#404)
I always wondered if you picked you name from that GI Joe villain.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 21:46:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#407. To: PaulCJ (#405)
I was making sure my numbers are right.

So how is your self-assurance? Do you feel humbled, now?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-11-01 22:05:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#408. To: buckeroo (#407)
So how is your self-assurance? Do you feel humbled, now?

You need to learn to check your math before you post it. It's call fact checking.
I found an interesting article.
China is increasing it's military spending. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7922699.stm
The article is dated around 2 weeks after your graph was made.
Also, the U.S. dollar's value has slid in that last six months by close to ten percent. Gold value last march was around $950 U.S. dollars an ounce. Now gold is around $1,050 U.S. dollars an ounce. goldprice.org/gold-price-...ry.html#30_day_gold_price

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-01 22:30:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#409. To: PaulCJ (#408)
Also, the U.S. dollar's value has slid in that last six months by close to ten percent.

You haven't said much as the graph I posted shows military spending for all nations in USD; IOW, the graph depicts relative spending in USD.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
buckeroo posted on 2009-11-01 22:36:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#410. To: PaulCJ (#408) (Edited)
Now you look ridiculous with your parsing of data. Sort of like when you posted that there are no shooting ranges or gun clubs in California.

mininggold posted on 2009-11-01 22:38:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#411. To: buckeroo (#409)
You haven't said much as the graph I posted

Check post 408. Or are you not reading my posts.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-02 0:09:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#412. To: mininggold (#410)
Now you are look ridiculous with your parsing of data.

Do you have anything constructive to say?

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-02 0:10:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#413. To: PaulCJ (#412) (Edited)
Do you have anything constructive to say?

You first, since the graph is in US dollars. Or why don't you come up YOUR equivalents. Surely you must have had them figured out before you posted. This thread is now all about YOU. lolol

mininggold posted on 2009-11-02 0:36:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#414. To: mininggold (#413)
Or why don't you come up YOUR equivalents.

I already posted my links/sources, explaining the inflation of the U.S. dollar, backed up by sources, and how China is increasing their military spending. Both sources are more up to date than that graph.
But since you ignore what I post and just insult me, there is no longer any point in talking to you.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-02 13:47:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#415. To: mininggold (#410)
Sort of like when you posted that there are no shooting ranges or gun clubs in California.

Source, or you are lying.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-02 16:16:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#416. To: PaulCJ (#189)
You sound like someone with "stockholm syndrome".
With that statement, you are defending the terrorists blowing up U.S. soldiers and civilians.
That is quite hypocritical of you.
Yet, you complain about my SUGGEST, while defending terrorists that are doing worse acts.
My suggestion has not happened in reality.
You are on the other hand are defending actions THAT HAVE ACTUALLY HAPPENED! Suffering that has actually happened! Deaths that has actually happens!
You need to think long and hard about what you have posted.

Go fuck yourself girly-boy. No amount of word twisting on your part can deflect from your own immorality.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2009-11-03 16:53:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#417. To: Hayek Fan (#416) (Edited)
Go fuck yourself girly-boy.

Is that all you got left. Just insults. With you having nothing constructive to say.
You can be a better person than this.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-11-03 17:11:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#418. To: christine (#39)
This site gets blocked by "Websense" and the reason for it is "Hate Site".
I like this site...went to bat for it at work...IT was told to allow it as an exception. Unfortunately, whatever was done was undone and you are blocled at work again.
--I Brake For The Invisible
war posted on 2009-11-11 16:09:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#419. To: war, belmontconservative (#418)
Did you get the note I relayed to you on elPee from BC?

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-11-11 16:24:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#420. To: war (#418)
I like this site...went to bat for it at work

well, thank you for that, war. sorry, that it was undone.

christine posted on 2009-11-11 16:44:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#421. To: christine (#420)
It's an in house counsel run amok...I went at him a few weeks ago in a compliance meeting when he started some nonsense about regulatory reasons for limiting access to the internet. I asked him exactly WHAT regulation he was referring to and when he couldn't provide it, the conversation went downhill for him very quickly.
--I Brake For The Invisible
war posted on 2009-11-11 17:02:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#422. To: Fred Mertz (#419)
Si
--I Brake For The Invisible
war posted on 2009-11-11 17:02:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#423. To: war (#418)
Moldy-Twatz really dropped all pretense of running a free speech site today. I do think she's gone insane.

Samuel Gray posted on 2009-11-11 19:38:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#424. To: christine (#420)
No worries...but I finally found a portal through which I can get around websense,,,logmein.com
--I Brake For The Invisible
war posted on 2009-11-16 10:42:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#425. To: Samuel Gray (#423)
Moldy-Twatz really dropped all pretense of running a free speech site today. I do think she's gone insane.

A few weeks ago she suggested a conspiracy kept Tom Tancredo from winning the presidency.

Go65 posted on 2009-11-16 10:45:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#426. To: Go65 (#425)
Well...in 2008 she claimed that the Bilderbergs had decreed that Edwards would be POTUS and Hillary VP...
I'm kind of torn about what to do...I feel that if I continue to post at LP, I am sanctioning what is going on there...this is one of those times that I wish I was a black and white person rather than shades of grey...I admired how you did not flinch as I am doing...
--I Brake For The Invisible
war posted on 2009-11-16 10:52:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#427. To: war (#426)
I'm kind of torn about what to do...I feel that if I continue to post at LP, I am sanctioning what is going on there...this is one of those times that I wish I was a black and white person rather than shades of grey...I admired how you did not flinch as I am doing...

Banning Floyd was the last straw for me. I figured if he was banned, i was probably next given I've already had my ability to post new articles revoked. Cest La' Vie.
As TooConservative accurately noted, it's an Internet forum, nothing to get too upset about. Glad to see you here. I imagine there will be a decent influx here now.

Go65 posted on 2009-11-16 10:55:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#428. To: Go65 (#427)
Wassup dude!?

Fred Mertz posted on 2009-11-16 10:56:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#429. To: Go65, AGAviator (#427)
Banning Floyd

...and then AGAViator...and then censoring one of Suzanne's posts as "mocking" when, I thought anyway, that it was a well put EXPLANATION of what Goldi was doing.
Is Floyd here?
--I Brake For The Invisible
war posted on 2009-11-16 10:59:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#430. To: Go65 (#427)
TooConservative

Good guy...
--I Brake For The Invisible
war posted on 2009-11-16 10:59:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#431. To: Go65, war (#427)
CountFloyd was really banned? It sucks that the people I can argue with civilly are leaving.

mel_living posted on 2009-11-16 11:10:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#432. To: mel_living (#431)
CountFloyd was really banned?

Yes, he/she/it's last post at ellpee was to me, and contained only this...

My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
hondo68 posted on 2009-11-16 13:45:20 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#433. To: hondo68 (#432)
That sucks.

mel_living posted on 2009-11-16 13:46:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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