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Title: 100 new militia groups since Obama elected : People are PISSED!
Source: rawstory.com
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/2009/11/100-new-militia-groups/
Published: Nov 16, 2009
Author: By David Edwards and Daniel Tencer
Post Date: 2009-11-16 21:26:12 by Mind_Virus
Keywords: None
Views: 8544
Comments: 104

100 new militia groups since Obama elected; watchdog alarmed

By David Edwards and Daniel Tencer Monday, November 16th, 2009 -- 10:20 am

Some 100 new militia groups have formed since the election of President Barack Obama, says the Southern Poverty Law Center.

In a re-run of the phenomenon seen when President Bill Clinton took office, gun-rights advocates, libertarians, survivalists and others are forming militias as a symbol of their resistance to what they see as an administration that threatens to restrict their right to bear arms and expand government control over the lives of private citizens.

"The truth is that these groups are popping up like mushrooms after a spring rain," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a social-justice group that has been tracking the rise of militias over the past year.

Potok's group put out a report earlier this year raising the alarm about the resurgence of armed militias. Since then, he told CNN, the group has counted about 100 new groups formed across the country.

"There really is this terrible fear mixed with fury about the idea that President Obama is somehow leading a socialistic takeover of America," Potok said.

A CNN news crew that visited the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia found a group that sees itself as a "deterrent" to any attempts to restrict gun use, and otherwise sees itself as a place to learn survival skills.

"Just the simple fact that we are out here and we are doing this, will give somebody pause, will make them think twice," said militia member Michael Lackomar, who added that he thought Obama "could be dangerous for the nation."

"Anytime we get a Democratic president in the office, people become concerned, including myself, and we get a resurgence out here," said one militia member, identified only as Brian.

But CNN's Jim Acosta points out that gun control "is unrealistic in many ways, because the Obama administration and the Democrats know that it would be political suicide for them to go after gun control measures. Even the attorney general has indicated he won't go back to the assault weapons ban enacted in the Clinton administration."

In its report from August, the Southern Poverty Law Center pointed out that the most recent wave of militia groups differs slightly from the wave seen under President Clinton in one respect.

"A key difference this time is that the federal government — the entity that almost the entire radical right views as its primary enemy — is headed by a black man," the report states. "That, coupled with high levels of non-white immigration and a decline in the percentage of whites overall in America, has helped to racialize the Patriot movement, which in the past was not primarily motivated by race hate."

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#65. To: war, Jethro Tull (#10)

can you tell me a time when it was perfectly acceptable to call Jews "heebs"?

When they began dominating our government and perverting it to the benefit of the Rothschild State a.k.a. Shittylittlestan.

Personally I don't use the term just as generally, but not always, I avoid racial epithets (sometimes you have to be un-PC just for the sheer hell of it).

However, the Jewish Community, specifically the Zionazim, have torqued a few people off with their criminality, disregard for human rights, and poor table manners. When you engage in fraud and it is discovered don't expect a cheering section to arise.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-16   23:52:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-11-17   0:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Fred Mertz (#25)

when I get around to it.

i got the sarcasticness there and, at this point, i don't care whether you get around to it or not. you're certainly free to go somewhere more to your liking or open your own forum. good luck.

christine  posted on  2009-11-17   0:25:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: christine (#21)

there's not a word in the entire language that someone doesn't find unacceptable these days.

I'm offended by that!


"Greenhouse gases do not act as a blanket around the earth and they do not keep the atmosphere warm. ... greenhouse gases emit more radiation than they absorb and this ongoing radiation loss tends to cool the atmosphere at between 1C and 2C per day, a fact known for more than 50 years. And yet we continue to get the simplistic explanation that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere and so more greenhouse gases will warm the atmosphere more. No wonder the public is taken in!" --William Kininmonth, meteorologist , 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-17   0:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: war (#60)

I have a "problem" with racism in general...hebe...nigger...whatever...when its the crux of your argument it's evidence of the same illogical pathology...

war, really, i have a "problem" with the racism accusations, political correctness and constantly being put on the defensive. been there, done that enough. no more wasting time and energy on it.

christine  posted on  2009-11-17   0:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: christine (#69)

Wow this thread got interesting. The funny part about it, is how a lot of folks who have taken me to task for profanity on the other site, are using it like it's 3rd grade, and they're learning to cuss over here!

I have to give credit where it's due. Fred Mertz was the reason why I quit swearing online.

Don't ban Fred please.

Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2009-11-17   0:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: war, TwentyTwelve (#63)

I have 0 problem when such terms are used for comedic affect...

We are truly blessed, that such an expert on political correctness has joined us, oh happy day.


My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.

hondo68  posted on  2009-11-17   1:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Cynicom, war, christine, Jethro Tull (#45)

Faking outrage at the word heeb is lame lame lame. Some heebs even have their own magazine:

http://www.heebmagazine.com

The SPLC aren't heebs. They're kikes. Big difference.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-17   1:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Fred Mertz (#25)

I will try to figure out why you banned Brian S .. when I get around to it.

Brian S. was banned. When did this happen. I don't care much for his politics but he was never rude or anything that I noticed.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-11-17   7:37:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: mininggold (#38)

Is she really? I haven't been keeping up lately. How about a link please.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-11-17   7:40:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Rotara (#32)

What is wrong with Fred. I like Fred.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-11-17   7:42:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: war (#60)

I have a "problem" with racism in general...hebe...nigger...whatever...when its the crux of your argument it's evidence of the same illogical pathology...

www.thedailynigger.com

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-11-17   7:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Anytime we get a Democratic president in the office, people become concerned, including myself, and we get a resurgence out here," said one militia member, identified only as Brian.

That's BS it seems anytime we get a president anymore.

To see a difference the two patsy system has to be broken.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-11-17   9:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: christine (#21)

perfectly acceptable by whom? for that matter who cares? there's not a word in the entire language that someone doesn't find unacceptable these days.

Aint that the truth! Sticks and stones. The only ones acceptable for bashing these days are white. Just an observation.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-11-17   9:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: war (#23)

Uh..."normal people" was what I had in mind...were you thinking something else?

Describe normal.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-11-17   9:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Rotara (#30)

knee pads for morris dees BUMP

Can't stand that cry baby!

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-11-17   9:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: war, Cynicom (#47)

You and I went toe to toe here once and you couldn't take it. So maybe the hand holding option would be better for you then, eh?

Cynicom has been round the block a couple times.He can stand on his own, I would have to think he just got tired of wasting time.:)

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-11-17   9:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: christine (#67)

i got the sarcasticness there and, at this point, i don't care whether you get around to it or not. you're certainly free to go somewhere more to your liking or open your own forum. good luck.

Give em what for girl. I came from those two sites mentioned. I have NEVER looked back!

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-11-17   10:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Hayek Fan (#17)

It wouldn't surprise me if this article were little more than a recruitment add by government operatives to get people into their "militias" and under surveillance. 100 new militias? How about, as you say, 100 new government agents handing out pamphlets trying to *start* 100 new militias.

Leaderless resistance is going to be the framework of any eventual confrontation in the future (hypothetically), at least initially. Imagine, 80 to 100 million Militias of One. Somebody in DC probably isn't sleeping well these days. :)

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-11-17   10:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: SonOfLiberty (#83)

Leaderless resistance is going to be the framework of any eventual confrontation in the future (hypothetically), at least initially. Imagine, 80 to 100 million Militias of One. Somebody in DC probably isn't sleeping well these days. :)

Check the Obama motorcades with wagon loads of SS troops armed with cannons.

If Obumski comes up with a double or two, we will be assured of the fear in DC.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-17   10:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2009-11-17   10:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: war (#10)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2009-11-17   10:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: ghostdogtxn (#85)

And 99 of them will fade into nothing once a Republican is re-elected to the white house.

I don't know any longer. The GOP is huffing on and on about Huckabee and other RINO's, and I don't hear the GOP grassroots liking it at all. Many (many many) are even calling for a third party. The facade may well be in the processing of crashing down this time.

I could be wrong of course, who knows, the future is always such a fickle matter. :)

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-11-17   10:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Cynicom (#84)

Check the Obama motorcades with wagon loads of SS troops armed with cannons.

If Obumski comes up with a double or two, we will be assured of the fear in DC.

Nothing would make me happier than to have the bulk of government scared shitless of us. That is how the natural state of affairs *should* be.

Barry is so utterly inexperienced, and so utterly incapable of learning from others (being a narcissist extreme), that he's going to keep chugging along as if we don't exist and as if our protests were nothing to pay heed to. While he may sleep well (as most idealogues would), I suspect that a lot of Congress- creatures and the unelected bureaucracy aren't.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-11-17   10:38:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: SonOfLiberty (#83)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2009-11-17   10:40:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: SonOfLiberty (#88)

Since DHS was foisted on us by Bushski and Congress, it is amazing how many government people are now "entitled" to armed protection. Sick.

Truman would be ashamed.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-17   10:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: SonOfLiberty (#87)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2009-11-17   10:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Cynicom (#90)

Since DHS was foisted on us by Bushski and Congress, it is amazing how many government people are now "entitled" to armed protection. Sick.

Truman would be ashamed.

Well, in theory, they have the right to be armed, each and every one of them. Just like we do. We're all citizens right? ;)

Maybe we should relax a bit and start exercising our rights, like they seem to want to do themselves. Provide a little parity, a bit of balance as it were. If they want to carry a Glock, I'm happy carting along my StG-58. Balance. :)

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-11-17   10:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: ghostdogtxn (#91)

Unfortunately people have a tendency to prepare for the last confrontation. That's applicable not only to the military, but to those who honestly wish to start up militias. The modern age of information and extreme technology demands that confrontations now can only be won by doing something people have not prepared for and do not know how to counter. While leaderless resistance is the current front runner as the next strategy, it may well not be, and be something else (heck, it might even be peaceful). No matter what though, going to the old ways is a guaranteed path to defeat.

I think a lot of interesting techniques could be learned from being in a 'militia', however, the downsides that you note prohibit association.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-11-17   10:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: SonOfLiberty (#93)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2009-11-17   10:55:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: SonOfLiberty (#83)

It wouldn't surprise me if this article were little more than a recruitment add by government operatives to get people into their "militias" and under surveillance. 100 new militias? How about, as you say, 100 new government agents handing out pamphlets trying to *start* 100 new militias.

Leaderless resistance is going to be the framework of any eventual confrontation in the future (hypothetically), at least initially. Imagine, 80 to 100 million Militias of One. Somebody in DC probably isn't sleeping well these days. :)

I tell anyone who listens not to fall for the militia BS. Then I give them documented examples of how the government has infiltrated these groups in the past and manipulated the members into breaking the law, going so far as to provide materials and training before sweeping in and "saving the day."

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-11-17   11:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Eric Stratton, Mind Virus, all (#66)

Unfortunately, the history of militias in this country is hardly among this nation's proudest moments generally speaking.

Actually I don't and for one main reason - it reminds the politicians that the spirit of resistance to tyranny still exists.

I wouldn't care to join one - I was never so happy as when I got handed that "Honorable Discharge" (talk about narrow escapes) and reverted back to freeman status, but then I am proud to have served as well. It was a duty not a pleasure. So, I don't find the military mindset attractive. However, what does it say about the governance of the country when increasing numbers of people feel they have to band together for protection against their own government? It is not an indicator of a healthy state of affairs, and my sympathies lie with the militias and their concerns. They are not all bad, not all racists, they are common folk with concerns and they are concerned to the point of considering the need to take arms in their own defense against their own government.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-17   11:18:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Original_Intent (#96)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-11-17   12:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Eric Stratton, all (#97)

But hey, it takes fools to allow this all to happen. As long as they were getting bribed and paid it was all good. Now that the gravy train ain't the express anymore, people are noticing.

Better late than never some will argue, but "too late" is too late.

Not sure it's too late, but we are about to find out, eh.

A good summation. I would defend the Sheeple a little bit in that they have been subject now to several generations of intensive Psychiatric/Psychological manipulation through the skools and controlled media. One study I read compared the general education level of current Bachelor's Degrees with the general education level of a High School Graduate in 1947 as being equivalent (I always remember that because it was the year my Mom graduated H.S.). As well much of what they know is false, and much of the current younger generation has been brought down to semi-literacy. One of the problems with the barrage of propaganda and Psychiatric Manipulation is that they, those who do not attend forums such as this, believe the false picture to be a true picture. People who draw conclusions on false data reach false conclusions.

True there is a percentage who have seen and felt they personally benefited and so remained silent, but now it is beginning to hit home that they too are "useless eaters" in the eyes of the self-styled elite. The dumbing down effect through the skools cannot be understated in its impact. Those so afflicted, with functional illiteracy, are blocked from reading and all of the benefits that a broad education brings. Such as being able to read and comprehend higher level texts and see how history repeats and how what we face is not new but simply has mass communications to make it more ever present and thus more effective as a control mechanism. The sheer pervasiveness of the mind control through popular culture, television, newspapers, and magazines has an impact. It creates a false reality which achieves the manipulations Orwell spoke of in 1984.

It is hard to predict which way things will go next, my Crystal Ball is out for maintenance, but there are multiple forces rising against the encroaching sea of tyranny. Whether the dike will hold is not clear at this point.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-17   13:31:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Original_Intent (#98)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-11-17   13:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: war (#63)

Hey war...are you still posting anywhere else these days? Hope all is well.

Indie  posted on  2010-03-16   0:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Rotara (#1)

If you consider all of the 'militias of one'...

I have a copyright on "militia of one".

I'll be sending a bill for my $.02 royalty.


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-03-16   7:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

heebs

Funny how that keyword brings out some interesting characters here.


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-03-16   7:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Original_Intent (#98)

the general education level of current Bachelor's Degrees

But theys went to college. Theys smarter.


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-03-16   7:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Critter (#102)

Funny how that keyword brings out some interesting characters here.

Isn't it, tho....

Most have been pushed along as this is no place for the politically correct and their need to control.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-03-16   7:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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