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Title: Followup - Glenn Beck and Alex Jones: Controlled Dissent
Source: American Everyman
URL Source: http://willyloman.wordpress.com/200 ... s-of-a-feather-story/#comments
Published: Nov 24, 2009
Author: Scott Creighton
Post Date: 2009-11-24 14:04:33 by bluegrass
Keywords: None
Views: 1982
Comments: 114

And just in case you think I was off-base with my assessment of Alex Jones’ pathetic self-promotion and stalling tactics… here is a video from Russia Today which Jones has posted on the front page of his website. In it he is asked directly about whether or not he supports a revolution in this country… immediately he holds up a copy of his new DVD that’s for sale, and says the following at around the 2:40 mark in the interview:

“Our republic is falling. That’s why (reaches for his DVD to hold up in front of the camera) I have made the film… Fall of the Republic.  I am calling for a revolution of ideas. A renaissance, a TRUE FREE MARKET… I am calling for a peaceful revolution under the bill of rights and the constitution… the peoples right, under the declaration of independence, to take their government back when it becomes oppressive and tyrannical… I don’t want a military coup…”  Jones

Jones’ message is clear; the government is tyrannical and oppressive, the globalists have used us and our taxes to seize control of most of the rest of the world’s economies and now they are in the process of turning our labor base into that of a 3rd world nation so that our business interests and the Wall Street bankers can “compete on the global market”… and what we should do about it… is buy his DVD and sit around and “think” about it.

It’s also important to note that the ONLY problem he seems to have with the neoliberal free-market ideology that is at the root of all of this, is the fact that it has become corrupt. Well, that is the entire POINT of that Chicago School economic model. It always has been about removing regulation and oversight in order to ALLOW CORRUPTION since the very FIRST laboratory they set up in Chile on Sept. 11th, 1973.  Deregulated, unchecked markets and unlimited free-trade is DESIGNED to allow for maximum corruptions and graft on a global scale.  By telling his followers this, he is basically saying to them that they shouldn’t oppose the POLICY, but rather a “few bad apples” who have corrupted it.  This is blatant pro-neoliberal propaganda on the level of George W. Bush coming out prior to the passage of the TARP Bill begging people not too allow “the system” to fail. “We MUST protect the system. The SYSTEM must NOT be allowed to fail”.

You will NEVER change a corrupt system this deeply embedded in a power structure without force… without a revolution. “Power yields to nothing except more power”. As long as Jones and Beck continue to pacify the very segments of the population who are most likely to rise up, the established power structures that Jones has made a fortune railing against will remain firmly in control of our collective future.

Just like the Glenn Beck video in which he used his recent Tampa speech to sell his recent book and plug his upcoming book, Jones used his time on the Russia Today interview to sell his video. Just like Beck who advised his followers to sit around for “100 years” doing nothing, so too is Jones telling his people who the way to fight back, is through “ideas” and not direct action. And just like Glenn Beck, who portrays the Obama adminstration’s corruption on “socialism”, Jones too misleads his followers.

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#45. To: wbales (#41)

The trick that many seem to be missing is that the ADL destroys their perceived enemies, yet these folks appear to be doing just fine. Kevin MacDonald is probably the last named enemy of the ADL that actually was a perceived enemy. Lately, they seem to be engaged in some kind of stalking horse campaign with Beck, etc. acting as the horses.

One noticeable absence from the ADL's latest enemies list is Leo Donofrio. The reason for their silence is that Donofrio actually does present a challenge to the status quo on their own playing field. He's been running rings around Hawaii's Dept. of Health regarding Obama's records and he's been a pest in DC legal circles.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   22:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: bluegrass (#28)

he said most of the theater chains and hollywood is owned by the arabs and the israelis (for some reason) but that the actual financing is mainly saudi, jordanian, the folks from dubai and cutter and a few other places, and the british of course.

isn't that a distinction? do we know that that isn't true? and does anyone know the date of this broadcast?

christine  posted on  2009-11-25   22:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: christine (#46) (Edited)

the actual financing is mainly saudi, jordanian, the folks from dubai and cutter and a few other places, and the british of course.

Arabs do finance projects in Hollywood just like Chinese, Japanese and every other international playboy with a spare hundred million bucks. Alex's statement about Arabs owning Hollywood is the statement of a fool or a shill. Even Jews admit that Jews own and run Hollywood.

Edit: I think this was broadcast in the past couple of years.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   22:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#5)

Sorry so late to reply...

Confucius was saying the same thing essentially, no?

The Master said, "Is humaneness a thing remote? I wish to be humane, and behold! humaneness is at hand."

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   22:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: bluegrass (#47)

Alex's statement about Arabs owning Hollywood is the statement of a fool or a shill.

His statement is obviously nonsense in the absence of proof, but when a person like AJ talks nonstop x 365 x 18 hours a day, some crapola has to roll out. I'd be curious to see how he either defends this argument w/proof or acknowledges he had a brain fart.

Pray for Obama: Psalm 1984

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-11-25   22:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: bluegrass (#47)

Arabs do finance projects in Hollywood just like Chinese, Japanese and every other international playboy with a spare hundred million bucks. Alex's statement about Arabs owning Hollywood is the statement of a fool or a shill. Even Jews admit that Jews own and run Hollywood.

I don't trust Real Zionist News.

Is Alex Jones A Zionist Shill?..Controversy Swirls | Real Zionist News

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-11-25   23:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: TwentyTwelve (#50)

Me neither. You linked it. I didn't.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   23:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull (#38)

His protege Jason Bermas went ballistic on a caller for daring to ask about the connection of Israel in all of the NWO/Bilderburger Stew.

Personally, I haven't been back to listening to AJ regularly since. On a personal level, I make it a habit not to make accusations about controlled opposition without absolute proof. I don't see such proof with AJ.

For me is was the Rense matter. I've listened to Jeff Rense almost from the beginning of his program and have had some small amount of correspondence with him. While I do not always agree with him I do like him and find his approach of providing the information in a straightforward manner preferable to AJ's hyperbolic high blood pressure approach. While I can understand his upset with the Brother Nathaniel piece, given that he is very protective of his family, his overreaction with JR turned me off completely. I don't think I've listened to more than 15 minutes of any of his broadcasts since. As well the Brother Nathaniel piece made a couple of telling points about AJ's biases and subjects he avoids and will not cover e.g., Zionism and the connections between Israel and the European Crime Family of Rothschild.

I have never fully made up my mind one way or the other on AJ - whether he is a very sophisticated PsyOp or simply someone blinded by his personal connections. He has been mildly critical of Israel's human rights abuses at times, but by no means does he cover them thoroughly - including the background of Zionism and its beliefs - as Rense has and does. So, minimally he has a blind spot and maximally he is a PsyOp to neuter the Patriotic Resistance indirectly by giving an ineffective outlet to dissipate pent-up emotion - which IS definitely one of Limbazoid's functions.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   23:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Original_Intent (#52)

I have never fully made up my mind one way or the other on AJ - whether he is a very sophisticated PsyOp or simply someone blinded by his personal connections.

His Bohemian Grove escapade strikes me as psy-op. No one could pull that off without a connection from higher up in the chain.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   23:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: TwentyTwelve (#50)

I don't trust Real Zionist News.

Me neither. There is something not right there, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I keep thinking of different so-called hate groups which have turned out to be fronts for Zionist interests - such as creating the illusion of great hate where there is little hate. I always think of the "Aryan" Leader who turned out to be Jewish and a disinfo front creating the illusion of hate where there was none. Therefore, given his "over-the-top" style, I am left wondering if Brother Nathaniel is simply another "deep cover" Zionist. Kind of like the "American Al CIAda" whose grandfather was on the ADL Board.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   23:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: bluegrass (#12)

I'm tired of Judas goats.

Then lead the way tough guy.


Let me get this straight.

Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.

What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo

Critter  posted on  2009-11-25   23:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Original_Intent (#54)

I don't trust Real Zionist News.

Me neither. There is something not right there, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I keep thinking of different so-called hate groups which have turned out to be fronts for Zionist interests - such as creating the illusion of great hate where there is little hate. I always think of the "Aryan" Leader who turned out to be Jewish and a disinfo front creating the illusion of hate where there was none. Therefore, given his "over-the-top" style, I am left wondering if Brother Nathaniel is simply another "deep cover" Zionist. Kind of like the "American Al CIAda" whose grandfather was on the ADL Board.

A lot of money, time and work has gone into the PsyOp programs.

Continuing mass confusion is the name of the game.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-11-25   23:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: bluegrass (#53)

His Bohemian Grove escapade strikes me as psy-op. No one could pull that off without a connection from higher up in the chain.

Possibly, but we have no hard data as to whether he got away with simply because he was the first to do it or whether it was intended to let him "get away with it". I know that the last guy to try it has been hounded into near destruction last I heard. Actually more compelling, circumstantially, is that the power brokers who attend the Satanic Grove have not subsequently destroyed AJ for invading their "festivities". It is like "the dog that did not bark in the night". And it was the Bohemian Grove Op that drove him to prominence.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   23:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Critter (#55)

I already am. I have my peeps. And you?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   23:58:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Original_Intent (#57)

Actually more compelling, circumstantially, is that the power brokers who attend the Satanic Grove have not subsequently destroyed AJ for invading their "festivities".

Again, the conclusion is that the powers that be think him not a threat or he's 'special'.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   0:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: TwentyTwelve (#56)

A lot of money, time and work has gone into the PsyOp programs.

Continuing mass confusion is the name of the game.

At this point that IS the name of the game. Devoid of a pretext to completely shut the Internet down and eliminate it as a source of data the program has become to plant multiple threads of disinformation to divert, misinform, and confuse. In short - PsyOps.

The counter is to inform ones self broadly and have a good Bullshit Detector.

I am thankful every day that I took Symbolic Logic. As a side note I ran into my old xeroxed copy of the out of print textbook we used. It was written by Professor Bangs Tapscott - a Texan of course with that name.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   0:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: bluegrass (#59)

Actually more compelling, circumstantially, is that the power brokers who attend the Satanic Grove have not subsequently destroyed AJ for invading their "festivities".

Again, the conclusion is that the powers that be think him not a threat or he's 'special'.

A reasonable and logical inference.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   0:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: bluegrass, Original_Intent (#59)

Actually more compelling, circumstantially, is that the power brokers who attend the Satanic Grove have not subsequently destroyed AJ for invading their "festivities".

Again, the conclusion is that the powers that be think him not a threat or he's 'special'.

I think that it is "the powers that be think him not a threat".

The elite/nwo think that they have enough power to destroy America and there is nothing ANYONE can do about it.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-11-26   0:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: TwentyTwelve (#62)

The elite/nwo think that they have enough power to destroy America and there is nothing ANYONE can do about it.

Or that people need an outlet so they won't do anything about it.

However, there are moves afoot to counter them. At this point it is a delaying game - much like stringing a Sweep out till it runs into the sideline. Psychotics like we are dealing with are capable of destruction but they are not very good at all at creating positive things. Thus they tend to self destruct - as Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin did. Their ability to create is stuck on destuction and in the end they will destroy themselves. We just cannot give up and have to keep stringing the play out until they do. As well there are counter forces building I can see some and feel more. We are not yet through the maelstrom, but I think we will make it out the other side - strengthened by the test.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   0:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#63)

As well there are counter forces building I can see some and feel more.

Indeed. I share your perception. The law of unintended consequences will bite these devils in the end.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   0:20:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: bluegrass, TwentyTwelve (#64)

The law of unintended consequences will bite these devils in the end.

Hopefully in both cheeks.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   0:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, christine, Esso, farmfriend, RickyJ, Critter, Prefrontal Vortex, Lod, wbales, Jethro Tull, noone222, Pinguinite (#65)

Jones is pushing Beck on his Facebook page:

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   2:02:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: bluegrass (#66)

Interesting.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy."

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-26   2:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: TwentyTwelve (#62)

The elite/nwo think that they have enough power to destroy America and there is nothing ANYONE can do about it.

In many ways they already have destroyed America and nothing has been done about it yet. The destruction is not complete yet, but darn close enough. Jobs that produce real products are rarely seen in America now. Big agriculture pushing GMO has almost wiped out the small farmers of America. A nation that will soon lack the ability to feed itself and cloth itself that thinks it is a superpower is a nation heading for a crash of gargantuan proportions. The current recession pales in comparison of what awaits America in the not too distant future. I would say for all practical purposes they have destroyed America already without one shot being fired.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-11-26   3:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: farmfriend (#67)

And Limbaugh was linking to Jones's site last week. They're all co-tools.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   3:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: bluegrass, Original_Intent, Lod (#69)

And Limbaugh was linking to Jones's site last week. They're all co-tools.

I agree. Jones does put out some good stuff. But I think his over the top style allows for the kook label. That way anyone who agrees with him is now a kook dismissing a whole host of information at once. This leaves Beck and Limbaugh to be "the more reasonable" and thus able to direct more people to follow the party line.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy."

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-26   3:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: farmfriend (#70)

Nice tie-ins. Thanks. Jones is the new LaRouche, iow.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   4:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: bluegrass, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, christine, Esso, farmfriend, RickyJ, Critter, Prefrontal Vortex, Lod, Jethro Tull, noone222, Pinguinite (#69)

They're all co-tools.

= Zionist Deniers.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   6:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: bluegrass (#66)

Jones is pushing Beck on his Facebook page:

We can all see whatever we want to. You see this as Jones pushing Beck ... and I see it as Jones pushing ClimateGate.

Jones is hesitant to badmouth his competition or fellow talkers. But one thing is certain in my mind and that is we should learn to acknowledge those issues we agree on far outweigh the ones we don't.

We're Americans ! Traitors can be dealt with at the appropriate time.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   7:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: RickyJ (#68)

I would say for all practical purposes they have destroyed America already without one shot being fired.

Quoted For Truth.

It's too late for political activism. I see this and other boards like it as useful for venting one's frustrations, but nothing else.

I live in a semi-rural area and we know how to survive out here. Best decision I've made in recent years was to retire from the electorate.

All you "American exceptionalists" out there are exceptionally obtuse. You don't get it. It's over.

The time to stop this was right after 9/11. Instead, most rallied 'round the flag and the Chimp as he took orders from Darth, who had just helped pull off 9/11, on what to do next.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-26   8:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: RickyJ (#40)

If you never heard it then it must not of happened, right?

I didn't say that at all ... though I've heard the Liberty conversation on his program many times.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Sam Houston (#74)

The time to stop this was right after 9/11.

During WACO was the time !!!

No More WACOs !

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:15:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: wbales (#39)

Jones does mention Isreal but his MAIN point is the influence and control by ARABS.

OK ... he said the Arabs and Israel ... then leaned toward Arab implication more. I don't happen to agree with him but he did quote a source for his claim.

Bermas is a different story. His association with AJ is curious to me. I don't listen to Bermas. (I call him Berman).

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: RickyJ (#35)

Jones is a windbag who has done nothing other than cover for the real perpatrators of 911. He is an Israeli apologist to the extreme. He has even gone so far as to say that he does not blame Israel for its attack on the USS Liberty, while at the same time blaming Johnson as if he was the devil incarnate.

Jones is a windbag ... He isn't an apologist for Israel, he just doesn't bash them continually which would make his program as boring as many posts here that are one trick (the Jews do it all) ponies.

LBJ could be treated as the devil incarnate ... ever been to Vietnam ?

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:25:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Original_Intent (#33)

While I have some strong disagreements with Jones being successful is not one of them, and last I checked he had a nice home but not a palatial mansion. Most of the income to his program goes out again to build capabilities. You cannot run an operation like the one he's built up on potato soup. However, that attack line is a great PsyOp/Disinfo line - "how dare he be successful and make money" why, why, it's, it's, just awful that he manages to bring in more than goes out. Were he pulling a "Jim and Tammy" it would have long ago been all over the place given the number of detractors he has. That they have not been able to do that is evidence of something (I'm not sure what it is, but sumthin'.).

Same page !!!

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:27:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: noone222 (#76)

During WACO was the time !!!

I agree Waco was a horrific act by the feds, but it and its aftermath had no effect on the fiscal condition of the U.S. government.

What was was allowed to happen after the orchestrated event on 9/11 doubled the national debt. There's no way to dig ourselves out from this. It's over for the U.S. It is in its death throes. Now it will go into a final spasm of violence both internally and externally.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-26   9:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: noone222, RickyJ, Bluegrass, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Sam Houston, Esso (#75)

... though I've heard the Liberty conversation on his program many times

I freely and voluntarily admit to have never listened to a Jones show. And, that trend shall continue.

But after reading this thread and perusing around I discover a proposition that I had previously not heard: Jones portrays Isreal's role in the USS Liberty incident as "innocent hit man" hired and controlled by Lyndon Johnson.

UTTER AND COMPLETE NONSENSE. Even if Jones' scenario is true, he then blithely gives the "hit man" a free pass which makes less than zero sense, as well.

Believe it or not and in a perverse way, I appreciate the stance of Magician over at LP, et. al., who are avowed and acknowledged Israeal Firsters and just come right out and say Israel did what it felt it needed to do even should that include murdering American Sailors. Hey, its honest.

Over the last years, I have occasionally posted my own opinion--my synopsis--of what transpired with the USS Liberty.

I'll go digging for and post it here again.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   9:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: noone222, RickyJ, Bluegrass, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Sam Houston, Esso (#81)

In closing and addressing what I think may have prompted your query, Fred, was that I made a connection between LBJ, the USS Liberty and Israel.

When the USS Liberty was attacked and despite the IDF immediately targeting the Liberty’s communications systems, the Liberty crew did get off a message to the Sixth Fleet. The Sixth Fleet (Admiral Larry Geis) then knew it was Israel perpetrating the attack. Geis dispatched fighters from his two carriers. That Americans other than those on the Liberty knew it was them, the IDF, attacking the Liberty AND that Americans who could actually shoot back were on the way, Israel backed off--but there were some behind the scenes activities rapidly occurring.

Israel did not want Washington, DC to know that Israel was about to lay a sneak attack on and major escalation of the hostilities on its neighbors to the north and south. Some Israeli nationals have freely and openly opined that Israel thought that the Liberty/U.S. was either intentionally or unintentionally providing information on Israel's military movements to Israel's enemies and that, therefore, Israel justifiably did what it had to do to take the Liberty out AND/OR the Israeli military was going to sink the Liberty and blame Egypt. Had the IDF sent the Liberty and all hands to the bottom and thanks to the inordinate amount of control and influence Zionists and liberal Jews have over the American news and entertainment industries, most Americans would now think that Egypt did it.

On to the connection: LBJ and McNamara RECALLED the fighters while the attack on ON!!! Un-f-ing believable!! The decision by Washington, DC to recall the fighter cover was abetting the IDF’s act of premeditated murder. This was treasonous. It was the Commander in Chief turning on his own troops.

WHY, OH, WHY?? Why would Johnson recall fighter protection from an American ship under fire?? What could explain that? And, further, what could possibly explain the federal government’s subsequent handling of the entire Liberty affair--its treatment of the crew--its COVER UP?

Israel. That’s what.

Here is what I think is extremely probable and this all happened in an extremely short period of time. Israel said we’ll back off; you stop the fighters and we won’t go public about your [LBJ‘s] involvement with and/or in JFK’s murder. We’ll both say and maintain forever that it was all just a tragic case of mistaken identity. The deal was done.

It is, therefore, that I make the connection between JFK, LBJ, the USS Liberty, and Israel.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   9:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Sam Houston (#80)

I agree Waco was a horrific act by the feds, but it and its aftermath had no effect on the fiscal condition of the U.S. government.

What was was allowed to happen after the orchestrated event on 9/11 doubled the national debt. There's no way to dig ourselves out from this. It's over for the U.S. It is in its death throes. Now it will go into a final spasm of violence both internally and externally.

The WACO event led to OKC, regardless of who perpetrated it. OKC has been used to support the Constitutional violations that security requires, but you are right, 9-11 was the Police State Capstone for sure and allowed for massive spending.

The money thing is something else when you consider there's no beef (there's no money).

All of the gnashing of teeth is over paper or digits that cause people to think or believe that they're owed something, and the debtor IS NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE or GOVERNMENT ... bankers and brokers made fraudulent transactions amongst each other and should be left to sort it out for themselves without even bothering the people with it.

Whomever signed the transactions of high level "securities" are the only ones responsible and should be allowed to fail, duel, kill, or hang each other.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Itistoolate (#82)

ping

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   9:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: wbales (#84)

thanks, great summary

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-11-26   10:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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