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Title: Followup - Glenn Beck and Alex Jones: Controlled Dissent
Source: American Everyman
URL Source: http://willyloman.wordpress.com/200 ... s-of-a-feather-story/#comments
Published: Nov 24, 2009
Author: Scott Creighton
Post Date: 2009-11-24 14:04:33 by bluegrass
Keywords: None
Views: 1932
Comments: 114

And just in case you think I was off-base with my assessment of Alex Jones’ pathetic self-promotion and stalling tactics… here is a video from Russia Today which Jones has posted on the front page of his website. In it he is asked directly about whether or not he supports a revolution in this country… immediately he holds up a copy of his new DVD that’s for sale, and says the following at around the 2:40 mark in the interview:

“Our republic is falling. That’s why (reaches for his DVD to hold up in front of the camera) I have made the film… Fall of the Republic.  I am calling for a revolution of ideas. A renaissance, a TRUE FREE MARKET… I am calling for a peaceful revolution under the bill of rights and the constitution… the peoples right, under the declaration of independence, to take their government back when it becomes oppressive and tyrannical… I don’t want a military coup…”  Jones

Jones’ message is clear; the government is tyrannical and oppressive, the globalists have used us and our taxes to seize control of most of the rest of the world’s economies and now they are in the process of turning our labor base into that of a 3rd world nation so that our business interests and the Wall Street bankers can “compete on the global market”… and what we should do about it… is buy his DVD and sit around and “think” about it.

It’s also important to note that the ONLY problem he seems to have with the neoliberal free-market ideology that is at the root of all of this, is the fact that it has become corrupt. Well, that is the entire POINT of that Chicago School economic model. It always has been about removing regulation and oversight in order to ALLOW CORRUPTION since the very FIRST laboratory they set up in Chile on Sept. 11th, 1973.  Deregulated, unchecked markets and unlimited free-trade is DESIGNED to allow for maximum corruptions and graft on a global scale.  By telling his followers this, he is basically saying to them that they shouldn’t oppose the POLICY, but rather a “few bad apples” who have corrupted it.  This is blatant pro-neoliberal propaganda on the level of George W. Bush coming out prior to the passage of the TARP Bill begging people not too allow “the system” to fail. “We MUST protect the system. The SYSTEM must NOT be allowed to fail”.

You will NEVER change a corrupt system this deeply embedded in a power structure without force… without a revolution. “Power yields to nothing except more power”. As long as Jones and Beck continue to pacify the very segments of the population who are most likely to rise up, the established power structures that Jones has made a fortune railing against will remain firmly in control of our collective future.

Just like the Glenn Beck video in which he used his recent Tampa speech to sell his recent book and plug his upcoming book, Jones used his time on the Russia Today interview to sell his video. Just like Beck who advised his followers to sit around for “100 years” doing nothing, so too is Jones telling his people who the way to fight back, is through “ideas” and not direct action. And just like Glenn Beck, who portrays the Obama adminstration’s corruption on “socialism”, Jones too misleads his followers.

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#31. To: bluegrass (#0)

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

Example: 'With the talk-show circuit and the book deal, it looks like you can make a pretty good living spreading lies.'

Proper response: 'You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your imply guilt as a means of attacking the messenger or his credentials, but cowardly fail to offer any concrete evidence that this is so. If you think what has been presented are 'lies', why not simply so illustrate? Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 6 - question motives)?'

Having posted that I do agree that Beck is controlled opposition and I do not entirely trust Alex Jones, but not for the reasons given by the writer of this hit piece.

Beck's history is as a Shock Jock turned Talk Jock. He rose up out of Klear Channel's Radio Talk Stable and at Klear Channel you do anything other than the Party Line and you are off the air.

As well Klear Channel is owned by the Mays Fambly - who are fundamentalist Christian Israel Worshipping Rupture Nuts. They are tight allies of the Bush Fambly which is tied to the CIA and thus there is possible linkage to CIA disinformation programs. Klear Channel also is the home of the great Mahajunkie himself "Pills" Limbaugh - who is NeoCon disinfo all the way.

Jones is a different fettle of kish. I do agree that violent revolution is an absolute last resort. The only thing a violent uprising would do at this point would be to provide pretext for a Martial Law Clampdown. Nevertheless, Jones will rarely talk about specific individuals driving the NWO agenda and instead subsists on hyperbole and scare mongering. There are some topics which he avoids and will not touch. His protege Jason Bermas went ballistic on a caller for daring to ask about the connection of Israel in all of the NWO/Bilderburger Stew. He will not comment on or approach the fact that the upper levels of our government are heavily infested with "dual-citizen" Israeli Zionists. So, Jones is at least blind in one area, and has a Texas-sized ego. When Jeff Rense linked to an article by Brother Nathaniel questioning Jones's Bias and connections Jones went ballistic and had Rense kicked off of the Genesis Network and called Rense personally threatening to destroy him. Methinks he doth protest too much.

So, Beck I do not trust at all and Jones is at best questionable.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   21:32:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Original_Intent (#31)

His protege Jason Bermas went ballistic on a caller for daring to ask about the connection of Israel in all of the NWO/Bilderburger Stew.

Personally, I haven't been back to listening to AJ regularly since. On a personal level, I make it a habit not to make accusations about controlled opposition without absolute proof. I don't see such proof with AJ.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-11-25   21:59:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull (#38)

His protege Jason Bermas went ballistic on a caller for daring to ask about the connection of Israel in all of the NWO/Bilderburger Stew.

Personally, I haven't been back to listening to AJ regularly since. On a personal level, I make it a habit not to make accusations about controlled opposition without absolute proof. I don't see such proof with AJ.

For me is was the Rense matter. I've listened to Jeff Rense almost from the beginning of his program and have had some small amount of correspondence with him. While I do not always agree with him I do like him and find his approach of providing the information in a straightforward manner preferable to AJ's hyperbolic high blood pressure approach. While I can understand his upset with the Brother Nathaniel piece, given that he is very protective of his family, his overreaction with JR turned me off completely. I don't think I've listened to more than 15 minutes of any of his broadcasts since. As well the Brother Nathaniel piece made a couple of telling points about AJ's biases and subjects he avoids and will not cover e.g., Zionism and the connections between Israel and the European Crime Family of Rothschild.

I have never fully made up my mind one way or the other on AJ - whether he is a very sophisticated PsyOp or simply someone blinded by his personal connections. He has been mildly critical of Israel's human rights abuses at times, but by no means does he cover them thoroughly - including the background of Zionism and its beliefs - as Rense has and does. So, minimally he has a blind spot and maximally he is a PsyOp to neuter the Patriotic Resistance indirectly by giving an ineffective outlet to dissipate pent-up emotion - which IS definitely one of Limbazoid's functions.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   23:42:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Original_Intent (#52)

I have never fully made up my mind one way or the other on AJ - whether he is a very sophisticated PsyOp or simply someone blinded by his personal connections.

His Bohemian Grove escapade strikes me as psy-op. No one could pull that off without a connection from higher up in the chain.

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   23:46:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: bluegrass (#53)

His Bohemian Grove escapade strikes me as psy-op. No one could pull that off without a connection from higher up in the chain.

Possibly, but we have no hard data as to whether he got away with simply because he was the first to do it or whether it was intended to let him "get away with it". I know that the last guy to try it has been hounded into near destruction last I heard. Actually more compelling, circumstantially, is that the power brokers who attend the Satanic Grove have not subsequently destroyed AJ for invading their "festivities". It is like "the dog that did not bark in the night". And it was the Bohemian Grove Op that drove him to prominence.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   23:57:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Original_Intent (#57)

Actually more compelling, circumstantially, is that the power brokers who attend the Satanic Grove have not subsequently destroyed AJ for invading their "festivities".

Again, the conclusion is that the powers that be think him not a threat or he's 'special'.

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   0:04:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: bluegrass, Original_Intent (#59)

Actually more compelling, circumstantially, is that the power brokers who attend the Satanic Grove have not subsequently destroyed AJ for invading their "festivities".

Again, the conclusion is that the powers that be think him not a threat or he's 'special'.

I think that it is "the powers that be think him not a threat".

The elite/nwo think that they have enough power to destroy America and there is nothing ANYONE can do about it.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-11-26   0:08:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: TwentyTwelve (#62)

The elite/nwo think that they have enough power to destroy America and there is nothing ANYONE can do about it.

In many ways they already have destroyed America and nothing has been done about it yet. The destruction is not complete yet, but darn close enough. Jobs that produce real products are rarely seen in America now. Big agriculture pushing GMO has almost wiped out the small farmers of America. A nation that will soon lack the ability to feed itself and cloth itself that thinks it is a superpower is a nation heading for a crash of gargantuan proportions. The current recession pales in comparison of what awaits America in the not too distant future. I would say for all practical purposes they have destroyed America already without one shot being fired.

RickyJ  posted on  2009-11-26   3:03:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: RickyJ (#68)

I would say for all practical purposes they have destroyed America already without one shot being fired.

Quoted For Truth.

It's too late for political activism. I see this and other boards like it as useful for venting one's frustrations, but nothing else.

I live in a semi-rural area and we know how to survive out here. Best decision I've made in recent years was to retire from the electorate.

All you "American exceptionalists" out there are exceptionally obtuse. You don't get it. It's over.

The time to stop this was right after 9/11. Instead, most rallied 'round the flag and the Chimp as he took orders from Darth, who had just helped pull off 9/11, on what to do next.

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-26   8:15:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Sam Houston (#74)

The time to stop this was right after 9/11.

During WACO was the time !!!

No More WACOs !

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:15:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: noone222 (#76)

During WACO was the time !!!

I agree Waco was a horrific act by the feds, but it and its aftermath had no effect on the fiscal condition of the U.S. government.

What was was allowed to happen after the orchestrated event on 9/11 doubled the national debt. There's no way to dig ourselves out from this. It's over for the U.S. It is in its death throes. Now it will go into a final spasm of violence both internally and externally.

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-26   9:43:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Sam Houston (#80)

I agree Waco was a horrific act by the feds, but it and its aftermath had no effect on the fiscal condition of the U.S. government.

What was was allowed to happen after the orchestrated event on 9/11 doubled the national debt. There's no way to dig ourselves out from this. It's over for the U.S. It is in its death throes. Now it will go into a final spasm of violence both internally and externally.

The WACO event led to OKC, regardless of who perpetrated it. OKC has been used to support the Constitutional violations that security requires, but you are right, 9-11 was the Police State Capstone for sure and allowed for massive spending.

The money thing is something else when you consider there's no beef (there's no money).

All of the gnashing of teeth is over paper or digits that cause people to think or believe that they're owed something, and the debtor IS NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE or GOVERNMENT ... bankers and brokers made fraudulent transactions amongst each other and should be left to sort it out for themselves without even bothering the people with it.

Whomever signed the transactions of high level "securities" are the only ones responsible and should be allowed to fail, duel, kill, or hang each other.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:55:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#93. To: noone222 (#83)

Whomever signed the transactions of high level "securities" are the only ones responsible and should be allowed to fail, duel, kill, or hang each other.

Amen.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26 12:24:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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