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Title: Followup - Glenn Beck and Alex Jones: Controlled Dissent
Source: American Everyman
URL Source: http://willyloman.wordpress.com/200 ... s-of-a-feather-story/#comments
Published: Nov 24, 2009
Author: Scott Creighton
Post Date: 2009-11-24 14:04:33 by bluegrass
Keywords: None
Views: 1901
Comments: 114

And just in case you think I was off-base with my assessment of Alex Jones’ pathetic self-promotion and stalling tactics… here is a video from Russia Today which Jones has posted on the front page of his website. In it he is asked directly about whether or not he supports a revolution in this country… immediately he holds up a copy of his new DVD that’s for sale, and says the following at around the 2:40 mark in the interview:

“Our republic is falling. That’s why (reaches for his DVD to hold up in front of the camera) I have made the film… Fall of the Republic.  I am calling for a revolution of ideas. A renaissance, a TRUE FREE MARKET… I am calling for a peaceful revolution under the bill of rights and the constitution… the peoples right, under the declaration of independence, to take their government back when it becomes oppressive and tyrannical… I don’t want a military coup…”  Jones

Jones’ message is clear; the government is tyrannical and oppressive, the globalists have used us and our taxes to seize control of most of the rest of the world’s economies and now they are in the process of turning our labor base into that of a 3rd world nation so that our business interests and the Wall Street bankers can “compete on the global market”… and what we should do about it… is buy his DVD and sit around and “think” about it.

It’s also important to note that the ONLY problem he seems to have with the neoliberal free-market ideology that is at the root of all of this, is the fact that it has become corrupt. Well, that is the entire POINT of that Chicago School economic model. It always has been about removing regulation and oversight in order to ALLOW CORRUPTION since the very FIRST laboratory they set up in Chile on Sept. 11th, 1973.  Deregulated, unchecked markets and unlimited free-trade is DESIGNED to allow for maximum corruptions and graft on a global scale.  By telling his followers this, he is basically saying to them that they shouldn’t oppose the POLICY, but rather a “few bad apples” who have corrupted it.  This is blatant pro-neoliberal propaganda on the level of George W. Bush coming out prior to the passage of the TARP Bill begging people not too allow “the system” to fail. “We MUST protect the system. The SYSTEM must NOT be allowed to fail”.

You will NEVER change a corrupt system this deeply embedded in a power structure without force… without a revolution. “Power yields to nothing except more power”. As long as Jones and Beck continue to pacify the very segments of the population who are most likely to rise up, the established power structures that Jones has made a fortune railing against will remain firmly in control of our collective future.

Just like the Glenn Beck video in which he used his recent Tampa speech to sell his recent book and plug his upcoming book, Jones used his time on the Russia Today interview to sell his video. Just like Beck who advised his followers to sit around for “100 years” doing nothing, so too is Jones telling his people who the way to fight back, is through “ideas” and not direct action. And just like Glenn Beck, who portrays the Obama adminstration’s corruption on “socialism”, Jones too misleads his followers.

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#11. To: bluegrass (#0)

It's called "sedition" when one promotes or facilitates a revolution or coup and it's ILLEGAL.

Jones is not stupid. Actually, he's close to brilliant. I've watched this "movement" (for lack of a better term) or non-movement for 25 years and Alex Jones has built his own empire as far as I can tell.

He started very young on access TV and has succeeded in growing every year. I have not seen anyone else take the freedom message to a higher level. His message serves a great purpose, he appears highly motivated, doesn't MF everybody else and maintains his discipline to do this in spite of the obstacles.

Show me someone doing a better job, waking up more people, and producing a more honest picture of what's happening and I'll listen.

The liberty movement is filled with stubborn, self-righteous, self-claiming purists, without even an iota of solution. Jones is within his rights to prefer a civil revolution by way of an informed populace. I may not agree, so what ?

Jones may be opposed to a military revolution/coup ... it would set a dangerous precedent, whether or not you or I agree with it.

People that spend their valueable time MF'n Jones ought to do something positive with that time.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   8:18:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#11)

Jones has had nine years to fire up the troops. He has managed to make a small fortune in the process.

Knock yourself out. I'm tired of Judas goats.

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   8:25:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: bluegrass (#12)

He has managed to make a small fortune in the process.

I agree ... he's a good manager. No one else has been able to stay productive let alone make a profit.

You against a profit ???

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   8:28:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: noone222 (#14)

You miss the point.

Beck and Jones profit. Why?

Bollyn? Relegated to oblivion even though he's exposed more than Jones will ever dream of.

Traficant? Jail for a while.

Jim Hatfield? Dead.

etc....

So why does Jones profit if he's such a danger to the status quo? He's either no danger or he's controlled.

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   8:32:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: bluegrass (#15)

Bollyn? Relegated to oblivion even though he's exposed more than Jones will ever dream of.

Traficant? Jail for a while.

Jim Hatfield? Dead.

Look man, Jews (for the most part) piss me off too. Especially high level sons of Jew bitches that manipulate society ... so much for my personal dislikes ... IT AIN"T JUST THE JEWS - It's The Babylonian brotherhood that INCLUDES High LEVEL MASONICS (ILLUMINISTS) and the PAPACY ... if one has a one track (the Jews dunnit) mind ... they end up relegated to the dust bin of non-relevance.

You should give it a rest.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   8:39:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222 (#16)

IT AIN"T JUST THE JEWS

I haven't said a peep about Jews. Jones is no threat to any power structure or else he'd be gone. End of story.

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   8:41:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: bluegrass (#17) (Edited)

I haven't said a peep about Jews.

I may have jumped to conclusions ... but the people you referenced have been ostracized and have been outspoken about Jewish misdeeds.

Maybe the PTB think they can co-opt any movement he might create, like they have the so-called Tea Parties.

Again, I haven't seen or heard of anyone that has done more to awaken (and you could say acclimate) people to the criminals reducing our freedom than Jones.

Have you ?

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   13:55:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: noone222 (#21)

Again, I haven't seen or heard of anyone that has done more to awaken (and you could say acclimate) people to the criminals reducing our freedom than Jones.

Have you ?

That's part of the equation. Jones might be there to acclimate people to the Police State without doing anything about it.

Jones didn't awaken me but he certainly did taunt some fears that I had about what I'd been learning. I began to suspect that he wasn't above board when I heard him defending Israel re: USS Liberty. His comment about Arabs owning Hollywood was my final straw.

How much bigger of a hammer do you need?

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   20:34:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: bluegrass (#24)

I heard him defending Israel re: USS Liberty. His comment about Arabs owning Hollywood was my final straw.

I've heard him discuss the Liberty and LBJ saying something to the effect that he wanted that GD ship on the bottom, but didn't hear Jones defending Israel, nor have I heard him say the Arabs own Hollywood ... that would be ridiculous.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   21:01:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: noone222 (#26)

If you never heard it then it must not of happened, right?

He not only defended Israel he said he didn't blame them for the attack, while at the same time he made accusations with not one shred of proof to back it up about Johnson being the matermind behind the attack on the USS Liberty.

RickyJ  posted on  2009-11-25   22:01:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: RickyJ (#40)

If you never heard it then it must not of happened, right?

I didn't say that at all ... though I've heard the Liberty conversation on his program many times.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:13:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: noone222, RickyJ, Bluegrass, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Sam Houston, Esso (#75)

... though I've heard the Liberty conversation on his program many times

I freely and voluntarily admit to have never listened to a Jones show. And, that trend shall continue.

But after reading this thread and perusing around I discover a proposition that I had previously not heard: Jones portrays Isreal's role in the USS Liberty incident as "innocent hit man" hired and controlled by Lyndon Johnson.

UTTER AND COMPLETE NONSENSE. Even if Jones' scenario is true, he then blithely gives the "hit man" a free pass which makes less than zero sense, as well.

Believe it or not and in a perverse way, I appreciate the stance of Magician over at LP, et. al., who are avowed and acknowledged Israeal Firsters and just come right out and say Israel did what it felt it needed to do even should that include murdering American Sailors. Hey, its honest.

Over the last years, I have occasionally posted my own opinion--my synopsis--of what transpired with the USS Liberty.

I'll go digging for and post it here again.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   9:43:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: noone222, RickyJ, Bluegrass, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Sam Houston, Esso (#81)

In closing and addressing what I think may have prompted your query, Fred, was that I made a connection between LBJ, the USS Liberty and Israel.

When the USS Liberty was attacked and despite the IDF immediately targeting the Liberty’s communications systems, the Liberty crew did get off a message to the Sixth Fleet. The Sixth Fleet (Admiral Larry Geis) then knew it was Israel perpetrating the attack. Geis dispatched fighters from his two carriers. That Americans other than those on the Liberty knew it was them, the IDF, attacking the Liberty AND that Americans who could actually shoot back were on the way, Israel backed off--but there were some behind the scenes activities rapidly occurring.

Israel did not want Washington, DC to know that Israel was about to lay a sneak attack on and major escalation of the hostilities on its neighbors to the north and south. Some Israeli nationals have freely and openly opined that Israel thought that the Liberty/U.S. was either intentionally or unintentionally providing information on Israel's military movements to Israel's enemies and that, therefore, Israel justifiably did what it had to do to take the Liberty out AND/OR the Israeli military was going to sink the Liberty and blame Egypt. Had the IDF sent the Liberty and all hands to the bottom and thanks to the inordinate amount of control and influence Zionists and liberal Jews have over the American news and entertainment industries, most Americans would now think that Egypt did it.

On to the connection: LBJ and McNamara RECALLED the fighters while the attack on ON!!! Un-f-ing believable!! The decision by Washington, DC to recall the fighter cover was abetting the IDF’s act of premeditated murder. This was treasonous. It was the Commander in Chief turning on his own troops.

WHY, OH, WHY?? Why would Johnson recall fighter protection from an American ship under fire?? What could explain that? And, further, what could possibly explain the federal government’s subsequent handling of the entire Liberty affair--its treatment of the crew--its COVER UP?

Israel. That’s what.

Here is what I think is extremely probable and this all happened in an extremely short period of time. Israel said we’ll back off; you stop the fighters and we won’t go public about your [LBJ‘s] involvement with and/or in JFK’s murder. We’ll both say and maintain forever that it was all just a tragic case of mistaken identity. The deal was done.

It is, therefore, that I make the connection between JFK, LBJ, the USS Liberty, and Israel.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   9:54:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Itistoolate (#82)

ping

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   9:59:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: wbales (#84)

thanks, great summary

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-11-26   10:01:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Itistoolate (#85)

And more on Jones:

When Jones employs the ubiquitous, ephemeral and elusive "them", "they", "the powers that be", "controllers", "behind the scenes guys", ect. in his diatribes, simply do what he shall not: substitute my tagline therein.

I bet after each show, his microphone is dripping with spit.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   10:16:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: wbales (#86)

"them", "they", "the powers that be", "controllers", "behind the scenes guys"

We know who is referring to, don't we?

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-11-26   10:20:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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