Freedom4um

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Miscellaneous
See other Miscellaneous Articles

Title: Followup - Glenn Beck and Alex Jones: Controlled Dissent
Source: American Everyman
URL Source: http://willyloman.wordpress.com/200 ... s-of-a-feather-story/#comments
Published: Nov 24, 2009
Author: Scott Creighton
Post Date: 2009-11-24 14:04:33 by bluegrass
Keywords: None
Views: 1875
Comments: 114

And just in case you think I was off-base with my assessment of Alex Jones’ pathetic self-promotion and stalling tactics… here is a video from Russia Today which Jones has posted on the front page of his website. In it he is asked directly about whether or not he supports a revolution in this country… immediately he holds up a copy of his new DVD that’s for sale, and says the following at around the 2:40 mark in the interview:

“Our republic is falling. That’s why (reaches for his DVD to hold up in front of the camera) I have made the film… Fall of the Republic.  I am calling for a revolution of ideas. A renaissance, a TRUE FREE MARKET… I am calling for a peaceful revolution under the bill of rights and the constitution… the peoples right, under the declaration of independence, to take their government back when it becomes oppressive and tyrannical… I don’t want a military coup…”  Jones

Jones’ message is clear; the government is tyrannical and oppressive, the globalists have used us and our taxes to seize control of most of the rest of the world’s economies and now they are in the process of turning our labor base into that of a 3rd world nation so that our business interests and the Wall Street bankers can “compete on the global market”… and what we should do about it… is buy his DVD and sit around and “think” about it.

It’s also important to note that the ONLY problem he seems to have with the neoliberal free-market ideology that is at the root of all of this, is the fact that it has become corrupt. Well, that is the entire POINT of that Chicago School economic model. It always has been about removing regulation and oversight in order to ALLOW CORRUPTION since the very FIRST laboratory they set up in Chile on Sept. 11th, 1973.  Deregulated, unchecked markets and unlimited free-trade is DESIGNED to allow for maximum corruptions and graft on a global scale.  By telling his followers this, he is basically saying to them that they shouldn’t oppose the POLICY, but rather a “few bad apples” who have corrupted it.  This is blatant pro-neoliberal propaganda on the level of George W. Bush coming out prior to the passage of the TARP Bill begging people not too allow “the system” to fail. “We MUST protect the system. The SYSTEM must NOT be allowed to fail”.

You will NEVER change a corrupt system this deeply embedded in a power structure without force… without a revolution. “Power yields to nothing except more power”. As long as Jones and Beck continue to pacify the very segments of the population who are most likely to rise up, the established power structures that Jones has made a fortune railing against will remain firmly in control of our collective future.

Just like the Glenn Beck video in which he used his recent Tampa speech to sell his recent book and plug his upcoming book, Jones used his time on the Russia Today interview to sell his video. Just like Beck who advised his followers to sit around for “100 years” doing nothing, so too is Jones telling his people who the way to fight back, is through “ideas” and not direct action. And just like Glenn Beck, who portrays the Obama adminstration’s corruption on “socialism”, Jones too misleads his followers.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

#1. To: bluegrass (#0)

… and what we should do about it… is buy his DVD

LOL exactly what I thought of Jones.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy."

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-24   14:19:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: bluegrass (#0)

I am calling for a revolution of ideas.

Better a revolution of manners.

"In short; racialist science is properly not an act of aggression or a cover for oppression of one group over another, but, on the contrary, an operation in defense of private property against assaults by aggressors." -- Murray Rothbard

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-11-24   14:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: farmfriend (#1)

The louder and more insistent the messenger, the more closely one should look for the sales pitch.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-24   14:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#2)

We had one. The impolite people won.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-24   14:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: bluegrass (#4)

Well it's a good idea. Manners beget the moral.

Seen MacDonald's latest?

The Morality of Majority Rights and Interests

...In individualist cultures, on the other hand, organizations include nonfamily members in positions of trust. Morality is defined in terms of universal moral principles that are independent of kinship connections or group membership. Trust therefore is of critical importance to individualist society.

Yet, as Putnam has shown, trust and civic mindedness are the first casualties of ethnic diversity...

...Everyone has rights and everyone has interests. The interests and rights of Whites as a majority are no less morally legitimate than anyone else’s rights. Whites must jettison the ideal of moral universalism and ask what is good for the future of Whites.

We have to seek a world in which Whites attempting to atone for their personal transgressions would seek moral legitimacy by working even harder on behalf of their own people.

The mantra never fails.

"In short; racialist science is properly not an act of aggression or a cover for oppression of one group over another, but, on the contrary, an operation in defense of private property against assaults by aggressors." -- Murray Rothbard

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-11-24   15:19:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: bluegrass (#3)

the more closely one should look for the sales pitch.

Agreed. Jones has some great stuff but I remember watching one of his movies and thinking he was a bit too narcissistic. Can't remember which movie it was.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy."

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-24   15:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: bluegrass (#0)

WTH is wrong with you people?? And further more what is the author and the rest of you twitts doing about it?

Your all a joke

MING THE MERCILESS  posted on  2009-11-24   20:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: MING THE MERCILESS (#7)

I don't pretend to be the spokesperson for something or other as Mr. Bullhorn does. It's time for Alex to move forward or be left behind.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-24   23:16:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: bluegrass, and the naysayers (#8)

It's time for Alex to move forward or be left behind.

Left behind by whom?

I agree with Ming. WTF is wrong with you people?

When one of you get on national TV and call for armed revolt, then you might be able to cast a stone. Until then, you might want to stfu.


Let me get this straight.

Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.

What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo

Critter  posted on  2009-11-25   8:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Critter (#9)

An emotional attachment to a media personality isn't something I'm interested in. Let's see what Alex does in the next few months and we'll know where he actually stands.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   8:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: bluegrass (#0)

It's called "sedition" when one promotes or facilitates a revolution or coup and it's ILLEGAL.

Jones is not stupid. Actually, he's close to brilliant. I've watched this "movement" (for lack of a better term) or non-movement for 25 years and Alex Jones has built his own empire as far as I can tell.

He started very young on access TV and has succeeded in growing every year. I have not seen anyone else take the freedom message to a higher level. His message serves a great purpose, he appears highly motivated, doesn't MF everybody else and maintains his discipline to do this in spite of the obstacles.

Show me someone doing a better job, waking up more people, and producing a more honest picture of what's happening and I'll listen.

The liberty movement is filled with stubborn, self-righteous, self-claiming purists, without even an iota of solution. Jones is within his rights to prefer a civil revolution by way of an informed populace. I may not agree, so what ?

Jones may be opposed to a military revolution/coup ... it would set a dangerous precedent, whether or not you or I agree with it.

People that spend their valueable time MF'n Jones ought to do something positive with that time.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   8:18:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#11)

Jones has had nine years to fire up the troops. He has managed to make a small fortune in the process.

Knock yourself out. I'm tired of Judas goats.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   8:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: farmfriend (#6)

I remember watching one of his movies and thinking he was a bit too narcissistic.

Jones is almost unbearable sometimes ... no one's perfect ... I have to turn him off and listen to Mike Chambers at ORACLE BROADCASTING because I like Mike's disposition far more than AJ's.

Jones gets the interviews, has the best insight into government scams BEFORE most others.

AND, I HATE THE WAY HE CUTS CALLERS OFF OR INTERRUPTS THEM CONTINUALLY ... however, regardless of what the Jones haters say ...

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   8:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: bluegrass (#12)

He has managed to make a small fortune in the process.

I agree ... he's a good manager. No one else has been able to stay productive let alone make a profit.

You against a profit ???

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   8:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: noone222 (#14)

You miss the point.

Beck and Jones profit. Why?

Bollyn? Relegated to oblivion even though he's exposed more than Jones will ever dream of.

Traficant? Jail for a while.

Jim Hatfield? Dead.

etc....

So why does Jones profit if he's such a danger to the status quo? He's either no danger or he's controlled.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   8:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: bluegrass (#15)

Bollyn? Relegated to oblivion even though he's exposed more than Jones will ever dream of.

Traficant? Jail for a while.

Jim Hatfield? Dead.

Look man, Jews (for the most part) piss me off too. Especially high level sons of Jew bitches that manipulate society ... so much for my personal dislikes ... IT AIN"T JUST THE JEWS - It's The Babylonian brotherhood that INCLUDES High LEVEL MASONICS (ILLUMINISTS) and the PAPACY ... if one has a one track (the Jews dunnit) mind ... they end up relegated to the dust bin of non-relevance.

You should give it a rest.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   8:39:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222 (#16)

IT AIN"T JUST THE JEWS

I haven't said a peep about Jews. Jones is no threat to any power structure or else he'd be gone. End of story.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   8:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: noone222 (#13)

I don't think I have ever listened to his radio show, don't visit his web site either. There is a group of us that have movie night every other week and some of his movies have been on the menu.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy."

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-25   12:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: farmfriend (#18)

his Fall of the Republic is his best one yet. great info and very professionally done. i can send one to you if you're interested.

christine  posted on  2009-11-25   12:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#19)

his Fall of the Republic is his best one yet. great info and very professionally done.

LOL yes the second half of that 3 hour movie was shown last week on movie night. I missed the first half and with a small crowd I talked through the second half. Some people can be so rude around movies. Well he was talking about AGW and that set me off. Saw he had McIntyre in the movie. I like him.

Anyway, my friend who puts on the movie nights for us makes copies of the DVDs that he sells for a $ or 2 depending on the cost of the blanks. But thanks for your offer. Nice to have friends who look out for you.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy."

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-25   12:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: bluegrass (#17) (Edited)

I haven't said a peep about Jews.

I may have jumped to conclusions ... but the people you referenced have been ostracized and have been outspoken about Jewish misdeeds.

Maybe the PTB think they can co-opt any movement he might create, like they have the so-called Tea Parties.

Again, I haven't seen or heard of anyone that has done more to awaken (and you could say acclimate) people to the criminals reducing our freedom than Jones.

Have you ?

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   13:55:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: farmfriend (#18)

I don't think I have ever listened to his radio show, don't visit his web site either.

He's sometimes rude to callers, obnoxious, and interrupts his own guests continually ... we all have our faults. Austin, Texas is a hot bed of activist, Patriot / LIBERTY oriented activity and much credit should be given to Alex Jones. We're all adults. We can choose to believe or not believe the information.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   13:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: noone222 (#22)

We're all adults. We can choose to believe or not believe the information.

Exactly.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy."

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-25   14:41:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: noone222 (#21)

Again, I haven't seen or heard of anyone that has done more to awaken (and you could say acclimate) people to the criminals reducing our freedom than Jones.

Have you ?

That's part of the equation. Jones might be there to acclimate people to the Police State without doing anything about it.

Jones didn't awaken me but he certainly did taunt some fears that I had about what I'd been learning. I began to suspect that he wasn't above board when I heard him defending Israel re: USS Liberty. His comment about Arabs owning Hollywood was my final straw.

How much bigger of a hammer do you need?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   20:34:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: bluegrass (#24)

I began to suspect that he wasn't above board when I heard him defending Israel re: USS Liberty. His comment about Arabs owning Hollywood was my final straw.

How much bigger of a hammer do you need?

I think that one is more than sufficient, thank you.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-11-25   20:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: bluegrass (#24)

I heard him defending Israel re: USS Liberty. His comment about Arabs owning Hollywood was my final straw.

I've heard him discuss the Liberty and LBJ saying something to the effect that he wanted that GD ship on the bottom, but didn't hear Jones defending Israel, nor have I heard him say the Arabs own Hollywood ... that would be ridiculous.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-25   21:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222. all (#26)

I've heard him discuss the Liberty and LBJ saying something to the effect that he wanted that GD ship on the bottom, but didn't hear Jones defending Israel, nor have I heard him say the Arabs own Hollywood ... that would be ridiculous.

Same here.

He's had several survivors of the Liberty attack on for extended segments reporting what went on that infamous day.

Arabs owning Hollywood - please. I own more of H'wood than do Arabs.

Lod  posted on  2009-11-25   21:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: noone222 (#26)

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   21:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#26)

Another:

Alex Jones Explains USS Liberty

... Consider what Alex Jones is telling us:

1) President Johnson had personal control over a Navy ship

Why would the US military give Johnson “personal control” over one of their ships? Does any president have personal control over any Navy ship, Air Force plane, or army tank?

2) Johnson made a backroom deal with Israel to attack the ship and kill everybody on board

Unfortunately, Jones does not provide any evidence that there was a “backroom deal”. He does not provide any documents, nor does he explain how President Johnson convinced the Israeli government and military to commit such an incredible crime against their best friend.

The absurdity of his accusation should become more apparent if you imagine yourself in Israel’s position. Imagine yourself getting a call from the leader of a nation you regard as a friend, such as New Zealand. The New Zealand president asks you to get your friends together, go over to one of their military bases, and kill all the New Zealand soldiers on the base. New Zealand will then blame the attack on Bolivia, and then take over all of South America.

Would you and your friends commit such a crime? Wouldn’t you be wondering, “Why should I and my friends risk such a disgusting crime for the President of New Zealand?”

Alex Jones expects us to believe that the Israel government and military are submissive and innocent victims of the selfish, murderous, and cruel American government officials. Alex Jones wants us to feel sorry for the Israelis.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   21:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Esso (#25)

I reckon some people like being nails when there are hammers around....

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   21:18:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: bluegrass (#0)

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

Example: 'With the talk-show circuit and the book deal, it looks like you can make a pretty good living spreading lies.'

Proper response: 'You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your imply guilt as a means of attacking the messenger or his credentials, but cowardly fail to offer any concrete evidence that this is so. If you think what has been presented are 'lies', why not simply so illustrate? Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 6 - question motives)?'

Having posted that I do agree that Beck is controlled opposition and I do not entirely trust Alex Jones, but not for the reasons given by the writer of this hit piece.

Beck's history is as a Shock Jock turned Talk Jock. He rose up out of Klear Channel's Radio Talk Stable and at Klear Channel you do anything other than the Party Line and you are off the air.

As well Klear Channel is owned by the Mays Fambly - who are fundamentalist Christian Israel Worshipping Rupture Nuts. They are tight allies of the Bush Fambly which is tied to the CIA and thus there is possible linkage to CIA disinformation programs. Klear Channel also is the home of the great Mahajunkie himself "Pills" Limbaugh - who is NeoCon disinfo all the way.

Jones is a different fettle of kish. I do agree that violent revolution is an absolute last resort. The only thing a violent uprising would do at this point would be to provide pretext for a Martial Law Clampdown. Nevertheless, Jones will rarely talk about specific individuals driving the NWO agenda and instead subsists on hyperbole and scare mongering. There are some topics which he avoids and will not touch. His protege Jason Bermas went ballistic on a caller for daring to ask about the connection of Israel in all of the NWO/Bilderburger Stew. He will not comment on or approach the fact that the upper levels of our government are heavily infested with "dual-citizen" Israeli Zionists. So, Jones is at least blind in one area, and has a Texas-sized ego. When Jeff Rense linked to an article by Brother Nathaniel questioning Jones's Bias and connections Jones went ballistic and had Rense kicked off of the Genesis Network and called Rense personally threatening to destroy him. Methinks he doth protest too much.

So, Beck I do not trust at all and Jones is at best questionable.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   21:32:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent (#31)

He will not comment on or approach the fact that the upper levels of our government are heavily infested with "dual-citizen" Israeli Zionists.

Were they Arabs, on the other hand....

Jones is at best questionable.

At worst, he's Beck's other pincer. The disaffected Rushbots are flocking to Beck. Jones is the catch-all for the rest of the pissed-off sheep.

Great post. Thanks for the thoughtful comments.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   21:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: noone222, bluegrass, all (#14)

He has managed to make a small fortune in the process.

I agree ... he's a good manager. No one else has been able to stay productive let alone make a profit.

You against a profit ???

Yes, he should wear a hair shirt, subsist on potato soup, and wear wrinkled "hand-me-downs" to prove his sincerity. /sarcasm

While I have some strong disagreements with Jones being successful is not one of them, and last I checked he had a nice home but not a palatial mansion. Most of the income to his program goes out again to build capabilities. You cannot run an operation like the one he's built up on potato soup. However, that attack line is a great PsyOp/Disinfo line - "how dare he be successful and make money" why, why, it's, it's, just awful that he manages to bring in more than goes out. Were he pulling a "Jim and Tammy" it would have long ago been all over the place given the number of detractors he has. That they have not been able to do that is evidence of something (I'm not sure what it is, but sumthin'.).

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   21:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: bluegrass (#24)

I began to suspect that he wasn't above board when I heard him defending Israel re: USS Liberty. His comment about Arabs owning Hollywood was my final straw.

That is all I need to hear about Alex Jones.

His comments about Arabs and Hollywood and the financial markets are beyond absurd.

I think about six months or so (?) ago, I seem to remember a thread on this website about an radio associate or employee of his going off on an individual complaining of or raising questions concerning Zionist Jew involvement in 09/11 or something along those lines--it caught my adverse attention.

I'm glad I've never really listened to Jones.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-25   21:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: noone222 (#11) (Edited)

Jones is not stupid. Actually, he's close to brilliant. I've watched this "movement" (for lack of a better term) or non-movement for 25 years and Alex Jones has built his own empire as far as I can tell.

You got to be kidding me. Jones is a windbag who has done nothing other than cover for the real perpatrators of 911. He is an Israeli apologist to the extreme. He has even gone so far as to say that he does not blame Israel for its attack on the USS Liberty, while at the same time blaming Johnson as if he was the devil incarnate. His willingness to blame a US president for something there is not one shred of proof for while giving the state of Israel a pass for a direct attact on a US ship is all any one needs to know about the clown called Alex Jones.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-11-25   21:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: bluegrass (#32)

Thank you for the kind words.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   21:45:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: wbales (#34)

I seem to remember a thread on this website about an radio associate or employee of his going off on an individual complaining of or raising questions concerning Zionist Jew involvement in 09/11 or something along those lines--it caught my adverse attention.

Jason Bermas, Jones's Jewish sidekick in the spring.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   21:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Original_Intent (#31)

His protege Jason Bermas went ballistic on a caller for daring to ask about the connection of Israel in all of the NWO/Bilderburger Stew.

Personally, I haven't been back to listening to AJ regularly since. On a personal level, I make it a habit not to make accusations about controlled opposition without absolute proof. I don't see such proof with AJ.

Pray for Obama: Psalm 1984

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-11-25   21:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: noone222, Lod (#26)

nor have I heard him say the Arabs own Hollywood ... that would be ridiculous.

Have you listened to what BG posted in #28?

What is your reaction to that?

Jones does mention Isreal but his MAIN point is the influence and control by ARABS.

????

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-25   22:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: noone222 (#26)

If you never heard it then it must not of happened, right?

He not only defended Israel he said he didn't blame them for the attack, while at the same time he made accusations with not one shred of proof to back it up about Johnson being the matermind behind the attack on the USS Liberty.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-11-25   22:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: bluegrass (#37)

Jason Bermas, Jones's Jewish sidekick in the spring.

Yes--and OI's reference in his post refreshed my memory.

Thanks.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-25   22:01:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: RickyJ (#40)

He not only defended Israel he said he didn't blame them for the attack, while at the same time he made accusations with not one shred of proof to back it up about Johnson being the matermind behind the attack on the USS Liberty.

Jones, then, thinks that Israel was justified in colluding and participating in Johnson's scheme?!

That is the basic position taken by Magician over at LP.

Both are full of sh..

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-25   22:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: wbales (#39)

No, I'll have to go back and listen tomorrow, but I cannot believe that any thinking human would say that the arabs, and not the jews, controlls the media, is not nuts.

Lod  posted on  2009-11-25   22:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: RickyJ (#40) (Edited)

Johnson personally called off the air support to defend the Liberty.

They were in the air, and he personally ordered them back to ship.

Being a made-man with them in '63, what else could he do?

Lod  posted on  2009-11-25   22:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: wbales (#41)

The trick that many seem to be missing is that the ADL destroys their perceived enemies, yet these folks appear to be doing just fine. Kevin MacDonald is probably the last named enemy of the ADL that actually was a perceived enemy. Lately, they seem to be engaged in some kind of stalking horse campaign with Beck, etc. acting as the horses.

One noticeable absence from the ADL's latest enemies list is Leo Donofrio. The reason for their silence is that Donofrio actually does present a challenge to the status quo on their own playing field. He's been running rings around Hawaii's Dept. of Health regarding Obama's records and he's been a pest in DC legal circles.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   22:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: bluegrass (#28)

he said most of the theater chains and hollywood is owned by the arabs and the israelis (for some reason) but that the actual financing is mainly saudi, jordanian, the folks from dubai and cutter and a few other places, and the british of course.

isn't that a distinction? do we know that that isn't true? and does anyone know the date of this broadcast?

christine  posted on  2009-11-25   22:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: christine (#46) (Edited)

the actual financing is mainly saudi, jordanian, the folks from dubai and cutter and a few other places, and the british of course.

Arabs do finance projects in Hollywood just like Chinese, Japanese and every other international playboy with a spare hundred million bucks. Alex's statement about Arabs owning Hollywood is the statement of a fool or a shill. Even Jews admit that Jews own and run Hollywood.

Edit: I think this was broadcast in the past couple of years.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   22:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#5)

Sorry so late to reply...

Confucius was saying the same thing essentially, no?

The Master said, "Is humaneness a thing remote? I wish to be humane, and behold! humaneness is at hand."

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   22:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: bluegrass (#47)

Alex's statement about Arabs owning Hollywood is the statement of a fool or a shill.

His statement is obviously nonsense in the absence of proof, but when a person like AJ talks nonstop x 365 x 18 hours a day, some crapola has to roll out. I'd be curious to see how he either defends this argument w/proof or acknowledges he had a brain fart.

Pray for Obama: Psalm 1984

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-11-25   22:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: bluegrass (#47)

Arabs do finance projects in Hollywood just like Chinese, Japanese and every other international playboy with a spare hundred million bucks. Alex's statement about Arabs owning Hollywood is the statement of a fool or a shill. Even Jews admit that Jews own and run Hollywood.

I don't trust Real Zionist News.

Is Alex Jones A Zionist Shill?..Controversy Swirls | Real Zionist News

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-11-25   23:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: TwentyTwelve (#50)

Me neither. You linked it. I didn't.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   23:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull (#38)

His protege Jason Bermas went ballistic on a caller for daring to ask about the connection of Israel in all of the NWO/Bilderburger Stew.

Personally, I haven't been back to listening to AJ regularly since. On a personal level, I make it a habit not to make accusations about controlled opposition without absolute proof. I don't see such proof with AJ.

For me is was the Rense matter. I've listened to Jeff Rense almost from the beginning of his program and have had some small amount of correspondence with him. While I do not always agree with him I do like him and find his approach of providing the information in a straightforward manner preferable to AJ's hyperbolic high blood pressure approach. While I can understand his upset with the Brother Nathaniel piece, given that he is very protective of his family, his overreaction with JR turned me off completely. I don't think I've listened to more than 15 minutes of any of his broadcasts since. As well the Brother Nathaniel piece made a couple of telling points about AJ's biases and subjects he avoids and will not cover e.g., Zionism and the connections between Israel and the European Crime Family of Rothschild.

I have never fully made up my mind one way or the other on AJ - whether he is a very sophisticated PsyOp or simply someone blinded by his personal connections. He has been mildly critical of Israel's human rights abuses at times, but by no means does he cover them thoroughly - including the background of Zionism and its beliefs - as Rense has and does. So, minimally he has a blind spot and maximally he is a PsyOp to neuter the Patriotic Resistance indirectly by giving an ineffective outlet to dissipate pent-up emotion - which IS definitely one of Limbazoid's functions.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   23:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Original_Intent (#52)

I have never fully made up my mind one way or the other on AJ - whether he is a very sophisticated PsyOp or simply someone blinded by his personal connections.

His Bohemian Grove escapade strikes me as psy-op. No one could pull that off without a connection from higher up in the chain.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   23:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: TwentyTwelve (#50)

I don't trust Real Zionist News.

Me neither. There is something not right there, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I keep thinking of different so-called hate groups which have turned out to be fronts for Zionist interests - such as creating the illusion of great hate where there is little hate. I always think of the "Aryan" Leader who turned out to be Jewish and a disinfo front creating the illusion of hate where there was none. Therefore, given his "over-the-top" style, I am left wondering if Brother Nathaniel is simply another "deep cover" Zionist. Kind of like the "American Al CIAda" whose grandfather was on the ADL Board.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   23:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: bluegrass (#12)

I'm tired of Judas goats.

Then lead the way tough guy.


Let me get this straight.

Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.

What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo

Critter  posted on  2009-11-25   23:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Original_Intent (#54)

I don't trust Real Zionist News.

Me neither. There is something not right there, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I keep thinking of different so-called hate groups which have turned out to be fronts for Zionist interests - such as creating the illusion of great hate where there is little hate. I always think of the "Aryan" Leader who turned out to be Jewish and a disinfo front creating the illusion of hate where there was none. Therefore, given his "over-the-top" style, I am left wondering if Brother Nathaniel is simply another "deep cover" Zionist. Kind of like the "American Al CIAda" whose grandfather was on the ADL Board.

A lot of money, time and work has gone into the PsyOp programs.

Continuing mass confusion is the name of the game.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-11-25   23:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: bluegrass (#53)

His Bohemian Grove escapade strikes me as psy-op. No one could pull that off without a connection from higher up in the chain.

Possibly, but we have no hard data as to whether he got away with simply because he was the first to do it or whether it was intended to let him "get away with it". I know that the last guy to try it has been hounded into near destruction last I heard. Actually more compelling, circumstantially, is that the power brokers who attend the Satanic Grove have not subsequently destroyed AJ for invading their "festivities". It is like "the dog that did not bark in the night". And it was the Bohemian Grove Op that drove him to prominence.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-25   23:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Critter (#55)

I already am. I have my peeps. And you?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-25   23:58:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Original_Intent (#57)

Actually more compelling, circumstantially, is that the power brokers who attend the Satanic Grove have not subsequently destroyed AJ for invading their "festivities".

Again, the conclusion is that the powers that be think him not a threat or he's 'special'.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   0:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: TwentyTwelve (#56)

A lot of money, time and work has gone into the PsyOp programs.

Continuing mass confusion is the name of the game.

At this point that IS the name of the game. Devoid of a pretext to completely shut the Internet down and eliminate it as a source of data the program has become to plant multiple threads of disinformation to divert, misinform, and confuse. In short - PsyOps.

The counter is to inform ones self broadly and have a good Bullshit Detector.

I am thankful every day that I took Symbolic Logic. As a side note I ran into my old xeroxed copy of the out of print textbook we used. It was written by Professor Bangs Tapscott - a Texan of course with that name.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   0:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: bluegrass (#59)

Actually more compelling, circumstantially, is that the power brokers who attend the Satanic Grove have not subsequently destroyed AJ for invading their "festivities".

Again, the conclusion is that the powers that be think him not a threat or he's 'special'.

A reasonable and logical inference.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   0:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: bluegrass, Original_Intent (#59)

Actually more compelling, circumstantially, is that the power brokers who attend the Satanic Grove have not subsequently destroyed AJ for invading their "festivities".

Again, the conclusion is that the powers that be think him not a threat or he's 'special'.

I think that it is "the powers that be think him not a threat".

The elite/nwo think that they have enough power to destroy America and there is nothing ANYONE can do about it.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-11-26   0:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: TwentyTwelve (#62)

The elite/nwo think that they have enough power to destroy America and there is nothing ANYONE can do about it.

Or that people need an outlet so they won't do anything about it.

However, there are moves afoot to counter them. At this point it is a delaying game - much like stringing a Sweep out till it runs into the sideline. Psychotics like we are dealing with are capable of destruction but they are not very good at all at creating positive things. Thus they tend to self destruct - as Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin did. Their ability to create is stuck on destuction and in the end they will destroy themselves. We just cannot give up and have to keep stringing the play out until they do. As well there are counter forces building I can see some and feel more. We are not yet through the maelstrom, but I think we will make it out the other side - strengthened by the test.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   0:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#63)

As well there are counter forces building I can see some and feel more.

Indeed. I share your perception. The law of unintended consequences will bite these devils in the end.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   0:20:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: bluegrass, TwentyTwelve (#64)

The law of unintended consequences will bite these devils in the end.

Hopefully in both cheeks.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   0:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, christine, Esso, farmfriend, RickyJ, Critter, Prefrontal Vortex, Lod, wbales, Jethro Tull, noone222, Pinguinite (#65)

Jones is pushing Beck on his Facebook page:

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   2:02:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: bluegrass (#66)

Interesting.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy."

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-26   2:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: TwentyTwelve (#62)

The elite/nwo think that they have enough power to destroy America and there is nothing ANYONE can do about it.

In many ways they already have destroyed America and nothing has been done about it yet. The destruction is not complete yet, but darn close enough. Jobs that produce real products are rarely seen in America now. Big agriculture pushing GMO has almost wiped out the small farmers of America. A nation that will soon lack the ability to feed itself and cloth itself that thinks it is a superpower is a nation heading for a crash of gargantuan proportions. The current recession pales in comparison of what awaits America in the not too distant future. I would say for all practical purposes they have destroyed America already without one shot being fired.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-11-26   3:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: farmfriend (#67)

And Limbaugh was linking to Jones's site last week. They're all co-tools.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   3:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: bluegrass, Original_Intent, Lod (#69)

And Limbaugh was linking to Jones's site last week. They're all co-tools.

I agree. Jones does put out some good stuff. But I think his over the top style allows for the kook label. That way anyone who agrees with him is now a kook dismissing a whole host of information at once. This leaves Beck and Limbaugh to be "the more reasonable" and thus able to direct more people to follow the party line.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy."

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-26   3:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: farmfriend (#70)

Nice tie-ins. Thanks. Jones is the new LaRouche, iow.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   4:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: bluegrass, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, christine, Esso, farmfriend, RickyJ, Critter, Prefrontal Vortex, Lod, Jethro Tull, noone222, Pinguinite (#69)

They're all co-tools.

= Zionist Deniers.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   6:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: bluegrass (#66)

Jones is pushing Beck on his Facebook page:

We can all see whatever we want to. You see this as Jones pushing Beck ... and I see it as Jones pushing ClimateGate.

Jones is hesitant to badmouth his competition or fellow talkers. But one thing is certain in my mind and that is we should learn to acknowledge those issues we agree on far outweigh the ones we don't.

We're Americans ! Traitors can be dealt with at the appropriate time.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   7:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: RickyJ (#68)

I would say for all practical purposes they have destroyed America already without one shot being fired.

Quoted For Truth.

It's too late for political activism. I see this and other boards like it as useful for venting one's frustrations, but nothing else.

I live in a semi-rural area and we know how to survive out here. Best decision I've made in recent years was to retire from the electorate.

All you "American exceptionalists" out there are exceptionally obtuse. You don't get it. It's over.

The time to stop this was right after 9/11. Instead, most rallied 'round the flag and the Chimp as he took orders from Darth, who had just helped pull off 9/11, on what to do next.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-26   8:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: RickyJ (#40)

If you never heard it then it must not of happened, right?

I didn't say that at all ... though I've heard the Liberty conversation on his program many times.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Sam Houston (#74)

The time to stop this was right after 9/11.

During WACO was the time !!!

No More WACOs !

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:15:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: wbales (#39)

Jones does mention Isreal but his MAIN point is the influence and control by ARABS.

OK ... he said the Arabs and Israel ... then leaned toward Arab implication more. I don't happen to agree with him but he did quote a source for his claim.

Bermas is a different story. His association with AJ is curious to me. I don't listen to Bermas. (I call him Berman).

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: RickyJ (#35)

Jones is a windbag who has done nothing other than cover for the real perpatrators of 911. He is an Israeli apologist to the extreme. He has even gone so far as to say that he does not blame Israel for its attack on the USS Liberty, while at the same time blaming Johnson as if he was the devil incarnate.

Jones is a windbag ... He isn't an apologist for Israel, he just doesn't bash them continually which would make his program as boring as many posts here that are one trick (the Jews do it all) ponies.

LBJ could be treated as the devil incarnate ... ever been to Vietnam ?

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:25:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Original_Intent (#33)

While I have some strong disagreements with Jones being successful is not one of them, and last I checked he had a nice home but not a palatial mansion. Most of the income to his program goes out again to build capabilities. You cannot run an operation like the one he's built up on potato soup. However, that attack line is a great PsyOp/Disinfo line - "how dare he be successful and make money" why, why, it's, it's, just awful that he manages to bring in more than goes out. Were he pulling a "Jim and Tammy" it would have long ago been all over the place given the number of detractors he has. That they have not been able to do that is evidence of something (I'm not sure what it is, but sumthin'.).

Same page !!!

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:27:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: noone222 (#76)

During WACO was the time !!!

I agree Waco was a horrific act by the feds, but it and its aftermath had no effect on the fiscal condition of the U.S. government.

What was was allowed to happen after the orchestrated event on 9/11 doubled the national debt. There's no way to dig ourselves out from this. It's over for the U.S. It is in its death throes. Now it will go into a final spasm of violence both internally and externally.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-26   9:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: noone222, RickyJ, Bluegrass, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Sam Houston, Esso (#75)

... though I've heard the Liberty conversation on his program many times

I freely and voluntarily admit to have never listened to a Jones show. And, that trend shall continue.

But after reading this thread and perusing around I discover a proposition that I had previously not heard: Jones portrays Isreal's role in the USS Liberty incident as "innocent hit man" hired and controlled by Lyndon Johnson.

UTTER AND COMPLETE NONSENSE. Even if Jones' scenario is true, he then blithely gives the "hit man" a free pass which makes less than zero sense, as well.

Believe it or not and in a perverse way, I appreciate the stance of Magician over at LP, et. al., who are avowed and acknowledged Israeal Firsters and just come right out and say Israel did what it felt it needed to do even should that include murdering American Sailors. Hey, its honest.

Over the last years, I have occasionally posted my own opinion--my synopsis--of what transpired with the USS Liberty.

I'll go digging for and post it here again.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   9:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: noone222, RickyJ, Bluegrass, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Sam Houston, Esso (#81)

In closing and addressing what I think may have prompted your query, Fred, was that I made a connection between LBJ, the USS Liberty and Israel.

When the USS Liberty was attacked and despite the IDF immediately targeting the Liberty’s communications systems, the Liberty crew did get off a message to the Sixth Fleet. The Sixth Fleet (Admiral Larry Geis) then knew it was Israel perpetrating the attack. Geis dispatched fighters from his two carriers. That Americans other than those on the Liberty knew it was them, the IDF, attacking the Liberty AND that Americans who could actually shoot back were on the way, Israel backed off--but there were some behind the scenes activities rapidly occurring.

Israel did not want Washington, DC to know that Israel was about to lay a sneak attack on and major escalation of the hostilities on its neighbors to the north and south. Some Israeli nationals have freely and openly opined that Israel thought that the Liberty/U.S. was either intentionally or unintentionally providing information on Israel's military movements to Israel's enemies and that, therefore, Israel justifiably did what it had to do to take the Liberty out AND/OR the Israeli military was going to sink the Liberty and blame Egypt. Had the IDF sent the Liberty and all hands to the bottom and thanks to the inordinate amount of control and influence Zionists and liberal Jews have over the American news and entertainment industries, most Americans would now think that Egypt did it.

On to the connection: LBJ and McNamara RECALLED the fighters while the attack on ON!!! Un-f-ing believable!! The decision by Washington, DC to recall the fighter cover was abetting the IDF’s act of premeditated murder. This was treasonous. It was the Commander in Chief turning on his own troops.

WHY, OH, WHY?? Why would Johnson recall fighter protection from an American ship under fire?? What could explain that? And, further, what could possibly explain the federal government’s subsequent handling of the entire Liberty affair--its treatment of the crew--its COVER UP?

Israel. That’s what.

Here is what I think is extremely probable and this all happened in an extremely short period of time. Israel said we’ll back off; you stop the fighters and we won’t go public about your [LBJ‘s] involvement with and/or in JFK’s murder. We’ll both say and maintain forever that it was all just a tragic case of mistaken identity. The deal was done.

It is, therefore, that I make the connection between JFK, LBJ, the USS Liberty, and Israel.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   9:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Sam Houston (#80)

I agree Waco was a horrific act by the feds, but it and its aftermath had no effect on the fiscal condition of the U.S. government.

What was was allowed to happen after the orchestrated event on 9/11 doubled the national debt. There's no way to dig ourselves out from this. It's over for the U.S. It is in its death throes. Now it will go into a final spasm of violence both internally and externally.

The WACO event led to OKC, regardless of who perpetrated it. OKC has been used to support the Constitutional violations that security requires, but you are right, 9-11 was the Police State Capstone for sure and allowed for massive spending.

The money thing is something else when you consider there's no beef (there's no money).

All of the gnashing of teeth is over paper or digits that cause people to think or believe that they're owed something, and the debtor IS NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE or GOVERNMENT ... bankers and brokers made fraudulent transactions amongst each other and should be left to sort it out for themselves without even bothering the people with it.

Whomever signed the transactions of high level "securities" are the only ones responsible and should be allowed to fail, duel, kill, or hang each other.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-26   9:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Itistoolate (#82)

ping

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   9:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: wbales (#84)

thanks, great summary

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-11-26   10:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Itistoolate (#85)

And more on Jones:

When Jones employs the ubiquitous, ephemeral and elusive "them", "they", "the powers that be", "controllers", "behind the scenes guys", ect. in his diatribes, simply do what he shall not: substitute my tagline therein.

I bet after each show, his microphone is dripping with spit.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   10:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: wbales (#86)

"them", "they", "the powers that be", "controllers", "behind the scenes guys"

We know who is referring to, don't we?

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-11-26   10:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: ratcat (#66)

FYI.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   12:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Sam Houston, RickyJ (#74)

Actually - the time to stop this was 1963.

However, the game is NOT over and premature capitulation serves no useful end.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   12:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: noone222 (#78) (Edited)

Thank you for the refreshing punctuations. Sigh.

As you are aware, and some seem unaware, the New World Order Crime Syndicate is not strictly a Jewish operation. SOME ethnic Jews are a big component but are by no means the exclusive controllers or participants. The Jewish element figures in heavily only because Jewish ethnic solidarity has been used as a tool to get other Jews to take actions against their own best interests and of common humanity. To focus on the Jewish element exclusively is myopic at best and prevents seeing the full picture - which includes Protestant Brahmins, English, Danish, and Dutch Royalty etc., .... The NWO is a multi-ethnic SYNDICATE and is best viewed as very very large scale organized crime.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   12:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Sam Houston (#80)

What was was allowed to happen after the orchestrated event on 9/11 doubled the national debt. There's no way to dig ourselves out from this. It's over for the U.S. It is in its death throes. Now it will go into a final spasm of violence both internally and externally.

And like the Phoenix will again rise from the ashes.

However, it is going to get a little bit worse before it gets better, but I think the tide is near full and will, reluctantly, begin to recede in the next two or three years, but it won't be obvious before 2015.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   12:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: wbales (#82)

Here is what I think is extremely probable and this all happened in an extremely short period of time. Israel said we’ll back off; you stop the fighters and we won’t go public about your [LBJ‘s] involvement with and/or in JFK’s murder. We’ll both say and maintain forever that it was all just a tragic case of mistaken identity. The deal was done.

It is, therefore, that I make the connection between JFK, LBJ, the USS Liberty, and Israel.

A plausible hypothesis. We do know LBJ was about as dirty as they come, and it is virtually certain that he was involved at some level with the JFK Assassination - if only by awareness and the subsequent cover-up.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   12:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: noone222 (#83)

Whomever signed the transactions of high level "securities" are the only ones responsible and should be allowed to fail, duel, kill, or hang each other.

Amen.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   12:24:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Original_Intent (#89)

premature capitulation serves no useful end

It's not a game to me. I dislike both/all sides in these political fights. That's why I retired from the electorate.

"Country folks can survive." (And they don't have to follow politics to do so.)

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-26   12:38:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Sam Houston (#94)

Of course it is a game albeit a very serious one.

A game consists of freedoms, barriers, and objectives. We have two opposing sides and we have spectators. That we have. I didn't say it was a "fun" game though.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   12:49:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Original_Intent (#95)

You can choose not to play the game. It's called taking the Redpill in the movie.

I'm not in the game. I'm not even watching it with all that much interest anymore.

The Cold War, in retrospect, was another game of The Matrix. I'm glad I chose not to participate in that one either.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-26   12:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: All (#95)

I might add that the first 3 Quarters were played without our side being aware it was in the game - and yet the other side has, as yet, been unable to win. I think that says something about their competence and fitness to rule.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   12:53:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Sam Houston (#96)

I'm not in the game. I'm not even watching it with all that much interest anymore.

No one ever achieved or won anything by being apathetic. Apathy is a very low level of causation. This not a criticism merely an observation.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   12:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: wbales (#81)

A lot on Jones here:

www.alexjonesmachine.com/family.htm

"Something tells me Super Lawyers don't come cheap. Schurig specializes in "the design of complex estate and business plans for U.S., non-U.S., and dual-citizen clients, and in assisting such clients with their pre-immigration and expatriation tax planning." 25 countries listed. And she "serves as outside counsel to several high net worth family offices." Like I said, not cheap.

This begs the question, why do the Joneses need someone with experience in dual-citizenship problems?"

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   14:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: bluegrass (#99)

Most interesting, thanks.

Lod  posted on  2009-11-26   15:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, christine, Esso, farmfriend, RickyJ, Critter, Prefrontal Vortex, Lod, wbales, Jethro Tull, noone222, Pinguinite (#100)

Even better. Alex Jones shares a lawyer with a Bronfman.

www.alexjonesmachine.com/betlev.htm

"Another odd thing for someone who gave up a privileged lifestyle...she [Holly Bronfman] "holds approximately -- 6.424% in - "Treetops" Treetops, as in Treetops Acquisition Group LP as in the Federal Reserve System - Israel Discount Bank Ltd., Tel Aviv, Israel. Sure seems like Holly didn't give up as much as is touted.

So enough about Mrs. Lev...this gets me wondering...Elizabeth Schurig is Holly's lawyer and Elizabeth Schurig is Alex and Kelly Jones' lawyer. HUH? Why do the Joneses have the same attorney as little 'ol Holly Bronfman-Lev? Schurig probably doesn't give many discounts, I mean once you're working for the Bronfmans, I doubt there's a sliding scale to accomodate less wealthy clients, but I could be wrong. Jones begs for money all the time. Does the money bomb money help pay for Jones' high priced Bronfman lawyer? Hmmmm?"

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   17:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: bluegrass. everyone here (#101)

The curious thing (to me) is why do these people put all this information out there?

Lod  posted on  2009-11-26   18:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Lod (#102)

Which people do you mean?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   18:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: bluegrass (#103) (Edited)

Mainly the lawyers regarding their clients, and what I would consider to be confidential information about business deals.

Why draw unnecessary attention to yourself or your business?

Lod  posted on  2009-11-26   18:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: All (#103)

The tracing was done through publicly available business records.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   18:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: bluegrass (#99)

This begs the question, why do the Joneses need someone with experience in dual-citizenship problems?"

AJ's wife is Jewish. I don't know what her connections are, but I do recall the post of a quote about AJ complaining about Israel's restrictive immigration policies for non-Jews. ???

The implication being that they were making, or trying to make, a move to Israel.

That is another interesting datum.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-26   18:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Lod (#102)

The curious thing (to me) is why do these people put all this information out there?

But they aren't putting anything new out there. They are only "putting" stuff out that has already come out. Jones reveals nothing new about 9/11 ever. He is always putting stuff out second hand. There is no sense in trying to hide something that is already out in the public domain, so they might as well try to use it to help steer the opposition in a direction they want them to go.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-11-26   18:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: bluegrass (#101)

Schurig, Bet Lev & Infowars

Oh yeah.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-11-26   20:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: wbales (#108)

Shabbos Jones.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-26   21:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: RickyJ (#107)

steer the opposition in a direction they want them to go.

It's difficult for some people to admit that they've been steered. Maybe that's how Jones keeps making money - basic human pride.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-27   9:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: wbales (#108)

This thread died but it's gotten like a 100 hits since last night. Someone's reading it.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-27   10:01:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: bluegrass (#69)

They're all co-tools.

Only the unemployed can be trusted.

If a nation expects to be diverse and free, it expects what never was and never will be.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-11-28   18:31:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Lod (#102)

The curious thing (to me) is why do these people put all this information out there?

Why not?

If a nation expects to be diverse and free, it expects what never was and never will be.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-11-28   18:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#112)

There's no such thing as an unemployed snake. They always have work.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-28   20:34:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest