Title: Does Islam Breed Violence? (An Iranian-Born American's View) Source:
FaithFreedomOrg URL Source:http://faithfreedom.org/islam/does-islam-breed-violence Published:Nov 14, 2009 Author:Amil Amani Post Date:2009-12-03 22:32:29 by Liberator Keywords:Islam, Bloody, Muslim, Cult Views:48387 Comments:650
There is a division of the house. On one side are the politically correct in government, the leftist mainstream media, and a raft of Islamist apologists. One and all are tripping over each other in reassuring us that the mass murderers such as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan and suicide bombers who detonate their explosive vests in crowded marketplaces and even mosques are individual anomalies and Islam is not responsible for what they do.
On the other hand are those who have been fed up with the numberless daily horrific acts that are clearly committed under the banner of Islam throughout the world. In all fairness, there needs to be a distinction. Numerous criminal acts are also committed, on a daily basis, by non-Muslims. The critical difference is that non-Muslim criminals do not hoist a religious banner to justify their misdeeds, while the Muslims proudly claim that they commit their heinous acts in obedience to the dictates of their religious faith.
Would someone, please, explain what motivated Nidal Hasan who had been, at tax payer’s expense, educated from college all the way through medical school and post medical-school training, to turn his deadly weapons against a nation that gave him everything he had?
If Islam had nothing to do with what Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan did, why:
* had he repeatedly preached the ascendancy of Islam to the U.S. Constitution?
* had he publicly supported Islamic suicide bombing?
* had he proclaimed his highest loyalty to Islam?
* had he been in contact with violent anti-U.S. Islamists and a virulent Yemeni Imam?
* did he distribute copies of the Quran to people the morning of his bloody attack?
* did he keep screaming “Allah-o-Akbar” as he heartlessly sprayed over a hundred bullets, killing thirteen and injuring some thirty innocent men and women?
Here is the truth, as bitter as it may be. Islam is the culprit. Islam is anything but a religion of peace. Violence is at the very core of Islam. Violence is institutionalized in the Muslim’s holy book, the Quran, in many suras:
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's cause; they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
And the Quran is considered by Muslims as the word-for-word literal edicts of the Muslims’ god, Allah.
Right from the start, violence served as the engine of Islam under the command and supervision of Muhammad himself. For one, the Prophet’s son-in-law cousin, Ali, was titled the Commander of the Faithful for his unsurpassed feats of butchery. Ali with the assistance of one or two of his thugs, beheaded some seven hundred captives, most of them Jews, in only one day. This man, highly esteemed by the prophet of Allah, had a sword that had its own name—Zolfaghar. Ali’s portrait, holding the menacing sword, adorns the homes and shops throughout Shi’a’-lands. And this man, Ali, is revered by the Shi’a at the same level as Muhammad.
On the Sunni side, Muhammad’s co-revered is Umar, another unabashed killer of untold numbers. And of course the choice weapon of these champions of the religion of peace was the sword. And to this day, a sword adorns the flag of the birthplace of the religion of peace, Saudi Arabia.
And Islam, by the nature of its very doctrine, appeals to man’s base nature. It promotes intolerance, hatred, discrimination, and much more:
Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
In reality, Islam is like a deadly contagious disease. Once it invades the mind of its victim, this debilitating disease is capable of transforming him to a helpless pawn that has no choice but to execute what he is directed to do.
Of the reported 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, millions are already trapped in the terminal stages of this affliction while millions of others are rapidly joining them. The people enslaved with the extreme cases of Islamic mental disease are highly infectious. They actively work to transmit the disease to others, while they themselves engage in horrific acts of mayhem and violence to demonstrate their unconditional obedience to the dictates of the Islamic cult of violence.
The savagery and variety of the actions of these Islamic captives are seen daily around the globe. Many of these acts, committed under the banner of Islam, have become so commonplace that the world has come to view them as the normal part and parcel of a troubled humanity. And, from time-to-time, the world is shocked into a passing and momentary realization of the evil deeds these Islamist robots commit and quickly gets over it and does nothing to seriously address this affliction of humanity.
The recent dastardly mass murder at Fort Hood, committed by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan will be forgotten by the public before very long. Life will continue on its deadly course, pushed along in a variety of ways by agents of death, Islamists. Only the families who lost their loved-ones and those who survived the bullets have to live the rest of their lives with incapacitating injuries, in the main, won’t be able to put the episode behind them.
The mass murderer Nidal Malik Hasan did not riddle people with bullets under the pressure of momentary insanity. The insanity, ironically, in a man who was trained to help people with sanity was introduced in him from the moment of birth and from the very early years when he prostrated himself five times daily toward Mecca in expression of total submission to the dogma of hate called Islam.
Islam is a mental retrovirus that has mutated into numerous varieties and degrees of severity, over the past 1400 years. Everyone born in a Muslim family, as well as those who convert to Islam, contract a particular mutation of the Islamic Virus. As is the case with all retroviruses, the Islamic Virus burrows deeply in the person and erupts, from time-to-time with potentially devastating consequences.
The Islamic Virus first divests the person of his most fundamental human attribute. It takes away his right to make decisions himself and absolves him, in return, of any responsibility for his actions rendered in blind obedience to it.
A true Muslim does not and cannot believe in freedom of choice. In the religion of Islam—Submission—everything is up to Allah, as clearly and repeatedly stipulated in the Quran .The Raison d'être for the Muslim is to be an unconditional submissive to the will and dictates of Allah. Everything that a “good” Muslim does is contingent upon the will and decree of Allah, he is indoctrinated to believe.
Humanity is facing a deeply troubling dilemma. On the one hand is the desire of enlightened people whose aim it is to forge a world of diverse people into one universal society ruled by peace and justice for everyone while, on the other hand, Islamists are hell-bent on imposing their stone-age system on everyone. Tellingly, the Muslims themselves are at one another’s throat regarding which of dozens of Islamic sects’ dogma should rule.
For now, Islam is busy with what it did from the time of its birth, fighting the non-Muslims and infighting.
Truth be told: Violence is the animating force of Islam. Islam is a religion born through violence, raised by violence, thrives on violence and dies without violence.
Author's Bio:
Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist residing in the United States of America. Imani is a columnist, literary translator, novelist and an essayist who has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran. He and his family escaped Iran after the radical Islamic revolution.
On the other hand are those who have been fed up with the numberless daily horrific acts that are clearly committed under the banner of Islam throughout the world.
'The world' can take care of itself.
If a nation expects to be diverse and free, it expects what never was and never will be.
On the one hand is the desire of enlightened people whose aim it is to forge a world of diverse people into one universal society ruled by peace and justice for everyone while, on the other hand, Islamists are hell-bent on imposing their stone-age system on everyone. Tellingly, the Muslims themselves are at one another’s throat regarding which of dozens of Islamic sects’ dogma should rule.
Islam is totally incompatible with the concept of "freedom, "tolerance," or "peace."
President Dubya Bush's dopey words ("Religion of Peace") exposed him as a tool, a fraud, and traitor. But funny - he's NOT a Joo. Even funnier - he's been nothing a tool, business partner, and shill for the Saudi Family (pssst - MUSLIM.) Yep, the Iraq War helped....THE Muslim SAUDIS.
Can ANY of you explain WHY you support Islamists over Israel? Isn't that what the animus over Israel comes down to?
IF the Muzzies were to pull off the impossible and over-power the Israelis, do you actually believe Islam would stop expanding their blood-"rights" over the rest of Europe or America once Israel and its Joos are eradicated?
In reality, Islam is like a deadly contagious disease. Once it invades the mind of its victim, this debilitating disease is capable of transforming him to a helpless pawn that has no choice but to execute what he is directed to do.
Sorta like Democrats. Or the Liberal-Left. Or the Joo-Phobics.
Answer the question. I will repeat it as many times as it takes to penetrate your thick skull and empty brain.
And no one will ban me for repeating the quesiton.
If Islam is so evil, why did your joos survive and even thrive in it for 1,300 years, and only now are telling us white folks - and I don't include you in this group - how bad Islam is so we will fight their tribal wars for them.
And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but be not aggressive. Surely Allah loves not the aggressors.
And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, and persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it; so if they fight you there, slay them. Such is the recompense of disbelievers.
But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is only for Allah. But if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
The sacred month for the sacred month, and retaliation in sacred things. Whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and keep your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty.
i'm not an apologist or supporter of either/or. all that the author wrote could be attributed to FANATICS of any religion and that is true throughout the history of the world. mass killings and brutality to both humans and animals in the name of religion is timeless.
I was saying YOU are the biggest blood-sucking pro-Muzzie apologist for mass-murder and insanity at 4um. Of that I realize you are PROUD.
"Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
The equivalent of a photo-op "friendship" painting of some Jews with some Muslims in 1492 means NOTHING today.
The "friendship" of some Indians with some European settlers at Jamestown means NOTHING today.
Hitler welcoming Chamberlain with a smile in 1938 meant NOTHING afterall.
You are nothing but an apologist for a bloody mass-murdering insane cult - ISLAM. What's that make YOU??
AGAviator, you defend THIS:
"Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Now who will step forward here and defend AGAviator?
The equivalent of a photo-op "friendship" painting of some Jews with some Muslims in 1492 means NOTHING today.
Joos have lived continuously in Turkey from 1492 up to the present day, you lying SOS. There was nothing about a "photo-op" about that painting, you lying SOS.
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
That is not an authentic translation of the passage, you lying SOS.
[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
[9:6] If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of GOD, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know.
no, as i said, i'm neither an apologist or defender of Islam or any other religion, but i'm also not going to indict all muslims either. it's the extremists who are the problem.
since you brought this up, i searched "Is Islam a Peaceful Religion" and found the following. a different point of view. sorry about the formatting.
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A LECTURE BY HADRAT MIRZA MASROOR AHMAD, KHALIFATUL MASIH V, SUPREME HEAD OF THE WORLDWIDE AHMADIYYA MUSLIM COMMUNITY DELIVERED AT THE UNIVERSITE D’ABOMEY- C A L AVI COTONOU, BENIN, DURING HIS RECENT M O S T SUCCESSFUL VISIT IN GHANA, BURKINO FASO, BENIN AND NIGERIA.
Dear students and staff members at this university, Assalamu alaikum warahmatullah.
I have been asked to shed some light on Islam as a peaceful religion. In view of the shortage of time, I can only address this subject briefly.
Whenever one wishes to speak about Islam as a religion of peace, the question naturally springs to mind that whereas there are so many religions in the world such as Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., when it comes to finding out whether Islam is a religion of peace, why should Islam be the odd one out? One reason for this is that a few years after the beginning of Islam, anti- Islamic powers began a propaganda that Islam is a religion of extremism and violence and wants to compel others into belief by means of the sword. This, of course, is incorrect. In the beginning, the Muslims of Makkah suffered persecution but they remained silent. Finally, they migrated to Madinah but there too the disbelievers hounded the Muslims and forced upon them a battle to which I will revert later.
The proof against those opponents who allege that Islam was spread by the sword is that although the disbelievers of Makkah raised all sorts of objections, yet history stands witness to the fact that the people of Makkah themselves never complained that the Muslims had used the sword against the disbelievers to compel them to change their faith. Secondly, what has given Islam a bad name is an ugly and awful image of extremism presented, whether knowingly or unwittingly, by some Muslim groups and o rganisations, and these groups unfortunately had personal vested interests.
In order to see a religion’s beauties or its defects, justice requires that you should make its teachings or its holy scripture the anvil by which to judge it, otherwise everyone would accuse every other faith willy-nilly. For instance, the teaching of Christianity, according to the Holy Bible, is: ‘But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.’ (Matthew: 5:39)
But, in Bosnia or Iraq or other countries, America and the other Western powers, resorted or are resorting to aggression. If, however, we say that the Christian teaching is that if anyone raises his head against you, you should use all your might to trample it to death, this would be a grave injustice. In the same way, to find out the true teachings of Islam, we would have to study the Holy Qur’an and see what it says and not base it on the actions of some Muslims who have forgotten the teachings of the Holy Qur’ a n . The stand of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community is that the teaching of the Holy Qur’an promotes peace. We have to take this message to every corner of the world. Therefore, I shall begin my message today by reference to the Holy Qur’an. After that we shall examine the practice of the Holy Prophet Muhammad(sa) to whom the teachings of the Holy Qur’an were revealed. Did he ever support any kind of cruelty, violence or extremist terrorism? Then, based on the Holy Qur’an and the Traditions of the Holy Prophet( s a ), some important clarification has been provided to us by the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community, Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian( a s ), who claimed that he was the Promised Messiah, and I shall refer to some of his writings.
PAGE 2 The Founder of the wo r l dw i d e A h m a d i y ya Muslim C o m mu n i t y, H a d rat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (the P romised Messiah and Mahdi) had a keen interest in religion from a very early age. Over time his k n o w le d ge and understanding of religion and its ap p l i c ation to society deep e n e d . B e i ng a Muslim it was his firm b e l i e f t h at all religions we re tru e and he always sought to uphold the dignity of religion and to d em o n s t rate its re le vance to e ve r yone.
His mission was to re v i t alise the t ruth that all religions held within t h em and to re v ive the teachings of I s lam. It was through this that he would bring mankind together and e s t ablish eve r la s t i ng peace. H a d rat Ahmad( a s ) had establ i s h e d h i m s e l f as a respected writer and had written over 80 books. One of his gre atest schola r ly wo r ks wa s The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam, prepa red as a paper and read out at the Conference of Great Religions in 1896. He al s o w rote a fa s c i n at i ng tre atise in 1899 entitled Jesus in India, a book that uncove red rem a r kable evidence of J e s u s ’( a s ) j o u rney to India.
Pe o p le joining his commu n i t y re flected his success in conve y i ng the truth of I s lam. From 1889 until the time of his demise in 1908 tens of thousands of p e o p le a c c epted him. This ble s s i ng has continued and will continue t h rough his K h a l i f a s (successors). A n y h o w, let us first see what the Holy Qur’an commands us to do in order to establish peace. God Almighty says in the Holy Qur’ a n :
Whosoever killed a person – unless it be for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land – it shall be as if he had killed all mankind. (Al Maidah, Ch.5: v. 33) Explaining this verse, the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community says: ‘ A person who kills a person unfairly or who kills someone who had neither rebelled, nor became a source of violating peace amongst the people nor created disorder in the land, it is as if he has killed the whole of mankind. In other words to kill a person without any cause is, according to God A l m i g h t y, like the murder of the entire human race. It is obvious from this verse, how big a sin it is to take the life of another person without r e a s o n . ’ (L e c t u re Chashma-e-Ma’rifat pp 23-24: C o m m e n t a ry by the Promised Messiah Vol.2: p.405)
Thus, this is the beautiful teaching of Islam that the unlawful killing or the shedding of innocent blood of someone is like the killing of the entire human race, that is to say, the taking of a single life is like the massacre of thousands of innocent lives. Now, everyone can very well imagine what kind of sentence would be passed on someone who is found guilty of the taking of thousands of innocent lives. So this is the beautiful teaching given to us by God Almighty in the Holy Qur’an. Whosoever acts against this, acts against the teachings of Islam. Then, the Holy Founder of the Ahmadiyya community takes us further than this because it was after his true reflection and deliberation and his understanding of Islamic teachings that God Almighty provided him with the guidance. Commenting on this verse, he adds:
PAGE 3 H a d rat Mirza Masroor Ahmad – Khal i fatul Masih V, Head of the wo r l dwide Ahmadiyya M u s l i m c o m mu n i t y. H a d rat Mirza Masroor Ahmad is the gre at grandson of t h e P romised Messiah (peace be upon him). In 1977, he devo t e d his life for Islam and went to Ghana wh e re he held va r i o u s posts including manager of t h e A h m a d i y ya Agr i c u l t u ral Fa rm wh e re he successfu l ly pla n t e d and nurt u red wh e at for the fist time in that country. In 1985, he re t u rned to Pa kistan and held various senior positions in the areas of f i n a n c i al affa i r s, Director of E d u c ation, Principal Dire c t o r and the Exe c u t ive head. In addition, he has held many other high-le vel positions within the commu n i t y.
On 22nd April, 2003, his e lection as Khal i fatul Masih V ( Fifth Successor to the Pro m i s e d Messiah (peace be upon him) was announced. The wo r l dwide Ahmadiyya C o m munity look to their s p i r i t u al leader for guidance and leadership in matters of fa i t h . Since the community wa s e s t ablished over a hundre d years ago, it has establ i s h e d i t s e l f as a community of la w - ab i d i ng citizens who help al l c o m munities in various activ i t i e s and has tru ly made its mark as one that promotes the tru e t e a c h i ngs of I s lam as a re l i g i o n o f p e a c e .
‘He who abandons kindness abandons religion. The Holy Qur’an teaches that whosoever kills a person without justifiable cause will be as if he has killed the whole world. In the same way, I say that if someone is not kind unto his brother, it is like he has been unkind to the whole world.’ (Al Hakm Vol. 9 No.15 dated 30 April 1905 p.2: Commentary by the Promised Messiah, Vol.2: p.405)
Now on this verse, the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community has drawn an interesting conclusion that people think that Islam is an extremist religion but this is a mis-understanding on their part. Islam is saying that even if you are unkind in your treatment with your fellow human being, you are a cause of destroying the peace and harmony of the world. Forget killing anyone, you should always be kind in your dealings with every person in the world and spread the peaceful message of Islam.
Now who will step forward here and defend AGAviator?
As will I.
I am not an apologist for Islam, but neither am I an apologist or propagandist for that Naziesque Political Clique called Zionism (which should probably be called Rothschildism as without Rothschild money backing it, it would have died in its infancy as it was rejected by a majority of Rabbi's of the time).
The crimes and inhumanities of Zionism are every bit as great as those which you would like to ascribe to Islam. Which was the greater evil will come with the judgment of history.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
It was never intended to be a universal guide to all behavior of all people Muslim or not in the 21st Century.
Unfortunately, re-interpreting the Koran is forbidden until an Imam who has led a sinless life once again appears. So they are stuck in the seventh century until that happens.
Guess what the likelihood of that is?
Probably more likely that your mama is a Joo.
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9:6 And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.
9:7 How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.
If you don't say you're on their side, they accuse you of being on their enemies side.
A propaganda/PR ploy.
The reality is that they are scared shitless that too many people will actually look past the PR and examine the facts. The criminality of the Zionist movement is clearly writ for anyone who wishes to actually LOOK.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
#39. To: Liberator, AGAviator, christine, Original_Intent, All (#20)
Who are these guys in the masks?
Who is funding them?
Who owns the newspapers that flaunt these pictures?
Ain el-Helweh, Lebanon: Palestinian children dressed as suicide bombers put fake explosives on a small child after marching in commemoration of the 14th anniversary of the Palestinian militant group, Hamas, in Ain el-Helweh, the largest Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon, on December 9, 2001. The camp is home to more than 40,000 www.nieman.harvard.edu/reportsitem.aspx?id=101318
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
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Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Congratulations. You actually posted a true quote for a change.
Now: Is it that time yet? Have you heard any talking stones? Have you acted in such a way that you would need to hide behind a rock from a Muslim? And can you tell me why as an American that is my problem?
Yes, taxes for protection, and for no other reason. Taxes that Muslims don't have to pay.
Have you paid your protection money lately?
Muslims are obligated to give alms (zakat).
Non-Muslims are obligated to pay taxes instead of giving alms.
Now how did the Muslims tax all those dead infidels they supposedly massacred?
ROTFLAMO!!!!
And since a substantial portion of income taxes goes to the military industrial complex, and a substantial portion of US foreign aid goes to support Israel, I certainly have paid my Israel protection money lately.
Non-Muslims are obligated to pay taxes instead of giving alms. Now how did the Muslims tax all those dead infidels they supposedly massacred?
Ah, see, there are a number of commentaries from the Caliphate discussing that exact point. The trouble is, they went and killed a bunch of infidels and then had no tax revenue, so they had quite a discussion.
Funny how it always comes down to taxes and money somehow, doesn't it? Allah requires your greenbacks.
Now, for the bonus round, what happens if the infidels fail to pay their protection money?
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The nature of dar al-harb, which literally means "territory of war," needs to be explained in a bit more detail.
For one thing, its identification as a region of war is based upon the premise that strife and conflict are necessary consequences of people failing to follow God's will.
In theory, at least, when everyone is consistent in their adherence to the rules set down by God, then peace and harmony will result.
That being said, the continuous internecine strife in Muslim regions between Muslims demonstrates that they too are living in dar-al-harb.
I hope you don't take the Bible as literally as you take the Koran. You will be in another world of hurt. lolol
I use commentaries for the Koran and we have a friendly local Imam who says that Sura 9:5 is "problematic" and explained to me why things are taken the way they are.
"Misunderstanders" of Islam all seem to "misunderstand" it the same way. Why? If you compare the Bible to the Koran you find a glaring difference.
Old Testament: "And God said to some person 'Go thou forth into the promised land and slay the Hittites, rape their women, and do a bunch of other nasty stuff."
Koran: "And do nasty stuff to people"
The difference? The Bible time-limits and directs individuals at certain times in certain places. It is pretty consistent in that. The Koran is open-ended. There are no time limits or places or specific people in many of the verses.
Obviously, some people take that open-endedness a bit too seriously.
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That being said, the continuous internecine strife in Muslim regions between Muslims demonstrates that they too are living in dar-al-harb.
Funny how that happens, isn't it, but they don't consider it 'dar al harb' if it is under Muslim rule.
Now, for the bonus question, what two things are Muslims required to do per their religion before commencing hostilities, what is a 'hudna' and what is the penalty for apostacy in Islam and why is it that way?
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Old Testament: "And God said to some person 'Go thou forth into the promised land and slay the Hittites, rape their women, and do a bunch of other nasty stuff."
Which version is that from?
Just kidding, but seriously, how is that time-limiting?
More importantly, many followers of the Bible justify the nasty doings with these verses. Time-limited or not.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
The same effing thing that would happen to you if you don't pay a parking ticket, I presume.
Actually, what happens is that you become an 'outlaw' in the traditional sense of the word (meaning you are outside the PROTECTION of the law) and the public may do with you as they please.
Rape, murder, assault - you're outside of their protection and they may feel free to have at you as they see fit.
Better pay your protection money promptly if you're under Islamic rule and you don't feel like converting.
Oh, and as a bonus, the Koran and Hadiths encourage the collection of the jizya to be "humiliating" to the unbeliever. Expect the collection to be impolite. Also, don't expect to be able to build a Church with much ease in an Islamic nation. If you pay, you are allowed to seek permission to do so, but they don't make it too easy to get that permission.
Atheists, well, they're pretty much screwed as the Koran limits the niceties to the "people of the book" - meaning Christians and Jews.
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#58. To: mirage, wudidiz, Original_Intent, christine (#55)
Now, for the bonus question, what two things are Muslims required to do per their religion before commencing hostilities, what is a 'hudna' and what is the penalty for apostacy in Islam and why is it that way?
Just kidding, but seriously, how is that time-limiting?
The "time limit" is that the instruction is given to a specific person at a specific time in a specific place.
If I say to you, "Dude, go to the store and pick me up a pack of smokes" do you consider that to be an instruction for one specific time or do you consider it to be an instruction in perpetuity?
People who try to squeeze a lot of those verses into a "for all time" aren't taking the context appropriately. It doesn't stop them from trying to do it, but it gives the rest of us some ammunition to go after them with.
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You would be correct with the penalty for apostacy, except its not limited to the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites as your verses from Deuteronomy would indicate.
How about the rest of it? Care to define a 'hudna' for us?
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Oh, and as a bonus, the Koran and Hadiths encourage the collection of the jizya to be "humiliating" to the unbeliever
Yes, the Jews in Turkey were so ***humiliated*** they became advisers to the Sultan himself, while the Jews in Spain were so ***humiliated*** by the Moors that when the Moors left, the Jews left with them....
Just kidding, but seriously, how is that time-limiting?
The "time limit" is that the instruction is given to a specific person at a specific time in a specific place.
If I say to you, "Dude, go to the store and pick me up a pack of smokes" do you consider that to be an instruction for one specific time or do you consider it to be an instruction in perpetuity?
People who try to squeeze a lot of those verses into a "for all time" aren't taking the context appropriately. It doesn't stop them from trying to do it, but it gives the rest of us some ammunition to go after them with.
Yes, thank you for clarifying.
The problem is that many will take this type of verse found in the OT...
"And God said to some person 'Go thou forth into the promised land and slay the (Hittites), rape their women, and do a bunch of other nasty stuff."
And use it to justify what is happening in Palestine now.
WTH did Liberator go anyway?
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The difference? The Bible time-limits and directs individuals at certain times in certain places. It is pretty consistent in that. The Koran is open-ended. There are no time limits or places or specific people in many of the verses.
Absolute and utter bull$hit.
You can make just as much an argument that the Koran applies to the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th Century as the OT applies to whenever the Hittites and Canaanites existed.
More importantly, today's Jews are still fighting with the descendants of those individuals their deity commanded them to slaughter.
Now for your ****bonus question.***
Are today's Jews still worshipping that same deity?
no, as i said, i'm neither an apologist or defender of Islam or any other religion, but i'm also not going to indict all muslims either. it's the extremists who are the problem.
since you brought this up, i searched "Is Islam a Peaceful Religion" and found the following. a different point of view.
With all due respect Chris, in attempting to appear even-handed, you've succumbed to PC-ism.
This paragraph below is an obvious desperate attempt by a Muslim leader to dispel the disturbing truth of the matter about Islam while blaming "propaganda."
Whenever one wishes to speak about Islam as a religion of peace, the question naturally springs to mind that whereas there are so many religions in the world such as Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., when it comes to finding out whether Islam is a religion of peace, why should Islam be the odd one out? One reason for this is that a few years after the beginning of Islam, anti- Islamic powers began a propaganda that Islam is a religion of extremism and violence and wants to compel others into belief by means of the sword. This, of course, is incorrect.
Ironically the Goebellian speech is given in black Africa - the scene of countless slaughters, decapitations, and dismemberment of tribes - courtesy of the "Religion of Peace," Islam.
Is ANY of what the advocates of the Death Cult Islam to be believed?? It's like buying 0bama or Robert Gibbs blaming "FOX" or "conservatism" for liberal-Left policies.
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
And Father Abraham said:
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will throw his yoke from off your neck."
You are parasites living off of America, and I am on America's side.
YOU are an anti-American pro-Muslim POS liar.
AV, you are on the side of the sick and depraved; You cheer on Muslims who murder innocent blood around the world WHEREVER they infect it.
OI, you may play that game of neutrality with a twist - but no one's buying it.
YOU will always be cheering for Islam to wipe Israel off the face of the earth - just like the other Islamic Death Cultists like your pro-jihadist pal.
American tax dollars did not pay for that beheading, dissembling SOS.
American tax dollars did pay for this one.
Except you pathetic anti-American raghead, American troops do NOT celebrate Death. Innocent death makes them sick. They've taken great care NOT to be careless - considering Muzzies are sniping at Americans from Mosques and behind women and children. Effin cowards that they are.
Your Muslim brethren kill...for kicks. They rampage through African villages slashing off the breasts of defenseless mothers, dismembering men, women and children - ALL in the name of Allah.
Gonna blame the Joos or Americans for that too? Would you like to see more grizzly photos?
9-4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
9-5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
9-6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
9-7. How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.
Like a broken clock you found an exception; With Muslims IT'S THE RULE. And EVERYONE knows it. The bloodier, the better. The more decapitations, the better; And curiously enough, Muslims LOVE killing other Muslims....
About 10% of them are capable of living as normal human beings.
Oh btw...I bought my new car from a Muslim. He was very respectable and a gentlemen. Of course who knows what goes on at home or at his Mosque, or what he thinks of a non-Muslim America.
#106. To: Liberator, mirage, AGAviator, christine, Prefrontal Vortex (#0)
I'm cruising along, reading this tripe, when I saw this:
On the one hand is the desire of enlightened people whose aim it is to forge a world of diverse people into one universal society ruled by peace and justice for everyone while, on the other hand, Islamists are hell-bent on imposing their stone-age system on everyone.
Liberator and mirage: are you down with this One World Paradise that the author speaks of? Both of you are using diversity propaganda as a method of countering Muslim immigration and, to be honest, it makes you come off as even bigger jerks than you already are.
If Islam is so evil, why did your joos survive and even thrive in it for 1,300 years, and only now are telling us white folks - and I don't include you in this group - how bad Islam is so we will fight their tribal wars for them.
Because they forgot. They meant to tell us but they didn't get around to it until the late 1980's/early 1990's. What with having to get the Federal Reserve up and going AND trying to take Palestine away from the locals, their plate was full.
I do my own research and come to my own conclusions.
With all the apologetics for Islam being thrown about, I still can't find an answer for why these "misunderstanders" of the Religion of Peace all seem to "misunderstand" Islam in exactly the same way.
Try as I might, I cannot find an answer to that. Either it is a Religion of Peace and all Muslims are happy little folks frolicking their way through life or there is something about it that creates nutcases who scream "Allah Ackbar" while shooting up military bases in Texas or passing out candy while cheering the World Trade Center coming down.
Most of the conflicts on the planet involve Muslims in one form or another. This is not a disputable statement.
Muslims commit "honor killings" on a seemingly regular basis and in a number of countries, apostacizing from the official religion carries the death penalty.
In Australia, the Lebanese immigrants have been on a tear. Cronulla Beach riots and rapings oh my. For some reason, it wasn't Lebanese Christians out telling women they can't wear bikinis. If you can work that one out so it wasn't Lebanese Muslims (which it was) then let me know.
As for specfically WHY it happens to be that Muslims, and in particlar, Arabized Muslims do this stuff, I haven't got an answer as of yet. Bad culture perhaps? Not being slapped silly as a kid by mommy? Being forced to memorize the Koran by age 5 and not having any other books around? I honestly don't know ... yet.
But I will leave you with a quote.
"There is no fun in Islam." - Ayatollah Khomeini
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Jews say Abraham was a Jew. Neat trick considering Judaism didn't exist in his day.
Well then we have a conflict. Can Abraham be both a Jew and a Muslim at the same time?
Muslims will tell you that the Christians and the Jews have corrupted their scriptures and that's why they are wrong and Abraham was a Muslim.
If you really want to have some fun, did Abraham offer Ishmael or Issac? The Bible says it was Isaac. Islam says it was Ishmael.
For bonus points, the Koran challenges unbelievers to write a Sura just as good as those in the Koran. That challenge is not recommended as those who have done so in the past have met some violence done to their person.
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I'm not defending Islam. I also don't have a fight with Islam. If Muslims in America gain the kind of political and economic clout that Jews have, then I'll probably have a fight with Islam.
I trust you're aware that political Jews always hold the gates open for the invaders while they pretend to be opposed to them? Re: American immigration law and Jewish efforts through the 20th century to keep our immigration laws lax, some things never change.
So where are the Muslims in the American government that are going to foist this all on you?
Watch world events. It seems that when Muslims become a certain percentage of the population, they start demanding Sharia. Given how we here in the West value giving people The Vote, all we have to do is wait.
It will come.
So, I'm going back and re-reading the Koran and Hadiths to work out a bunch of this stuff. You know the drill, answering questions and all that.
It turns out that they can't have a reformation. Long ago they decided that the only people who were fit to interpret the Koran were those who were compatriots of Mohammed and a few other folks who led exceptional lives.
The gotcha is that there hasn't been one of those in about a thousand years.
So, when reading about Islam, you end up with commentaries based on commentaries as the only 'official' commentaries are those from a thousand years ago. Its a failing in the religion; it keeps itself mired in the middle ages as a result.
Then there is the principle of Abrogation. Verses in the Koran are negated by other verses depending on when they were revealed by the Prophet.
There is a gotcha there; the way the Koran is organized, it is not chronological so you need to split out the Meccan and Medinian suras and then look for what would abrogate what. Once you've done that, you can drop out more than half of the Meccan suras.
It is a very confusing religion to say the least.
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2. USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) Commanding Officer, Capt. Herman Shelanski, left, and Michigan Senator Carl Levin (D), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, bow their heads in prayer at the commencement of the Torah dedication ceremony in the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier's hangar bay. The holy Jewish Torah in the background, one of the few scrolls from Lithuania to survive the Holocaust, was presented to Truman by the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater, and will be on loan to Truman and displayed for 41 years, or the duration of the ship's life. The smaller Torah in the foreground, known as the Truman Torah, was presented to President Harry S. Truman by Israel's first President, Chaim Weizmann in gratitude for America's diplomatic recognition of the state of Israel in 1948. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Kristopher Wilson
Wiesel said that shortly before Schneerson died, he had warned Wiesel that it was imperative for the West to engage Islamic religious leaders before Western and Islamic worldviews diverged too far.
This would be wise, but the worldviews diverged quite some time ago.
Understanding the difference between 'Dar al Islam' and 'Dar al Harb' and what it means to Muslims is something both the US and the Israelis need to do. If the two countries truly understood what those two terms meant and how they call for Holy Jihad (and not just regular jihad) then they would know there will be no peace so long as Israel exists.
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It seems that when Muslims become a certain percentage of the population...
And whether you realize or not, the rise in immigration of Muslims to Europe and the US is a direct result of Jewish activism during the 20th century.
Cultural Jews want Muslims to supplant Christianity. The best way to do it is to break America over the heads of the Muslim world. The Muslim world will survive. America won't. At the end of it all, as with every colonial venture, the aggressors (America) will be taken over by the aggressed.
I trust you're aware that political Jews always hold the gates open for the invaders while they pretend to be opposed to them? Re: American immigration law and Jewish efforts through the 20th century to keep our immigration laws lax, some things never change.
This time it appears to be backfiring most magnificently as currently, the Muslims have a score to settle and don't particularly care which Jews they take out their vengeance on.
We can look forward to more Temple, Yeshiva, and Jewish Center bombings and shootings as the Arab Muslim population grows.
We can also look forward to more terror cells and recruiting like the lovely Somalis in Minneapolis just got picked up for.
Yes, that will backfire quite nicely.
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That's pretty cold-blooded. How about just settling for leaving them alone? The Israelis have proven capable of taking care of their own matters.
Just leave them alone and stay out of it entirely. If they can hold the land, they can keep it. If not, perhaps your sentiments will be on the nightly news.
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Is that why the Jews of Iran are leaving in huge numbers?
Iran is an interesting case. The 1979 revolution drove a huge number of them out UNTIL Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa decreeing they were to be protected.
The number of Jews in Iran is much smaller now than before the revolution, is the largest number in any Islamic country, and still numbers less than 25000.
There aren't "huge numbers" of Jews to leave Iran even if all of them packed up and left.
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They will or they won't. Either way, it is not our place to prop them up. If they survive, bully for them. If they don't, then they go down fighting for what they believe in.
In either case, it is not America's problem. Its is Israel's problem and they should be left to handle it themselves as they see fit.
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Then let's get the Israelis out of American government, yes?
Israelis in the American government are why buffoons like the One Worlder author of this thread's original posting are making a living in the first place.
The Palestinians need to take a lesson from Mohammed and call a hudna.
I already used it in a sentence above.
But the sentence does nothing to define the term. You may as well have written:
The Palestinians need to take a lesson from Mohammed and call a taxi.
Let me get this straight.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.
#144. To: mirage, bluegrass, Original_intent, christine (#116)(Edited)
With all the apologetics for Islam being thrown about, I still can't find an answer for why these "misunderstanders" of the Religion of Peace all seem to "misunderstand" Islam in exactly the same way.
Very little of what you have been discussing has to do with Islam.
You mud slingers are attempting to conflate the behavior of a very small group of individuals out of 1.4 billion people into some sort of indictment of Islam, which is basically an Abrahamic religion having little differences between itself and what the Jews have in their Old Testament regarding what to do about adultery, war, unnatural sex acts, witchcraft, etc..
The Koran does not advocate honor killings, female genital mutilation, or suicide. It did advocate having non-Muslim people pay a tax at a time when so- called Christians were burning non-Christians at the stake and putting them on the rack among other niceties.
I repeat. Jews found it to their advantage to live under Islam for 1,300 years, and a Jew or a Jew supporter should be the last to lecture any white person about being a dhimmi, or how there is anything wrong with Islam or its teachings.
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
One cannot not support Islam and be pro-America, yet the converse of supporting both Israel and America IS true.
Remaining "neutral" is virtually impossible; Pick a side. Under whose influence or "neighborhood" would you survive?
Who says I have to pick a side, you? Bullshit. I do not have to pick a damned thing. Fuck the Islamics, fuck the Jews, fuck Israel and fuck the United States government. As far as I'm concerned the greatest threat to the American people is the Republican and Democrat party political machine.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
As far as I'm concerned the greatest threat to the American people is the Republican and Democrat party political machine.
agreed
Thank you. I have no doubt that Liberator does not agree.
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As far as I'm concerned the greatest threat to the American people is the Republican and Democrat party political machine.
agreed
Thank you. I have no doubt that Liberator does not agree.
There are many threats to the American people - both internal and external.
It's easy to discount Islam from the safety of a still extremely light demographic here in America as seen from this map.
The map of America is nearly a decade old - the dark orange comprises 2.2%-10% Muslim populations - enough to start demanding Sharia Law and raising havoc as they've done in certain areas of Europe. When you are unfortunate enough that your county is occupied by that kind of demographic, you'll reassess your respective opinion on "greatest threats."
As an aside, those who live in the American Southwest and Southern California have yet another map of demographics to consider.
Now should some of America become engulfed in GREEN as seen by the international Muslim Fantasy Map of Conquest, unimagined horror will ensue. Europe may have 10-20 years before succumbing to the Muslim hordes who make Attila the Hun seem like Gandhi.
As to who or what is "the greatest threat the the American people (Dems/GOP), let's get real; It's the Elites of the New World Order calling 95% of the shots regarding domestic, economic and international policy - whether it's a (D) or (R) with damn few exceptions.
Who says I have to pick a side, you? Bullshit. I do not have to pick a damned thing. Fuck the Islamics, fuck the Jews, fuck Israel and fuck the United States government.
A) Tell me what you believe are the short-term or long-term consequences should Islam "shove Israel into the sea"?
B) Can you provide ANY solution (beside antipathetic indifference and derision) that helps empower We-The-People?
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence.
Though I agree with some posters philosophies, Some posters will occasionally contribute some bit of wisdom. You? You a delusional cartoon; an off-the-chart f***ing deranged moonbat.
Yet, according to Junior, the GOP/War-Party, and assorted necons, these principles are in no way conflicting with a Constitutionally oriented way of life here in the States.
Which is why Dubya's so-called "WoT" was absolute BS from Day One (aka 9/11.)
The Koran does not advocate honor killings, female genital mutilation, or suicide.
More lies. No, make that more f***ing lies.
Hey - good thing those 72 virgins await suicide bombers who you pretend don't exist, eh?
I repeat. Jews found it to their advantage to live under Islam for 1,300 years, and a Jew or a Jew supporter should be the last to lecture any white person about being a dhimmi, or how there is anything wrong with Islam or its teachings.
Yeah - the Jews must have LOVED dhimmihood - who wouldn't? They loved it about as much as Americans would love it (you being an exception.)
You drive the value down by increasing the supply.
Then put your money where your big mouth is; "Increase the supply" of Muslims by getting on a plane and helping those poor undermanned Jihadists who clearly need your muscle to help shove the Israelis into the sea.
Goes w/o saying. Now, just try to convince the neocons that their hero and fearless God-fearing honest leader was a crock-o-shit.
And good luck!
Even FR's sheep are re-thinking Dubya's "legacy."
Oh wait, but then you're half neocon too, particularly given your penchant for Palin. So how did you come to this astute observation?
Lol - chyeah, RON PAUL is going to change the game. Oh that's right - he punked out of running for Prez, chickened out of running as an Independent and hung you out to dry. NOW WHAT, Genius?
Get onboard the Palin Outside-the Beltway wave and get 90% of what you want, or sulk and give 0bama another four years. GREAT strategery.
Watch world events. It seems that when Muslims become a certain percentage of the population, they start demanding Sharia. Given how we here in the West value giving people The Vote, all we have to do is wait.
It will come.
[Islam] keeps itself mired in the middle ages...
Sharia Law is ALWAYS the goal. If they infect 10-20% of a given population they PUSH for it. And depending how feckless the "leaders" and local population is, they'll succumb.
Even considering the middle-ages is a bit too progressively modern for Islam...
It's been regressive if anything....perhaps it can now be pinpointed to the Cro-Magnon Era.
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence.
Good one.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
Now should some of America become engulfed in GREEN as seen by the international Muslim Fantasy Map of Conquest, unimagined horror will ensue. Europe may have 10-20 years before succumbing to the Muslim hordes who make Attila the Hun seem like Gandhi.
Though I agree with some posters philosophies, Some posters will occasionally contribute some bit of wisdom. You? You a delusional cartoon; an off-the-chart f***ing deranged moonbat.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
Once again Fibrillator, great answer! You can't address the question so it's tangent city!
Typical.
Projection is your greatest asset, Eric Blutarsky. Laughably comparing Pailn to Dubya loses you even more IQ points that you couldn't afford to lose in the first place.
That said, go ahead and take Sarah Palin out of the equation...
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence.
You don't like my idea??
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Oh that's right - he punked out of running for Prez, chickened out of running as an Independent and hung you out to dry. NOW WHAT, Genius?
True or untrue that Paul bailed??
Your solution (or viable candidate) to removing 0bama, Genius.
Oh...and make sure they run on a "kick 40 million Illegal outta the country, and "pull the troops tomorrow" platform, and "disband the Fed," "shrink the gubmint platform."
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence.
Which of those do you deny?
Amerisrael breeds violence.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
I suspect that the debate could continue forever and never be settled.
Whether Islam breeds violence as an intentional meme or not, one thing is certain. A lot of very violent people use Islam to justify their own violent tendencies. Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of passages that they themselves may cite on occasion which back up their own violent tendencies.
I suspect however that any large group of unemployed young men sitting idle in the desert most of their lives, under the reign of despots and tyrants, who cannot find a good purpose in life due to denied opportunity, will turn to the best port in the storm so to speak. In this case, it's Islam. The problem is that being unemployed, poor, hungry, unable to control your fate and generally screwed societally leads most young men to some kind of embrace of violence. Were Christianity the prevalent religion in the middle east, I suspect that the violence levels would be the same, if all other factors were the same.
There were no shortages of recruits for the first few Crusades during the Dark Ages after all, where young European men suffered along the same lines.
Islam as a faith seems rather revolting to me, and it certainly doesn't preach much of a peaceful message. I believe it was Hitler himself who lamented that he had to whip up a mostly Christian society into a war fervor and wished he had Islam to work with instead (I'll need to find that quote, sure I've seen it though).
Dunno. Again, seems like poverty, oppression and young male testosterone is a dangerous combination regardless of the tenants of faith one follows.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
“You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” ~ Hitler
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
Who says I have to pick a side, you? Bullshit. I do not have to pick a damned thing. Fuck the Islamics, fuck the Jews, fuck Israel and fuck the United States government. As far as I'm concerned the greatest threat to the American people is the Republican and Democrat party political machine.
Perfect !
I'm with you. I'm weary of their fuckin names, their snivelin pundits and apologists, and the absence of any integrity in their politics.
Fuck em all !!!
Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.
Go ahead and take Sarah Palin out of the equation...NOW provide a political answer to 0bama.
Eric Stratton: (no answer)
True or untrue that Paul bailed??
Eric Stratton: (no answer)
Your solution (or viable candidate) to removing 0bama, Genius.
Eric Stratton: (no answer)
Oh...and make sure they run on a "kick 40 million Illegal outta the country, and "pull the troops tomorrow" platform, and "disband the Fed," "shrink the gubmint platform." I'll pull that lever. Just FIND 'EM.
Eric Stratton: (no answer)
If not, propose SOMEONE, SOMETHING, Eric-the Blu.
Eric Stratton: (no answer)
Eric Stratton: BROKEN RECORD ALERT!!!
Way to answer the bell! Lol...
You're a catatonic - I get it. If anything changes changes, ping me.
I'd be thrilled if all the Muslims left this country. Likewise, if AIPAC and the Tribe bolted we'd be better off. Liberator, read the synopsis of the material Mearsheimer and Walt put together. Then read the chapter on immigration Kevin MacDonald put together in his "The Culture of Critique." I'm far, far from an intellectual, but this material is a common sense road map to the truth.
Either produce a list of Moroccan, Albanian, Turzhekestan and Ohio Terrorists or go to hell.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Didn't like the way the question was phrased. In fact, why should picking a side be the only choice, when I recall plenty of times in real life simply walking away. I'm walking away from government, and hope to write a song about my experience.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
NO foreign power influence, lobbyists, and dual-citizens should have ANY say-so in what's right for America - never mind SERVE within our government.
Why are We-The-People subservient just because corrupt Elites sell us out to the highest bidder? I want our country back. If allegiance to the Republic and our representative government is violated AND superseded by foreign interests, it's TREASON.
I'm afraid though that now the US is merely the final large piece of portfolio of Global Assets; now a commodity to be bought and sold by the Kissinger puppetmeister Elites.
Thanks fot the link, JT...
Gimme time to peruse it and give you my honest assessment.
(CNN) -- A former U.S. soldier could face the death penalty after being convicted of raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and killing her and her family.
Former U.S. soldier Steven Green has been convicted of raping and killing a 14- year-old Iraqi girl.
Steven Green of Midland, Texas, was found guilty Thursday in U.S. District Court in Paducah, Kentucky, said court spokeswoman Vanessa Armstrong. She said the penalty phase of the trial begins Monday.
Jurors deliberated for more than 10 hours before finding Green guilty of murder, rape, conspiracy and obstruction of justice, according to the court's Web site.
Green, 23, was accused of leading a group of soldiers that committed the crimes in 2006 in the Mahmoudiya area, south of Baghdad.
They killed the girl's father, mother and younger sister before raping and killing her and burning her body.
Last year, then-Pfc. Jesse Spielman received a 110-year sentence in the case for felony murder, conspiracy to commit rape, rape and housebreaking with the intent to commit rape.
Three other soldiers charged in the case received sentences ranging from 27 months to 100 ...
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence.
Which of those do you deny?
Next?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Do you have a point to make, or do we add you to the "Muzzies-are-my-Homies" list?
If Islam = Terrorism, as you insist, how do you account for huge populations of peaceful Muslims?
When was the last time a Turk threatened you?
Are you afraid of Indonesians?
Are Moroccans mocking you?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Well...allright...but YOU have to empty the litter box.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence.
Should you be so inclined, what is your opinion on my statement/observation/position?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
I'd be thrilled if all the Muslims left this country.
Muslims are NOT our problem.
My tagline is.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
And allow me: on 09/12 and for the following 7 years, Bush did not lock down/secure this nation's borders.
1) this, IMO, proves "Homeland Security" & "War on Terror" to be 100% fraud
2) as you point out, illegal immigration/invasion continued unfettered
and, my point, 3) the illegal drug trade continued full speed ahead, unabated-- add to that the Afghan opium crop which is NOW flourishing under US--well, well, well....
Who is making all those $Trillions on otherwise cheap chemicals???? [christine, I know you have previously mentioned the Afghan drug angle, so I ping you]
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
The first pillar of Islam is Belief and Witness - believing and professing the unity of God and the messengership of Muhammad, teaching others about Islam but do not use coersion to convert them.
There are those who choose to distort the scriptures and abuse it, just as in other religions, even in Christianity.
Most of the slaves brought here from Africa were of Muslim faith. They were forbidden to practice their own faith and forced to convert to Christianity. They see Christianity as part of the oppression they suffered under the white man as slaves and early on after they were freed. There are many movements now dedicated to helping them revert back to their ancestral religion - Islam. I've been studying their beliefs this week and the stereotypes are disgustingly misleading. Believe whatever you want to believe. Most of our ancestors came here to escape religious prosecution - they came here to practice their beliefs in peace.
Our nation was founded on freedoms, the freedom of religion included. Get off your high horse. Your religion has done just as much damage as anyone elses.
#208. To: Disgusted, Jethro Tull, christine, Cynicom (#205)
Here is another thing that just slays me. The Muslim psycho fanatic MFers (I'll give you that, JT) will cut your hands off if they catch you with drugs-- but now that we're there--the poppies are blooming again!
And, yet, the American sheeple hear this from the federal media-- the "terrorists" are using drug money to finance their "terrorist" operations.
BEAM ME UP SCOTTIE!!
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
He's working on pissing Goldi off so bad she's threatening to retire his account
I cannot see that from two peas in a pod.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Hitler was a "Christian" like 0bama was a Christian.
Thus spake der Sheckelgrubber.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Godwin's law is so good. It is always the mentally challenged who are the first ones to bring up Hitler, in a discussion.
The "Hitler was a Christian" claim is...insane. I'm not surprised who the one was who brought it up.
Ironically, I once had a heating discussion with a Jewish citizen of Germany circa WWII who INSISTED Hitler was a "Christian"; Ergo he blamed ALL "Christians" for Nazism.
On this very thread someone has posted how Hitler resented a population of Christians as his foil and instead wished they were Muslim.
Was Hitler a Christian? By John Baskette - but the information came from Marty Helgesen in a soc.religion.christian post. The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact, Hitler rejected Christianity.
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)
A reader asks,"Where did the quotes from Hitler's Secret Conversations come from? How do we know that they are accurate?"
Hitler's Secret Conversations is a translation of a document called the "Bormann-Vermerke" or Borrman endorsements. They are a collection of hand written notes made by Martin Bormann who was Hitler's personal secretary during the war. Bormann is known to have been an extraordinarily powerful figure in Nazi Germany and a notorious opponent of Christianity.
There is no real dispute regarding the authenticity of these notes. They are what Borrman wrote. They are published in the original German in Adolf Hitler, Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941-1944. published by Orbis Verlag, Hamburg, Approved Special Edition in 2000.
The quotes are disputed by some because Hitler is often quoted as publically professing to be a Christian. The simplest reconciliation of this seeming contradiction is that Hitler lied to gain the support of the German people, 90% of whom where professing Christians.
What follows is an excerpt from "Inside the Third Reich" by Hitler's chief architect and minister of Armaments, Albert Speer. It illuminates how Hitler "adapted his remarks to his surroundings", thus making himself a friend of the church when it was convenient. It is also another independent witness to Hitler's true feeling regarding Christianity -- it was meek and flabby, Germany would have been better off if Islam had conquered Europe after the battle of Tours, and that Germany had the misfortune of having the wrong religion.
From Inside the Third Reich, Memiors by Albert Speer, Translated from the German by Richard and Clara Winston, Avon Publishers, 1970:
What remains in my memory of social life at Obersalzberg is a curious vacuity. Fortunately, during my first years of imprisonment, while my recollections were still fresh, I noted down a few scraps of conversations which I can now regard as reasonably authentic....
Amid his political associates in Berlin, Hitler made harsh pronouncements against the church, but in the presence of women he adopted a milder tone -- one of the instances where he adapted his remarks to his surroundings.
"The church is certainly necessary for the people. It is a strong and conservative element," he might say at one time or another in this private circle. However, he conceived of the church as an instrument that could be useful to him. "If only Reibi [this was his nickname for Reich Bishop Ludwig Müller] had some kind of stature. But why do they appoint a nobody of an army chaplain? I'd be glad to give him my full support. Think of all he could do with that. Through me the Evangelical [Protestant] Church could become the established church, as in England."
Even after 1942 Hitler went on maintaining that he regarded the church as indispensable in political life. He would be happy, he said in one of those teatime talks at Obersalzberg, if someday a prominent churchman turned up who was suited to lead one of the churches -- or if possible both the Catholic and Protestant churches reunited. He still regretted that Reich Bishop Müller was not the right man to carry out his far-reaching plans. But he sharply condemned the campaign against the church, calling it a crime against the future of the nation. For it was impossible, he said, to replace the church by any "party ideology." Undoubtedly, he continued, the church would learn to adapt to the political goals of National Socialism in the long run, as it had always adapted in the course of history. A new party religion would only bring about a relapse into the mysticism of the Middle Ages. The growing SS myth showed that clearly enough, as did Rosenburg's unreadable Myth of the Twentieth Century.
If in the course of such a monologue Hitler had pronounced a more negative judgment upon the church, Bormann would undoubtedly have taken from his jacket pocket one of the white cards he always carried with him. For he noted down all Hitler's remarks that seemed to him important; and there was hardly anything he wrote down more eagerly than deprecating comments on the church. At the time I assumed that he was gathering material for a biography of Hitler.
Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Goebbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide.
Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eight century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic peoples would have become the heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.
Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japaneses, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to use than Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
The violence by radical Muslims, throughout history is there. That can not be denied.
It IS denied here at this forum or justified.
By the response of the majority of posts defending Islam on this thread, I can't tell whether this forum is actually 'Freedom 4um' OR MajorNadal.org.
So you can't figure out that most here can think for themselves and aren't beholden to your neocon narrative for "benign global hegemony" and a greater Israel?
Thought not.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
You are such a weird person. Don't you have liberty post to save or sumthin?
You are over there trashing this site, over there trashing LP, over at LP kissing up to Goldi. Weirdo.
You want to tear it down- no save it, no trash it... no send money in to rescue it.. So now.. you have to slum it over here while you wait for LP to get back up? Does it bother you at all to pretend that you were not bad mouthing the posters at this site just a few days ago, and making fun of me for posting here.
You have no ethics and no morals- why the heck would anyone listen to you?
The heart of Islam is not the Prophet but the revelations he received. Collectively they are called the Qur’an (“reading” or “reciting”). He received the messages over a period of twenty-three years, with some later messages replacing earlier ones. At first they were striking affirmations of the unity of God and the woe of those who did not heed God’s message. Later messages also addressed the organizational needs and social lives of the Muslim community.
After the hijrah, Muhammad heard the revelations and dictated them to a scribe; many of his companions then memorized them. They are said to have been carefully safeguarded against changes and omissions. Recited, the passages have a lyrical beauty and power that Muslims believe to be unsurpassed; these qualities cannot be translated. The recitation is to be rendered in what is sometimes described as a sad, subdued tone, because the messages concern God’s sadness at the waywardness of the people. Muhammad said, “Weep, therefore, when you recite it.”9 Recitation of the Qur’an is thought to have a healing, soothing effect, but can also bring protection, guidance, and knowledge, according to Islamic tradition. It is critical that one recite the Qur’an only in a purified state, for the words are so powerful that the one who recites it takes on a great responsibility. Ideally, one learns the Qur’an as a child, when memorization is easiest and when the power of the words will help to shape one’s life.
The Qur’an makes frequent mention of figures and stories from Jewish and Christian sacred history, all of which is considered part of the fabric of Islam by Muslims. Islam is the original religion, according to the Qur’an. Submission has existed as long as there have been humans willing to submit. Adam was the first prophet. Abraham was not exclusively a Jew nor a Christian; he was a monotheistic, upright person who had surrendered to Allah. Jesus was a very great prophet.
Muslims believe that the Jewish prophets and Jesus all brought the same messages from God. However, the Qur’an teaches that God’s original messages have been added to and distorted by humans. For instance, Muslims do not accept the idea developed historically in Christianity that Jesus has the authority to pardon or atone for our sins. The belief that this power lies with anyone except God is considered a blasphemous human interpolation into what Muslims understand as the basic and true teachings of all prophets of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition: belief in one God and in our personal moral accountability before God on the Day of Judgment. In the Muslim view, the Qur’an was sent as a final corrective in the continuing monotheistic tradition. Muslims, citing John 14:16, 26 from the Christian New Testament, believe that Jesus prophesied the coming of Muhammad when he promised that the Paraclete (advocate) would come to assist humanity after him.
Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japaneses, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to use than Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
IOW, it was Christianity that Hitler recognized would never yield like monolithic sheep to slaughter.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
And what do you know, there will be no monkey business altering evidence here.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
How is your research on Sarah Palin's Israeli flag coming out?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence.
Oh. And which one would you like to contest?
Remember, I have access to the internet.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
The Koran does not advocate honor killings, female genital mutilation, or suicide.
More lies. No, make that more f***ing lies.
Show me the passages, FibberBator.
Hey - good thing those 72 virgins await suicide bombers who you pretend don't exist, eh?
There's nothing about 72 virgins for suicide bombers either, lying SOS.
You're on a roll.
I repeat. Jews found it to their advantage to live under Islam for 1,300 years, and a Jew or a Jew supporter should be the last to lecture any white person about being a dhimmi
Yeah - the Jews must have LOVED dhimmihood - who wouldn't?
Jews didn't do anything about it for 1,300 years. That's not the behavior of a people who dislike a system. You may have stumbled across what Americans did when they decided they didn't want the King of England taxing them....
I heard a woman speak this year about her conversion to Christianity in Nazi Holland. She escaped the Nazi like 5 times. It is a fascinating story.. she was amazing!!!
She was the voice of the Dutch Snow White. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=FbTJmDFxMOA&feature=related
Her book: http://www.wordofmessiah.org/believers/frieda_roos.htm
Anyway- she turned me on to some interesting stuff about Hitler. :)
You're cracking me up! Seriously - I can't get sucked into all this tonight. I got a paper to write. You kids have fun now. Be ready. LP is going dark sometime this weekend.
Verrry good, children! You both get Gold Jewish Stars
My, gramma what big eyes you have...
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
I see you're a stalker now. That's awesome! I got to head out and get my paper done. Have a great night and stop stalking the stalkers. It can only end badly. rotflmao.
Careful Christine, one more outburst like that and he'll try to pin the Lindbergh baby kidnapping on you.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
I can't tell whether this forum is actually 'Freedom 4um' OR MajorNadal.org
Why are you here?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Well since he doesn't believe in freedom that could mean only one thing...
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Goodness sakes! I think there's a whole lot more of that kind of hoax being perpetuated across the world. His kind are addicted to the attention, just like the wacky reality television actors who will do or say anything to get noticed.
"Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions." ~~Joseph A. Labadie
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
"Yes, it's not true--but in my imagination it was true--so it is true"
or something like that?!?
What the hell?!?
On a side note, it's not nice to fool Mother Oprah Nature.
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I had NO idea there were as many pro-Muslim crackpots like you infecting this forum.
The door is a mouse click away.
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I do agree that not all Muslims are violent- BUT there are so many of them who commit violence in the name of their religion.
That is a historic fact. They have not just committed violence against Americans- their violence has been going on since the beginning of time, just about.
I am actually interested in WHY that is so. I have a very nice lady friend who is very loving, kind, generous and friendly and would not to hurt anyone- and she is Muslim.
I am not sure how to make sense of it- but it is ture that Muslims have commited many acts of violence.
Islam is a religion born through violence, raised by violence, thrives on violence and dies without violence.
Allah (God) is the focus in Islam, the sole authority, not Muhammad. But Muhammad’s life story is important to Muslims, for his character is considered a model of the teachings in the Qur’an. The stories of Muhammad’s life and his sayings are preserved in a vast, not fully authenticated literature called the Hadith, which reports on the Prophet’s Sunnah (sayings and actions). When he was a teenager, on a trip to Syria with his uncle, Muhammad was noticed by a Christian monk who identified marks on his body indicating his status as a prophet. As a young man, Muhammad managed caravans for a beautiful, intelligent, and wealthy woman named Khadijah. When she was forty and Muhammad was twenty-five, she offered to marry him. Khadijah became Muhammad’s strongest supporter during the difficult and discouraging years of his early mission. With Khadijah’s understanding of his spiritual propensities, Muhammad began to spend periods of time in solitary retreat. These retreats were not uncommon in his lineage. They were opportunities for contemplation, away from the world. When Muhammad was forty years old, he made a spiritual retreat during the month called Ramadan. An angel in human-like form, Gabriel, reportedly came to him and insisted that he recite. Three times Muhammad demurred that he could not, for he was unlettered, and three times the angel forcefully commanded him. In desperation, Muhammad at last cried out, “What shall I recite?” and the angel began dictating the first words of what became the Qur’an: Proclaim! (or Recite!) In the name Of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created— Created man, out of A (mere) clot Of congealed blood: Proclaim! And thy Lord Is Most Bountiful,— He Who taught (The use of) the Pen,— Taught man that Which he knew not.1
Devout Muslims feel that Islam encompasses all religions. Islam honors all prophets as messengers from the one God: Say ye: We believe In God, and the revelation Given to us, and to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob, And the Tribes, and that given To Moses and Jesus, and that given To (all) Prophets from their Lord: We make no difference Between one and another of them: And we bow to God in surrender.15
I do agree that not all Muslims are violent- BUT there are so many of them who commit violence in the name of their religion.
Which was fine when al Queda was fighting the Russians, right? :)
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Didn't like the way the question was phrased. In fact, why should picking a side be the only choice, when I recall plenty of times in real life simply walking away. I'm walking away from government, and hope to write a song about my experience.
You already know this isn't a sex channel wherein you can get jollies off based upon your own methods of self-stroking.
So, you have a few valid points about self.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Right- this sam person just shows up out of the blue calling me names- each time for posting to you.
Uh huh..
It is a good thing that Liberator was not the only one who saw all of those links about who you are, before they were pulled.
Many people now know where to look when stuff starts looking all kinds of kooky at the the forums where you visit. If something odd is happening with sock puppets or threats- look at Mel_Living. She has a track record a mile long at all of the FR spin offs. Also at other sites. BUT every single one of the FR spin offs you will find her name associated with monkey business.
Sock puppets, threats of violence, threats of sites closing down.. all these things follow you around.
People can google you and see the nonsense you cause at the sites where you go. You are very good at it, but now even more people are on to your games. :)
You are tied together with a sock puppet or two or three at every site you post you on, and bragging about how many servers you have, and the ways you like to follow people and research them- and the ways you have of causing trouble..
It is all on google.
me? You can not find one sock puppet, not one threat of violence, not me bad mouthing one site host. Sorry mel- you are the royal game player.
I had NO idea there were as many pro-Muslim crackpots like you infecting this forum.
I'm not really pro-Muslim, per se but you infer that from my being anti- Israel/Zionist. I do prefer the former to the latter.
There isn't a lot of Muslim representation in my tagline.
Speaking of which: what do you think of my tagline? Are the entities, groups, organizations therein good for America and Americans? Do they operate and function for the positive interests of America and Americans?
What do you think?
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Which was fine when al Queda was fighting the Russians, right?
God was on their side then.
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Devout Muslims feel that Islam encompasses all religions. Islam honors all prophets as messengers from the one God
Thank you for reminding us of that. Jews in Iran refused bribes from the Israeli government to emigrate. They said they were perfectly happy living in Iran and that the Iranians were nice to them and that it was Zionists that caused trouble not Iranians. When President Ahmadinejad was interviewed by Mike Wallace he said that Jesus was a respected prophet by Muslims.
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This site is not a single-minded entity, it simply allows opinions that have been banned everywhere else.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
"In 1948, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel."
I need to research my prior taglines.
Are you pro-Israel?
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There's religious nuts in every religion. Muslims got it bad right now because of 911 and other terrorist attacks that were attributed to people of the Muslim faith. The Government isn't always honest - sometimes they tell us what they think we want to hear or what will place the blame on others.
The quotes I posted came from Living Religions by Mary Pat Fisher.
I'm not against anyone of any faith - I'm against those who wish to do evil against others regardless of their professed faith. Those radical Muslims are not obeying the words of the Qur'an which were given directly from God to Muhammad.
Ah- ok.. and yes I am, I am pro democracy, and I feel that it is right to support Israel because of where they are located- for strategic effect.. and I also make it a habit to not be anti- anything.. Other than anti-liberal. :)
So.. ok. Well thank you for your time and for being honest. Enjoy your forum and thanks for letting me post here a little bit.
This isn't wbales forum and there's no need to be snippy! :)
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
If Israel and America went to war, whose side would you be on, betsy ross?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Enjoy your forum and thanks for letting me post here a little bit.
It is entirely my pleasure to have allowed you that honor.
Hush, Dak.
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In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
By the number of posts in rabid defense of Islam, take a closer look and tell me what you see. Blame THEM for using the forum for their own agenda.
Aren't you the one who slithered over here for the sole purpose of stirring up the shit regarding the issue of Islam?
Didn't you send out four posts baiting 4um members to your thread for the sole purpose of insulting, slinging crap and pushing your own personal irrational agenda regarding Islam?
Yes, that is what you did and what you are doing. Don't pull this blame THEM crap for your own actions.
Commonly mistranslated as “holy war,” it means “striving.” The Greater Jihad, Muhammad is reported to have said, is the struggle against the lower self. It is the internal fight between wrong and right, error and truth, selfishness and selflessness, hardness of heart and all-embracing love. This inner struggle to maintain peaceful equilibrium is then reflected in outer attempts to keep society in a state of harmonious order, as the earthly manifestation of Divine Justice.
On the external level, the Lesser Jihad is exerting effort to protect the Way of God against the forces of evil. This jihad is the safeguarding of one’s life, faith, livelihood, honor, and the integrity of the Muslim community. The Prophet Muhammad reportedly said that “the preferred jihad is a truth spoken in the presence of a tyrant.”32
Jihad is not to be undertaken for personal gain. The Qur’anic revelations that apparently date from the Medina period when the faithful were being attacked by Meccans make it clear that
To those against whom (They are) those who have War is made, permission Been expelled from their homes Is given (to fight), because In defiance of right, They are wronged;—and verily, (For no cause) except God is Most Powerful That they say, “Our Lord For their aid; Is God.”33
The Qur’an gives permission to fight back under such circumstances, but also gives detailed limitations on the conduct of war and the treatment of captives, to prevent atrocities.
Yeah, he tried--but as we say down in the south here, he got a good ole fashioned cyber ass whoopin.
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I suspect however that any large group of unemployed young men sitting idle in the desert most of their lives, under the reign of despots and tyrants, who cannot find a good purpose in life due to denied opportunity, will turn to the best port in the storm so to speak. In this case, it's Islam.
Actually the most notorious jihadists, including the key leaders of the 911 hijackings, were upper middle class and well-educated.
I am pro democracy, and I feel that it is right to support Israel because of where they are located- for strategic effect.
How's that democracy thingie working for you what with government at the state and federal levels ignoring the people's wishes at every turn?
Israel has no oil. Israel has no ME neighboring friends, who have oil. Zionists despise Christians who comprise 75% of America. Wouldn't it be more in America's interests - if we had to pick a ME ally - to pick a country that had oil and one that did not despise Christians?
I am not sure how to make sense of it- but it is ture that Muslims have commited many acts of violence.
Muslims are just a little bit noisier about any violence they commit than Westerners.
If you look at the deaths though wars and political upheavals over the last 150 years, the West is so far ahead of anything done by all the Muslim world put together it's not even close.
Furthermore, one reason Islam is demographically threatening the West including Europe is precisely because so many Westerners have killed themselves off through war and political turmoil, with another hundreds of millions killed off by abortion.
Last but not least, terrorism is properly classified as murder. I posted the top 100 countries in the world with high murder rates on elPee and there were not even any Muslim countries in the top 25. So in the grand scheme of things all the terrorist actions everywhere every day are not even come close to the other crimes of violence that happen everywhere every day on the planet.
I posted the top 100 countries in the world with high murder rates on elPee and there were not even any Muslim countries in the top 25. i'd like to see that. where was the USA? do you remember?
Actually, there is one, Kyzyrgistan, which ranks 13.
I posted the top 100 countries in the world with high murder rates on elPee and there were not even any Muslim countries in the top 25. i'd like to see that. where was the USA? do you remember?
Honduras #1. i would have never guessed that. a lot of African and South American countries in the top 25.
I believe South Africa and possibly Brazil are now surpassing Honduras.
Also note all the ex-communist countries in the top 25: Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Kazakhstan, Krygistan, Yugoslavia.....
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Jihad Commonly mistranslated as “holy war,” it means “striving.” The Greater Jihad, Muhammad is reported to have said, is the struggle against the lower self. It is the internal fight between wrong and right, error and truth, selfishness and selflessness, hardness of heart and all-embracing love. This inner struggle to maintain peaceful equilibrium is then reflected in outer attempts to keep society in a state of harmonious order, as the earthly manifestation of Divine Justice.
Jihad Commonly mistranslated as “holy war,” it means “striving.” The Greater Jihad, Muhammad is reported to have said, is the struggle against the lower self. It is the internal fight between wrong and right, error and truth, selfishness and selflessness, hardness of heart and all-embracing love
I'm not going to go to the other extreme and claim that Islam is solely and exclusively about some metaphysical concepts and never any martial activities.
Muslims are clearly enjoined by the Koran to fight under certain conditions, and one passage even says that they may not like to fight, but they also might not like things that are [spiritually, I presume] good for them.
The points I make are
(1) The West has historically been every bit as violent as Islam, and even more so after the Industrial Revolution, (2) There is little in the Koran that is not a "me, too" repetition of various pronouncements in the Old Testament, (3) For its time the jizya or tax on non-Muslims - while allowing them to practice their own religions relatively peacefully - was far superior to the tortures and capital punishments for heresy and apostasy that were regularly infliced by countries of the West, and (4) Jews and Jew supporters are the last people who should be lecturing Westerners about being dhimmis or Muslim subjects because the Jews were quite content to be Muslim subjects for more than 1,300 years.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Don't know anything about Zionists. It's not one of the topics in my current class. I'll do some research - but not through Google. I prefer the university Library.
If our self-appointed expert knew anything about Islam, he would know what the term means. Obviously, for whatever reason, our resident brainiac who knows everything about everything is withholding information for whatever reason.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
You mud slingers are attempting to conflate the behavior of a very small group of individuals out of 1.4 billion people into some sort of indictment of Islam
Current estimates are that about 10-25% of all Muslims are of the Wahabbi school which DOES teach violence and terrorism and DOES claim that is part of Islam.
Care to guess which MUSLIM nation funds Wahabbi schools and Mosques?
It isn't just Sunni and Shia. There are multiple schools in Islam. Most of what you are quoting is Sunni Islam. There is more to it than you are letting on.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
Don't know anything about Zionists. It's not one of the topics in my current class. I'll do some research - but not through Google. I prefer the university Library.
Can there be such a person that exists that knows nothing about Zionism????
had you ANY idea of the number of Muslim sympathizers and America-haters at this forum?
You cling to an illusion that hasn't been worth "loving" for 100 years. America has changed for the worse because analists like yourself promote the agenda of the globalists in your ignorance and smugness.
America, in its current form deserves the hate it receives and then some.
Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.
Hmm.. sure christine. i guess i am just a little confused because you allowed mel to be here to stir up shit against me.. and allow this sam person to call me every name in the book and to talk about someone killing liberator... But i can't talk about the real stalking and real harassment? Ok.
If Mel_living~ and her games are protected here, and all of her screen names, are protected posters here than that tells me everything about this forum that I need to know.
And again, I wish you much happiness with your forum, but it isn't someplace that I am comfortable posting.
Thank you for your time. Please close my account. Thank you.
Dang...you opused and left...should you return to peruse this thread, a question for you to ponder (even if you don't answer, think about it):
Within your knowledge, are there any Israeli laws, programs, policies, procedures,ect... which could reasonably lead an individual to say that Israel is not a democracy?
Any ideas or knowledge in this area?
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Can there be such a person that exists that knows nothing about Zionism????
And while this person has made several posts on this thread concerning Islam, the Koran and touched on Middle East geo-political hostilities. Further, this person apparently has a long posting history on political forums.
"Don't know anything about Zionists", eh?
Might as well say, "Israel...what's that?"
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There isn't a lot of Muslim representation in my tagline.
Speaking of which: what do you think of my tagline? Are the entities, groups, organizations therein good for America and Americans? Do they operate and function for the positive interests of America and Americans?
What do you think?
In an attempt to discuss the merits and substance of the issue at hand, I posed the query above to Liberator and now do the same with you.
Again, you need not answer but do give it some thought, if possible.
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I had NO idea there were as many pro-Muslim crackpots like you infecting this forum.
I think you have the wrong take on it. They aren't so much pro-Muslim as they are anti-Jew. They will side with anybody that hates Jews because they are stuck in the mental rut that blames all Jews for everything that has ever gone wrong.
Which is really ironic,when you stop and think about it. After all,without Jews to hate they wouldn't have any reason to get out of bed in the morning,or even to live.
It really wouldn't be an exaggeration to say they are parasites that are dependent on Jews to live their daily lives.
Like many others,he thinks it is justified to tell any lie necessary to push Jewish victimhood because many of them were murdered by the Nazi's.
I have no problem with their claims that Jews were picked out to be murdered and WERE murdered by the Nazi's. Anybody who claims this didn't happen is either a damn fool or a damn liar.
My objection is that the whole focus is put on the Jews,and not a word is mentioned about the Gypsies,Slavs,homosexuals,petty criminals,and even normal Germans that the Nazi's also murdered. I heard about the Holocaust and the murder of the Jews from the time I was a little boy in the 50's,but it wasn't until I was a adult and out of school before I learned about all the others the Nazi's murdered.
Hell,the Nazi's even murdered German children that were born with birth defects or mental problems.
The historical REALITY is there was nothing special about the treatment the Jews got in Nazi Germany or occupied countries. Yes,they were picked out to be murdered,but they were just one group and fewer of them were murdered in both number AND percentage than some other groups.
Actually the most notorious jihadists, including the key leaders of the 911 hijackings, were upper middle class and well-educated.
The same thing can be said about the communists that were born in the US. Yeah,there are some poor commies,but every one of the leaders comes from a wealthy background of privilege.
Where are all the Christians carrying signs calling for Muslims to be beheaded if they don't convert to Christianity?
The Christians post their fantasies of nuking the black rock at Mecca on websites.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) estimates that the annual worldwide total of honor-killing victims may be as high as 5,000.[1]
Try harder.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
I guess that means if they are Muslim countries,it doesn't count,huh?
A "Muslim country" is defined either as a country ruled by sharia, or at least acknowledging Islam as its official religion, capisce
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Current estimates are that about 10-25% of all Muslims are of the Wahabbi school which DOES teach violence and terrorism and DOES claim that is part of Islam.
Estimates by whom? Estimates by jewish propagandists don't count.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Care to guess which MUSLIM nation funds Wahabbi schools and Mosques?
Care to guess why the biggest Wahabbi nation has never its billions of dollars of American military hardware against either the United States or Israel - if they are so violent and terroristic?
Care to guess why American businesses do billiions of dollars of trade with that Wahhabi nation if they are so violent and terroristic?
Even among madrassa graduates, what percentage of them actually ends up doing terrorist activities.
OMG! The eevil terrorist Muslims are funding schools and making non-Muslims pay taxes!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Think MAYBE the fact that things like "Honor Killings" are not considered to be murder may have something to do with that?
No.
I'm not surprised by your answer and spin. Your whole life revolves around making excuses for and covering for Islam. You will tell any lie you have to tell and stretch any fact you have to stretch in order to do this.
Where are the Christian countries who have an official policy calling for the total destruction of another country and people?
Where are the Muslim countries saying that?
Post the policy/policies verbatim.
The policies of the Muslim countries have to do with making the Jewish state give back the land it has acquired unjustly and by force.
You naturally will have a problem with that if the people taking the land unjustly and by force happen to be joos.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
I'm not surprised by your answer and spin. Your whole life revolves around making excuses for and covering for Islam. You will tell any lie you have to tell and stretch any fact you have to stretch in order to do this.
Per my link the United Nations estimates there only 5,000 honor killings worldwide every year by all people everywhere Muslims or not.
That is not a drop in the bucket compared to the murders.
So after being soundly rebutted on the facts, you turn to name calling, like the dumb$hit you are.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Where are all the Muslim air forces and marines that are murdering Christian innocents with hitech weaponry?
What a lame-ass answer!
Actually that's a pretty good answer.
Christians are too chickenshit to do their dirty work up close and personal, so they will spend trillions of tax dollars to do their deeds until this country runs out of money, which is exactly where we are headed.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
A "Muslim country" is defined either as a country ruled by sharia, or at least acknowledging Islam as its official religion, capisce
Yes,you are spinning and making excuses again.
According to your turd flingers the big reason Islam is incompatible with the West is because Islam wants to the government to be ruled by the Koran.
Now you want to claim that even a country that hasn't gotten to first base in that process is still an Islamic country.
Lame, lame, lame.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Yeah,some do,but there are fewer of them than there are Muslims who post stuff like "Death to America and death to the ifidels!" on Islamic web sites.
Show me an Islamic website that has "death to America" posts.
I can show you at least two that have "Nuke Mecca" with far more posters.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Care to guess why the biggest Wahabbi nation has never its billions of dollars of American military hardware against either the United States or Israel - if they are so violent and terroristic?
Only because they can't get the Filipinos they hire to do all their work for them to do the fighting.
What are the Muslim propandists supposed to be estimating?
The number of people they have in their groups?
LOLOL!!!!!
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
because they can't get the Filipinos they hire to do all their work for them to do the fighting
So Filipinos are in the Saudi armed forces?
You are quickly becoming irrelevant...
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) estimates that the annual worldwide total of honor-killing victims may be as high as 5,000.[1]
Yeah,cause all these killings that aren't even considered to be murders and that are ignored by the authorities are reported directly to the UN,huh?
Do you know the meaning of ***estimate*** dum bass?
If they were reported by the authorities, they would be **statistics.****
God it is fun smacking you around. But I do have some work to do today before the storms come in next week.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
American Indians didn't use their Air Force or Marines to attack America
Yeah, and they didn't give out 20 Medals of Honor for slaughtering 300-some unarmed men, women, and children either.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Show me an Islamic website that has "death to America" posts.
Why bother,when all you are doing is trying to cloud the truth and shut down questions by demanding links. You KNOW these web sites exist because like everybody else you have seen reports of their posts on the news and on television.
You also know the posts on these web sites aren't in English.
reports of their posts on the news and on television.
You also know the posts on these web sites aren't in English.
Then you are acquiring your information second hand from propagandists.
QED.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
No,but Filipinos and other foreigners are hired to do all the real work in Saudi Arabia.
The army there is a freaking joke. They couldn't beat the Alabama National Guard. They are led by members of the Royal Family,and would don their Nike Felony Fliers and run like the cowardly punk SOB's they are at the first shot.
No,but Filipinos and other foreigners are hired to do all the real work in Saudi Arabia.
The army there is a freaking joke
But I thought that ***eevil Wahhabi Mooslims*** are suicide bombers. They would not care if they got killed or not.
But bottom line, is you are now saying they are not a threat. For whatever reason(s).
Thanks for rebutting yourself. I couldn't have done it better.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) estimates that the annual worldwide total of honor-killing victims may be as high as 5,000.[1]
Do you know the meaning of ***estimate*** dum bass?
Yes,goat humper. It means "This is a wild-eyed guess,and we pulled the numbers out of our asses after giving it careful political considerations".
In this case it even means "these figures came from western,civilized countries,because the goat-humpers in Islamic countries don't think they are crimes and don't report them.
Here is a riddle for you,batman. "If a Muslim woman is murdered in the street in a Muslim country and it isn't reported to the UN,did she really die or not?"
It must suck being on the losing end of a debate. It's an unfamiliar situtation for me, so thank you for providing the example of how to be an ungracious loser so that your fellow troglodytes can learn from your pain.
Yes,goat humper. It means "This is a wild-eyed guess,and we pulled the numbers out of our asses after giving it careful political considerations".
Wrong, joo humper. Any bureaucracy seeks to increase its influence by inflating statistics that will make the need for it seem greater.
Once again, you are rebutted on facts, so you resort to arm waving and name calling.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Yeah, and they didn't give out 20 Medals of Honor for slaughtering 300-some unarmed men, women, and children either.
When did this happen,Ahab?
1890, squaw.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
But I thought that ***eevil Wahhabi Mooslims*** are suicide bombers. They would not care if they got killed or not.
They are. Not all of them,though. You never see or hear of any of the religious or ruling class members doing this. Only the retards,and there is a never-ending supply of retards in Muslim nations due to the inbreeding.
But bottom line, is you are now saying they are not a threat. For whatever reason(s).
Suicide bombers ARE a real threat because they are typical Muslim cowards who are afraid to meet anybody in open battle,but choose to blow themselves up in a painless death that they are stupid enough to believe will earn them a place in Heaven.
BTW,how come YOU have never strapped some C-4 to your chest? Not a true- believer?
This dumbshit claims to have been in the Army, and doesn't even know the history of its Medal of Honor winners.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
This dumbshit claims to have been in the Army, and doesn't even know the history of its Medal of Honor winners.
They don't teach that in the ISRAELI Army.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
BUT...BUT...BUT...BUT,I thought you were the one on here loudly proclaiming that the Jews and the A-Rabs are the same critter?
Now humping a Semitic woman is suddenly unacceptable?
I guess you are one of the people that think Semite women are too ugly to hump,so you make them wear face masks in public and prefer to hump goats and little boys instead?
But I thought that ***eevil Wahhabi Mooslims*** are suicide bombers. They would not care if they got killed or not.
They are. Not all of them,though.
How many of them are, how many are not, and compared to the murders that take place day in and day out how much of a problem are they really to anyone but you screamy Heebies?
Suicide bombers ARE a real threat because they are typical Muslim cowards who are afraid to meet anybody in open battle,
That explains why the American forces hunker down in fortifications surrounded by blast-resistant walls and triple concertina wire, don't go almost anywhere without being in armored vehicles which unfortunately Abdul has learned to blow to smithereens with shaped charges, and require air cover loitering overhead which these days are pilotless drones without even an airman to capture if they get shot down.
And the Muslims are cowards afraid to go one on one?
BWAHAHAHAHHAA!!!!
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Now humping a Semitic woman is suddenly unacceptable?
Since I am neither a joo or an Arab, I am free to make that statement if I so choose.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Dual-citizenship should be disallowed for those serving in Government.
Let's not stop at just the Israelis. Sweep everyone with dual citizenship out.
Hear! Hear! You guys are more purist than I am. I've always called for no dual citizens to be allowed to serve in Congress, the WH, the Cabinet, or in policy level positions. I think it's shameful that politicians and policy level consultants, with hyphenated citizenship [ ie. dual allegiance], vote on and develop foreign policies, trade policies, aid policies affecting our nation. How can nation-prejudice or nation-favoritism not be in play when these dual citizens cast votes or draw up policy?
Egypt, Lybia, Moroccco, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, the United Arab Emirates, Pakistan, Kuwait and many other Muslim countries in the Middle East all have air forces, and most of them have navies.
None have attacked the United States.
I'm not going to ask you if you are that stupid to make your statement.
"Muslims didn't use their Air Force or Marines to attack America...they don't HAVE a Air Force or Marines that are capable of attacking America head on...If they did, they would."
You really, truly are.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Had to go back 119 years to find that example, yet you had it on hand instantly
We just celebrated Thanksgiving, squaw. A little sidebar on what we Americans have to be thankful for.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Guess what,Buckwheat? I was in the US Army,and I do know the history of the MoH
So why'd you ask me the question, Rutabaga?
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
How many of them are, how many are not, and compared to the murders that take place day in and day out how much of a problem are they really to anyone but you screamy Heebies?
OOOOH! You said Heebies! Careful,or you will blow your cover!
That explains why the American forces hunker down in fortifications surrounded by blast-resistant walls and triple concertina wire, don't go almost anywhere without being in armored vehicles
That's right. It's hard to defend yourself against cowards that fight like sneak thief's.
I remember seeing all the ads in Shotgun News years ago that were selling Egyptian army rifles that said "Never fired,and only dropped once!"
Here's a secret: debates are easier when you know what you're talking about. You should try it sometime.
Sez the idiot that claims Muslims have some sort of moral superiority because they don't use their non-existant or incapable Air Forces or Marines to attack us in America?
I chose to leave public school in ninth grade. It was interfering with my education, an education I pursued on my own at a few university libraries.
History is far too important to be left to teachers to impart. Public education is why you're surrounded by a sea of stupid. I bet you still believe in many fairy tales that your teachers believed in too.
That explains why the American forces hunker down in fortifications surrounded by blast-resistant walls and triple concertina wire, don't go almost anywhere without being in armored vehicles
That's right. It's hard to defend yourself against cowards that fight like sneak thief's.
Boo hoo. The cowards are the people hiding behind the walls, fences, armored vehicles, and aircraft.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
You guys have fun (and it appears you are) with Pete.
I remain overwhelmed by his in-depth analysis and comprehensive commentary on substance and merits exemplified by that above and shall no longer acknowledge his existence.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
After all, no Muslim would ever lie to a infidel,right?
Since I'm not one, you'll have to ask one.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Egypt, Lybia, Moroccco, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, the United Arab Emirates, Pakistan, Kuwait and many other Muslim countries in the Middle East all have air forces, and most of them have navies.
LOL!
I guess now you are going to lie to us all and claim those air forces and navies are capable of and competent enough to attack the US?
None of their aircraft have enough range to get here,and they won't attack our forces in the middle east because they know they will get shot down the minute they try. As for their Navies,the USCG could defeat them all in a afternoon,never mind the US Navy. Assuming of course that their patrol boats didn't sink trying to cross the ocean or that they didn't get lost and attack Argentina instead.
The cowards are the people hiding behind the walls, fences, armored vehicles, and aircraft.
You have it all wrong, AGA. They're HEROES, for the love of God. The cowards are the ones that are defending their families and homes from foreign occupation.
Didn't you get the memo? Whenever the American military is invoked, we have to throw the word "hero" somewhere.
I remain overwhelmed by his in-depth analysis and comprehensive commentary on substance and merits exemplified by that above and shall no longer acknowledge his existence
You mean you'e not going to wait for his rigorous defective work finding out exactly why his heroine Sarah Palin happens to have a joo flag prominently displayed in her office after ridiculing you for stating that she does?
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
I remain overwhelmed by his in-depth analysis and comprehensive commentary on substance and merits exemplified by that above and shall no longer acknowledge his existence.
His depth of knowledge on a wide range of topics has us all a little cowed. You're wise to retreat from his withering analysis.
I guess now you are going to lie to us all and claim those air forces and navies are capable of and competent enough to attack the US?
None of their aircraft have enough range to get here,and they won't attack our forces in the middle east because they know they will get shot down the minute they try
According to your blather, they're supposed to be suiciders looking for an easy ticket to Paradise, dum bass.
If they were suiciders they wouldn't care if they met a quick end. The easier and quicker the better.
Thanks again for rebutting yourself. I couldn't have done it better myself.
Thus endeth today's lessons.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
You mean you'e not going to wait for his rigorous defective work finding out exactly why his heroine Sarah Palin happens to have a joo flag prominently displayed in her office after ridiculing you for stating that she does?
lolol
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Boo hoo. The cowards are the people hiding behind the walls, fences, armored vehicles, and aircraft.
No. The cowards are the ones hiding in the Mosques and sending out the retards to do their dying for them. Fighting women and children is where they excel.
That doesn't prove you have the ability to reason.
That I chose to leave public school in ninth grade because I knew what BS it was is proof positive of the ability to reason.
You have yet to show me one instance of an ability to reason on your part, unless you consider the ability to trash-talk and spew out predigested thoughts from the mass media as 'reasoning'.
SP, what is it about this version of America 2.0 that makes you so proud?
Damn little,but it used to be one hell of a good country at one time,and there are still a few traces of that greatness left. We should encourage that,not knock it.
I remain overwhelmed by his in-depth analysis and comprehensive commentary on substance and merits exemplified by that above and shall no longer acknowledge his existence.
I know. It was obvious. Your confession wasn't necessary,but it is appreciated.
You better go look under your bed. There may be a Jew hiding there.
Gollleee, you're jes' so witty misster - just keep them stingers cummin'. I is jes' laffin' my glootiemaxeemus off.
You're a ryeut.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Damn little,but it used to be one hell of a good country at one time,and there are still a few traces of that greatness left. We should encourage that,not knock it.
You have yet to show me one instance of an ability to reason on your part, unless you consider the ability to trash-talk and spew out predigested thoughts from the mass media as 'reasoning'.
That is your opinion and welcome to it. We all have that.
However DONT bring the endless obscene name calling here. All of us have seen quite enough of that in our lives.
If you look on any discussion board you choose, it is impossible for an Israel apologist and/or WOT supporter to remain civil and factual for any length of time.
Their glorified versions of history such as the Crusades and the Middle Ages are demonstrably false, their claims of Jewish persecution over the ages wither once actions of Jews over the ages to make themselves intensely disliked are recounted, and there is no justification in today's day and age for one country to be set up for the benefit of one religion, even to the point of forcibly evicting people who were there first and members of another religion.
So all they have left is hyperbole "Terrist lover! Muslim! Hitlerite!" and name calling. Without that they have nothing.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
You mean "Cast Lead" where the mighty Israeli Army showed their manliness by using White Phosphorous on children, and using children as human shields to do search and destroy on the rest of their families? You mean "Cast Lead" where they bombarded a third world ghetto with all the modern firepower of a first world ghetto in an assault that even their most sycophantic apologists have trouble not admitting that it was a hellish war crime (including Depleted Uranium tipped weapons leaving toxic residue for the next 4.5 Billion years)? That "Cast Lead"?
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
There is still a lot of good if you look around you on a local level. Maybe not for you because you live in NYC,but there is for those of us who live in "fly over country".
It's when you get to the national level that things go all to hell.
If you look on any discussion board you choose, it is impossible for an Israel apologist and/or WOT supporter to remain civil and factual for any length of time.
Yeah,Abdul,and the fact that you think I am either,never mind both,only proves you are a fool and a propagandist.
If you look on any discussion board you choose, it is impossible for an Israel apologist and/or WOT supporter to remain civil and factual for any length of time.
Yeah,Abdul,and the fact that you think I am either,never mind both,only proves you are a fool and a propagandist.
A popular writer for ynet news demonstrated great courage [ and humility, imo] for a column he wrote about 3 years ago. And yes, he was castigated for his honesty.
I have been thrown out of several, body and britches, into the middle of the street.
Most of them I took that as a badge of honor.
This site is the most open and tolerant of any I have inhabited. Right after I came here, the owner requested I NOT post to certain posters and threads. I said, "Yes Ma'am" and we get along reasonably well.
Your language will not win you any friends here on 4um.
There's an old legal aphorism that goes, "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
#467. To: scrapper2, sneakypete, AGAviator, all (#462)(Edited)
If you look on any discussion board you choose, it is impossible for an Israel apologist and/or WOT supporter to remain civil and factual for any length of time.
Yeah,Abdul,and the fact that you think I am either,never mind both,only proves you are a fool and a propagandist.
A popular writer for ynet news demonstrated great courage [ and humility, imo] for a column he wrote about 3 years ago. And yes, he was castigated for his honesty.
And that is the sanitized version. What he left out was the pogrom launched against Orthodox Christianity. Thousands of Orthodox Priests were murdered, many tortured to death, and their churches desecrated. Synagogues and Rabbis were left largely untouched.
The biggest problem with this for the Zionazis is that much of the mayhem was perpetrated by ethnically Jewish Psychopathic murderers. This presents a problem for them on several levels.
1. It removes the Nazi Mass Murders from first place as the largest Mass Murder of the 20th Century.
2. Jews were intimately involved in the massive murder rampage in Russia. This is easily contrasted with the inflated mass murder of Jews by Hitler. The Holy Six Million is still used (in the Zionist controlled press and by Israeli/Zionist PR Flacks and Politicians) despite the fact that the 6 million number has been reduced by 3 million by mainstream historians at Auschwitz alone. The memorial Plaque at Auschwitz which used to 4 million were murdered there now says "about" 1 million were). However, in Zionist arithmetic 6 million minus 3 million = 6 million. As well it has been admitted that the supposed "Gas Chambers" were built by the Soviets following WWII. This is not to excuse the Nazis, I don't - the Third Reich was a Psychopathic Criminal Regime, but to underscore the reality that this horrible crime has been inflated and used strictly for Propaganda purposes.
3. It directly undercuts the justification used to justify the formation of "pooooooor little Israel®" as some of its founding leadership came out of the Stalinist Camp in Russia (e.g., David Ben Gurion). The Kibbutz are based directly on Soviet Farm Collectives. And this is before you discuss just how the Arabs were driven from their own land by terrorist groups such as Irgun, Hagannah, and The Stern Gang. The problem for the Zionazis is that the Jewish intimate involvement in the Bolshevik Great Terror and Murder Machine is that it is directly contrary to the Propaganda cry of persecution. Here they were at the highest levels of power and behaved no differently than the Nazis they excoriate and use to justify their current criminality in Israel.
And all of that is before you include the collaboration of German Zionists with the Nazi Death Machine. Which is well documented by Lenni Brenner in his book "51 Documents". Which is built around the 51 documents he researched out of the archives of the Third Reich demonstrating clearly and unequivocally proving the collaboration. Of course there is as well the 150,000 Jews who served in the German Werhmact.
This is why the ADL and other Jewish groups are so adamant and insistent about passing "Hate Speech" Laws as they want to make it illegal hate speech to bring up any of this historically accurate and well documented information (as well as preventing mention of the War Crimes ongoing in Israel). This is why the apologists for Israel and Zionism have such explosive reactions to being confronted with this information. For the duped it shakes the stable foundation around which they have oriented their view of the world. Their entire edifice is founded upon and supported by lies and they cannot, and are completely unwilling to examine it as it is too horrble for them to confront. As a former apologist, and a good strong one, for Israel myself I can say point blank that the gut wrenching I went through when I first learned all of this to be true was traumatic. The other reason for the censorship of "hate speech" laws is to prevent exposure of the ongoing ethnic cleansing in Palestine which is nothing more than a slow motion mass murder. Liars and murderers desperately dislike being exposed as liars and murderers. That is also why they seek to distract from the facts through the constant barrage of hate and propaganda leveled at Islam and Muslims. There are other reasons - such as their own irrational ethnic hatreds, but the main reason is to distract from their OWN crimes against humanity. It is a standard m.o. of the criminal to point at the crimes of others or attempt to transfer responsibility for their crimes to someone else. It is a cloud of lies aimed only at preventing a judgment upon the truth.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Even among madrassa graduates, what percentage of them actually ends up doing terrorist activities.
Which Madrassas? Do you even know anything about Islam?
You are a moron and an apologist for murder. May you suffer a fate dealt out by those you would defend in exactly the same manner you mock. A curse upon you, and as Allah is the best of schemers, it will be so.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
Which Madrassas? Do you even know anything about Islam?
Yes, I do.
I know that it is a belief system only slightly less retrograde than joodaism, saying basically the same things as the OT/Torah only embellished up to the 7th century, and oddly enough purporting to obey the same deity.
That being said, I repeat. You are attempting to conflate the actions and beliefs of an insignificant portion of the total population into some sort of indictment of the system as a whole. Yet you can cite no objective facts or statistics or facts to support your claims in any way, shape, or form.
So like the disingenuous dissembler that you are, you resort to hyperbole, arm-waving, and name-calling. As all you joos do whenever you are cornered.
You are a moron and an apologist for murder. May you suffer a fate dealt out by those you would defend in exactly the same manner you mock. A curse upon you, and as Allah is the best of schemers, it will be so.
Both the Hadith and Torah agree on the fate of you and your joos. See my tag line.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
You are attempting to conflate the actions and beliefs of an insignificant portion of the total population into some sort of indictment of the system as a whole.
AGA - Islam is a major world religion .... it is estimated that there are about 2Billion followers.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
#479. To: mirage, AGAviator, sneaky pete, Liberator (#468)(Edited)
You are a moron and an apologist for murder.
No offense, mirage, but I think you are wrong about AGAviator. Admittedly I've come late to this thread because the title of the article put me off just as another article title about Jews did. However, based on my readings of the last 25-50 posts made by AGAviator, imo, he's only been defending Muslims from broad brush stroke prejudices that other posters like sneaky pete and Liberator have expressed on multiple occasions. AGAviator has tried add some balance some perspective to this thread that was sorely needed frankly. Furthermore, AGAviator has not defended violent actions committed by Muslim extremists, who represent a very small percentage of Muslims as a whole. Btw, extremists are not unique to the Islamic faith/Muslims - every religious faith/ ethnic group has extremists who advocate or commit acts of violence.
You are attempting to conflate the actions and beliefs of an insignificant portion of the total population into some sort of indictment of the system as a whole. Yet you can cite no objective facts or statistics or facts to support your claims in any way, shape, or form.
Exactly.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
Conversion to Islam by African–Americans was encouraged early in the twentieth century as a form of separatism from white oppression. The Christianity espoused by the dominant white population was interpreted as part of the pattern of oppression, and awareness grew that many of the slaves who had been brought from West Africa had been of Muslim faith. A number of movements developed to bring the former slaves back to their suppressed ancestral faith.
Fisher, M. P. (2005). Living religions (6th ed.).
It's not my perspective. It's fact - recorded history.
This is why the ADL and other Jewish groups are so adamant and insistent about passing "Hate Speech" Laws as they want to make it illegal hate speech to bring up any of this historically accurate and well documented information (as well as preventing mention of the War Crimes ongoing in Israel). This is why the apologists for Israel and Zionism have such explosive reactions to being confronted with this information. For the duped it shakes the stable foundation around which they have oriented their view of the world. Their entire edifice is founded upon and supported by lies and they cannot, and are completely unwilling to examine it as it is too horrble for them to confront. As a former apologist, and a good strong one, for Israel myself I can say point blank that the gut wrenching I went through when I first learned all of this to be true was traumatic. The other reason for the censorship of "hate speech" laws is to prevent exposure of the ongoing ethnic cleansing in Palestine which is nothing more than a slow motion mass murder. Liars and murderers desperately dislike being exposed as liars and murderers. That is also why they seek to distract from the facts through the constant barrage of hate and propaganda leveled at Islam and Muslims. There are other reasons - such as their own irrational ethnic hatreds, but the main reason is to distract from their OWN crimes against humanity. It is a standard m.o. of the criminal to point at the crimes of others or attempt to transfer responsibility for their crimes to someone else. It is a cloud of lies aimed only at preventing a judgment upon the truth.
Most of the slaves brought here from Africa were of Muslim faith.
I think a statement with more truth to it would read:
Most of the slaves brought here from Africa were captured by and sold into slavery initially by many of the Muslim faith, placed on board ships many of which were owned and financed by Jews, and sold to plantations and other interested parties most of which were Christians.
As always you hold onto some insignificant and meaningless opinion as fact. The main methods of the slave trade from Africa imported into the western colonies [new world] were by the Portuguese exploiting localized Afican tribes, whom were at war with each other.
You are a fool a total idiot.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
The main methods of the slave trade from Africa imported into the western colonies [new world] were by the Portuguese exploiting localized Afican trib
There were English, Portugese, Spanish, and Dutch Jews all involved in the slave trade.
Not only that but Jews were quite involved with abducting Slavs from Eastern Europe and taking them south to the Moors.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Btw, extremists are not unique to the Islamic faith/Muslims - every religious faith/ ethnic group has extremists who advocate or commit acts of violence.
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i've said that at least 3 times on this thread and it's gone ignored.
Do you realize what Mel attempted to portray with her god-damned lie? She was saying [in effect] that Muslims practice slavery when in fact it was Christians.
That bitch needs some heavy slapping around.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
However, based on my readings of the last 25-50 posts made by AGAviator, imo, he's only been defending Muslims from broad brush stroke prejudices that other posters like sneaky pete and Liberator have expressed on multiple occasions.
I've been posting on the Internet for over 12 years and never once have I said that Islam is a superior belief system, or the Koran justifies the things the suicide bombers and the screamy Heebies say it does.
But as I've said already the Jews and the WOT supporters cannot discuss the subject at any length without resorting to hyperbole, name calling, and appeals to emotionalism because their position is unsupported by either facts or logic when you look at the big picture.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
It's not my perspective. It's fact - recorded history.
Many does not mean most. Yet where is the evidence that African slaves brought teachings and practices from the Koran to the New World? That author is basing his theory on an unproven premise.
And don't forget also that most Caribbean Indian tribes were captured and enslaved by good Christians right here in the New World without an ounce of Muslim help.
PS - I wasn't discussing the slave tade. I was discussing the religion of the slaves brought here from [West] Africa and their forced conversion to Christianity and why they have been converting back to Islam.
Do you realize what Mel attempted to portray with her god-damned lie? She was saying [in effect] that Muslims practice slavery when in fact it was Christians.
Historically, both of them have.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
What is your opinion of Israel using white phosphorous bombs on the Gaza populace?
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You are full of shit. I called you out on your god-damned lies and all you produce is some ignorant opinion.
Muslims don't run run around a HOT-POT with Christian missionaries subdued in the same; moreover on the West Coast of Africa, the Muslim faith wasn't established until the last century.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
As a former apologist, and a good strong one, for Israel myself I can say point blank that the gut wrenching I went through when I first learned all of this to be true was traumatic.
Who wants to be thought of as an 'anti-Semite'?
Like being considered a terrorist.
But it's better to know the truth.
Ignorance is not bliss.
It's just ignorance.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
Only those slaves from [West] Africa. I inadvertantly left out the "West" pat in my original post. It's not theory and it's not unproven.
Yet where is the evidence that African slaves brought teachings and practices from the Koran to the New World?
Seiously? lol. They were not allowed to practice their religion. They were forced to practice Christianity. Still, they maintained some pat of their ancestral religion in secret.
Here's some more from the text:
A number of movements developed to bring the former slaves back to their suppressed ancestral faith. For instance, in 1913 Noble Drew Ali (1886–1929) began a movement, eventually called the Moorish Science Temple of America, that was designed to begin teaching the elements of the faith to African–Americans and thus give them a strong sense of their own identity. Members were encouraged to adopt Noble Drew Ali’s understanding of Muslim lifestyles, with modest dress, gender separation, traditional family structure, and community solidarity. The Holy Prophet Noble Drew Ali declared that it was his “Divine Mission” to “uplift fallen humanity.”
Most of the slaves brought here from Africa were captured by and sold into slavery initially by many of the Muslim faith, placed on board ships many of which were owned and financed by Jews, and sold to plantations and other interested parties most of which were Christians.
Many of the South American plantations were owned by Dutch and Portuguese Jews. The 17th and 18th century was quite a heyday for European Jewish slavedealers/owners in the Caribbean and South America.
I produced well-researched, scholary documentation of History - You produced foul language.
Do you even know who actually recognized Muhammad as a Prophet? A Christian Monk. True Muslims live in peace with all other religions, as they are commanded by Allah. Those commands wre given by Allah to Muhammad and recorded in the Qur'an by the scribe hired by Muhammad.
Christian faith conquered the world. From war to raping little girls all over the world.
You don't read that same set of issues with the Muslim religion, so your perspective is [akin to Mel's BS]... sorry you receive my wrath but Christianity as practiced in the 18th and 19th centuries was pure torture. Ever hear about the Spanish Inquisition?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Thank you for the kind words. My one and only goal is to convince people to look honestly at the honest facts. And quixotically in so doing help in my own small way to bring to an end the horrors that visit our world.
"The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and sets free those who have loved it." ~ Albert Camus
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Which reminds me of a T-Shirt I saw in the window of a shop near the University of Washington:
Ignorance Ought to be Painful
The reality is that it is.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Seiously? lol. They were not allowed to practice their religion. They were forced to practice Christianity. Still, they maintained some pat of their ancestral religion in secret
They kept many parts of their tribal culture hidden but still practiced especially in the Caribbean Islands. Yet not an ounce of the Koran made it through until it's "revival" by Jewish white liberals in the seventies.
To take advantage of the upcoming need for Black distinction and division among the races in this country, plus Indian power, feminism, gay rights and even animal rights got their start then too and by many of the same people most of whom belonged to an ancient tribe.
This killed the melting pot theory in it's tracks. Who would be the least interested in assimilating?
I produced well-researched, scholary documentation of History - You produced foul language.
I hate to tell you this but you will need to learn this before you start your thesis, you gave a text book summary as a reference. That would have killed your thesis 30 years ago.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
So you want the authors refrences as well? No problem. Then you have to post your evidence that refutes what I have posted deal? I can hang out and tell people thy are wrong all day long, but without any evidence to show them they are wrong, my words would mean nothing. So cough up your evidence. I should remind you that one must be well learned in a subject in order to write a text book for use in University courses. The authors refrences:
Ahmed, Akbar, S., Islam Under Siege, Cambridge: Polity Press, 2003. Careful explanation of Islamic ideals and concerns in the context of contemporary violence in the name of Islam.
Ahmed, Akbar S., Discovering Islam: Making Sense of Muslim History and Society, London and New York: Routledge, revised edition, 2002. A well-known Pakistani diplomat and scholar teaching in the United States offers keen insights into the spirituality and history of modern Muslim cultures.
Ali, Maulana Muhammad, The Religion of Islam, sixth edition, Columbus, Ohio: Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha’at Islam, 1994. A classic reference explaining all aspects of Muslim belief and practice, with extensive scriptural quotations. Armstrong, Karen, The Battle for God, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2000. A monumental study of the development of fundamentalism in the United States, Israel, and Egypt in response to modernity.
Dessouki, Ali E. Hillal, ed., Islamic Resurgence in the Arab World, New York: Praeger Publishers, 1982. A scholarly study of the contemporary Islamic resurgence in specific Arab nations.
Esack, Farid, Qur’an, Liberation and Pluralism: An Islamic Perspective of Interreligious Solidarity against Oppression, Oxford: Oneworld Publications, 1997. A first-person account of the struggle for justice in South Africa from the point of view of a Muslim scholar and activist, exploring Qur’anic principles that lead to inter-religious fraternity. Esposito, John L., The Islamic Threat: Myth or Reality?, third edition, New York: Oxford University Press, 1999. An insighful survey of militant Islamic movements around the world.
Esposito, John L., Islam: The Straight Path, New York, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1988. A scholarly, clear introduction to historical and contemporary Islam.
Hefner, Robert W. and Patricia Horvatich, eds., Islam in an Era of Nation- states: Politics and Religious Renewal in Muslim Southeast Asia, Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press, 1997. Detailed analyses of Muslim reformist movements in Southeast Asia with reference to modern governmental structures.
Lings, Martin, Muhammad, London: George Allen & Unwin, and Islamic Text Society, 1983. A highly regarded biography of the Prophet. McCloud, Aminah Beverly, African American Islam, New York and London: Routledge, 1995. An accessible inside view of contemporary African–American Muslim communities and issues they face in a contrasting cultural context. Nasr, Seyyed Hossein, Ideals and Realities of Islam, second edition, London: Unwin Hyman Ltd., 1985. Thoughtful presentation of both esoteric and exoteric features of Islam.
Nasr, Seyyed Hossein, ed., Islamic Spirituality I: Foundations, New York: Crossroad Publishing Company, 1987 and London: SCM Press, 1989. Excellent chapters on key features of Muslim spirituality, from fasting to angels, with sections on Sunnism, Shi’ism, and Sufism.
Nasr, Seyyed Hossein, Traditional Islam in the Modern World, London and New York: Kegan Paul International, 1990. Religiously sensitive discussions of varied topics in attempts to bring forth traditional Muslim values within contemporary social settings. Nasr, Seyyed Hossein, Dabashi, Hamid, and Nasr, Seyyed Vali Reza, Shi’ism: Doctrines, Thought, and Spirituality, Albany, New York: State University of New York Press, 1988. To balance the predominant media attention to Shi’ite politics, a set of thoughtful essays on aspects of Shi’ite spirituality.
Paige, Glenn D., Satha-Anand, Chaiwats, and Gilliatt, Sarah, Islam and Nonviolence, Honolulu: University of Hawaii, Center for Global Nonviolence Planning Project, 1993. Strong essays on theories and practice of non-violence stemming from Muslim values.
Pinault, David, The Shiites: Ritual and Popular Piety in a Muslim Community, New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1992. Sensitive discussions of Shi’ite interpretations of Muslim history and how these inform communal life and action.
Rashid, Ahmed, Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia, New Haven: Yale University Press, 2000. A Pakistani journalist chronicles the Taliban’s rise to power, including global politics and economics as well as religion. Schimmel, Annemarie, And Muhammad is His Messenger: The Veneration of the Prophet in Islamic Piety, Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina Press, 1985. Extensive exploration of Muslims’ love for the Prophet.
Schimmel, Annemarie, Mystical Dimensions of Islam, Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina Press, 1975. A classic survey of Sufi history, teachings, and saints. Schuon, Frithjof, Understanding Islam, London: George Allen & Unwin, 1963. Profound and lyrical observations about the way of Islam.
Stowasser, Barbara Freyer, The Islamic Impulse, Washington, D.C.: Center for Contemporary Arab Studies, Georgetown University, 1987. Sensitive articles exploring the meanings of Islamist movements.
Wadud, Amina, Qur’an and Woman, New York/Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1999. Probing hermeneutic analysis of the Qur’an, revealing its principles of social justice, including gender equality.
Webb, Gisela, Windows of Faith: Muslim Women Scholar-Activists in North America, Syracuse, New York: Syracuse University Press, 2000. Articles revealing the depth of feminist scholarship within Islam, particularly with reference to the ideal of social justice as seen from the point of view of women of faith.
But as I've said already the Jews and the WOT supporters cannot discuss the subject at any length without resorting to hyperbole, name calling, and appeals to emotionalism because their position is unsupported by either facts or logic when you look at the big picture.
It is so very predictable.
A closely related discussion to this thread topic, "Islam breeds violence", would be "Why do they hate us?" where the general answers fall into two camps:
1) they hate us because of our freedoms, way of life, elections, religion and so forth, and;
2) we're bank rolling Israel and we seem to be perpetually OVER THERE f-ing with them in some onerous manner--our middle east foreign policy.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
There's so much beauty in your posts. Have you found the refuting evidence yet or have you already had too much to drink to produce anything more than childish rants?
You are attempting to conflate the actions and beliefs of an insignificant portion of the total population into some sort of indictment of the system as a whole. Yet you can cite no objective facts or statistics or facts to support your claims in any way, shape, or form.
You just lost.
If there are a billion or two Muslims and 10-25% follow a school (Wahabbiism) that advocates violence, then that "insignificant portion" is about the population of the United States.
200 or 300 million to you is "insignificant" and yet you whine about Israel and the Joos all the time who number 1/10 of that, or about 30 million total.
You are a complete blithering idiot who lies when he has lost.
You lose, buddy. You are so lost.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
Do you realize what Mel attempted to portray with her god-damned lie? She was saying [in effect] that Muslims practice slavery when in fact it was Christians.
Historically, both of them have.
And those who practiced slavery sought to pervert their own religion's holy works to justify the unjustifiable.
Of course one thing Jews do not wish to confront is their complicity in the past and ongoing slave trade. Israel is the locus of the "White Slave" Trade in the Middle East as of today, and it is not a small trade.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
1) they hate us because of our freedoms, way of life, elections, religion and so forth, and;
If and when those privileges negate my own property or other natural rights Id tend to get a bit pissy too. Overthrow my duly elected parliament will you, well take this (slips into footage from 1974 Hawaiian surf tournament...)
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
I produced well-researched, scholary documentation of History - You produced foul language.
Funny how things work out isn't it? Can I interest you in some new doors or windows?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
The slavers kept logs of everything including "passengers", where and from who they were obtained and from what tribe (if known). Just some of those would suffice.
I quoted from the text - used the text as a reference - as is expected of the students in the class - I did not ue a summary. A quote and a summary are two diffeent things but both are appropriate for required formatting.
This is a forum, not a classroom. Hadthis bee a classroom, a few postes on this thread would have been suspended.
To: mininggold I quoted from the text - used the text as a reference - as is expected of the students in the class - I did not ue a summary. A quote and a summary are two diffeent things but both are appropriate for required formatting.
As long as you know the difference... that what I was trying to get at. So many texts are author biased, I like to see the documents they base their theories on and.... remember it's only theory in most cases..... subject to more investigation and new discoveries.
Doesn't Anubis bring a pound of glazers putty for every slipper he chews?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
If there are a billion or two Muslims and 10-25% follow a school (Wahabbiism) that advocates violence,
I bet they have long memories, as well.
Invading and butchering two of their countries was, then, probably a bad idea.
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What is your opinion of Israel using white phosphorous bombs on the Gaza populace?
Murder is murder, is it not?
And using my tax money to fund the disproportionate carnage for one side implicates, most unfortunately, me.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
You are a god-damned liar. Everything you say as opinion is worthless. Why do you think this forum is about spreading your Christian views? Are you looking for converts? No man would swallow much less swallow your god-damned BS.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
It is a standard m.o. of the criminal to point at the crimes of others or attempt to transfer responsibility for their crimes to someone else. It is a cloud of lies aimed only at preventing a judgment upon the truth.
Have you ever read the wiki entry for Psychopathy? It describes the hardcore Zionist, or any other proponent of predatory politics, to a tee.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
Psychopathy is a personality disorder whose hallmark is a lack of empathy. Robert Hare, a researcher in the field describes psychopaths as "intraspecies predators who use charm, manipulation, intimidation, sex and violence to control others and to satisfy their own selfish needs. Lacking in conscience and empathy, they take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without guilt or remorse". "What is missing, in other words, are the very qualities that allow a human being to live in social harmony."
Psychopaths are glib and superficially charming, and many psychopaths are excellent mimics of normal human emotion; some psychopaths can blend in, undetected, in a variety of surroundings, including corporate environments. There is neither a cure nor any effective treatment for psychopathy; there are no medications or other techniques which can instill empathy, and psychopaths who undergo traditional talk therapy only become more adept at manipulating others. The consensus among researchers is that psychopathy stems from a specific neurological disorder which is biological in origin and present from birth. It is estimated that one percent of the general population are psychopaths.
use charm, manipulation...(and) sex to satisfy their own selfish needs. Lacking in conscience and empathy, they take what they want and do as they please, ...without guilt or remorse".
glib and superficially charming, and many ... are excellent mimics of normal human emotion;
Sounds like women I've met online and subsequently dated in real life...
I don't know who started it on this thread, but you have a long history of starting shit on other threads. Don't be surprised if it continues after you're tired of it.
I don't like being told what I can believe in or worship based upon my national ancestry, spelled correctly or otherwise.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Your over-simplification of opinions is worthy of comment. Melinda and I goe back years as she chased the destruction of Chris Simcox. She was wrong. I was right.
She follows me and diva around fucking with us. You could be next on her stalker list.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
If there are a billion or two Muslims and 10-25% follow a school (Wahabbiism) that advocates violence, then that "insignificant portion" is about the population of the United States.
Please source those 10-25% stats about Muslims advocating violence. Thank you.
If you look at numbers of Iraqi Muslim deaths alone - for example - that our government, which heads a majority Christian nation, has caused in a nation that had zero to do with 9/11 or for that matter any other violent events within our sovereign nation, I think you'll agree that OUR GOVERNMENT'S VIOLENT ACTIONS [in just the past 5 years] are far more shameful/unconscionable than any rhetoric, words supposedly espoused in Muslim religious schools.
mirage, I have always thought you were a reasonable, rational poster but what you are writing on this thread makes me have second thoughts about my initial impression of you.
Again, it's the internet. You and DBR leave your goats tied out in the open where it's easy to go get them and turn them loose, with much hilarity ensuing. Been there, done that.
That having been said, if you allow anyone to step into "meatspace" and take online fuckery into 3-D world (unless all the players are amenable to mutual fuckery, in which case, it can be great fun), that's more your fault than anyone else's for not making a strong declarative 'statement' that such behavior will not be tolerated.
Psychopaths are glib and superficially charming, and many psychopaths are excellent mimics of normal human emotion; some psychopaths can blend in, undetected, in a variety of surroundings, including corporate environments.
Kind of like that nice boy next door - Ted Bundy, or on a larger scale a Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Bush, or Obama.
Obama strikes as a particularly good representative of "the clan". As was Bill Clinton. Both can lie with charm and grace all the while patting you on the back to find the best place to put the knife. Bush wasn't as convincing because he is a complete imbecile.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
As long as you know the difference... that what I was trying to get at. So many texts are author biased, I like to see the documents they base their theories on and.... remember it's only theory in most cases..... subject to more investigation and new discoveries.
Always, always, if at all possible, go to the source text. It is the way of the scholar and avoids someone else's misinterpretation, whether willful or not, of what the original text said. If you would read Shakespeare read Shakespeare not someone else's commentary on Shakespeare (I picked a neutral example but it holds true for any original text).
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Bush wasn't as convincing because he is a complete imbecile.
Bush didn't take a teleprompter with him every place he went like Big O reportedly does. Of the 3 men you name, I'd say Billy Jeff is the only one who deserves credit for spontaneous charm/cerebral strengths.
I still remember a townhall meeting that Obama [ sans teleprompter] appeared at wherein he proposed his theory that tires and how they were inflated could be an important factor re: America attaining independence from fossil fuels. It was hilarious and ranked right up there with any Bushism I've read. And what's more pathetic about Obama's dimwitedness is that he is so full of himself he does not realize that he's a dope. Regarding his tire inflation theory, for example, Obie prattled on and on about it - not just a simple slip of the tongue - he really believed his nonsense was earth shattering brilliant.
I'd be thrilled if all the Muslims left this country. Likewise, if AIPAC and the Tribe bolted we'd be better off. Liberator, read the synopsis of the material Mearsheimer and Walt put together. Then read the chapter on immigration Kevin MacDonald put together in his "The Culture of Critique." I'm far, far from an intellectual, but this material is a common sense road map to the truth.
I'll give Libby $14 in ArtsAndLeisureCzar tokens for an original book report on The Israel Lobby
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
"You need to start from the beginning of the conversations instead of jumping in the middle of them."
Like I said, "I don't know who started it on this thread, but you have a long history of starting shit on other threads." And you shouldn't be surprised if it doesn't stop just because you're tired of it.
Bush wasn't as convincing because he is a complete imbecile.
Bush didn't take a teleprompter with him every place he went like Big O reportedly does. Of the 3 men you name, I'd say Billy Jeff is the only one who deserves credit for spontaneous charm/cerebral strengths.
Yes, Bubba the Hut was a very good and charming psychopath. He still has apologists even now. And they excoriate Bush for his wars but always conveniently forget that Bubba had his own "war based on lies" in Kosovo. Which, as with Pipelinestan, was about Heroin and Mineral Wealth (the Trepka mining complex has an estimated recoverable mineral wealth of roughly 3 TRILLION dollars, and the main Heroin trade route in Europe is through Kosovo which the KLA was heavily involved in). Milosevic pissed off the Western Bankster Elite by giving the contract for its operation to a Greek company. Bad, bad, Milosevic.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Again, it's the internet. You and DBR leave your goats tied out
in the open where it's easy to go get them and turn them loose, with much
hilarity ensuing. Been there, done that.
That having been said, if you
allow anyone to step into "meatspace" and take online f**kery into 3-D world
(unless all the players are amenable to mutual f**kery, in which case, it can
be great fun), that's more your fault than anyone else's for not making a
strong declarative 'statement' that such behavior will not be tolerated.
Again, you don't understand the Internet as you are not
stalked. [comment deleted by mod]
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Good ol' Leon. Vying with Stalin for Alpha Psychopath in the USSR and lost. A bullet in the head was entirely too kind.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
That's why I'm glad he got an icepick to the brain instead. ; )
If roughly one percent of the population are psychopathic, that means that there about sixty million+ psychopaths roaming around. I wonder if they recognize each other.
buck, i asked you to stop the ongoing personal war with mel on this board. i don't care what's gone on at other forums between you. it doesn't belong here. it has nothing to do with the topic of the thread and is just disruption. i don't want to have to take the time to delete your posts so, please, have some respect for that.
Why are you taking the position of supporting Melinda? Obviously, you have thrown the gauntlet ... and your admonishment means nothing to me with you abetting the REAL enemy.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
If you would read Shakespeare read Shakespeare not someone else's commentary on Shakespeare (I picked a neutral example but it holds true for any original text).
Exactly. Your posts have always been excellent. That's why I read books BEFORE I read the reviews.
I gotta take the kids to the Christmas parade in a little while.
Have a good time, eh?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Last night? That's history, I was expecting narrative! :)
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Wave your NYC titties at her, girl, I'm sure someone will take notice.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Thank you for the link. That is not a one setting read. I'll have to go back to it when I have more time.
Although to simplify the issue in a broad stroke about 2 1/2% of the population falls into the psychopathic/anti-social personality category and of those only a small handful are really dangerous. Where it gets really dangerous is when these types of twisted personalities achieve positions of power as they have in our current political structure. That they go unrecognized for what they are compounds the problem. Most people are not psychopaths and that type of thinking is so foreign to them that most just don't get it. They assume, wrongly that everyone else reacts as they do - generally operating on the greatest good for the greatest number. Of course they are sadly wrong. That wrongness coupled with the inability to recognize the problem could get us all killed.
These anti-social psychopaths are the types who could and would pull the nuclear trigger without remorse. This is also why the West is in such a dire predicament, as these types are not amenable to reason (they are quite mad - all outward appearances to the contrary) and operate off of a perverse illogic that is deadly dangerous to all. Directly in their sphere of influence they affect maybe another 17 or 18 percent and send them off the rails as well - although not quite to the same extent as the psycho in the center of it all. The psychopath is so destructive, and out of touch with reality, the fact that his solution kills everybody does not enter into his/her calculations. Psychopaths are also very bad at predicting the outcome of their actions.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
That's why I'm glad he got an icepick to the brain instead. ; )
Oops. My bad you are quite right. Mexico City as I recall. At least I remembered the right body part. I should have checked before I wrote but got lazy. That's what I get for not double checking my memory. I think he should have gotten a stiletto in the brain stem ["Good Fellas" if I recall - correctly this time. ;)]
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
#589. To: sneakypete, bluegrass, wudidiz, Original_Intent, buckeroo (#421)
That's right. It's hard to defend yourself against cowards that fight like sneak thief's.
I remember seeing all the ads in Shotgun News years ago that were selling Egyptian army rifles that said "Never fired,and only dropped once!"
Between 1979 and 1989, against almost impossible odds, the Afghan mujahideen, with a little logistical help from the US, accomplished what you chest-thumping blowhards were never able to do during the 45-year entire Cold War period.
Namely: Inflict enough damage on the Red Army they decided that staying in a country they had invaded and occupied just wasn't worth it.
Who the hell are you butch types to claim that Muslims are cowards and sneak attackers? How many victories over Ivan can you claim?
Hell, you couldn't even kick out Ivan's JV.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
#590. To: AGAviator, sneakypete, bluegrass, Original_Intent, buckeroo, all (#589)
All these wars benefit mostly if not only the elite and the military industrial complex. They are unnecessary and based on lies. The fighting of them by innocent and unaware soldiers which I before thought to be glorious and honorable I now see as sad and tragic.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
All these wars benefit mostly if not only the elite and the military industrial complex. They are unnecessary and based on lies. The fighting of them by innocent and unaware soldiers which I before thought to be glorious and honorable I now see as sad and tragic.
Amen. Well said.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
"It is true that this shows that al Qaeda has gained, but on the other hand it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something that anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega- corporations, like Halliburton and its kind, will be convinced.
"And it all shows that the real loser is you," he said. "It is the American people and their economy."
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
All these wars benefit mostly if not only the elite and the military industrial complex. They are unnecessary and based on lies.
No doubt about that. And the lies are told to promote greed and power.
You can only justify war if you are attacked,and even then you don't have a license to keep the war going forever so contractors and politicians can get rich from it. BTW,this is my last reply to this thread. I just logged on and must have 15 or 20 pings to it. I just don't have the time or patience for this nonsense.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
If roughly one percent of the population are psychopathic, that means that there about sixty million+ psychopaths roaming around. I wonder if they recognize each other.
Yes they do, but as they find each other so darned predictable they generally prefer to work alone. There is a theory that a high percentage actually will outgrow the problem around the age of forty. Clinton evidently did not luck out.
Between 1979 and 1989, against almost impossible odds, the Afghan mujahideen, with a little logistical help from the US, accomplished what you chest-thumping blowhards were never able to do during the 45-year entire Cold War period.
I thought it interesting that Michael Savage said on one of his programs last week that there is probably not more than 100 Afghans actually fighting against our troops. Does anyone have any info to back this up?
I thought it interesting that Michael Savage said on one of his programs last week that there is probably not more than 100 Afghans actually fighting against our troops. Does anyone have any info to back this up?
No, there are supposed to be around 100 Al Qaeda, there are many more people called "Taliban."
The problem the US has in Afghanistan is it decided to attack Afghan Pushtuns instead of focusing on al Qaeda.
The Pushtuns have a centuries old tradition of hospitality which means anyone who comes to them escaping from his enemies should be taken in and protected at all costs.
This tradition was at work when they took in Al Qaeda and OBL specifically.
This tradition was also at work when a Navy SEAL a few years ago got seriously wounded with Taliban trying to finish him off, when a local took the SEAL into his house and hid him until the Americans were able to rescue him.
But by attacking the Pashtuns who had nothing to do with 911 America made millions of new enemies, who are now becoming closer and closer to the Al Qaida worldview.
The other huge blunder the US has made is to empower the Tajik minority in Afghanistan and make them the most powerful group in the Afghan Army and the Afghan government.
What this means is the tribal adversaries of the Pushtuns now have American backing to go into Pashtun homes, search, harass, and degrade them. The Pashtuns have always kicked the Tajik's butts whenever there has been conflict between the two. Once American protection is neutralized, the next time, and they are heading toward a next time, the outcome will not be any different.
But bottom line is there are over 40 million Pushtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan - they are the largest single tribe in the world - and a substantial number of them hate America's guts after thinking America could do no wrong only 20 short years ago.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
read that article's paragraph's 6&7. that may answer your question somewhat
THE US IS ACTUALLY FIGHTING A VAST, ANCIENT WARRIOR NATION IN AFPAK THAT IS TEN TIMES THE SIZE OF THE SUNNI NATION IN IRAQ AND MANY LESSER NATIONS AND GROUPS WHICH ARE ALSO FIERCE WARRIORS.
THEY ARE THE WARRIORS AND THEIR SONS WHO ANNIHILATED THE VAST 40TH ARMY OF THE MIGHTY USSR RED ARMY THAT HAD NEVER BEFORE BEEN DEFEATED.
THE IDEA THAT A TINY FORCE OF UNIFORMED AND SECRET US GANG BOYS FROM L.A. AND CHICAGO ARE GOING TO DEFEAT A VAST NATION OF WARRIORS SET ON FIRE WITH HOLY WARRIOR ZEAL AGAINST THE INFIDEL INVADERS AND TRAITORS TO ISLAM LIKE BARACK OBAMA, HOLY WARRIORS WHO ARE ALSO FIGHTING FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND HOMES AND ANCIENT HOMELANDS AND SEEKING REVENGE FOR THE US SLAUGHTER OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS WITH HELLFIRE MISSILES, IS UTTERLY PREPOSTEROUS.
Spot on.
"Osama" has become a popular name for male children in that part of the world.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
I think another point MS wanted to emphasize that it was a small minority that was taking on and inflicting major damage on our troops out of all proportion to their size. He now says he's against the Afghan War because it is just making the defense contractors wealthy. I guess any excuse will do right now.
If we model this surge after the Iraqi one where we pay tribal warlords to "keep the peace", how will the Pushtuns react? Won't they will be the tribe on the outs?
If we model this surge after the Iraqi one where we pay tribal warlords to "keep the peace", how will the Pushtuns react? Won't they will be the tribe on the outs?
Pushtuns live and breathe a code called "Pushtunwali" in which honor is the most important part.
The United States has offered $25 million for both OBL and Mullah Omar since 2001, and they are still at large.
No bona fide Pushtun will sell somebody out for any amount of money. They can spot the few degenerates who might a mile away, because life is hard there and anybody who can't take the hardships is immediately suspect.
If they do take any American money, they will do with it whatever they please, and it is possible if it comes with too many strings attached they may very well tell the USA to eff off.
One of the reasons the Pushtuns dislike the Tajiks in Afghanistan is because Ahmad Shah Massoud's Tajiks signed 7 separate truces with the Red Army during the 10 year long Soviet Afghan war, while the Pushtuns never once even considered the idea.
So the US is now backing the Tajiks, and making enemies of the Pushtuns. Very bad move.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
And using my tax money to fund the disproportionate carnage for one side implicates, most unfortunately, me.
Not in the slightest. The blame resides with the responsible parties in Washington DC, not in you. If you do not pay the taxes imposed on you, then you go to prison.
It is rational to avoid prison, and you are not an active participant in any carnage, nor are you issuing the orders, nor, I would wager, are you casting a vote for the people who are appropriating your money to fund the carnage.
You are an innocent bystander caught in a situation not of your own making and trying to do the best you can.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
Oddly enough, these "misunderstanders" all seem to "misunderstand" Islam the exact same way. It is very strange. Perhaps you can shed some light on this development?
Good night.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
Btw, extremists are not unique to the Islamic faith/Muslims - every religious faith/ ethnic group has extremists who advocate or commit acts of violence.
But not every one of those has an entire school (Wahabbisim) that is funded by the Saudi Government that goes forth and preaches violence.
Do some reading on it. You'll be amazed.
Just so you know, Wikipedia puts Wahabbisim as a subset of Sunni Islam, which is the majority branch. With Saudi petrodollars and a documented minimum 1500 Wahabbi Mosques they have funded, do the math.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
#614. To: mirage, Liberator, sneakypete, any Zionist brainwashed Islamophobes (#612)(Edited)
There are jokes among Arabs about taking revenge after only 20 years (or 30 or 50 or whatever) where the punchline is always "Why so soon?"
1) Islam breeds violence--oh, ok-- so invading and butchering two of thier countries is a great idea along the lines of "Hey, y'all, watch me go slap that homicidal maniac in the face."
2) Now they have a real reason to hate US for generations to come--Zionist Islamophobia becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
3) 10-25% (or whatever that Zionist propaganda number was above) of Muslims are inbred, intractable violent fanatics. WELL WITH THE ABSOLUTE NUMBER OF MUSLIMS IN AMERICA, WHERE HAVE BEEN THE DAILY AND WIDESPRERD VIOLENCE AND ATTACKS that you attach to these people. Hasn't been happening.
4) You clowns actually believe that Iraq, Afghanistan and Muslims are and were a direct and real threat to the United States States of America--abject, laughable bullsh*t.
5) Islam breeds violence--how would you all react to this thread "Judaism breeds greed and corruption" and think about how my tragline is RIGHT NOW bankrupting America and destroying American culture and society while they have you bitching and worrying about Muslims.
Oy.
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6) No doubt you parrot this line: "We're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here."
Gee, what does that say about the $trillions and $trillion we spend on the CIA, FBI, Army, Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force, ect....what..a monumental waste of money--these trillions and these incompetent and worthless people are INCAPABLE of protecting America.
Well, I guess thier job is made more difficult with the Zionist run federal government keeping our borders wide open.
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It's partially my fault. The engineer in me enjoys bringing stress to bear on structures that weren't up to code in the first place and seeing what shears. It's a personal failing, albeit a tremendously amusing one to me.
On an unrelated note, Texas stole that game from Nebraska last night. Clot McCoy and Mack Brown should be scratching their defeated asses at home. If at first you don't succeed, if you're Texas, you just add another second to the clock and kick a field goal. ;)
Alabama will right that wrong in a month or so, however.
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Bump. Thanks for the info. I don't believe that info is widely known...certainy not by our doofus desk jockeys in the Pentagon
After wasting a trillion dollars, some of them are catching on, including McChrystal, so now they want quotas for Pushtuns and kind of an "affirmative action" program for Pushtuns in both the Afghan Army and the government.
A very telling picture of how dominant the Tajiks are, is when Afghan Army recruits graduate, they get inducted in front of a giant photo of Ahmad Shah Massoud, who is universally considered a traitor by the Pushtuns because of his 7 truces with the Russians, and his subsequent accepting of planeloads weapons from them when the mujahideen began fighting among themselves once all the communists had been kicked out.
No self respecting Pushtun will join an organization which considers a traitor like Massoud one of its heroes.
The problem with that is Pushtuns have a very strong sense of honor and with them it's either all or none. They're not going to live under the thumb of another people they can easily kick out of their territories without American meddling, and they're not going to support a government that does not have their interests first.
It's quite parallel to the Sunnis and the Shias in Iraq, but at least in Iraq the Shias are larger numerically. So America will need to baby sit both countries into perpetuity to keep the ethnic and tribal factions from going after each other. And there will be a steady attrition of Americans as this happens.
But not every one of those has an entire school (Wahabbisim) that is funded by the Saudi Government that goes forth and preaches violence.
If you dig into it further you will find that Wahabbiism is a creation of British Intelligence.
The Wahabbi school serves the neads of both the West and the Saud fambly (which was put in power by the Brits early in the 20th Century). It preaches loyalty and obedience to the Reigning House AND rejection of "infidels" (thus keeping the competition for resources out). Puritanical schools of all faiths seem to attract certain types of individuals who wish to deprive others, and themselves, from any of the joys of life. They seem to take a perverse pleasure in misery. They generally require strict and austere codes of conduct are very insular. "Either yer' with us or agin' us."
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
#622. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#620)
Islam breeds violence
"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail," Rabbi Yaacov Perrin
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#623. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#622)
Islam breeds violence
The process of mass expulsion was made all the more easy with massacres of entire villages, the details of which were then made known to outlying towns resulting in mass panic and subsequent flight. Of the more infamous massacres taking place was the slaughter at Deir Yassin, where Jewish terrorists butchered as many as 250 men, women and children, including–if it can be imagined–pregnant women who had their bellies slashed open with Jewish bayonets and their unborn children ripped out in what was a repeat performance of what the ancient Israelites did to the Tiphsahite women in the Old Testament as recounted in the Book of Kings. Some of the testimonies of those who witnessed and even participated in the slaughter at Deir Yassin have testified that–
“We eliminated every Arab that came our way.”
–Ben Zion Cohen, an Irgun commander
“I saw the horrors that the fighters had created. I saw bodies of women and children, who were murdered in their houses in cold blood by gunfire, with no signs of battle and not as the result of blowing up the houses. I have seen a great deal of war, but I never saw a sight like Deir Yassin.”
–Eliahu Arbel, Operations Officer in the Jewish Haganah
“The attackers chose to kill anybody they found alive as though every living thing in the village was the enemy and they could only think ‘kill them all.’… It was a lovely spring day, the almond trees were in bloom, the flowers were out and everywhere there was the stench of the dead, the thick smell of blood, and the terrible odor of the corpses burning in the quarry.”
–Yeshurun Shiff, assistant to David Shaltiel, commander of Jewish Haganah forces in Jerusalem
“… A total of more than 200 dead, men, women, and children…One was a woman who must have been eight months pregnant, hit in the stomach, with powder burns on her dress indicating she’d been shot point-blank.”
–Jacques de Reynier, Representative of the International Red Cross
“In the houses there were dead, in all about a hundred men, women and children. It was terrible. It was clear that the attackers had gone from house to house and shot the people at close range. I was a doctor in the German army for 5 years in World War I but I had not seen such a horrifying spectacle.”
–Dr. Alfred Engel, Red Cross worker
“What we saw were women, young children, and old men. What shocked us was at least two or three cases of old men dressed in women’s clothes. My conclusion was that what happened in the village so terrorized these old men that they knew being old men would not save them. They hoped that if they were seen as old women that would save them.”
–Yair Tsaban, was one of several youths tasked with burying the dead at Deir Yessin
Menachem Begin, one of the commanders overseeing the slaughter and who would one day become one of Israel’s Prime Ministers later remarked gloatingly that–
“The Arabs throughout the country were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives and this mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated.”
The slaughter in villages such as took place at Deir Yassin were done to affect the circumstances as they exist today–to rid Palestine of Gentiles so that Israel could be a “Jews only“ state in the exact fashion as described in the same Old Testament acting as a road map for all obnoxious, violent, narcissistic Jewish behavior seen not only today but throughout history. Despite the mountains of evidence in the form of photos and testimony, nevertheless in typical lying, obfuscating fashion Israel and her supporters continue to maintain as they have for the last 60 years that no massacres took place, that there was no Jewish plan to force the Arabs to leave and that the Palestinians fled because various Arab governments told them to leave.
Out of the horse’s mouth though the lies are laid bare. David Ben Gurion, Israel’s 1st Prime Minister who personally oversaw the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in 1948 spoke of what was to come decades before the Nakbah took place–
“In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Palestinian Arabs… Jewish power, which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out the transfer on a large scale…With compulsory transfer we would have a vast area for settlement…I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it…There are two issues here–1) sovereignty and 2) the removal of a certain number of Arabs, and we must insist on both of them.”
And indicating that violence was the only way to achieve this, Ben Gurion wrote years earlier that–
“It is impossible to imagine general evacuation without brutal compulsion. It would be very difficult to bring about resettlement of other Arab populations by transferring them voluntarily, whatever economic inducements are offered to them.”
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#625. To: wbales, AGAviator, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#623)
The BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares" explains how the branding of Islam, or any other enemy of empire for that matter, came about. It's a fascinating documentary, almost as good as "Century of Self." : )
It's rich in history, talks about the use of relion, stopping the peace process, corruption of ME leaders by the West, useful puppets, keeping the American sheeple pacified by manipulating the good vs. evil roots.
#626. To: AGAviator, Liberator, mirage, ratcat, bluegrass, wudidiz, christine, TwentyTwelve, Rotara, all (#620)
The numbers are similar for the intifada - where "bloodthirsty" "muslimaniacs" wantonly attacked with stones and chants the "pooooooooor little, armed to the teeth with modern weaponry, Israel®" for their simple heartfelt desire to steal the Palestinians water, land, and lives.
124 Israeli Children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,441 Palestinian Children have been killed by Israeli's since Sept. 29 2,000.
1,072 Israelis have been killed by Palestinians and at least 6,348 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli's since Sept. 29 2,000.
During Fiscal Year 2009 the United States is providing at least 7 million dollars per day in military aid to Israel and 0 dollars to Palestinians.
There is currently 1 Political Prisoner held by the Palestinians and minimally 7,383 held by the Israelis.
O Israeli homes have been destroyed by Palestinians and 24,145 Palestinian homes by the Israelis since 1967.
Israel currently has 223 Illegal Settlements on confiscated Palestinian Land and the Palestinians have 0 on "Israeli Land".
Uncounted here, overwhelmingly in Israel's favor, are the numbers of unprovoked massacres to drive inhabitants off of their own land e.g., Deir Yassim.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
#627. To: abraxas, wbales, AGAviator, Original_Intent, wudidiz, ratcat, Liberator, mirage, christine, all (#625)
The BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares" explains how the branding of Islam, or any other enemy of empire for that matter, came about. It's a fascinating documentary, almost as good as "Century of Self." : )
It's rich in history, talks about the use of relion, stopping the peace process, corruption of ME leaders by the West, useful puppets, keeping the American sheeple pacified by manipulating the good vs. evil roots.
Every time that there is a threat of a reasonable settlement and actual peace the Israelis will provoke the Palestinians into a violent response or engage in a False Flag event to derail it. The Israelis have become quite expert at this.
The thing people need to get is that THE ISRAELIS DO NOT WANT PEACE. At least not the upper tiers of Zionist society. With peace comes fixed borders and an end to Eretz Y'srael (Greater Israel as proposed by Theodore Herzl). The only peace the Israelis desire is total conquest to the Egyptian Border and complete subjugation (followed by more ethnic cleansing to rid the land of all those awkward native inhabitants).
I truly do wish I could say it was otherwise but it is not. The reality is that Zionism is an expansionist Political Philosophy which uses religion as a cover for its political objectives. The Israelis have one of the most sophisticated and effective propaganda machines on the planet. They have been able, for over 50 years, categorize Palestinian responses to Israeli aggression as Palestinian Aggression. Along with the use of the Holoco$t card to justify their actions the Israelis have literally gotten away with murder, and murder most foul.
"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
#629. To: Original_Intent, *Israeli Espionage* (#626)
For some--the inconvenient truth.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
And if we were talking about the hijackers, you'd have contributed to the conversation I was having. I suspect that the hijackers were not the only knuckleheads to engage in violence for Islam. Please try to stay on topic.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I suspect however that any large group of unemployed young men sitting idle in the desert most of their lives, under the reign of despots and tyrants, who cannot find a good purpose in life due to denied opportunity, will turn to the best port in the storm so to speak. In this case, it's Islam.
Actually the most notorious jihadists, including the key leaders of the 911 hijackings, were upper middle class and well-educated
And if we were talking about the hijackers, you'd have contributed to the conversation I was having. I suspect that the hijackers were not the only knuckleheads to engage in violence for Islam
What you "suspect" is not borne out by statements of people who actually have knowledge of the situation.
Anybody from Saudi Arabia ("the desert") who wants to participate in jihad must travel hundreds of miles to another country, and someone needs to pay these expenses. Furthermore Saudi Arabia imports workers like Filipinos and Shi'ites to do the more menial work because the Saudis think it's beneath them. If Saudis are unemployed it's by choice, and even those are from families who are not impoverished.
...it would be wise to hold off on enshrining as common wisdom the belief that madrassas are the main producers of nascent mujahideen. The first lies in some recent academic work. Marc Sageman, in his excellent book Understanding Terrorist Networks (Philadelphia, 2004), and Robert Pape, in his equally outstanding study Dying to Win (New York, 2005), demonstrate that few of the non-indigenous Islamist fighters the West is encountering in the Iraq and Afghan insurgencies are the products of madrassas. Both Sageman and Pape show that these fighters are, more often than not, young men educated in areas beyond the strictly religious studies that dominate the madrassas' curriculum. Many have studied sciences and engineering and hail from stable, middle-class families. In short, Sageman, Pape and a few other analysts have concluded after extensive research and statistical study that the largest number of foreign fighters who travel to participate in the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan are not madrassa graduates. (NB: The exception to this conclusion is Pakistan, where it seems likely that madrassas produce the majority of Pakistanis who join the Afghan insurgency.)
You're creating an argument out of thin air in order to argue (we used to call that creating a straw man).
The question was about Islam. I answered fairly and it reflects the situation for the average, in my estimation. You're trying to drum up a straw man about hijackers. I'm talking about the average guy sitting on the dust road in the desert. Two different scenarios. Of course religious fundamentalism can occur at any social strata, which was never in question.
Or is criticism of anything Islam forbidden now? Not that I offered much criticism of it, more rather, of the situation of a lot of guys sitting in the middle east.
If you want to make the case that Islam is inherently violent and evil, that's your issue, not mine.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Our President has stated that we are not a Christian nation.
To be fair, and don't take this wrong as I do NOT support Obama, had he said we are a Christian Nation, it would be construed as a violation of the US Constitution. Considering the fact that we have Freedom of Religion here, to say we are a Christian Nation would be like declaring Christianity the official Religion of the USA.
Some countries have official religions. In some of those countries, certain religions are against the law. China declared Atheism as it's official "religion" and forbade it's people from openly practicing any religion for a while. Things have changed a bit recently and they're not as strict with the anti-religion stuff as they used to be.
Even though the majority of Americans are Christian, there are many other religions here as well, so we are more of a multi-religous nation than simply a Christian Nation. JMHO
Islam and it's adherents are totally incompatible with Western Civilization because Islam has never modernized:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet (Mohammed) rule or live." - Sir Winston Churchill
“I studied the Kuran a great deal … I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammed.” - ALEXIS DE TOCQVILLE
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
“I studied the Kuran a great deal … I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammed.” - ALEXIS DE TOCQVILLE
A bump for the BLIND...
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.
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TRAITORS TO AMERICA SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Churchill, if still alive, would be banned from Parliament just like Geert Wilders has been. It's amazing that political correctness has rendered him to the edges of English schooling in the space of my lifetime alone.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
“I studied the Kuran a great deal … I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammed.” - ALEXIS DE TOCQVILLE
Did you retype that quote or copy it strait from something written by Tocqville?
I'm curious to know, because if he really studied the Qur'an a great deal, he would know how to spell the word as well as Muhammad's name, IMHO.
Happy Birthday, Jesus! Merry Christmas to everyone!
Mo'Ham'eds name has been spelled many ways over the centuries by many different authors.
_________________________________________________________________________ "This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Cults such as USBritraelism, muhammadanism, smithianism, marianism, et al make me ill to think the devil has such a STUPID pool to exploit...oy.
Merry Christmas to you...
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
The question was about Islam. I answered fairly and it reflects the situation for the average, in my estimation. You're trying to drum up a straw man about hijackers. I'm talking about the average guy sitting on the dust road in the desert. Two different scenario
I think you will find with most belief systems that people who are struggling to survive are too busy trying to survive to play major roles in the group's activities. People who are comfortable, but have higher aspirations take the leadership roles, and their followers are those who have just given up.
Maybe that's what you were getting at anyway.
Or is criticism of anything Islam forbidden now? Not that I offered much criticism of it, more rather, of the situation of a lot of guys sitting in the middle east.
A number of different studies have concluded that the profile of an international jihadi is a fairly well-educated young male, for what that is worth. People joining activities in their own back yard may come from a wider social strata than the internationalists.
If you want to make the case that Islam is inherently violent and evil, that's your issue, not mine.
It certainly has militant elements to it, however I consider that is in reaction to things that were done to certain people before Mohammed even existed.
The BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares" explains how the branding of Islam, or any other enemy of empire for that matter, came about. It's a fascinating documentary, almost as good as "Century of Self." : )
It's rich in history, talks about the use of relion, stopping the peace process, corruption of ME leaders by the West, useful puppets, keeping the American sheeple pacified by manipulating the good vs. evil roots.
Every time that there is a threat of a reasonable settlement and actual peace the Israelis will provoke the Palestinians into a violent response or engage in a False Flag event to derail it. The Israelis have become quite expert at this.
The thing people need to get is that THE ISRAELIS DO NOT WANT PEACE. At least not the upper tiers of Zionist society. With peace comes fixed borders and an end to Eretz Y'srael (Greater Israel as proposed by Theodore Herzl). The only peace the Israelis desire is total conquest to the Egyptian Border and complete subjugation (followed by more ethnic cleansing to rid the land of all those awkward native inhabitants).
I truly do wish I could say it was otherwise but it is not. The reality is that Zionism is an expansionist Political Philosophy which uses religion as a cover for its political objectives. The Israelis have one of the most sophisticated and effective propaganda machines on the planet. They have been able, for over 50 years, categorize Palestinian responses to Israeli aggression as Palestinian Aggression. Along with the use of the Holoco$t card to justify their actions the Israelis have literally gotten away with murder, and murder most foul.
"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
The process of mass expulsion was made all the more easy with massacres of entire villages, the details of which were then made known to outlying towns resulting in mass panic and subsequent flight. Of the more infamous massacres taking place was the slaughter at Deir Yassin, where Jewish terrorists butchered as many as 250 men, women and children, including–if it can be imagined–pregnant women who had their bellies slashed open with Jewish bayonets and their unborn children ripped out in what was a repeat performance of what the ancient Israelites did to the Tiphsahite women in the Old Testament as recounted in the Book of Kings. Some of the testimonies of those who witnessed and even participated in the slaughter at Deir Yassin have testified that–
“We eliminated every Arab that came our way.”
–Ben Zion Cohen, an Irgun commander
“I saw the horrors that the fighters had created. I saw bodies of women and children, who were murdered in their houses in cold blood by gunfire, with no signs of battle and not as the result of blowing up the houses. I have seen a great deal of war, but I never saw a sight like Deir Yassin.”
–Eliahu Arbel, Operations Officer in the Jewish Haganah
“The attackers chose to kill anybody they found alive as though every living thing in the village was the enemy and they could only think ‘kill them all.’… It was a lovely spring day, the almond trees were in bloom, the flowers were out and everywhere there was the stench of the dead, the thick smell of blood, and the terrible odor of the corpses burning in the quarry.”
–Yeshurun Shiff, assistant to David Shaltiel, commander of Jewish Haganah forces in Jerusalem
“… A total of more than 200 dead, men, women, and children…One was a woman who must have been eight months pregnant, hit in the stomach, with powder burns on her dress indicating she’d been shot point-blank.”
–Jacques de Reynier, Representative of the International Red Cross
“In the houses there were dead, in all about a hundred men, women and children. It was terrible. It was clear that the attackers had gone from house to house and shot the people at close range. I was a doctor in the German army for 5 years in World War I but I had not seen such a horrifying spectacle.”
–Dr. Alfred Engel, Red Cross worker
“What we saw were women, young children, and old men. What shocked us was at least two or three cases of old men dressed in women’s clothes. My conclusion was that what happened in the village so terrorized these old men that they knew being old men would not save them. They hoped that if they were seen as old women that would save them.”
–Yair Tsaban, was one of several youths tasked with burying the dead at Deir Yessin
Menachem Begin, one of the commanders overseeing the slaughter and who would one day become one of Israel’s Prime Ministers later remarked gloatingly that–
“The Arabs throughout the country were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives and this mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated.”
The slaughter in villages such as took place at Deir Yassin were done to affect the circumstances as they exist today–to rid Palestine of Gentiles so that Israel could be a “Jews only“ state in the exact fashion as described in the same Old Testament acting as a road map for all obnoxious, violent, narcissistic Jewish behavior seen not only today but throughout history. Despite the mountains of evidence in the form of photos and testimony, nevertheless in typical lying, obfuscating fashion Israel and her supporters continue to maintain as they have for the last 60 years that no massacres took place, that there was no Jewish plan to force the Arabs to leave and that the Palestinians fled because various Arab governments told them to leave.
Out of the horse’s mouth though the lies are laid bare. David Ben Gurion, Israel’s 1st Prime Minister who personally oversaw the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in 1948 spoke of what was to come decades before the Nakbah took place–
“In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Palestinian Arabs… Jewish power, which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out the transfer on a large scale…With compulsory transfer we would have a vast area for settlement…I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it…There are two issues here–1) sovereignty and 2) the removal of a certain number of Arabs, and we must insist on both of them.”
And indicating that violence was the only way to achieve this, Ben Gurion wrote years earlier that–
“It is impossible to imagine general evacuation without brutal compulsion. It would be very difficult to bring about resettlement of other Arab populations by transferring them voluntarily, whatever economic inducements are offered to them.”
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When confronted by reality, Israel Firsters usually start yelling names, cursing, throwing smear tactics, and complain to the management.
Here, the intellectual cowards simply disappear and must pretend they were never pinged.
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A) Tell me what you believe are the short-term or long-term consequences should Islam "shove Israel into the sea"?
There will be no long or short term consequences to me, my family, my community or my state. Therefore I don't give a damn. Israel is just a third world shit hole and is no different than any other third world shit hole.
B) Can you provide ANY solution (beside antipathetic indifference and derision) that helps empower We-The-People?
Empowers you to what? What exactly is it you want to do?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
'Nuff said, Sweetheart.
