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Title: Who'll stop the snow?
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URL Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/Paul ... 2009/12/20/wholl_stop_the_snow
Published: Dec 20, 2009
Author: Paul Jacob
Post Date: 2009-12-20 08:42:26 by Eric Stratton
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Views: 494
Comments: 55
Who'll stop the snow? People express this simple fact with markedly different emphasis and emotion. With joy, my 10-year old screeches it at the top of her lungs. My wife mutters it as if an invading army had just crossed the Potomac — perhaps from Copenhagen, where they had huddled to “do something” about the climate. This current burst of precipitation is no light dusting: We’ve received more than a foot of snow, and it’s still coming down, the air full of the swirling white stuff. I like snow. It excites me — in some part because I’m slow to appreciate new realities. I react just as I did in school (more than three decades ago): That is, a miracle has occurred, preventing the cruel teacher, world, you-name-it, from controlling my life as previously planned. But I’m not a schoolboy anymore. Snow or no snow, I have a column due Saturday evening, and so I must write. Yet, how can anyone sit still in their basement to write when snow pours out of the sky above? The fond memories of sledding with my daughters over the years, and making snowmen, cross my mind. I don’t even object to shoveling. It’s hard work, but it is also good exercise, leaving one with a firm sense of satisfaction, provided one avoids keeling over from a heart attack. Minutes ago I could have been found shoveling the driveway and the walk, and cleaning off the cars. The snow was coming down faster than I could shovel it out of the way, so I gave up. I guess “I can’t get me no satisfaction,” at least not until the snow lets up. But there is some serenity: I can easily accept that Mother Nature is more powerful than I am. (It’s an ancient wisdom: Do not fret about what you have no control over.) And there is nothing anyone can do about it — not President Obama, the federal Congress, the Supreme Court or the United Nations. For someone who perhaps works too much and plays too little, snow — especially a blizzard — reminds me that sometimes life tosses out curve balls, and that, when that happens, you have to go with the pitch. Hoping for a fastball right down the middle — or protesting the pitch — won’t stop it from breaking across the plate for a strike. Or help you hit it. So it is with snow. The flakes are like little whispers that “we’re not in control,” which is scary. But the message is reassuring, too, in signaling that the blowhards on television aren’t in control, either. It’s often said that timing is everything. I note this East Coast snow storm coincides with the end of the U.N. Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. In Copenhagen, the governments of 193 nations met to dicker over how to control the planet’s weather. On the last day of the event, President Barack Obama proclaimed a “meaningful and unprecedented breakthrough” as the United States, China, Brazil, India and South Africa agreed to a deal whereby developed countries will list voluntary emissions targets and wealthier countries pledged monetary aid to assist poorer countries in dealing with global warming. The Boston Globe reported that the accord was “not legally binding” and “falls short of even the most timid expectations of what would come out of the much-anticipated talks.” Obama himself admitted that this agreement “will not be sufficient” to micromanage the global thermostat or avoid the most serious effects of climate change. The Obama-negotiated deal attempts to limit global warming through the end of the 21st century to no more than 2 degrees Celsius over pre-industrial times, while some climate scientists now predict the rise will be 3 to 7 degrees. Will it work? Can governments around the world concentrate enough knowledge and direct enough sheer force — and, with it, muster up enough compliance — to manage the climate? Folks in Washington and Copenhagen say “Yes.” Folks shoveling the snow on my block think Mother Nature is not so easily legislated.
Paul Jacob
Sunday, December 20, 2009
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#1. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
Current Copenhagen weather - light snow, 25 feels like 12.
Current Conemhagen weather - light snow, 25 feels like 12.
Global Warming is a fact. Get over your idealistic and defensive posture.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Yeah, yeah. Now why not yammer about how "the science is settled" like Al Gore? Even in the face of the fraud that has been perpetrated with the missing, deleted emails and how it has been shown that they had to "fudge the facts" to make their "science" fit their theory?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Al Gore and all the politicians claiming fame don't influence my opinions; I regard these monsters as the scum of the Earth. But, it is inarguable that the Earth's average temperature is rising. With rising temperatures we are going to experience incredible changes in our own individual lifestyles. When government attempts methods of regulation of any issue, we are doomed.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Please elaborate on how it is inarguable that the earth's temperature is rising. Follow by explaining what the source of the warming is, then explain the Medieval Warm Period, where there wasn't a diesel engine to be found. Your appeal to authority is unconvincing.
Of course it is arguable and a good many scientists are doing just that. I tell you what you need to start working on and right away. See if you can get up with some of those pols you despise so much, the ones whose talking points you seem eager to make, and have a law created to stop volcanic eruptions. I have read before that the amount of greenhouse gasses produced by just ONE average eruption would be greater than all man has made in 100 years.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And the Roman warm period.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
First things first, it's not MAN MADE. If it were, then could you please explain how it is that Mars' frozen polar icecaps disappeared because its Mean Temperature went up, or how Jupiter's Temperature went up spawning a second super storm, when NO human beings live on those planets? The HOAX, and out right LIE of Global Warming being man made always seems to neglect to address other planets in our solar system experiencing similar climate shifts. As far as the polar icecaps melting, you are aware of these things called Volcanoes, exist UNDER the ocean, and under the polar ice, and that these volcanoes spew not only molten magma but CO2 as well right? They also do that crazy thing that molten magma does. It gives off LOTS AND LOTS OF SEARING HEAT. You know, the kind of heat that can only be replicated in the core of the earth? In excesses of 3000 degrees kind of heat? The global warming climate change liars are all useful idiots. All you do is preach how we need to use less, so those in power can have just a little more power and money to control you, as per their agenda. Which was to co-opt the green movement. Did you know that the whole Climate Change initiative will pay none other than Goldman And Sachs BILLIONS Of dollars? It's not about saving the earth. I assure you that climate is cyclical. One need look no further than to the Farmer's Almanac or the historical record for proof. The only agenda is to destroy people's prosperity, and to remove the wealth of the irresponsible many, and return it to the so called responsible few.
Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.
Blah blah blah. You don't say anything that is about the human species raping the planet. You act as though over breeding and burning the shit out of the place with nuclear bombs is as natural as taking a dump every day. You are another fucking fool.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
ROTFL.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Where is the evidence? He is right. An appeal to authority in a scientific argument is never valid. The data, measurements, and observations are at the heart of matters. No data = no valid argument. We know now that the data coming out of the CRU was cooked and cherry picked to fit the hypothesis not the hypothesis formulated to fit the data. Glowbull Warming is a scam which is being pushed to enrich, and increase the power of, the usual suspects.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Get out of your Lazy-Boy chair, OI. I want no such thing as government intervention of and/or about global warming phenomena much-less anything else. HELL, the rat bastards in Congress can't even decide how much they want to pay themselves while stripping every man, woman and child of their own dignity. Global Warming is a fact. And no legislative effort can stop the phenomena. Perhaps when the human population stops climbing geometrically, we can see some positive changes.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Asserting that something is a "fact" does not make it "a fact". Only evidence, cold hard data can do that. The evidence for Glowbull warming is the null set. The climate readings for the last ten years when you do not use the cooked data of CRU show averages within the norm. The "scientists" who have been heralding Glowbull Warming are now shown to be liars, cheats, and frauds. The Glowbull Warming hypothesis is NOT supported by the data. I'm not trying to play "me right" "you wrong". I go where the data takes me not what I am told to believe.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Do you think that I dismiss "facts" as the common layman? The phenomena is not a political issue based upon some Washington DC politician's opinion or even their electorate's opinions. The world is dying: even the resources that once shaped America's incredible rise upon the world's political landscape are diminishing.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
You are still making unproven assertions. You haven't explained the facts/proof behind your assertion that the earth is warming. Now I will assume you are referring to oil with this sentence above concerning the world's diminishing resources. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090910084259.htm http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/1130.html Please read these articles and consider the alternative: oil and hydrocarbons are abiotic. We know, for example, that Neptune, Jupiter and Saturn are gas giants, filled with hydrocarbons such as methane. Where did the methane and other hydrocarbons come from?
No it is not.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
As long as the world's population continues to expand (it is over 6.5Bn right now) the world's natural resources shall decline. What is so hard to believe is that there are folks on these chit-chat boards that believe there is an infinite amount of resources. Where do these silly ideas come from?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Yes it is. FACT: “Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
LOL oooo a chart starting in 1955, yeah that proves it. LOL
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Why are they silly? It is rather arrogant of you to denounce out of hand the abiotic theory. Did you read either of the articles or consider the Jovian dilemma? As far as we know, there are no dinosaurs or biomass on Jupiter, so where did the hydrocarbons come from? As far as the world's population increasing, 7 billion people could easily fit in the state of Texas with plenty of room for each person. The overpopulation myth is just that. The chart you posted, where does the data that populates the chart come from? If it comes from HadCrut or NASA it is tainted and can not be relied upon, and I doubt anyone on this forum will lend it any credence whatsoever.
I often wonder why you think this stuff is so funny. Still, I have the patience to indulge your appetite ... here goes: “Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Your using a climate model chart to validate your claims and you wonder why I find this funny? I talk to actual scientists about this, you know that.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I have heard this silly and preposterous argument way too often to even consider it plausible. Are you aware of what happens to individual rights when you pack piles of people together? The Earth can not sustain the ever increasing population base of humanity. And governments can't work out the issues either so forget your tooth faerie helping out in a pinch.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
WOW! You talk to real scientists? They aren't GODS and they can't determine the atrocious consequences of human over-breeding.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Chart seems to come from NOAA according to the link. Both McIntyre and Warwick Hughes did a great job of showing the data was cherry picked prior to the emails being released. The emails were pretty damning. Have you read this: I haven't gotten to it yet but my friends tell me it is a good one. I guess they have done a few lately on this topic.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Even assuming you are correct about human over breeding that has nothing to do with whether the planets climate has changed over the last three decades.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I am not advocating we do that. All I am saying is that the earth is NOT overpopulated. Care to take a stab at my other questions?
Indeed. Correlation is not causation.
It's not.
So when are you checking out? You must do your part for Earth. Or are you just a hypocrite? You overpopulation wackos need to do us all a favor, go to the moon. :)
God is always good!
I like breeding, buck. It's fun, rewarding and a most worthwhile endeavor. Not for everyone of course. I won't be guilted or shamed out of doing the most natural thing in life. To hell with the birth control nazis.
Be fruitful and multiply.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Growing government comes with growing population bases, study the differences in urban vs. rural government models. And with growing populations, natural resources are stripped to levels beyond capability to replenish the same.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Our population keeps growing, but we still have enough food to eat. Maybe we do things differently in the US.
Actually, the population base in America is stagnant with the singular exception of illegal aliens.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
What'd you call me? ;-)
*snickering*
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I assume since you haven't answered any of the questions I asked you you must be unable to. Keep spouting unprovable lunacy, we all need a good laugh in these trying times.
Yeah, fun, não é?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You talk about overpopulation and what do you do? Stick around sucking up air and taking up nutrients. Hypocrite.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. OH PSHAW! ... look at yourself as an example for all of mankind. You can save us by selling carbon credits before expelling any more significant gaseous leaks from any of your portals.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Oh, I do--every day. You should follow my example and not be snookered by folks like Gore and his ilk.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You make assumptions all the time. I don't believe in Al Gore or his phony stunt about politicizing global warming, just as his mockery concerning the invention of the Internet. Just because a charlatan such as Al Gore leads the charge of politicizing a major issue doesn't mean I believe him or anyone. Instead, I research the physical and natural science of the matter on my own. And the Earth's average temperature is heating up BECAUSE of human over-population and known by-products. If you think my own perspective agrees with his, how come he doesn't say the same?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Buck, everyone is entitled to their own opinion(s). No one is entitled to their own facts. When you consider that the amount of greenhouse gasses created by one--yeah, ONE--volcanic eruption is more than equal to anything that the whole human race could do in many years, even you should understand that man has very little to do with climate change. The climate changes all the time and it's a good thing. But you just keep on believing how the bad old people are all bent on destroying the earth and how there are too many of them, blah, blah, blah. Scientist: Earth Cooling, Not Warming Solar activity very closely matches not only recent global temperature changes but also historical changes for the past 1100 years. For instance, the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715) was an extremely cold period in which there was very little sunspot activity. Earlier, the Medieval Warm Period (950-1300) was a time when the Vikings colonised Greenland, now much of it covered in a thick ice-sheet. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You can't reason with people who are intellectually dishonest. They're called Liars for a reason. They all have the same agenda. Make sure that the elites have what they want at the expense of the rest of humanity. What's funny is that I bet Bucky didn't know that all that money that would be going to all those pathetic third world countries via the UN that we'd pay in taxes, would be funneled directly through Goldman And Sachs. Bucky is too dishonest to ever admit that he's a pawn, a useless pawn in a game that's all about enslavement of the human race.
Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.
Indeed. Good post Tommy.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. GIGO is only half the story. Anyone with a modicum of computer programming knowledge realizes that a computer model can be designed to give you any damned result you desire.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
The elitists have an answer for that too, and unless you're one of 'em you aint gonna like it.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
Can't help noticing your curve started a decline at roughly 1963, bottoming at about 1970 ..... precisely the time that the ice age Chicken-Littles got off on their last orgasm.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
I see you used Newsmax as a bona-fide source for your rebuttal. How sick.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
And I see you used nothing but your own (and Al Gore's) stupid theory and no news source at all. Why don't you just admit that you are an Al Gore acolyte and sycophant?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You are obsessed with Al Gore. You are a fool, a simpleton and a dolt.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
#2. To: Lod (#1)
lol
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#3. To: Lod (#1)
Current Copenhagen weather - light snow, 25 feels like 12.
#4. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
#5. To: buckeroo (#4)
Global Warming is a fact.
Lord Acton
#6. To: James Deffenbach (#5)
#7. To: buckeroo (#6)
But, it is inarguable that the Earth's average temperature is rising.
#8. To: buckeroo (#6)
But, it is inarguable that the Earth's average temperature is rising.
Lord Acton
#9. To: echo5sierra (#7)
then explain the Medieval Warm Period,
#10. To: buckeroo (#6)
#11. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#10)
#12. To: echo5sierra (#7)
Your appeal to authority is unconvincing.
#13. To: buckeroo, echo5sierra, all (#12)
#14. To: Original_Intent (#13)
#15. To: buckeroo (#14)
#16. To: Original_Intent (#15)
#17. To: buckeroo (#16)
The world is dying: even the resources that once shaped America's incredible rise upon the world's political landscape are diminishing.
#18. To: buckeroo (#14)
Global Warming is a fact.
#19. To: echo5sierra (#17)
#20. To: farmfriend (#18)
#21. To: buckeroo (#20)
#22. To: buckeroo (#19)
What is so hard to believe is that there are folks on these chit-chat boards that believe there is an infinite amount of resources. Where do these silly ideas come from?
#23. To: farmfriend (#21)
#24. To: buckeroo (#23)
#25. To: echo5sierra (#22)
As far as the world's population increasing, 7 billion people could easily fit in the state of Texas with plenty of room for each person. The overpopulation myth is just that.
#26. To: farmfriend (#24)
#27. To: echo5sierra, buckeroo (#22)
The chart you posted, where does the data that populates the chart come from? If it comes from HadCrut or NASA it is tainted and can not be relied upon, and I doubt anyone on this forum will lend it any credence whatsoever.
#28. To: buckeroo (#26)
#29. To: farmfriend (#24)
#30. To: buckeroo (#25)
I have heard this silly and preposterous argument way too often to even consider it plausible. Are you aware of what happens to individual rights when you pack piles of people together? The Earth can not sustain the ever increasing population base of humanity. And governments can't work out the issues either so forget your tooth faerie helping out in a pinch.
#31. To: farmfriend, buckeroo (#28)
Even assuming you are correct about human over breeding that has nothing to do with whether the planets climate has changed over the last three decades.
#32. To: echo5sierra, buckeroo (#30)
All I am saying is that the earth is NOT overpopulated.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#33. To: buckeroo (#30)
The Earth can not sustain the ever increasing population base of humanity.
#34. To: buckeroo, farmfriend (#26)
...atrocious consequences of human over-breeding.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#35. To: wudidiz (#34)
I like breeding, buck. It's fun, rewarding and a most worthwhile endeavor.
#36. To: echo5sierra (#31)
Correlation is not causation.
#37. To: buckeroo (#36)
Growing government comes with growing population bases, study the differences in urban vs. rural government models. And with growing populations, natural resources are stripped to levels beyond capability to replenish the same.
#38. To: echo5sierra (#37)
#39. To: farmfriend (#35)
fruitful
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#40. To: wudidiz (#39)
#41. To: buckeroo (#38)
#42. To: wudidiz (#34)
I like breeding, buck. It's fun, rewarding and a most worthwhile endeavor.
Lord Acton
#43. To: buckeroo (#25)
The Earth can not sustain the ever increasing population base of humanity.
Lord Acton
#44. To: James Deffenbach (#43)
#45. To: buckeroo (#44)
look at yourself as an example for all of mankind.
Lord Acton
#46. To: James Deffenbach (#45)
#47. To: buckeroo (#46)
And the Earth's average temperature is heating up BECAUSE of human over-population and known by-products.
Atmospheric temperature is regulated by the sun, which fluctuates in activity as shown in Figure 3; by the greenhouse effect, largely caused by atmospheric water vapor (H2O); and by other phenomena that are more poorly understood. While major greenhouse gas H2O substantially warms the Earth, minor greenhouse gases such as CO2 have little effect, as shown in Figures 2 and 3. The 6-fold increase in hydrocarbon use since 1940 has had no noticeable effect on atmospheric temperature or on the trend in glacier length.
CLIMATE CHANGE: It's official: the world is cooling, not warming
WTF, Buck? Did the Vikings cause global warming with all that old diesel fuel they used in their boats? No, I didn't think so. Maybe it was all their SUV's and stuff--reckon that was it?
Lord Acton
#48. To: James Deffenbach (#47)
#49. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#48)
You can't reason with people who are intellectually dishonest.
Lord Acton
#50. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, echo5sierra, ALL (#13)
We know now that the data coming out of the CRU was cooked and cherry picked
#51. To: buckeroo (#19)
As long as the world's population continues to expand (it is over 6.5Bn right now) the world's natural resources shall decline.
#52. To: buckeroo (#20)
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#47)
#54. To: buckeroo (#53)
I see you used Newsmax as a bona-fide source for your rebuttal. How sick.
Lord Acton
#55. To: James Deffenbach (#54)
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