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Title: 46% Say Airport Security Procedures Not Strict Enough [Pinch Up!]
Source: Rasmussen Reports
URL Source: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub ... y_procedures_not_strict_enough
Published: Dec 31, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-12-31 11:46:22 by Eric Stratton
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46% Say Airport Security Procedures Not Strict Enough
Monday, December 28, 2009
Following the failed terrorist attempt to blow up an airliner landing in Detroit on Christmas Day, Americans are a lot less critical of airport security procedures.
In fact, a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 46% of U.S. voters believe current airport security procedures are not strict enough, a 13-point increase from April 2008. Just 11% say they are too strict.
Thirty-seven percent (37%) of voters believe the current level of airport security is about right. Women feel more strongly than men that U.S. airport security procedures are not strict enough.
Republicans are more inclined to agree than Democrats and voters not affiliated with either major party.
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#1. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
Airport security procedures are not nearly strict enough for Muslims, and far, far too strict for non-Muslims.

freeedom posted on 2009-12-31 11:49:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: freeedom (#1)
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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)
Eric Stratton posted on 2009-12-31 12:55:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: freeedom (#1) (Edited)
You are politically incorrect. Please report to your nearest Eli Wiesenthal Tolerance Campus for futher indoct...err, re-education.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-12-31 12:58:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
Got 'em beat.
I dont fly any more.
Wait til some winner takes his small private airplane and rams an airliner.
Cant protect everyone, all the time.

Cynicom posted on 2009-12-31 12:59:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
Got 'em beat.
I dont fly any more.
Wait til some winner takes his small private airplane and rams an airliner.
Cant protect everyone, all the time.

Good point.

PaulCJ posted on 2009-12-31 13:09:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Cynicom (#4)
I dont fly any more.

Cyni,
Take it from me, just load up with Viagra and whip those pants down when instructed.
Trust me, you won't be flying alone.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-12-31 13:32:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
Americans are a lot less critical of airport security procedures

Stop the insanity!! Yeah, more goobermint restrictions will save the day. That's the ticket. More waste and delay. Bring on the bogus security schmucks peeking into our luggage and conducting full body scans will do the trick. Take your shoes off, leave your shampoo at home and lick nanny state boots.
Solve this issue with simplicity. Every pilot packing heat and schooled in using his/her firearm. I'd even go so far as arming the stewardesses. Cheaper and far more effective than adding on more nanny state to regulate the majority of law abiding citizens.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2009-12-31 15:52:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: abraxas (#7)
Solve this issue with simplicity. Every pilot packing heat and schooled in using his/her firearm. I'd even go so far as arming the stewardesses. Cheaper and far more effective than adding on more nanny state to regulate the majority of law abiding citizens.

Why just arm the flight attendants? I believe that anyone who can legally own a gun--21 or older, no criminal record and no record of mental illness--should be allowed to bring their own handgun on a plane. It was not all that many years ago that they could. Just in my lifetime you could order guns through the mail and no one thought anything of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-12-31 16:01:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: James Deffenbach (#8)
Why just arm the flight attendants? I believe that anyone who can legally own a gun--21 or older, no criminal record and no record of mental illness--should be allowed to bring their own handgun on a plane. It was not all that many years ago that they could. Just in my lifetime you could order guns through the mail and no one thought anything of it.

Because I believe that a private airline has a right to defend their property as they see fit. Arming the employees is the best way to accomplish this goal. They fly inter-state and international where the CCW laws no longer apply for the average citizen. Also, they would need to have bullets that can kill but not blow a hole in the plane--special order. Your average Joe would not have this sort of bullet handy, nor even be aware of the dangers of blowing a hole in the plane.
I'm for my 2A all the way, James. You know that. But, let's face it, not all who carry are bright enough to be trusted at 30K feet in an aircraft because they will not necessarily understand that the bullet in the pistol could bring that plane down.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2009-12-31 16:23:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: abraxas (#9)
I'm for my 2A all the way, James. You know that. But, let's face it, not all who carry are bright enough to be trusted at 30K feet in an aircraft because they will not necessarily understand that the bullet in the pistol could bring that plane down.

I used to be a member of another board and we had at least one member who was a pilot--if I remember correctly either FED EX or UPS--and he said that people who thought you could bring down a plane with a bullet from a handgun, with what he laughingly called "explosive decompression," had been watching too many James Bond movies. I wish I had copied and kept his post but I just have it in my memory. If I am remembering his post correctly he said that there was a little hole in the fuselage of the plane, in the area of the cockpit, and that they propped it open with a pencil or something when they wanted to smoke.
But I would certainly agree that the pilots and flight attendants should be armed. I don't know why anyone should have to give up the right to defend themselves because of the method of transportation they choose.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-12-31 16:37:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: James Deffenbach (#10)
he said that people who thought you could bring down a plane with a bullet from a handgun, with what he laughingly called "explosive decompression," had been watching too many James Bond movies.

lol......maybe so. That happened in Goldfinger if I remember correctly. : )
I agree on principal with giving up the right to defend ourselves based on transportation. But long ago, we allowed states to dictate who could and who could not defend themselves. If I hop in the car to go to California I can't legally carry despite having a CCW. It's ridiculous.....but we have allowed this infringement and it will be a hell of a battle to turn it around again. But I'm ready and willing to fight.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2009-12-31 16:49:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: abraxas (#9)
a private airline has a right to defend their property as they see fit

After 9/11, didn't many airlines take bigtime $ from Congress to keep them out of banqruptcy? Those that did so are no longer "private" airlines. Also airlines require licensing by the FAA so they need to abide by gov't requirements or licensing might become a hassle.
That's not to justify gov't meddling in private airlines' business but only to point out why airlines "choose" to comply with gov't regs and requirements.

scrapper2 posted on 2009-12-31 16:49:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: scrapper2 (#12)
After 9/11, didn't many airlines take bigtime $ from Congress to keep them out of banqruptcy? Those that did so are no longer "private" airlines

I forgot about that hand out, Scrapper. So many hand outs, so little time. What the hell is still private anymore? We should have let them all fail and refused to subsidize.....but that's just not the Fascist Way.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2009-12-31 16:55:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: James Deffenbach, all (#10)
I used to be a member of another board and we had at least one member who was a pilot--if I remember correctly either FED EX or UPS--and he said that people who thought you could bring down a plane with a bullet from a handgun, with what he laughingly called "explosive decompression," had been watching too many James Bond movies.

Correct.
During our adventure in the jungle I did enough dollar and dime repairs on the skins of C-130s to assure you that a round though the skin will NOT down a plane.
There can be problems if a round strikes an electrical or hydraulic line. But nothing to make the plane fall from the sky like a rock.

Lod posted on 2009-12-31 17:10:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Lod, James Deffenbach (#14)
Correct.

lol.....I've been duped by Goldfinger.

I'd like to dedicate this song.........
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2009-12-31 17:15:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: abraxas (#11)
I agree on principal with giving up the right to defend ourselves based on transportation. But long ago, we allowed states to dictate who could and who could not defend themselves. If I hop in the car to go to California I can't legally carry despite having a CCW. It's ridiculous.....but we have allowed this infringement and it will be a hell of a battle to turn it around again. But I'm ready and willing to fight.

Yeah, many of the problems Americans face today can be laid at the feet of those who were living during the time of Woodrow Wilson.* If his mother had pinched his head off or some good citizen had taken him out Americans might not have been enslaved by the bankers and their incorrectly applied tax (the so-called "income" tax).
And not just him. The members of the Supreme Court who went the wrong way in the Juilliard v Greenman decision (1884, a legal tender case). They are the ones who paved the way for the Federal Reserve to promote the fiction that paper was money. There was one dissenter in that case (Justice Field)* and I applaud him. The rest of them should have been hanged.
To read Justice Field's dissent, click here.
And, if you have time this is a good read:
A PLEA FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES Wounded in the House of Its Guardians
George Bancroft, 1884
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-12-31 17:19:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Lod (#14)
There can be problems if a round strikes an electrical or hydraulic line. But nothing to make the plane fall from the sky like a rock.

Sure. Bad ju ju to disable the hydraulic or electrical system.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-12-31 17:21:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: abraxas (#15)
lol.....I've been duped by Goldfinger.

We all make mistakes.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-12-31 17:22:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: James Deffenbach. all (#18)
Unless hit with a SAM, or more serious weapon, our aircraft are pretty resilient vessels.
A pistol will not, in 99.999p/c of the times bring one down.

Lod posted on 2009-12-31 20:58:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: Lod (#19)
Unless hit with a SAM, or more serious weapon, our aircraft are pretty resilient vessels.

That's why a lot of this bs at the airport doesn't make a lot of sense. A real terrorist with connections could get a stinger, never set foot on airport property, and blow a plane out of the sky.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-12-31 21:04:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: James Deffenbach (#20)
A real terrorist with connections could get a stinger, never set foot on airport property, and blow a plane out of the sky.

Or on the ground.
This TSA/DHS crap is for the truly weak-minded among us.
How many billions of dollars each year is this goofiness costing us?

Lod posted on 2009-12-31 21:50:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Lod (#21)
How many billions of dollars each year is this goofiness costing us?

Way too much and it is all just as useless as the government itself.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2009-12-31 21:51:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: James Deffenbach (#20)
A real terrorist with connections could get a stinger, never set foot on airport property, and blow a plane out of the sky

And if they were Gore-aks they'd sing about it:
"Come pay the tax on my beautiful vision, you dirty creep!"
La-la-la-ladi-di-didi-todoto-to-to...
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Dakmar posted on 2009-12-31 22:00:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: abraxas (#15)
Yes.
Beware the goldfinger.
Especially when going in for your annual procto-exam.

Lod posted on 2009-12-31 22:32:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
I guess they all want to be body searched before being allowed to board a plane. Might be good to have some MRIs just to be sure everything is OK. And then for their added protection, no one can use the bathroom at all ever on the plane! And it might be good for everyone to travel naked too. Kind of hard to hide a bomb then.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2010-01-01 0:25:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
Just stop supporting the Israeli criminal state and its terrorism against Palestinians and no more security will be needed at airports than at shopping malls.

Tatarewicz posted on 2010-01-01 1:21:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Cynicom (#4)
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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)
Eric Stratton posted on 2010-01-01 8:50:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: abraxas (#7)
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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)
Eric Stratton posted on 2010-01-01 8:52:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: RickyJ (#25)
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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)
Eric Stratton posted on 2010-01-01 8:56:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Lod (#24)
Beware the goldfinger.
Especially when going in for your annual procto-exam.

Thanks Loddy. I always thought I was supposed to beware of COLDfinger and all the while never realized the real threat was Goldfinger.........lol.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-01-01 11:45:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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