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Title: Deforestation Unveils Lost Amazon Civilization
Source: Discovery.com
URL Source: http://news.discovery.com/earth/def ... -lost-amazon-civilization.html
Published: Jan 7, 2010
Author: Michael Reilly
Post Date: 2010-01-08 23:03:43 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 11403
Comments: 96

Who would've thought deforestation had an upside?

Satellite flyovers of newly cleared land in the Amazon have uncovered a vanished civilization that could rival the Incans or Aztecs in sophistication.

Researchers found mysterious geometric trenches and other earthworks carved into the landscape as early as a decade ago, but satellites have paved the way for the discovery of over 200 giant structures.

Writing in the journal Antiquity, the researchers say the the formations stretch for some 250 kilometers (155 miles) across the upper Amazon basin east of the Andes mountains and appear to be of a similar style throughout, suggesting one vast, united civilization that could have totaled some 60,000 inhabitants.

Researchers also found stone tools, bits of ceramics, and other artifacts buried in mounds along the trenches. So far, the uncovered areas date to between 200 and 1283 A.D., but the team thinks they've seen "no more than a tenth" of the true extent of this archeological wonder. More from an article which appeared Tuesday in the Guardian:

"These revelations are exploding our perceptions of what the Americas really looked liked before the arrival of Christopher Columbus," said David Grann, author of "The Lost City of Z," a book about an attempt in the 1920s to find signs of Amazonian civilizations. "The discoveries are challenging long-held assumptions about the Amazon as a Hobbesian place where only small primitive tribes could ever have existed, and about the limits the environment placed on the rise of early civilisations."

ElDorado2 They are also vindicating, said Grann, Percy Fawcett, the explorer who partly inspired Conan Doyle's book "The Lost World."

Fawcett led an expedition to find the City of Z but the party vanished, bequeathing a mystery.

Many scientists saw the jungle as too harsh to sustain anything but small nomadic tribes. Now it seems the conquistadores who spoke of "cities that glistened in white" were telling the truth.

They, however, probably also introduced the diseases that wiped out the native people, leaving the jungle to claim – and hide – all traces of their civilization.


Poster Comment:

Who would've thought deforestation had an upside?

There is no upside. The planet is unquestionably dying with the Arctic melting, the destruction of coral reefs and the average temperature climbing at rates that demand a complete stop to deforestation releasing CO2.

I strongly recommend that for the preservation of all mankind that we consider methods of conservation quickly.

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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)

Thank god they were found. Their ancient sages have much to teach. Like using leaves to wipe, brushing one's tooth with a twig bi-weekly and stealing Intertube signals from near by cities.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-08   23:14:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#0)

Wait... You're serious? You think the planet is dying?

Maybe your planet, but the one I'm living on isn't. It's doing just fine, and when all of us crazy little humans are dead and gone, it'll still be here flourishing.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-08   23:15:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#2)

You think the planet is dying?

Yes. No question about it. Here is one chart describing deforestation:

The forest is not being hauled away to make lumber. It is being burned; that series of manmade processes releases CO2 into the environment.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-08   23:24:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Thank god they were found.

2012 is your style, Jethro? I thought you were happy with "Y2K" phenomena.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-08   23:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#0)



No CO2 increase in last 150 years

The trend since 1850 has been "essentially zero"

31 Dec 09 - New research finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades, contrary to some recent studies. See entire article" www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm


"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   0:42:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#5)

ScienceDaily (Dec. 31, 2009) — Most of the carbon dioxide emitted by human activity does not remain in the atmosphere, but is instead absorbed by the oceans and terrestrial ecosystems. In fact, only about 45 percent of emitted carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere.

However, some studies have suggested that the ability of oceans and plants to absorb carbon dioxide recently may have begun to decline and that the airborne fraction of anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions is therefore beginning to increase.

Many climate models also assume that the airborne fraction will increase. Because understanding of the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide is important for predicting future climate change, it is essential to have accurate knowledge of whether that fraction is changing or will change as emissions increase.

To assess whether the airborne fraction is indeed increasing, Wolfgang Knorr of the Department of Earth Sciences at the University of Bristol reanalyzed available atmospheric carbon dioxide and emissions data since 1850 and considers the uncertainties in the data.

In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

The research is published in Geophysical Research Letters.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   0:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)

Get a clue from your own posts, will ya?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   0:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeroo, farmfriend, wudidiz, Lod, James Deffenbach, all (#0)

We do need desperately to clean up the environment, but CO2 is a false flag environmental scam.

The real problems are (not that this is all of them):

The dumping of radioactive waste in the ocean.

The growing dead spots in the ocean.

The massive amounts of toxic plastics, garbage, etc., dumped in the ocean.

Overfishing the oceans (along with rising mercury levels in fish making them toxic as food).

Toxic waste dumping by industrial companies.

Mercury Poisoning from Power Plants, Mining, and industrial waste.

GMO Frankenfood Plants toxifying the entire food chain.

The high levels of pharmaceuticals showing up in waste water and eventually finding their way into the environment.

The use of inefficient internal combustion engines - the mileage of which could be minimally doubled with some of the suppressed technology.

Coal Fired Power Plants dumping carbon soot, sulfur compounds, and mercury into the air.

We may have already passed the tipping point to environmental catastrophe, and CO2/Glowbull Warming is nothing more than a diversion from the real problems that need solution yesterday.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   0:52:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#7)

In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   0:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#8)

The real problems are (not that this is all of them):

The dumping of radioactive waste in the ocean.

The growing dead spots in the ocean.

The massive amounts of toxic plastics, garbage, etc., dumped in the ocean.

Overfishing the oceans (along with rising mercury levels in fish making them toxic as food).

Toxic waste dumping by industrial companies.

Mercury Poisoning from Power Plants, Mining, and industrial waste.

GMO Frankenfood Plants toxifying the entire food chain.

The high levels of pharmaceuticals showing up in waste water and eventually finding their way into the environment.

The use of inefficient internal combustion engines - the mileage of which could be minimally doubled with some of the suppressed technology.

Coal Fired Power Plants dumping carbon soot, sulfur compounds, and mercury into the air.

Thank you O_I for coming forward on very important issues confronting ALL of us.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   0:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#9)

All he says is that anthropogenic contributions have little contributions based upon his research. The FACT remains: CO2 emissions are CLIMBING at a rapid rate over the past 150 years.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo, farmfriend, James Deffenbach (#11)

Based on what evidence from a legitimate and untainted source?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   1:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, Lod (#11)

All he says is that anthropogenic contributions have little contributions based upon his research. The FACT remains: CO2 emissions are CLIMBING at a rapid rate over the past 150 years.

Over all CO2 has increased as have the sinks. While man may have increased emissions the percentage contributed by man has not changed. Moreover, there is no evidence that an increase in CO2, whether anthropogenic or natura, is bad. There is historic evidence that higher CO2 levels are good actually as are warmer temperatures.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#12)

Based on what evidence from a legitimate and untainted source?

Are you saying that CO2 is not climbing in concentrations around the world? Well, it certainly is. Look over any urban city AROUND the world in modern western cultures ... and do you note: automobile exteriors (over a few years) look old and fragmented?

It is because of the CO2 concentrations in that same local proximity. The CO2 concentrations in combination with both sulfur and chloride in the atmosphere create acids; creating acid rain, covering the automobile exteriors rotting away the otherwise beautiful appearance of a fine assemblyline modern machine.

Just as the same in the oceans and the seas around the world destroying the balances of nature there.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:20:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: farmfriend (#13)

There is historic evidence that higher CO2 levels are good actually as are warmer temperatures.

Where? Israel and Washington DC, filled with hot-aire?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo, farmfriend (#14)

I will concede the point that possibly CO2 levels have shown a modest increase.

However, as farmfriend points out there is no evidence that it is necessarily a bad thing. The Earth has historically had much higher levels of CO2 than are currently in the atmosphere.

We're still here.

Imagine that.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   1:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#15)

Where? Israel and Washington DC, filled with hot-aire?

The renaissance, the Roman period and the proliferation of the Vikings were all done under warmer conditions.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:31:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#16)

We're still here.

And so are the corals!


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#0)

Many scientists saw the jungle as too harsh to sustain anything but small nomadic tribes. Now it seems the conquistadores who spoke of "cities that glistened in white" were telling the truth.

This was a very extensive civilization and they created a soil that we can not duplicate today. We are trying though.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:34:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#16)

I will concede the point that possibly CO2 levels have shown a modest increase.

Thank you. Increasingly, you are becoming a someone that I can chat with objectively. One of the benefits of chit-chat web-sites is that if we show a sense of respect for each other, irrespective of opinion, it is possible to be friends.

And that is a sincere objective of mine. I am a degreed engineer with a MSEE in the electrical/electronics world. And I have no need to state that I am an expert in geophysics. But, I must say basic chemistry suggests there are many free atoms combining and making compounds and solutions and when man releases the genie ... we are seeing the impact around the world.

In America, we are blessed for the most part. Still, there is a HUGE water shortage confronting the SouthWest. It is undeniable, that overpopulation in conjunction with random methods of industry to make a buck have created a dying planet.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: farmfriend (#17)

The renaissance, the Roman period and the proliferation of the Vikings were all done under warmer conditions.

Those times did not have the natural resource extractions that we see today. During those times, maybe 100,000,000 people around the world? And today ... 6.7Bn? BIG_DIFFERENCE.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#21)

Actually I think populations were higher than we know.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:45:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: farmfriend (#22)

Please explain. Please remember, natural resource extraction is proportionate to population levels.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: farmfriend, buckeroo, wudidiz (#19)

Many scientists saw the jungle as too harsh to sustain anything but small nomadic tribes. Now it seems the conquistadores who spoke of "cities that glistened in white" were telling the truth.

This was a very extensive civilization and they created a soil that we can not duplicate today. We are trying though.

They did some other interesting stuff apparently with plants.

Take for example the Banana. It has no seeds and the plant produces no seeds. It is propagated solely by root cuttings. Bananas are, by the way, a perfect food. You can subsist on nothing but Bananas and water and not suffer any dietary deficiencies.

Amaranth, the grain of the Incas, is the only grain, so far as I am aware, that has ALL essential amino acids.

I'm sure there are likely others but those are the two I am aware of.

As well is the scale and sophistication of the structures. The largest Pyramid, found outside of Mexico City, is EIGHT miles around at the base. By way of comparison the Pentagram is only 5 miles around.

There are things in the Amazon Basin which no modern man has seen up close and lived. The natives in the area are, based on their legends and such, very protective of them. If you try to visit them they will kill you as it is sacred ground.

Landsat photos of one area in the Amazon jungle spotted a group of Pyramidal "hills" that are identical in form to the Egyptian Pyramids. Click Here for Link to Photos

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   1:53:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#23)

Please explain. Please remember, natural resource extraction is proportionate to population levels.

Clarification, I'm not sure what it is you wish me to explain.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: farmfriend (#25)

Actually I think populations were higher than we know.

Post#22.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#24)

Aricle link

Dark secret of the soil hints at Amazon kingdoms

High along bluffs overlooking the confluence of the mighty Negro and Solomues rivers, super-sized eggplants, papayas and cassava are flourishing.

Their exuberance defies a long-held belief about the Amazon. For much of the last half-century, archaeologists have viewed the South American rainforest as a "counterfeit paradise" whose inhospitable environment precluded the development of complex societies.

But new research suggests that prehistoric people found ways to overcome the jungle's natural limitations and thrive in large numbers.

The secret, say the theory's proponents, is in the ground under their feet. The fertile soil called terra preta do indio, Portuguese for Indian black earth, was either intentionally created by these pre-Columbian people or is the accidental by-product of their presence.

The research has implications not only for history but for the future of the Amazon rainforest. If scientists could discover how the indigenous populations transformed the soil, farmers could use the technology to maximise the productivity of smaller plots of land, rather than cutting down ever larger swathes of jungle. The benefits of this "gift from the past" are already known to farmers in the area, who plant crops wherever they find terra preta.

"It's made by pre-Columbian Indians and it's still fertile," said Bruno Glaser, a soil chemist from the University of Bayreuth in Germany, who took samples of terra preta recently near the jungle town of Iranduba. "If we knew how to do this it would be a model for agriculture in the whole region."

This specially modified soil is scattered across millions of hectares in the rainforest, in some areas comprising 10 per cent of the ground area. It is typically packed with potsherds and other signs of human habitation.

"We believe there weren't just tribal societies here, but rather, complex chiefdoms, and we're providing the proof," said James Petersen, an archaeologist at the University of Vermont who has spent the past decade working in the Brazilian Amazon.

His team of American and Brazilian archaeologists has excavated more than 60 sites rich in terra preta near the jungle city of Manaus, where the Negro and Solomues rivers merge to form the Amazon River proper.

The archaeologists also cite evidence of giant plazas, bridges, roads and defensive ditches. The earliest signs of large, sedentary populations appear to coincide with the beginnings of terra preta.

"Something happened 2500 years ago, and we don't know what," said a Brazilian archaeologist, Eduardo Neves.


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farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   2:01:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo, farmfriend, wudidiz, Lod, James Deffenbach, all (#23)

Please explain. Please remember, natural resource extraction is proportionate to population levels.

The ruins buried in the jungles are extensive and very sophisticated. There are all sorts of interesting anomalies and artefacts.

For example Guatemala is criss crossed with a very sophisticated canal system which no one even knew was there, buried as it was in jungle, until the satelite photos taken from above highlighted the lines of the canals and on site investigation confirmed their existence.

Another interesting tidbit is that as much as China, and the Chinese, revere Jade China has no Jade mines whatsoever. However, Guatemala does and they have been worked extensively in prehistory.

Strange Stone Spheres have turned up in central america, some larger in diameter than a man. Even more puzzling is that they are smooth and they are perfectly true spheres.Link Why they were made no one knows. Who made them no one knows. Some Archaeologists have tried to credit them to the Olmecs but there is no real evidence to support that.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   2:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#26)

Post#22.

That much I understand. I'm unclear as to what you are after.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   2:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#24)

Take for example the Banana. It has no seeds and the plant produces no seeds.

Nice try, pal.

But you are talking about those varieties that mankind has cultured for the world markets. Wild bananas, as all fruits are naturally seed bearing plants.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   2:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, wudidiz, Lod, James Deffenbach (#28)

The ruins buried in the jungles are extensive and very sophisticated.

That's the thing, it isn't just the South American jungles. There is evidence of extensive populations in North America, Anchor Wat etc. Every time we say there couldn't have been that many people someplace evidence comes up to bite us in the butts. That's why I think populations were higher than we know.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   2:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: farmfriend (#27)

Thank you very much. I was not familiar with that and it is very very interesting. Advanced Agriculture is one of the signs of an advanced culture. Advanced Agriculture also produces surpluses which permit higher level activities than just scratching out subsistence. One can infer from it scribes, tradesmen, etc., ... All the things necessary for what we call civilization.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   2:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: farmfriend (#29)

How were populations HIGHER than anyone knows? Where are the records?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   2:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#33)

Where are the records?

Well if there were records we would know now wouldn't we? What part of "I think" did you not understand?

And there are some records. There are records of the high populations in the Amazon but we didn't believe them. Not there is archeological evidence as well. Same with North America, Anchor Wat etc.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   2:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: farmfriend (#31)

That's why I think populations were higher than we know.

And also technologically much more sophisticated. A lot of the structures imply knowledge of higher level mathematics such as Circular Trigonometry which the mainstream historians and archaeologists claim was not invented until the 17th Century. Yet the Piri Reis Map appears to have been based on older maps which by their construction demonstrate a knowledge of Spherical Trigonometry. As well, tantalizingly, the Piri Reis Map shows the coastline of Antarctica. The significance of that is that it is shown free of ice which implies an age for the source maps that Piri Reis copied from of at least 10,000 B.C.. We did not map the coastline, and it was done with sounding equipment, until the International Geophysical Year of 1958-59.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   2:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Original_Intent (#35) (Edited)

The significance of that is that it is shown free of ice which implies an age for the source maps that Piri Reis copied from of at least 10,000 B.C..

And the Sphinx is evidence of not only a wetter, possible warmer climate, but also advance civilization at about 10,500 BC.

There is also the new evidence of extensive trade between continents as well.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   2:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: farmfriend (#34)

What part of "I think" did you not understand?

I don't know why you believe your own publickly declared comment is all. You haven't substantiated your hypothesis or otherwise as i like to consider: known as, "GUT_DETERMINED_IDEA."

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   2:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#37)

The archeology points in that direction.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   2:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: All (#38)

Hey guys, as much as I am enjoying this I'm wiped from this week. Neighbor's dog makes sleep difficult. I'm going to head to bed before I turn into a pumpkin.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   2:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: farmfriend (#36)

And the Sphinx is evidence of not only a wetter, possible warmer climate, but also advance civilization at about 10,500 BC.

There is also the new evidence of extensive trade between continents as well.

Can you find a resource other than WorldNetDaily and NEWSMAX to support this stuff?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   2:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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