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Title: Deforestation Unveils Lost Amazon Civilization
Source: Discovery.com
URL Source: http://news.discovery.com/earth/def ... -lost-amazon-civilization.html
Published: Jan 7, 2010
Author: Michael Reilly
Post Date: 2010-01-08 23:03:43 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 11413
Comments: 96

Who would've thought deforestation had an upside?

Satellite flyovers of newly cleared land in the Amazon have uncovered a vanished civilization that could rival the Incans or Aztecs in sophistication.

Researchers found mysterious geometric trenches and other earthworks carved into the landscape as early as a decade ago, but satellites have paved the way for the discovery of over 200 giant structures.

Writing in the journal Antiquity, the researchers say the the formations stretch for some 250 kilometers (155 miles) across the upper Amazon basin east of the Andes mountains and appear to be of a similar style throughout, suggesting one vast, united civilization that could have totaled some 60,000 inhabitants.

Researchers also found stone tools, bits of ceramics, and other artifacts buried in mounds along the trenches. So far, the uncovered areas date to between 200 and 1283 A.D., but the team thinks they've seen "no more than a tenth" of the true extent of this archeological wonder. More from an article which appeared Tuesday in the Guardian:

"These revelations are exploding our perceptions of what the Americas really looked liked before the arrival of Christopher Columbus," said David Grann, author of "The Lost City of Z," a book about an attempt in the 1920s to find signs of Amazonian civilizations. "The discoveries are challenging long-held assumptions about the Amazon as a Hobbesian place where only small primitive tribes could ever have existed, and about the limits the environment placed on the rise of early civilisations."

ElDorado2 They are also vindicating, said Grann, Percy Fawcett, the explorer who partly inspired Conan Doyle's book "The Lost World."

Fawcett led an expedition to find the City of Z but the party vanished, bequeathing a mystery.

Many scientists saw the jungle as too harsh to sustain anything but small nomadic tribes. Now it seems the conquistadores who spoke of "cities that glistened in white" were telling the truth.

They, however, probably also introduced the diseases that wiped out the native people, leaving the jungle to claim – and hide – all traces of their civilization.


Poster Comment:

Who would've thought deforestation had an upside?

There is no upside. The planet is unquestionably dying with the Arctic melting, the destruction of coral reefs and the average temperature climbing at rates that demand a complete stop to deforestation releasing CO2.

I strongly recommend that for the preservation of all mankind that we consider methods of conservation quickly.

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#5. To: buckeroo (#0)



No CO2 increase in last 150 years

The trend since 1850 has been "essentially zero"

31 Dec 09 - New research finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades, contrary to some recent studies. See entire article" www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm


Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   0:42:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)

Get a clue from your own posts, will ya?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   0:48:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#7)

In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   0:54:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#9)

All he says is that anthropogenic contributions have little contributions based upon his research. The FACT remains: CO2 emissions are CLIMBING at a rapid rate over the past 150 years.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:01:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, Lod (#11)

All he says is that anthropogenic contributions have little contributions based upon his research. The FACT remains: CO2 emissions are CLIMBING at a rapid rate over the past 150 years.

Over all CO2 has increased as have the sinks. While man may have increased emissions the percentage contributed by man has not changed. Moreover, there is no evidence that an increase in CO2, whether anthropogenic or natura, is bad. There is historic evidence that higher CO2 levels are good actually as are warmer temperatures.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:18:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: farmfriend (#13)

There is historic evidence that higher CO2 levels are good actually as are warmer temperatures.

Where? Israel and Washington DC, filled with hot-aire?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:26:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#15)

Where? Israel and Washington DC, filled with hot-aire?

The renaissance, the Roman period and the proliferation of the Vikings were all done under warmer conditions.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:31:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: farmfriend (#17)

The renaissance, the Roman period and the proliferation of the Vikings were all done under warmer conditions.

Those times did not have the natural resource extractions that we see today. During those times, maybe 100,000,000 people around the world? And today ... 6.7Bn? BIG_DIFFERENCE.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:44:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#21)

Actually I think populations were higher than we know.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:45:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: farmfriend (#22)

Please explain. Please remember, natural resource extraction is proportionate to population levels.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:47:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#23)

Please explain. Please remember, natural resource extraction is proportionate to population levels.

Clarification, I'm not sure what it is you wish me to explain.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:56:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: farmfriend (#25)

Actually I think populations were higher than we know.

Post#22.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:58:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#26)

Post#22.

That much I understand. I'm unclear as to what you are after.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   2:02:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: farmfriend (#29)

How were populations HIGHER than anyone knows? Where are the records?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   2:05:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#33)

Where are the records?

Well if there were records we would know now wouldn't we? What part of "I think" did you not understand?

And there are some records. There are records of the high populations in the Amazon but we didn't believe them. Not there is archeological evidence as well. Same with North America, Anchor Wat etc.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   2:10:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#37. To: farmfriend (#34)

What part of "I think" did you not understand?

I don't know why you believe your own publickly declared comment is all. You haven't substantiated your hypothesis or otherwise as i like to consider: known as, "GUT_DETERMINED_IDEA."

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09 02:14:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: farmfriend (#34)

Where are the records?

Destroyed, and some may still exist but remain hidden. The India Vedas talk about aircraft, called Vimanas, and nuclear weapons, called the "Iron Thunderbolt" "which could destroy an entire city".

We are now but beginning to come to grips with just how extensive ancient civilization was. The Mediterranean Basin appears to have once been a fertile valley, and there are ruins going as far down as divers have been able to reach, that still exist - and roads that run off into the murky depths. However, in all of our recorded history it has been a sea. It is theorized based on some geologic evidence, ancient legends, and the existence of the ruins that their was once a rock wall where now lie The Straits of Gibraltar. It appears to have collapsed, or been blown, somewhere around 10,000 B.C.. Interestingly that corresponds with the sinking of the fabled Atlantis, and the rise of the Andes Mountain Chain - where you can now find the Sea Port of Tiahuanaco at 2 miles above Sea Level.

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