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Title: Bachmann: America ‘cursed’ by God ‘if we reject Israel’
Source: The Minnesota Independent
URL Source: http://minnesotaindependent.com/550 ... sed-by-god-if-we-reject-israel
Published: Feb 8, 2010
Author: Andy Birkey
Post Date: 2010-02-08 14:40:48 by X-15
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At a Republican Jewish Coalition event in Los Angeles last week, Rep. Michele Bachmann offered a candid view of her positions on Israel: Support for Israel is handed down by God and if the United States pulls back its support, America will cease to exist.
The Republican Jewish Coalition is the same organization that recently hired former Sen. Norm Coleman. Bachmann’s appearance on Feb.1 is part of a whirlwind of national events for Bachmann in February. Next up: she’s keynoting the Take Back Washington North Dakota event in Bismarck this Friday night.
Here’s a transcript of some of her remarks at the RJC event:
"I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . . . [W]e have to show that we are inextricably entwined, that as a nation we have been blessed because of our relationship with Israel, and if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play. And my husband and I are both Christians, and we believe very strongly the verse from Genesis [Genesis 12:3], we believe very strongly that nations also receive blessings as they bless Israel. It is a strong and beautiful principle.
Right now in my own private Bible time, I am working through Isaiah . . . and there is continually a coming back to what God gave to Israel initially, which was the Torah and the Ten Commandments, and I have a wonderful quote from John Adams that if you will indulge me [while I find it] . . . [from his February 16, 1809 letter to François Adriaan van der Kemp]:
I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations. If I were an atheist of the other sect, who believe or pretend to believe that all is ordered by chance, I should believe that chance had ordered the Jews to preserve and propagate to all mankind the doctrine of a supreme, intelligent, wise, almighty sovereign of the universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of all morality, and consequently of all civilization.
. . . So that is a very long way to answer your question, but I believe that an explicit statement from us about our support for Israel as tied to American security, we would do well to do that."
Poster Comment:
In a sane society this woman could not hold office. She is also completely upside down in how she sees the world. Our slavish attachment to Israel that is helping to accelerate our national decline. We have allowed 'conservatism' to be defined as being for war and for Israel. That is a lethal combination. In a sane society we would totally disengage from the ME except to trade with them and anyone who is an agent of any nation there or anyone with an abnormal attachment to those nations would be barred from holding office. But we do not live in a sane society. Palin-Bachmann Overdrive in 2012!
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#1. To: X-15 (#0)
A sad and distorted view. There are Jews who reject Israel upon sound theological grounds. However, to countenance evil and then justify it by proclaiming the defense of that evil good is a perversion so rank, and so insane as to lay question to this woman's very sanity.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-02-08 14:45:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: X-15 (#0) (Edited)
"I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States

The United States has done progressively worse ever since they started supporting the FRAUD known as the State of Israel. I say let's just try giving it a rest and watch for improvement.
I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations.
Like most fundamental Christians this woman doesn't know there's a difference between a "Hebrew" and a "Jew". The Hebrew people gave us the old testament, the Jews gave us 9-11. (Plus a lot more that I don't have the time or patience to express.)
Hint: The Hebrew people NEVER had a synagogue.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
noone222 posted on 2010-02-08 14:51:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: noone222 (#2)
The United States has done progressively worse ever since they started supporting the FRAUD known as the State of Israel. I say let's just try giving it a rest and watch for improvement.
Like most fundamental Christians this woman doesn't know there's a difference between a "Hebrew" and a "Jew". The Hebrew people gave us the old testament, the Jews gave us 9-11. (Plus a lot more that I don't have the time or patience to express.)

BUMP!

LACUMO posted on 2010-02-08 14:57:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: X-15 (#0)
That was so nice. They may even wipe first next time.
The only real problems anti-immigration types have with the non-whites already here is that they won't marry our daughters and won't adopt Haitian babies.
They "refuse to assimilate." Their "culture is incompatible."
THAT is not our problem.
Prefrontal Vortex posted on 2010-02-08 15:20:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: X-15 (#0)
If I were an atheist of the other sect, who believe or pretend to believe that all is ordered by chance, I should believe that chance had ordered the Jews to preserve and propagate to all mankind the doctrine of a supreme, intelligent, wise, almighty sovereign of the universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of all morality, and consequently of all civilization.

The lack of it didn't stop China, or Japan, or India, or the Aztecs, or Greece, or Crete, or Egypt, or Rome.
And it won't cure dark continent.
The only real problems anti-immigration types have with the non-whites already here is that they won't marry our daughters and won't adopt Haitian babies.
They "refuse to assimilate." Their "culture is incompatible."
THAT is not our problem.
Prefrontal Vortex posted on 2010-02-08 15:25:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: X-15 (#0)
At a Republican Jewish Coalition event in Los Angeles last week, Rep. Michele Bachmann offered a candid view of her positions on Israel: Support for Israel is handed down by God and if the United States pulls back its support, America will cease to exist

One more nutter with an obvious chip implant.

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-08 15:27:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: X-15 (#0) (Edited)
Here’s a transcript of some of her remarks at the RJC event:
"I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . .

What Bachmann is spewing is a 4,000 year old view of a mean vengeful tribal god.
Jesus gave us a totally different view of god - his god is a god for all human beings - a loving forgiving god.
Today we view god as someone who does not play in the universe - we see a Creator god.
We Americans were fortunate to have forefathers that created a secular government.
Using the Bible to run foreign policy goes totally against American idealism.
The American peoples covenant with each other is the Constitution - not the Bible.
Truly - the cross that Christians bear - is the 4,000 year old tribal think of the old testament.

your_neighbor posted on 2010-02-08 18:33:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: noone222 (#2)
The Hebrew people gave us the old testament, the Jews gave us 9-11.

ha ha. that would make a great tagline!
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2010-02-08 18:35:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: X-15 (#0)
I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations.

Imagine being pro-Canaanite at that meeting...
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Dakmar posted on 2010-02-08 21:17:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Dakmar (#9)

I think I found Bachmann's VP

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-08 21:25:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: X-15 (#0)
we are inextricably entwined,
coming back to what God gave to Israel initially
the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations

Where is Israel or any other foreign nation mentioned in the Constitution? I don't think Michelle has dusted off that ol' document in a long time as she suppots extorting American taxpayers to pay off Israel.
God also gave them a couple of plagues, Michelle.
Yeah, cluster bombs are just so darned civilized. Bulldozing houses and stealing land is so civilized.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-02-08 21:27:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Dakmar posted on 2010-02-08 21:30:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Dakmar, all (#12)
"And when I'm President, we're going to get back to elevating cronyism over the rule of law. And we're going to make it very clear to everyone who works for the government that they better not even think about cherishing the Constitution . . ."
- the Beast
'Nuff said?
(You can't make this stuff up.)

randge posted on 2010-02-08 21:42:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: X-15 (#0)
In a sane society this woman could not hold office. She is also completely upside down in how she sees the world. Our slavish attachment to Israel that is helping to accelerate our national decline. We have allowed 'conservatism' to be defined as being for war and for Israel. That is a lethal combination. In a sane society we would totally disengage from the ME except to trade with them and anyone who is an agent of any nation there or anyone with an abnormal attachment to those nations would be barred from holding office. But we do not live in a sane society. Palin-Bachmann Overdrive in 2012!

very well said

christine posted on 2010-02-08 22:00:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: X-15 (#0)
Wonder how these so-called Christians justify ignoring Scripture when it comes to Israel. In a messianic prophecy fulfilled by Jesus Christ, Isaiah noted that God would make the Servant "to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles" (Isa. 42:6; 42:7 is similar to 61:1, Luke 4:18). The Servant himself would be the covenant, he would be the basis of the relationship for both Jews and Gentiles. This was fulfilled in Jesus, for he shed his blood, and it is only through him that we may enter God's holy nation. Mal 3:1 predicted that the Lord would be the messenger of the new covenant. At the Last Supper, Jesus proclaimed that the wine-cup represented his own blood, which would be the blood of the new covenant.
Jeremiah 31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Hebrews 8:
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Micah 5:
Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
Lamentations 5
Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach.
Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens.
We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers are as widows.
We have drunken our water for money; our wood is sold unto us.
Our necks are under persecution: we labour, and have no rest.
We have given the hand to the Egyptians, and to the Assyrians, to be satisfied with bread.
Our fathers have sinned, and are not; and we have borne their iniquities.
Servants have ruled over us: there is none that doth deliver us out of their hand.
We gat our bread with the peril of our lives because of the sword of the wilderness.
Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.
They ravished the women in Zion, and the maids in the cities of Judah.
Princes are hanged up by their hand: the faces of elders were not honoured.
They took the young men to grind, and the children fell under the wood.
The elders have ceased from the gate, the young men from their musick.
The joy of our heart is ceased; our dance is turned into mourning.
The crown is fallen from our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned!
For this our heart is faint; for these things our eyes are dim.
Because of the mountain of Zion, which is desolate, the foxes walk upon it.
Thou, O LORD, remainest for ever; thy throne from generation to generation.
Wherefore dost thou forget us for ever, and forsake us so long time?
Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.
But thou hast utterly rejected us; thou art very wroth against us.
Leviticus 26
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.
And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land.
And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.
And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.
For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.
And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
And I set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.
But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.
And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.
And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.
And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.
And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.
And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.
As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.
And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth.
And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies.
And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.
And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.
If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.
And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.
But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.
Deuteronomy 31
And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.
Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?
And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods.
Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.
For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant.
And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.
For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?
Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.
For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.
Hebrews 3
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

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