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Title: Glenn Beck does a hit job on Debra Medina on his show this morning
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Published: Feb 11, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-02-11 12:10:31 by christine
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#113. To: buckeroo (#109) (Edited)
Whom are the historians.. just a pile of snot-nosed government agreeing college graduates?

Today's historians: paid by foundations with agendas. In 100 years, who knows?

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 19:56:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#114. To: buckeroo (#109)
the basic ideas of government by psychohistory...
1. you must have a reasonably truthful account of history... these accounts of history will be used to test and calibrate mathematical expressions that are developed to predict and manipulate human behavior... aka, "future history".
2. you need sophisticated mathematical descriptions of human behavior.
3. if your history is truthful and your math is sophisticated enough, you can predict trends in mass human behavior, although you will still be unable to predict behavior of individual humans.
4. you can spot unwanted trends in mass human behavior hundreds of years before they become problems, and head them off with a minimum and undetectable application of force.
5. your predictions and even the guild of psychohistorians itself must be kept secret, lest the resistance counterpredict and nullify your predictions.
6. the public will be fed lies tailored to produce the desired response.
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so given the value of truthful accounts of history, it's probable that there are historians that know the whole story of, for instance, 9/11.
the chance of the truth being acknowledged by any of the responsible parties approaches zero.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 19:58:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#115. To: Deasy (#107)
It's a state capital. The Capitol is in Washington D.C.

Your write, I get that mixed up allot.
Is the building in the state capital the capitol building or capital building?
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 19:58:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#116. To: buckeroo (#109)
Asimov's "Foundation" novels — the most famous science-fiction trilogy between "Lord of the Rings" and "Star Wars" — described a new science of social behavior called psychohistory. Mixing psychology with math, psychohistory hijacked the methods of physics to precisely predict the future course of human events.
Today, Asimov's vision is no longer wholly fiction. His psychohistory exists in a loose confederation of research enterprises seeking equations that capture patterns in human behavior.
These enterprises go by different names and treat different aspects of the issue. But they all share a goal of better understanding the present in order to foresee the future, and possibly help shape it.
Jewish World Review July 16, 2004

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 20:00:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#117. To: Esso (#115)
Are we talking Houston or Dallas, or Austin :)

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 20:01:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#118. To: Esso (#70)
Her bullshit statement about nonexistent Muzzies attacking us to appease the jews totally sucked. 9/11 was yet another jewzio attack on America. End of story. Somebody needs to stand up to these bastards. She blew her chance.

i have to agree. she caved. period. we have NO ONE who can stand up to the pressure. let's face it. another one bites the dust. they've beat us again.
p.s. i hate glenn beck. i'll not say what i wish would happen to him.

christine posted on 2010-02-11 20:04:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#119. To: groundresonance, buckeroo (#114)
the basic ideas of government by psychohistory...

Then it's a race to see who can control the view of the past. The ordinary people appear to be losing the battle. Even so-called equalizing technologies like social networking appear to have benefited the Establishment, as Obama (no populust) won with millions in online donations in 2008.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 20:07:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#120. To: groundresonance (#112)
If you ever notice official government reckoning, no matter where the common illiterate diatribe comes from, it is possible to "sustain" the world. Some of these "people" pick up their rants on the Internet... never knowing what they do, agreeing with ways to eliminate personal rights. It is a tug-o-war out here.
Yet there is no question our individual rights remain insecure and not biased posters begging the governments of the world.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 20:13:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#121. To: Deasy (#119)
technologies like social networking appear to have benefited the Establishment

when facebook is touted by the president of israel, i dont see why that should be much of a surprise.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 20:15:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#122. To: Deasy (#117)
Are we talking Houston or Dallas, or Austin

Talk about government waste! How many capitals does Texas need?
Actually, I asked that question because I did a search for 'What is the capitol/capital of Texas?' (I used both spellings in separate searches) hoping to find a poll or something to see how many people get Austin wrong. I bet it's a lot, outside of Texas.
I didn't have any luck finding what I was looking for, but it seemed like the search results used capital/capitol interchangeably when talking about the building. Now I don't know which is which. Or is it witch? DAMN THESE WORDS!
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 20:16:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#123. To: christine, Esso (#118)
we have NO ONE who can stand up to the pressure.

The real pressure here is reason. If you don't know who organized the 9/11 attacks, you don't know. By knowing, I mean corroborated confessions. I mean money trails that lead to specific operatives who are on tape or have reliable witnesses who say they know who did it. We have some interesting leads, but we don't have all the facts yet.
Anyway, she stood her ground on the air very well. Should any of us have to believe what they other believes about 9/11? Think of how counterproductive it is to require others to conclude the same things you have based on inconsistencies and unbelievable information in the media, especially after you've focused on it for so many years. Maybe she hasn't. This is an opportunity for a lot of liberty-minded people in Texas to learn together. It's not a time to pull Medina down for not being as quick as you are to draw conclusions.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 20:20:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#124. To: Deasy (#93)
The second point I'd like to make is to defend Medina's position. I doubt that any of us knows exactly what happened on 9/11. In all things, a governor should consider evidence that is free of innuendo and inference. All we can know for certain is that our three branches of government used the attacks of 9/11 to carry out an agenda that is many cases counter to American liberty and favors Israel's regional interests at the expense of our non-alignment. In other words, we can say for certain who benefited: Israel. We can say who lost: we lost freedom. Most of the other "truther" style evidence is debatable. It's not proof of something specific, not yet. So Ron Paul and Debra Medina have been logically correct in what they've said.

you make some sense here, but i think both RP and Debra could have and should have said a lot less. had Debra just let it go with what she said in the interview, i would be satisfied. one thing one of these candidates/politicians seemingly are never able to do when questioned about 911 is turn it around on the questioner. she could have said she hasn't drawn any conclusions because we've (including the families of the victims) been unable to get answers from the government. she could have asked him if he had answers to many of the questions that the 911 commission failed to address? how about building 7?

christine posted on 2010-02-11 20:21:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#125. To: christine (#124)
she could have asked why the 9/11 investigation was resisted, tooth and nail, until all the evidence was shipped to japan and turned into tunafish cans.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 20:26:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#126. To: christine (#124) (Edited)
but i think both RP and Debra could have and should have said a lot less.

Well it's good to keep in mind that she probably hasn't thought this through as much as you have. I don't know, but my guess is that her personal life is probably a lot more ordinary than a cynical political forum administrator's. If she doesn't know very much about the history of 9/11 "doubt," then it's OK to say what she said. As far as reserving judgment, she's going to get asked about this a lot in the coming days so let's see how she does with more time.
he could have asked him if he had answers to many of the questions that the 911 commission failed to address? how about building 7?
That's if she had thought about it a lot, like you have. Even now that she's been attacked on the issue (why, for having truther supporters and going on the AJ show, what's the history?) she may not have better retorts. This may not be her big issue.
If she's an isolationist, wants to close the borders, and is against redistribution of wealth, then she has answered all of your questions except one. You might consider a live radio interview with her. Be up front: tell her front people what you believe, and that you want her to exchange views with you.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 20:27:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#127. To: christine (#124)
Nobody understands 9/11 ... you are looking for faeries in a way to reassure you can go to bed and have have sleepy-dreams.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 20:30:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#128. To: Deasy, All (#93)
Our problem is to educate our fellow citizens. I haven't figured how to do it.

Well, first you get a big club and then....

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 20:37:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#129. To: christine (#0)
The official version of 9/11 is the Jewish version. Beck poops Jewish!
Jews are the reason he is on radio and TV.
Jews want someone, that leads any movement, to also poop out their victimization narrative. The Jews can count Beck.
Beck correctly goes on and on about bad government - but he hides the real problem facing America - it is its Jews. Today there is no major problem in America that cannot be traced back to Jewish influence, either culturally, economically, or foreign policy wise.
Always lead the opposition - in Beck, the Jews have their man -- he is the problem, he is a traitor.

your_neighbor posted on 2010-02-11 20:37:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#130. To: Cynicom (#128)
Clubs just make them angrier.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 20:38:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#131. To: Cynicom (#128)
Well, first you get a big club and then....

you are a little soft to carry a BIG stick.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 20:41:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#132. To: Deasy (#130)
Clubs just make them angrier.

Not true, not true.
You have never seen an angry sheep. NO, never.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 20:41:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#133. To: Cynicom (#132)
You have never seen an angry sheep. NO, never.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 20:47:16 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#134. To: Deasy (#107)
t's a state capital. The Capitol is in Washington D.C.

Thanks D, I have been a tad confused with that issue. I always thought capital was only physical goods, now I understand grammar a bit better thanks to you. So to be clear state's have capitals, nations have capitols?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2010-02-11 20:51:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#135. To: Cynicom (#132)
You have never seen an angry sheep. NO, never.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 20:52:42 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#136. To: Esso (#110)
Wrong! Then the TeeVee show would've been called Houston, not Dallas. :P

Ya got me, man what can I say.
I know that Austin Texas was named for Jane Austin, because the people loved her books so.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2010-02-11 20:54:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#137. To: Deasy (#126)
If she's an isolationist, wants to close the borders, and is against redistribution of wealth, then she has answered all of your questions except one.

absolutely. i still support her and will vote for her. all things considered at this point in time, her thoughts on 911 aren't all that significant; especially because none of us will ever know what really happened.

christine posted on 2010-02-11 20:54:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#138. To: All (#129)
p.s. Why does Beck distrust government actions - but stands foursquare behind the governments 9/11 findings.
p.s. Tell us Mr. Beck!

your_neighbor posted on 2010-02-11 21:03:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#139. To: your_neighbor (#138)
9/11 is a "slam dump" deal. In this one case of government intervention, they were right. Although the US government let us down during 9/11, the US government let us us down after wards stripping us of of our God given rights.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 21:12:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#140. To: Deasy (#126)
Yep. From what little I know about TX politics, Medina seems head and shoulders above Perry and the other Washington insider in a skirt. That said, suppose Medina went on Beck today and said that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, but rather a missile, and the plane, BTW, is missing without a trace some nine years later. She wouldn't be elected to the local school board, never mind state wide office. I believe her written response to 9-11 is her belief system as of today, and Beck chose to contort that into a dreaded "truther" position. Beck's old, but effective smear seems to have worked yet again. At least with some. As for me, given the desperate political times we're in, if I had a shot to dump Perry and/or Hutchinson, I'd take it.

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-11 21:15:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#141. To: All, A letter to Glenn Beck from a Texan (#140)
Glenn,
I'm a Texan and a Grass-roots, Tea Party, Conservative. My husband and I marched on the Capital in D.C. on 9/12. We have also watched your show and listened to your radio show consistently and encouraged our friends and family to do the same. Most of all, I am as far as you can get from a 9/11 Truther. And although this is a free country, and I defend anybody's right to think what they will, I would never support any politician who believed that our government had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks.
But I have to say, I'm as mad as I've ever been about what you did to Debra Medina today on your radio show, and the total disrespect you had for her as a citizen of Texas. She has spent a good part of her adult life doing just what you have preached for the last year -- getting involved to make a difference in a political process that has gone mad. So many of us in Texas have supported her and prayed that she would make it on the ballot for the sake of Texas. With little to no money for a campaign, we have all joined together through emailing, door to door campaigning and word of mouth to help her reach the unprecedented gains in the polls she has accomplished.
Last week she had a wonderful national interview with Judge Napolitano, and we all cheered and thanked God for the opportunity. This week we looked forward to her interview with our champion, Glenn Beck. Well, I can't speak for all Medina supporters, but my heart sank when I heard the things you said about her. Not only because of how you might have hurt Debra, but also for all the people I had promoted you to.
And for those of us who have lived in Texas through Perry's reign of cronyism and Hutchinson's broken promises, Debra Medina is a champion for Texas whom we can believe in. And she certainly did not come out of the woodwork. She's an experienced advocate and willing to work 24/7 for a state and country she loves and believes in. And for you to dismiss her because of rumors and a non-related question you tried to force upon her, is beneath you. Or at least the person I thought you were. Now I wonder about a lot of people you've discarded as you moved up the popularity ladder. I know in a large part it's you showing your power, while playing the "man of the people" card, but just know-- Debra Medina is our "man (or woman) of the people" and when you trash her, you are trashing the people of Texas. And we don't like people messing with Texas. Think twice next time. I seriously believe you owe her an apology and an unbiased interview.
Sincerely, Kelli

christine posted on 2010-02-11 21:24:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#142. To: Deasy (#93)
Our problem is to educate our fellow citizens. I haven't figured how to do it. Let me know when you've got an idea that will make a difference.

Good post, and well said, thanks.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 21:28:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#143. To: buckeroo (#139)
9/11 is a "slam dump" deal. In this one case of government intervention, they were right.

The 9/11 commission did not tell the "whole truth" -- it left out any mention of Israeli knowledge or involvement.
Because they did so - we were led into wars that are still ongoing, for ten bloody years.
That is a crime - a major crime against humanity - put on the world by its Jews!

your_neighbor posted on 2010-02-11 21:31:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#144. To: Kelli, Jethro Tull, christine, Cynicom (#140)
Well, I can't speak for all Medina supporters, but my heart sank when I heard the things you said about her.

Kelli's passion for what she believes is touching, but I'd like to encourage her to become more cynical. The sooner people abandon hope in the likes of Beck, or anything else they see on "Faux" news the better. Cynicism is patriotism.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 21:32:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#145. To: Deasy (#93)
Great post, Deasy.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-02-11 21:34:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#146. To: Deasy (#93)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Eric Stratton posted on 2010-02-11 21:41:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#147. To: christine, first (#118)
First, I agree that dreck dying of hemorrhoid problems would be justice well served.
Second, I don't believe that this insane hatchet-job will kill Debra's chances. I'm going to move on and keep doing what I'm doing to help get her real message out there.
What other choice do I have?

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 21:41:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#148. To: Esso. all (#122)
O - building A - city
It' goofy like Au and Ag - just go with what seems like the wrong one.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 21:44:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#149. To: christine (#124)
she could have said she hasn't drawn any conclusions because we've (including the families of the victims) been unable to get answers from the government. she could have asked him if he had answers to many of the questions that the 911 commission failed to address? how about building 7?

Correct.
I just wonder what dreck's people told her that they would be discussing. You know that it wasn't 9/11.
We have the benefit of what we know, in calm hindsight, but there she was, just an unwitting target for that tool's blindside attack.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 21:50:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#150. To: christine (#137)
absolutely. i still support her and will vote for her. all things considered at this point in time, her thoughts on 911 aren't all that significant; especially because none of us will ever know what really happened.

Like Debra Medina said, it has no bearing upon being governor of Texas.
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X-15 posted on 2010-02-11 21:54:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#151. To: Lod, Christine, Jethro tull, All (#149)
just an unwitting target for that tool's blindside attack.

Well then, why not use the "attack" to her advantage.
Instead of defending her position, something he wanted her to do, ATTACK THE CREEP BACK WITH A SCATHING PUBLIC STATEMENT...worded so as to encourage her supporters and undermine Beck.
Defense NEVER wins in politics.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 21:55:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#152. To: Cynicom (#151)
Defense NEVER wins in politics.

Yepper there.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2010-02-11 21:56:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#153. To: Jethro Tull (#140)
As for me, given the desperate political times we're in, if I had a shot to dump Perry and/or Hutchinson, I'd take it.

Yep.
And count on it, they'll never be posed the 9/11 question.
We have to, have to, remember that the goal is to keep the trusted, vetted players, in play.
Screw we the people.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 21:57:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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