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Title: Glenn Beck does a hit job on Debra Medina on his show this morning
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Published: Feb 11, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-02-11 12:10:31 by christine
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#1. To: christine (#0)
I said once before that I felt that at some point Beck would disappoint us. He just did. That "interview" has resulted in my not watching or listening to him in the future.

Sonovademocrat posted on 2010-02-11 12:19:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Sonovademocrat, christine, all (#1)
listen to the pud -

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 12:27:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Lod (#2)
If anyone has any doubts about this scumbag, this should resolve the issue. The Establishment called Beck for a favor and he delivered.

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-11 12:29:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
If anyone has any doubts about this scumbag, this should resolve the issue.

Bought and paid for whore.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 12:33:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Cynicom, JT, christine, all (#4)
That's about the way the comments on 'tube were going.
There are some awake folks out there - we just need to multiply them greatly.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 12:35:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Lod, Jethro tull, Christine, All (#5)
Lod...
If Americans would only stop to think for one moment, they would realize they are being scammed, conned and hoodwinked.
All of the successful motor mouths on TV and radio are "conservative" idiots. How does that happen when all of MSM is owned by the Jews and leftwing communists????
IT IS INTENDED THAT WAY.
False pied pipers, every damned one of them.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 12:41:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Cynicom, christine, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, CadetD, Jethro Tull, IndieTX, bluegrass, HOUNDDAWG, Kamal, Deacon Benjamin, farmfriend, all (#4)
If anyone has any doubts about this scumbag, this should resolve the issue.
Bought and paid for whore.

I said that a lonnnnnnnnnng time ago.
Dreck, like any good disinformation outlet, will say things he knows his audience will agree with in order to build credibility for when he does something such as this.
ANY ONE WHO IS ON THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA at this point in time IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR and will, on command, turn into an attack dog for his masters.
There are no exceptions and if someone were to stray "off the Reservation" they would be off the air within minutes. Look at what they did with Jesse Ventura - bought the rights to his show and then shelved it long enough for his popularity to recede a bit.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-02-11 12:44:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Cynicom Lod, Jethro tull, Christine, All (#6)
Lod...
If Americans would only stop to think for one moment, they would realize they are being scammed, conned and hoodwinked.
All of the successful motor mouths on TV and radio are "conservative" idiots. How does that happen when all of MSM is owned by the Jews and leftwing communists????
IT IS INTENDED THAT WAY.

Yes, it is intended but it is not "Da Jooos" it is "Da Banksters" and "Da Intelligence Mob" such as CIA.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-02-11 12:46:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: Original_Intent (#8)
OI...
Rupert Murdoch aint Irish. He is a joo.
He is making a fortune with his "conservative" Fox minions. It sells

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 12:50:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Original_Intent (#8)
OI..
Along that line...
I have been wondering how Traficant will be taken care of?????
Would they offer enough money that he would also roll over?????

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 12:52:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Cynicom (#6)
If Americans would only stop to think for one moment, they would realize they are being scammed, conned and hoodwinked.

Yes, by foreign elitists, you are being scammed, conned and hoodwinked into thinking that foreigners would never hurt the U.S. and only the U.S. government is a threat to the people of the U.S.
Such a devastating conspiracy of hate filled propaganda to undermine nationality in the U.S. and lay the ground work for one world government.

PaulCJ posted on 2010-02-11 12:52:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: PaulCJ (#11)
Note from history.
Back in WW2, the Japanese and Germans both spoke of a...NEW WORLD ORDER..
I dont recall if Stalin did or not.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 12:55:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: PaulCJ, Jethro tull, Lod, All (#11)
There is photo of Japanese poster on Guam, 1941, that says this...
"Japanese Proclamation

We proclaim herewith that our Japanese Army has occupied this island of Guam by the order of the Great Emperor of Japan. It is for the purpose of restoring liberty and rescuing the Whole Asiatic people and creating the permanent peace in Asia. Thus our intention is to establish the New Order in the World."

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 13:01:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Cynicom (#10)
Would they offer enough money that he would also roll over?????

Possibly.
Or he could have an "accident".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-02-11 13:10:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: christine (#0)
Once a down and out drunk ... Beck has cleaned up his "ACT" and become drunk with power !!!
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
noone222 posted on 2010-02-11 13:10:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Original_Intent, jethro tull, all (#14)
"... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people."
H. G. Wells, in his book entitled The New World Order (1939)

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 13:21:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
The Establishment called Beck for a favor and he delivered.

Beck "tried" to do a number on Medina ... just a day or two after Alex Jones had her on his program and supported her.
Alex Jones has stated that Beck is getting his show prep from Infowars ... I believe it.
Fuck Glenn Beck.
That being said, Medina held her own without doing a Ron Paul.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
noone222 posted on 2010-02-11 13:22:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Cynicom (#16)
The problem with their "New World Odor" is that it is a system designed solely for the benefit of a very small group of self-styled "best people". Thus the "Betters" have a life of luxury and everyone else endless drudgery, gloom, and despair.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-02-11 13:26:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: noone222, all (#17)
That being said, Medina held her own without doing a Ron Paul.

I agree. The tone of that 'interview' was evident from the start. Medina never hushed up and talked over Dreck which caused him to have a mini meltdown. This is a wonderful example of how an outside candidate can expect to be treated by the media. In this particular case, Beck was so overboard it might work in her favor.

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-11 13:27:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: Jethro Tull. all (#19)
Good point - the bullying and baiting, over and over, will not play well with many.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 13:31:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: All (#0)
Did you all catch the Beck comment, "Rick (Perry), you and I can french kiss?" then they went on to discuss what a handsome man Perry is.

christine posted on 2010-02-11 13:52:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Lod (#2)
Glenn Beck appears to be too d@mned stupid to be allowed to cross the street without supervision. Either that or they have something on him that is so embarrassing that he doesn't want it to come out. It is obvious to anyone who isn't a true partisan shill and government toady that 9/11 was one of two things--it was either a MIHOP or LIHOP. Made it happen on purpose or Let it happen on purpose. The air force stand down alone would prove that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-02-11 13:53:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: All (#21)
the discussion/character assassination of Debra after she hung up was completely despicable.

christine posted on 2010-02-11 13:55:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: christine (#21)
"Rick (Perry), you and I can french kiss?" then they went on to discuss what a handsome man Perry is.

Sometimes, I wish I had better than a dialup connection so I could see and hear some of this stuff.
This isn't one of those times. Disgusting.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 13:59:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: christine (#23)
So what's the beef? She doesn't want to cede Texas to Izzy, or what?
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 14:01:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Esso (#25)
She doesn't want to cede Texas to Izzy, or what?

worse than that... in fact, the very worst of all...
Results 1 - 10 of about 138,000 for "debra medina" truther

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 14:13:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Esso (#25)
wikipedia's already got the following up:
"She claimed on February 11, 2010 on the Glenn Beck radio program that the United States government may have been involved in the coordination and execution of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.[1][2]"

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 14:22:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: groundresonance (#26)
Ah, violation of the 2nd commandment of the new judeo century: Thou shalt never allow the truth to be exposed.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 14:22:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Esso (#28) (Edited)
maybe i'll move to texas so i can vote for her.
...which would be the first time i ever voluntarily voted in my life.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 14:24:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Cynicom (#4)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Eric Stratton posted on 2010-02-11 14:24:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: groundresonance (#27)
Nothing on the ADL cess-site yet. They're slipping.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 14:25:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: christine (#23)
the discussion/character assassination of Debra after she hung up was completely despicable.

I agree. And his homo fantasies about getting up with Rick Perry didn't do anything for me--unless you count disgust as doing something for you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-02-11 14:29:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: Eric Stratton (#30)
Ya gotta have someone out there steering the dissatisfied sheople to where their masters want them to go until the next sheopleherder comes along.

One sheep herder, two dogs and thousands of sheep are perfectly content.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 14:31:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: groundresonance (#27)
"She claimed on February 11, 2010 on the Glenn Beck radio program that the United States government may have been involved in the coordination and execution of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.[1][2]"

Unless I heard another broadcast, this is totally inaccurate (but I have to give the Establishment an A+ for preempting her as she began to draw close in the polls)

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-11 14:31:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: groundresonance, ALL (#27)
www.examiner.com/examiner...na-about-911-conspiracies

Later in the day on Wednesday Debra Medina issued this statement:
"I was asked a question on the Glenn Beck show today regarding my thoughts on the so-called 9/11 truth movement. I have never been involved with the 9-11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11. I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way. No one can deny that the events on 9-11 were a tragedy for all Americans and especially those families who lost loved ones.
"The question surprised me because it's not relevant to this race or the issues facing Texans. This campaign has always been about private property rights and state sovereignty. It is focused on the issues facing Texans. It is not a vehicle for the 9-11 truth movement or any other group.
"The real underlying question here, though, is whether or not people have the right to question our government. I think the fact that people are even asking questions on this level gets to the incredible distrust career politicians have fostered by so clearly taking their direction from special interests instead of the people, whether it's Rick Perry and the his HPV mandate or Kay Hutchison and voting for the bank bailout. It is absolutely the right and duty of a free people to question their government. Texas does not need another politician who tells you what you want to hear, then violates your liberties and steals your property anyway. I fully expect to be questioned and to be held accountable as Governor, and that's the underlying issue here: should people be questioning their government. And the answer is yes, they should be."

christine posted on 2010-02-11 14:33:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: christine (#0)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Eric Stratton posted on 2010-02-11 14:34:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: groundresonance (#27)
wiki, you lying zio-pos, bump

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 14:35:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Jethro Tull (#34) (Edited)
this is totally inaccurate

well... wikipedia ...what can you expect?
on the other hand, maybe this will backfire on them.
sooner or later, all hell's gonna break loose unless they cook up some distraction that overshadows 9/11...
...but so many people are suspicious, it's gonna be awful hard to pull another stunt like that, unless they just bite the goddamned bullet and do something so horrendous that they can declare martial law and lock the truthers up.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 14:36:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
Allowing her to be elected would be in violation of the 1st commandment of the new judeo century: Thou shalt not allow anything that benefits the citizens. 'Nuff said.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 14:37:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: christine (#35)
is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11.

guess i dont have to move to texas, after all.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 14:39:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: All (#40)
boy, that's a relief.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 14:40:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Cynicom (#33)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Eric Stratton posted on 2010-02-11 14:41:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: christine (#35)
"The question surprised me because it's not relevant to this race or the issues facing Texans.
should people be questioning their government. And the answer is yes, they should be."

Medina should have answered the question as she asserted in her followup statement.
Her original statement on air was not good.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 14:43:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: groundresonance (#40)
is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11.

is no doubt in my mind that we still do not have the full and complete story of what all happened on 9/11 - would have been a much better (and honest) statement.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 14:44:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: christine (#35)
...there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11. I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way.

She's less than worthless. Just another ZioNutter.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 14:44:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Lod, All (#44)
Does anyone know why Beck was interested in Medina to begin with????

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 14:45:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: PaulCJ (#11)
Foreigners would never hurt the U.S. and only the U.S. government is a threat to the people of the U.S.

The U.S. government is controlled by multinational corporations and Wall Street banksters, none of whom owe allegiance to any single country, much less this one.
It was Ralph Nader of all people who tried to have the directors of Fortune 500 corporations recite the Pledge of Allegiance before their board meetings. They almost invariably refused to do so, citing what I just said. They operate in many countries and owe no particular allegiance to any single one of them.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Sam Houston posted on 2010-02-11 14:46:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: Esso (#45) (Edited)
She's less than worthless. Just another ZioNutter.

well, i dont know...
there's some reason they're afraid of her, otherwise they wouldnt have stuck their necks out like this.
it could be that's she's just so squeaky clean that they didnt have a handle on her, and now they got one...
she's seen the power of the media, and she knuckled under, and she's on record, badmouthing the truthers.
chalk up one for the israeli american establishment.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 14:49:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: Esso (#45)
Ambush journalism
Ambush journalism refers to aggressive tactics practiced by journalists to suddenly confront and question people who otherwise do not wish to speak to a journalist. The practice has particularly been applied by television journalists, on news shows like The O'Reilly Factor [9] and 60 Minutes[citation needed] and by Geraldo Rivera and other local television reporters conducting investigations.
The practice has been sharply criticized by journalists and others as being highly unethical and sensational, while others defend it as the only way to attempt to provide those subject to it an opportunity to comment for a report. This can usually be discerned by the level of physical aggression the journalist displays and in the time allowed for an uninterrupted answer.

christine posted on 2010-02-11 14:52:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: groundresonance (#48)
chalk up one for the israeli american establishment.

yep

christine posted on 2010-02-11 14:53:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Cynicom (#46)
Does anyone know why Beck was interested in Medina to begin with????

I hear she's within 4 % points of Hutchinson and Perry for the R nomination.

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-11 14:53:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
We all knew what beck was; some just took longer to 'get his angle' on how to con freedom loving Americans...

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2010-02-11 14:55:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: christine, Lod, All (#35)
OY VEY

LOL

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2010-02-11 14:57:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Rotara (#52)
He was better than most in mixing useful information with the Tel Aviv agenda.

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-11 14:57:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Jethro Tull (#54)
For anyone that slept through the infamous (and bogus btw) "Cold War" I suppose...he won't tie the agenda to the Masters. With good reason I'm sure.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2010-02-11 14:58:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: christine (#0)
trailblazersblog.dallasne...2/glenn-beck-slams-debra- medina.html
Glenn Beck slams Debra Medina for not disavowing 9-11 truthers

TV and radio commentator Glenn Beck dismissed the candidacy of Debra Medina when she left open the door to a conspiracy fringe group that believes the U.S. government might have been behind the 9-11 destruction of the World Trade Center.
Beck, a leading personality for conservatives, asked her point blank if she believed such a theory.
"I don't have all the evidence there, Glenn," Medina replied. "So I'm not in a place - I have not been out publicly questioning that. I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard. There's some very good arguments and I think the American people have not seen all the evidence there so I've not taken a position there."
He then asked if she would disavow people on her campaign team that held such a theory.
"I'm certainly not into mind control or thought policing people," Medina said. "I don't see us having a team of radical individuals, if you will."
When she signed off the program, Beck let out a long Oooh.
"I think I can write her off the list," he said. "Let me take another look at Kay Bailey Hutchison, if I have to. Rick, I think you I could French kiss right now."
Of Medina giving some countenance to such a conspiracy theory, Beck said, "Wow, the fastest way back to four percent."
UPDATE: Medina's response
"I was asked a question on the Glenn Beck show today regarding my thoughts on the so-called 9/11 truth movement. I have never been involved with the 9-11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11. I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way. No one can deny that the events on 9-11 were a tragedy for all Americans and especially those families who lost loved ones.
"The question surprised me because it's not relevant to this race or the issues facing Texans. This campaign has always been about private property rights and state sovereignty. It is focused on the issues facing Texans. It is not a vehicle for the 9-11 truth movement or any other group.
"The real underlying question here, though, is whether or not people have the right to question our government. I think the fact that people are even asking questions on this level gets to the incredible distrust career politicians have fostered by so clearly taking their direction from special interests instead of the people, whether it's Rick Perry and the his HPV mandate or Kay Hutchison and voting for the bank bailout. It is absolutely the right and duty of a free people to question their government. Texas does not need another politician who tells you what you want to hear, then violates your liberties and steals your property anyway. I fully expect to be questioned and to be held accountable as Governor, and that's the underlying issue here: should people be questioning their government. And the answer is yes, they should be."
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Horse posted on 2010-02-11 14:59:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#54)
He's making sure that anyone waking up and starting to question reality stays on the fringe but within the matrix...IMO

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2010-02-11 15:02:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: Horse (#56)
When she signed off the program, Beck let out a long Oooh.
"I think I can write her off the list," he said. "Let me take another look at Kay Bailey Hutchison, if I have to. Rick, I think you I could French kiss right now."
Of Medina giving some countenance to such a conspiracy theory, Beck said, "Wow, the fastest way back to four percent."

we always knew beck was a schmuck. or no ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2010-02-11 15:03:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: Cynicom (#46)
because of her polling #s. she's getting very popular in Texas. she's a threat to the establishment. if she could win in Texas, imagine the ripple effect throughout the country.

christine posted on 2010-02-11 15:04:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: christine (#59) (Edited)
imagine the ripple effect throughout the country.

something like that is gonna happen, sooner or later.
and sooner or later, they're gonna have to shut down the internet and start locking people up.
as time wears on, the whole project, starting with 9/11, becomes more and more obvious.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 15:08:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: christine (#0)
Glenn Beck Radio: Debra Medina is a 9/11 truther
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j2Ov6u9e38

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Horse posted on 2010-02-11 15:08:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: christine (#59)
Her Ron Paulesque statement doesn't jive with what most folks now think about 911...maybe TX is different.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2010-02-11 15:11:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: Cynicom. all (#46)
Does anyone know why Beck was interested in Medina to begin with????

My best guess would be that his paymasters, seeing their boy hair-spray and their girl kay-baby, going down in flames, told him to be interested in Debra.
And to blindside her with the 9/11 business.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 15:12:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: christine (#35)
"I was asked a question on the Glenn Beck show today regarding my thoughts on the so-called 9/11 truth movement. I have never been involved with the 9-11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11. I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way. No one can deny that the events on 9-11 were a tragedy for all Americans and especially those families who lost loved ones.

I read this as a very benign statement and consistent with a "Let it Happen" position.
Would anyone here care to raise some dollars for her? She is close - as evidence of this attack - and worth our support.

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-11 15:14:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: Lod, Christine, all (#63)
And to blindside her with the 9/11 business.

Does she have a internet site for donations????
I will make one if you provide??????

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 15:15:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: Rotara. all (#58)
Rick, I think you I could French kiss right now.

Rickie would be all over that lip-lock.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 15:16:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: All (#65)
Would anyone here care to raise some dollars for her? She is close - as evidence of this attack - and worth our support.

See my nr 65 here.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 15:16:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, all (#65)
medinafortexas.com will get you the donation options, thank you very much.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 15:19:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: Lod, Jethro tull, All (#68)
medinafortexas.com will get you the donation options, thank you very much.

You are a gentleman and a scholar.
I will do so post haste, and tell her Sir Lod sent me.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 15:20:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: Lod (#44)
is no doubt in my mind that we still do not have the full and complete story of what all happened on 9/11 - would have been a much better (and honest) statement.

You should be governor, Loddy. Her bullshit statement about nonexistent Muzzies attacking us to appease the jews totally sucked. 9/11 was yet another jewzio attack on America. End of story. Somebody needs to stand up to these bastards. She blew her chance.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 15:21:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: Esso (#70)
I wouldn't mind proofing her statements.
God, she could have done so much better than the muslim bit.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 15:25:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: Lod (#68)
medinafortexas.com will get you the donation options

the russians managed to get rid of their worst offenders... seems like americans are at a real disadvantage, though, compared to the russians...
if medina got a few million dollars of donations because of this beck business, that would be a hopeful sign.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 15:27:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: Lod (#71)
Lod...
Charged it to your credit card, $500 a month for six months?
Is that ok???

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 15:31:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: Lod, All (#71)
Dear Sir Lod,
On behalf of Medina for Texas, I would like to thank you for your generous donation of $100.00. Your support makes it possible for us to continue our mission. We encourage you to ask your friends to donate at https://secure.piryx.com/donate/g79TEURR/medinafortexas/.
A receipt of your donation is included with this email.
Thank you, Medina for Texas

Lod, I lied bout the $500, it only cost you $100.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 15:34:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: Sam Houston (#47) (Edited)
The U.S. government is controlled by multinational corporations and Wall Street banksters, none of whom owe allegiance to any single country, much less this one.

I agree with the first half, but not the second half. For example China's communist party is coming close to becoming the unquestionable top power in the world.
The nations of the E.U. are politically at each others' throats on the Euro and debt defaults.

PaulCJ posted on 2010-02-11 15:35:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: PaulCJ (#75) (Edited)
China's communist party is complete close to become the unquestionable top power in the world

that's why you got to trick your indian "allies" into a war with china.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 15:38:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: groundresonance, Cynicom, all (#72)
I don't know what dreck's people told her would be discussed, but I'll bet my life (and all of Cyni's fortune) that it had nothing at all to do with 9/11 or truthers.
dreck was just following orders, "Get Medina!" you pos zio tool.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 15:40:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: Lod (#77)
dreck was just following orders, "Get Medina!"

i bet you're right.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 15:41:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: Lod (#77)
Medina wants to know if I am related to the Gov.
Should I tell the truth???

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 15:42:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: Lod, christine (#71)
I say either you or Chrissy has to be the damn governor. Sorry, you two are the only acceptable choices.
So, I guess one of you will be having to move to the capitol, Dallas. :P
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 15:44:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: Cynicom (#79)
Should I tell the truth???

Too late in the game to start lying now. ;-)

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 16:23:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: Esso, christine, all (#80)
Were I gov, I'd do my best to stay away from Austin as much as humanly possible, like the do-nothing Dolph Briscoe, a true governs-least sort of guy.
The Lt.Gov. here is the one who wields the real power.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 16:28:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: Esso (#70)
Her bullshit statement about nonexistent Muzzies attacking us to appease the jews totally sucked. 9/11 was yet another jewzio attack on America. End of story. Somebody needs to stand up to these bastards. She blew her chance.

Totally bagged that one. That's a litmus test for me and should be for all.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2010-02-11 16:31:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: Lod (#66)
Rickie would be all over that lip-lock.

for all we know he already did her. and her hubby...

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2010-02-11 16:32:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: christine (#23)
Remember how Glenn Beck went after Ron Paul and totally trashed him in 2008?? Debra Medina was inspired by Ron Paul and is a threat to the establishment Republicans, so Glenn Beck did to Debra Medina exactly what he did to Ron Paul. This is now an established pattern by Glenn Beck to perpetuate the lockstep mentality of the two-party fraud and keep outsiders from gaining entrance to government. Glenn Beck is the lowest of the low no matter how many times he cries like a little baby as he wraps himself in the American flag.
_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2010-02-11 16:48:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: Rotara. all (#84)
clarification, if needed -

It was dreck who was wanting to kiss Rickie.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 16:49:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: Lod, christine, all Texans (#86)
found on LP, thought it was good

#11. To: Abcdefg (#3)
Well...the bullsh*t starts. And it's too bad...and won't stop now.
The people of Texas needed someone to offset Perry so Beck put Medina in the frying pan now to help Perry out. She got "Snookered"..."Rick-Rolled" by mister good hair.
To:Glen Beck....Thanks you two-bit piece of trash. You just showed your true colors.
We all know now where those e-mails came from...Rick Perry INC.
Any friend of Perry is a enemy of Texans....and that's the way I see it.
bobsmooth posted on 2010-02-11 15:45:28 ET Reply Trace
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-02-11 17:48:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: James Deffenbach (#87)
Alphabet poster nailed it dead center.
Invite'em over for some real conversation.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 17:51:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: All (#88)
Actually, it was bobsmooth who nailed it.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 17:52:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: Lod (#88)
Invite'em over for some real conversation.

I don't post there, just lurk. Used to post there but it's been a long time. But I thought you guys in Texas would like to see his comment.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-02-11 18:10:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
Unless I heard another broadcast, this is totally inaccurate

She avoided saying anything more than there are questions about 9-11 that haven't been answered satisfactorily.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
noone222 posted on 2010-02-11 18:19:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: christine (#0)
I remember not long ago that Beck came under fire for something BIG. Remember when people wanted his butt fired, and he sailed through it unscathed?
Ever wonder why? Ever wonder how?
With this and other various little attacks on good people, DECENT PEOPLE, everyone is shown the truth.
There is NO hope in media of getting anything close to truth out there. It's all trickery and nonsense.
Even Alex Jones is a fraud now. The worst part of all of this, is the fact that you simply can't trust anyone. Period.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
TommyTheMadArtist posted on 2010-02-11 18:46:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: Esso, christine, Sonovademocrat, Lod, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, CadetD, IndieTX, bluegrass, HOUNDDAWG, Kamal, Deacon Benjamin, farmfriend, Original_Intent, noone222, groundresonance, James Deffenbach, Eric Stratton, Rotara, Horse (#45)
...there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11. I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way.
She's less than worthless. Just another ZioNutter.

A couple of points, one I've made before to JT:
This is an example of how "conservatives" and "patriots" do more damage than the admitted Marxists. They wave flags, pray in public for the country, and pay homage to motherhood and pumpkin pie. But they're working at opposites to our national interests all the time, and they have influence with people who should know better. The worst part about it is that they don't even have to be "on the take" to do these things. They probably believe they're doing what they should. Beck probably sleeps fine at night, with a clear conscience.
Glenn Beck has one motivation for attacking Medina on these grounds: he himself is already considered a nutter as far as the left and center right is concerned. By attacking Medina for refusing to say she believes the Bush cabinet's explanation for the attacks he can lay claim to a tiny piece of "legitimacy." That's the situation we're in. I don't know Medina's history well. Someone, help me out here. But my guess is that she isn't a crackpot like Beck is himself. He's the one who touts any conspiracy theory that sounds conservative without ample evidence.
It's the knowing better part that I think matters the most here. We've got to admit that Americans are going to be held responsible for their ignorance.
The second point I'd like to make is to defend Medina's position. I doubt that any of us knows exactly what happened on 9/11. In all things, a governor should consider evidence that is free of innuendo and inference. All we can know for certain is that our three branches of government used the attacks of 9/11 to carry out an agenda that is many cases counter to American liberty and favors Israel's regional interests at the expense of our non-alignment. In other words, we can say for certain who benefited: Israel. We can say who lost: we lost freedom. Most of the other "truther" style evidence is debatable. It's not proof of something specific, not yet. So Ron Paul and Debra Medina have been logically correct in what they've said.
Our problem is to educate our fellow citizens. I haven't figured how to do it. Let me know when you've got an idea that will make a difference.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 19:21:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: Deasy (#93) (Edited)
Our problem is to educate our fellow citizens. I haven't figured how to do it.

by your own admission, you cant even educate yourself, because you, and the rest of us, are deprived of the information you need.

"I doubt that any of us knows exactly what happened on 9/11."
"We've got to admit that Americans are going to be held responsible for their ignorance."

we can assume, then, that you're holding yourself responsible for your own admitted ignorance, cant we...

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 19:27:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: groundresonance (#94)
Like I said, "help me out here."

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 19:29:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: Deasy (#95)
first, i'd suggest you quit blaming americans for their ignorance when it's a matter of policy to keep them ignorant.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 19:30:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: groundresonance (#96)
We'll be held accountable by history either way.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 19:32:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: Deasy (#93)
Well stated.

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-11 19:33:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: Deasy (#97) (Edited)
We'll be held accountable by history either way.

ah.
you think that nobody is saving all this stuff, and historians who document the collapse of america will not figure out who is to blame for the ignorance of the american people?

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 19:34:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: Jethro Tull, christine (#98)
Medina is my kind of governor. Now that I've visited her website, I see why the Israel-firsters hate her.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 19:34:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: Deasy (#100)
it's almost as if you've never heard of leo strauss and his "noble lies".

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 19:36:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: Deasy (#100)
of course, if you've never heard of strauss and his policy of lying to the governed, then i guess there's nobody to blame but you...
Results 1 - 10 of about 48,300 for "leo strauss" lies

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 19:38:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: groundresonance, JRiggs (#99)
you think that somebody is not saving all this stuff, and historians who document the collapse of america will not figure out who to blame for the ignorance of the american people?

Ample post by yourself; lets see JRiggs get a dig in here.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 19:38:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#104. To: christine (#35)
Texas does not need another politician who tells you what you want to hear, then violates your liberties and steals your property anyway. I fully expect to be questioned and to be held accountable as Governor, and that's the underlying issue here: should people be questioning their government. And the answer is yes, they should be."

What a frigging KOOK.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2010-02-11 19:40:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#105. To: groundresonance (#99)
you think that nobody is saving all this stuff, and historians who document the collapse of america will not figure out who is to blame for the ignorance of the american people?

I think it's being saved, and historians will document it, if it continues to happen.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 19:43:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#106. To: Esso (#80)
o, I guess one of you will be having to move to the capitol, Dallas. :P

Houston's the capitol, you dunce.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2010-02-11 19:44:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#107. To: tom007, Esso (#106)
It's a state capital. The Capitol is in Washington D.C.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 19:45:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#108. To: Deasy (#105) (Edited)
I think it's being saved, and historians will document it, if it continues to happen.

it's already happened, it's been happening for years, it's continuing to happen, and it will continue happening so long as america is governed by neocon policies, including the policy of lying to the governed.
it's way too late to bury the facts, and the winners who write the history already have tons of documents that show exactly what happened, what is still happening, and what will continue to happen until the day the last neocon in america boards his gulfstream and flits off to argentina with his loot.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 19:48:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#109. To: Deasy (#105)
I think it's being saved, and historians will document it, if it continues to happen.

Whom are the historians.. just a pile of snot-nosed government agreeing college graduates?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 19:49:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#110. To: tom007 (#106)
Houston's the capitol, you dunce.

Wrong! Then the TeeVee show would've been called Houston, not Dallas. :P
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 19:49:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#111. To: groundresonance (#108)
You drive some bitter, yet clear logic.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 19:49:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#112. To: buckeroo (#109)
Whom are the historians.. just a pile of snot-nosed government agreeing college graduates?

psychohistorians need truthful history.
they need to test their equations describing mass human behavior against truthful history, in order to refine the equations they use to predict and manipulate the behavior of the masses.
which is not to say that truthful history will be made available to the masses... far from it.
truth is too precious to be wasted on common people.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 19:53:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#113. To: buckeroo (#109) (Edited)
Whom are the historians.. just a pile of snot-nosed government agreeing college graduates?

Today's historians: paid by foundations with agendas. In 100 years, who knows?

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 19:56:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#114. To: buckeroo (#109)
the basic ideas of government by psychohistory...
1. you must have a reasonably truthful account of history... these accounts of history will be used to test and calibrate mathematical expressions that are developed to predict and manipulate human behavior... aka, "future history".
2. you need sophisticated mathematical descriptions of human behavior.
3. if your history is truthful and your math is sophisticated enough, you can predict trends in mass human behavior, although you will still be unable to predict behavior of individual humans.
4. you can spot unwanted trends in mass human behavior hundreds of years before they become problems, and head them off with a minimum and undetectable application of force.
5. your predictions and even the guild of psychohistorians itself must be kept secret, lest the resistance counterpredict and nullify your predictions.
6. the public will be fed lies tailored to produce the desired response.
.
so given the value of truthful accounts of history, it's probable that there are historians that know the whole story of, for instance, 9/11.
the chance of the truth being acknowledged by any of the responsible parties approaches zero.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 19:58:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#115. To: Deasy (#107)
It's a state capital. The Capitol is in Washington D.C.

Your write, I get that mixed up allot.
Is the building in the state capital the capitol building or capital building?
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 19:58:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#116. To: buckeroo (#109)
Asimov's "Foundation" novels — the most famous science-fiction trilogy between "Lord of the Rings" and "Star Wars" — described a new science of social behavior called psychohistory. Mixing psychology with math, psychohistory hijacked the methods of physics to precisely predict the future course of human events.
Today, Asimov's vision is no longer wholly fiction. His psychohistory exists in a loose confederation of research enterprises seeking equations that capture patterns in human behavior.
These enterprises go by different names and treat different aspects of the issue. But they all share a goal of better understanding the present in order to foresee the future, and possibly help shape it.
Jewish World Review July 16, 2004

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 20:00:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#117. To: Esso (#115)
Are we talking Houston or Dallas, or Austin :)

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 20:01:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#118. To: Esso (#70)
Her bullshit statement about nonexistent Muzzies attacking us to appease the jews totally sucked. 9/11 was yet another jewzio attack on America. End of story. Somebody needs to stand up to these bastards. She blew her chance.

i have to agree. she caved. period. we have NO ONE who can stand up to the pressure. let's face it. another one bites the dust. they've beat us again.
p.s. i hate glenn beck. i'll not say what i wish would happen to him.

christine posted on 2010-02-11 20:04:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#119. To: groundresonance, buckeroo (#114)
the basic ideas of government by psychohistory...

Then it's a race to see who can control the view of the past. The ordinary people appear to be losing the battle. Even so-called equalizing technologies like social networking appear to have benefited the Establishment, as Obama (no populust) won with millions in online donations in 2008.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 20:07:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#120. To: groundresonance (#112)
If you ever notice official government reckoning, no matter where the common illiterate diatribe comes from, it is possible to "sustain" the world. Some of these "people" pick up their rants on the Internet... never knowing what they do, agreeing with ways to eliminate personal rights. It is a tug-o-war out here.
Yet there is no question our individual rights remain insecure and not biased posters begging the governments of the world.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 20:13:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#121. To: Deasy (#119)
technologies like social networking appear to have benefited the Establishment

when facebook is touted by the president of israel, i dont see why that should be much of a surprise.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 20:15:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#122. To: Deasy (#117)
Are we talking Houston or Dallas, or Austin

Talk about government waste! How many capitals does Texas need?
Actually, I asked that question because I did a search for 'What is the capitol/capital of Texas?' (I used both spellings in separate searches) hoping to find a poll or something to see how many people get Austin wrong. I bet it's a lot, outside of Texas.
I didn't have any luck finding what I was looking for, but it seemed like the search results used capital/capitol interchangeably when talking about the building. Now I don't know which is which. Or is it witch? DAMN THESE WORDS!
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 20:16:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#123. To: christine, Esso (#118)
we have NO ONE who can stand up to the pressure.

The real pressure here is reason. If you don't know who organized the 9/11 attacks, you don't know. By knowing, I mean corroborated confessions. I mean money trails that lead to specific operatives who are on tape or have reliable witnesses who say they know who did it. We have some interesting leads, but we don't have all the facts yet.
Anyway, she stood her ground on the air very well. Should any of us have to believe what they other believes about 9/11? Think of how counterproductive it is to require others to conclude the same things you have based on inconsistencies and unbelievable information in the media, especially after you've focused on it for so many years. Maybe she hasn't. This is an opportunity for a lot of liberty-minded people in Texas to learn together. It's not a time to pull Medina down for not being as quick as you are to draw conclusions.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 20:20:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#124. To: Deasy (#93)
The second point I'd like to make is to defend Medina's position. I doubt that any of us knows exactly what happened on 9/11. In all things, a governor should consider evidence that is free of innuendo and inference. All we can know for certain is that our three branches of government used the attacks of 9/11 to carry out an agenda that is many cases counter to American liberty and favors Israel's regional interests at the expense of our non-alignment. In other words, we can say for certain who benefited: Israel. We can say who lost: we lost freedom. Most of the other "truther" style evidence is debatable. It's not proof of something specific, not yet. So Ron Paul and Debra Medina have been logically correct in what they've said.

you make some sense here, but i think both RP and Debra could have and should have said a lot less. had Debra just let it go with what she said in the interview, i would be satisfied. one thing one of these candidates/politicians seemingly are never able to do when questioned about 911 is turn it around on the questioner. she could have said she hasn't drawn any conclusions because we've (including the families of the victims) been unable to get answers from the government. she could have asked him if he had answers to many of the questions that the 911 commission failed to address? how about building 7?

christine posted on 2010-02-11 20:21:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#125. To: christine (#124)
she could have asked why the 9/11 investigation was resisted, tooth and nail, until all the evidence was shipped to japan and turned into tunafish cans.

groundresonance posted on 2010-02-11 20:26:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#126. To: christine (#124) (Edited)
but i think both RP and Debra could have and should have said a lot less.

Well it's good to keep in mind that she probably hasn't thought this through as much as you have. I don't know, but my guess is that her personal life is probably a lot more ordinary than a cynical political forum administrator's. If she doesn't know very much about the history of 9/11 "doubt," then it's OK to say what she said. As far as reserving judgment, she's going to get asked about this a lot in the coming days so let's see how she does with more time.
he could have asked him if he had answers to many of the questions that the 911 commission failed to address? how about building 7?
That's if she had thought about it a lot, like you have. Even now that she's been attacked on the issue (why, for having truther supporters and going on the AJ show, what's the history?) she may not have better retorts. This may not be her big issue.
If she's an isolationist, wants to close the borders, and is against redistribution of wealth, then she has answered all of your questions except one. You might consider a live radio interview with her. Be up front: tell her front people what you believe, and that you want her to exchange views with you.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 20:27:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#127. To: christine (#124)
Nobody understands 9/11 ... you are looking for faeries in a way to reassure you can go to bed and have have sleepy-dreams.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 20:30:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#128. To: Deasy, All (#93)
Our problem is to educate our fellow citizens. I haven't figured how to do it.

Well, first you get a big club and then....

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 20:37:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#129. To: christine (#0)
The official version of 9/11 is the Jewish version. Beck poops Jewish!
Jews are the reason he is on radio and TV.
Jews want someone, that leads any movement, to also poop out their victimization narrative. The Jews can count Beck.
Beck correctly goes on and on about bad government - but he hides the real problem facing America - it is its Jews. Today there is no major problem in America that cannot be traced back to Jewish influence, either culturally, economically, or foreign policy wise.
Always lead the opposition - in Beck, the Jews have their man -- he is the problem, he is a traitor.

your_neighbor posted on 2010-02-11 20:37:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#130. To: Cynicom (#128)
Clubs just make them angrier.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 20:38:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#131. To: Cynicom (#128)
Well, first you get a big club and then....

you are a little soft to carry a BIG stick.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 20:41:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#132. To: Deasy (#130)
Clubs just make them angrier.

Not true, not true.
You have never seen an angry sheep. NO, never.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 20:41:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#133. To: Cynicom (#132)
You have never seen an angry sheep. NO, never.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 20:47:16 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#134. To: Deasy (#107)
t's a state capital. The Capitol is in Washington D.C.

Thanks D, I have been a tad confused with that issue. I always thought capital was only physical goods, now I understand grammar a bit better thanks to you. So to be clear state's have capitals, nations have capitols?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2010-02-11 20:51:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#135. To: Cynicom (#132)
You have never seen an angry sheep. NO, never.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 20:52:42 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#136. To: Esso (#110)
Wrong! Then the TeeVee show would've been called Houston, not Dallas. :P

Ya got me, man what can I say.
I know that Austin Texas was named for Jane Austin, because the people loved her books so.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2010-02-11 20:54:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#137. To: Deasy (#126)
If she's an isolationist, wants to close the borders, and is against redistribution of wealth, then she has answered all of your questions except one.

absolutely. i still support her and will vote for her. all things considered at this point in time, her thoughts on 911 aren't all that significant; especially because none of us will ever know what really happened.

christine posted on 2010-02-11 20:54:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#138. To: All (#129)
p.s. Why does Beck distrust government actions - but stands foursquare behind the governments 9/11 findings.
p.s. Tell us Mr. Beck!

your_neighbor posted on 2010-02-11 21:03:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#139. To: your_neighbor (#138)
9/11 is a "slam dump" deal. In this one case of government intervention, they were right. Although the US government let us down during 9/11, the US government let us us down after wards stripping us of of our God given rights.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
buckeroo posted on 2010-02-11 21:12:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#140. To: Deasy (#126)
Yep. From what little I know about TX politics, Medina seems head and shoulders above Perry and the other Washington insider in a skirt. That said, suppose Medina went on Beck today and said that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, but rather a missile, and the plane, BTW, is missing without a trace some nine years later. She wouldn't be elected to the local school board, never mind state wide office. I believe her written response to 9-11 is her belief system as of today, and Beck chose to contort that into a dreaded "truther" position. Beck's old, but effective smear seems to have worked yet again. At least with some. As for me, given the desperate political times we're in, if I had a shot to dump Perry and/or Hutchinson, I'd take it.

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-11 21:15:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#141. To: All, A letter to Glenn Beck from a Texan (#140)
Glenn,
I'm a Texan and a Grass-roots, Tea Party, Conservative. My husband and I marched on the Capital in D.C. on 9/12. We have also watched your show and listened to your radio show consistently and encouraged our friends and family to do the same. Most of all, I am as far as you can get from a 9/11 Truther. And although this is a free country, and I defend anybody's right to think what they will, I would never support any politician who believed that our government had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks.
But I have to say, I'm as mad as I've ever been about what you did to Debra Medina today on your radio show, and the total disrespect you had for her as a citizen of Texas. She has spent a good part of her adult life doing just what you have preached for the last year -- getting involved to make a difference in a political process that has gone mad. So many of us in Texas have supported her and prayed that she would make it on the ballot for the sake of Texas. With little to no money for a campaign, we have all joined together through emailing, door to door campaigning and word of mouth to help her reach the unprecedented gains in the polls she has accomplished.
Last week she had a wonderful national interview with Judge Napolitano, and we all cheered and thanked God for the opportunity. This week we looked forward to her interview with our champion, Glenn Beck. Well, I can't speak for all Medina supporters, but my heart sank when I heard the things you said about her. Not only because of how you might have hurt Debra, but also for all the people I had promoted you to.
And for those of us who have lived in Texas through Perry's reign of cronyism and Hutchinson's broken promises, Debra Medina is a champion for Texas whom we can believe in. And she certainly did not come out of the woodwork. She's an experienced advocate and willing to work 24/7 for a state and country she loves and believes in. And for you to dismiss her because of rumors and a non-related question you tried to force upon her, is beneath you. Or at least the person I thought you were. Now I wonder about a lot of people you've discarded as you moved up the popularity ladder. I know in a large part it's you showing your power, while playing the "man of the people" card, but just know-- Debra Medina is our "man (or woman) of the people" and when you trash her, you are trashing the people of Texas. And we don't like people messing with Texas. Think twice next time. I seriously believe you owe her an apology and an unbiased interview.
Sincerely, Kelli

christine posted on 2010-02-11 21:24:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#142. To: Deasy (#93)
Our problem is to educate our fellow citizens. I haven't figured how to do it. Let me know when you've got an idea that will make a difference.

Good post, and well said, thanks.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 21:28:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#143. To: buckeroo (#139)
9/11 is a "slam dump" deal. In this one case of government intervention, they were right.

The 9/11 commission did not tell the "whole truth" -- it left out any mention of Israeli knowledge or involvement.
Because they did so - we were led into wars that are still ongoing, for ten bloody years.
That is a crime - a major crime against humanity - put on the world by its Jews!

your_neighbor posted on 2010-02-11 21:31:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#144. To: Kelli, Jethro Tull, christine, Cynicom (#140)
Well, I can't speak for all Medina supporters, but my heart sank when I heard the things you said about her.

Kelli's passion for what she believes is touching, but I'd like to encourage her to become more cynical. The sooner people abandon hope in the likes of Beck, or anything else they see on "Faux" news the better. Cynicism is patriotism.

Deasy posted on 2010-02-11 21:32:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#145. To: Deasy (#93)
Great post, Deasy.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-02-11 21:34:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#146. To: Deasy (#93)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Eric Stratton posted on 2010-02-11 21:41:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#147. To: christine, first (#118)
First, I agree that dreck dying of hemorrhoid problems would be justice well served.
Second, I don't believe that this insane hatchet-job will kill Debra's chances. I'm going to move on and keep doing what I'm doing to help get her real message out there.
What other choice do I have?

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 21:41:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#148. To: Esso. all (#122)
O - building A - city
It' goofy like Au and Ag - just go with what seems like the wrong one.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 21:44:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#149. To: christine (#124)
she could have said she hasn't drawn any conclusions because we've (including the families of the victims) been unable to get answers from the government. she could have asked him if he had answers to many of the questions that the 911 commission failed to address? how about building 7?

Correct.
I just wonder what dreck's people told her that they would be discussing. You know that it wasn't 9/11.
We have the benefit of what we know, in calm hindsight, but there she was, just an unwitting target for that tool's blindside attack.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 21:50:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#150. To: christine (#137)
absolutely. i still support her and will vote for her. all things considered at this point in time, her thoughts on 911 aren't all that significant; especially because none of us will ever know what really happened.

Like Debra Medina said, it has no bearing upon being governor of Texas.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2010-02-11 21:54:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#151. To: Lod, Christine, Jethro tull, All (#149)
just an unwitting target for that tool's blindside attack.

Well then, why not use the "attack" to her advantage.
Instead of defending her position, something he wanted her to do, ATTACK THE CREEP BACK WITH A SCATHING PUBLIC STATEMENT...worded so as to encourage her supporters and undermine Beck.
Defense NEVER wins in politics.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 21:55:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#152. To: Cynicom (#151)
Defense NEVER wins in politics.

Yepper there.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2010-02-11 21:56:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#153. To: Jethro Tull (#140)
As for me, given the desperate political times we're in, if I had a shot to dump Perry and/or Hutchinson, I'd take it.

Yep.
And count on it, they'll never be posed the 9/11 question.
We have to, have to, remember that the goal is to keep the trusted, vetted players, in play.
Screw we the people.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 21:57:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#154. To: Cynicom (#151)
Well then, why not use the "attack" to her advantage.
Instead of defending her position, something he wanted her to do, ATTACK THE CREEP BACK WITH A SCATHING PUBLIC STATEMENT...worded so as to encourage her supporters and undermine Beck.

i hope she does that, Cyni.

christine posted on 2010-02-11 22:09:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#155. To: tom007 (#152)
Defense NEVER wins in politics.
Yepper there.

Tom...
I was despised in County politics because I used the attack method on those in office. Once you let them put you on the defensive, you are finished.
The "system" incumbents have the power and the money behind the scene, always, so playing nice gets you beaten. I attacked my own nephew in county office and ran him off, he was corrupt, had to go. The voters WILL follow if you show them the way.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 22:10:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#156. To: christine (#154)
i hope she does that, Cyni.

She wont.
Neophyte.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 22:13:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#157. To: christine (#154)
I would issue a public statement so outrageous that Beck would have to respond, not just ignore her as he is most likely to do.
Allude to the facts as known about Beck, even that he might wear pink silk underwear, anything to provoke him. If he ignores her, he has won.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 22:17:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#158. To: Cynicom. all (#156)
Tomorrow, I'll be sure that this thread will be in her office.
I hope that it is all read, digested, and acted upon.

Lod posted on 2010-02-11 22:17:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#159. To: Cynicom (#157)
he probably does wear pink undies as he fantasizes about french kissing Ron Paul and Rick Perry.

christine posted on 2010-02-11 22:18:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#160. To: Lod (#153)
We have to, have to, remember that the goal is to keep the trusted, vetted players, in play.

This is your race living in TX. I know I'd do all I could to depose of the two rats with all that precious government experience. Here in PA I will personally walk thru 5 feet of global warming to vote AGAINST Spector. I could care less if his opponent wears a red suit and has horns.

Jethro Tull posted on 2010-02-11 22:21:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#161. To: Lod, christine (#148) (Edited)
Thanks. I'd still like to see a poll on 'what's the capital of TX?' It'd probably look like this:
Dallas 59%
Houston 17%
Phoenix 9%
Fort Worth 5%
The Alamo 4%
Mexico 1%
Austin 0.2%
Don't know/ran away 4.8%
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2010-02-11 22:21:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#162. To: Lod, christine, All (#158) (Edited)
Sir Lod..
In checking a long bio of Beck.
Here is where Miss Medina should start...what follows is from a bio of Beck...
"Radio historian Marc Fisher has posited that Beck is "first and foremost an entertainer."
His bio and background is rather lurid...A dream come true for anyone wishing to put Beck in his real position in political life.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 22:28:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#163. To: Cynicom (#162)
Beck=speck

Ric O’Barry -- Earth Island Institute
Ferret Mike posted on 2010-02-11 22:38:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#164. To: Cynicom, All, Email from Medina List (#162)
All,
I have received numerous emails and calls responding to Debra Medina’s radio interview with Glen Beck today. This email is a reply to the questions being raised about Debra Medina as a result of the interview. I will leave it to each of you to come to your own conclusion once you have investigated both sides of this debate.
One simple truth is that Debra Medina is intentionally putting herself in front of as many microphones as possible to communicate her message to the voters of Texas. This free publicity helps her compete against well funded candidates who can remain silent on the issues but flood the airwaves with their rehearsed ads. Speaking to a live audience has its benefits but potential pitfalls as well.
I would ask that you please read Debra's Press Release clarifying her position with respect to the questions raised during the Glen Beck interview before reacting to the opinions of others. Clearly her answer to Glen Beck could have been more succinct. That is the beauty of live broadcasts. Every spoken word presents the opportunity for a misstep.
http://www.medinafortexas.com/getPost?p=272
Keep in mind that Debra's message has always been about the preservation of individual freedoms. She includes among these freedoms the right of individuals to question our government. For some this means the freedom to question government mandated healthcare, or our participation in wars against other countries and for a minority it means the freedom to question the birthplace of Barak Obama or to demand more information about the events of Sept. 11th.
Debra’s positions on property tax, imminent domain, border security and nullification all stem from her strong belief that a failure to restrain government from exceeding the limits defined within our Constitution will be at the expense of individual freedoms.
Debra also believes it is not the right of government to restrict an individuals 1st amendment rights that include an individuals right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The reality remains this campaign is about what is best for the people of Texas. Debra's competitors favor big government solutions to solve our big problems. Big government has provided Texans with a national ranking of 47th in education, a $14 BILLION 2010 budget deficit, support for government confiscation of private property and alignment with special interests and in opposition to individual freedom of choice.
The Glen Beck interview like the efforts to paint Debra as a radical who wants to legalize drugs and prostitution are attempts by the status quo to move the conversation away from the real issues. This election remains in the hands of Texas voters to shift through the facts and vote for the candidate who offers the best answers to the challenges facing this great state.
Regards,
David Kuhn

christine posted on 2010-02-11 22:40:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#165. To: Ferret Mike, All (#163)
Mike...
Becks background is very lurid. A hatchet man would have a field day there.
It is so bad, there are things there even I would not touch, from common decency.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 22:41:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#166. To: christine (#164)
I would ask that you please read Debra's Press Release clarifying her position

With all due respect, clarifying after the fact,...is a loser, always.

Cynicom posted on 2010-02-11 22:50:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#167. To: christine, Cynicom, David Kuhn, all (#164)
Thanks for posting David's letter here.
This morning's local talk show, KLBJ590am, had several calls about dreck's program yesterday. Most of the callers support Debra: as Sam Cox mentioned, her popularity is in large part due to the people's rejection of business as usual in Washington and Austin, and a desire to get rid of the careerists in politics.

Lod posted on 2010-02-12 10:03:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#168. To: christine (#0)

Central Banks are FARO Banks
Oh what a DUFFLE-HEAD that Barack Obama is !!! Duffle-Head (As used in a Felix the Cat cartoon) A wicked person of limited intelegence but with pretenses of intelectual grandeur. Their only successful endevors are usually the invention of self punishment machines.
Coral Snake posted on 2010-02-13 6:23:32 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#169. To: christine (#0)
Glenn Beck does a hit job on Debra Medina on his show this morning

It's impossible to do a "hit job" on a "truther."
"Truthers" destroy themselves each time they speak.

Mister Clean posted on 2010-02-13 8:33:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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