Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes Source:
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"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
If I showed pictures or videos of the twin towers disintegrating on 9/11 to someone who believes they 'pancaked' due to airplanes hitting them would it make a difference?
No. Shills and people in debunkers are supremely unconcerned about facts. They have their "minds" made up and do not wish to be confused or even look.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Your picture and YouTube presentation use a similar theme: a very high altitude jet aircraft is emitting water vapor and a relatively low flying jet aircraft has emitted water vapor. In the case of the "contrail" the water vapor quickly freezes changing the reflectivity index, so you don't see the apparent trail for very long based on the angle of the pictures to the craft and the angle of the Sun at that time.
And for the lower flying jet aircraft wherein the "Chemtrail" appears to linger forever.... at the altitude flown, freezing did not occur. And there are other factors as well, air temperature, air velocity, time of day and actual chemical composition of the exhaust since air and jet fuel components need to be factored into the water vapor mixture that has been expelled.
If I showed pictures or videos of the twin towers disintegrating on 9/11 to someone who believes they 'pancaked' due to airplanes hitting them would it make a difference?
The trigger mechanism or ignition of 9/11 about the twin towers collapse was about jet aircraft pounding into the twin towers. Jet aircraft fuel is very flammable which leads us back into Chemtrails. That same combustion mixture (depending on the aircraft) gets transferred (although, very small trace amounts) into the exhausted water vapor. This leads to the variations you see in the sky.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
The ability to differentiate between truth and fiction, logic and fallacies and have enough open-mindedness to re-examine one's beliefs based on facts and use critical, independent thinking seems to be both a blessing and a curse at times.
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
I remember when there were no 'whiteouts'. I remember a time 10 to 20 years ago when the sky was sometimes overcast with cloud cover, but never from chemtrails sprayed by airplanes.
Concur. As an avid aviation buff I've been interested in aircraft ever since I was literally "knee high". My mom said that I would even point to the sky and say "ane, ane" - and usually before anyone could see it (I've always had good hearing). Back to the point - as an avid sky watcher I used to note and even look for contrails when I was a kid, and the conditions to form them are not as common as the dabunkers would like people to believe. Often I would see a plane go overhead at high altitude leaving no contrail. To have one leave a hazy lazy spreading one simply did not happen at all. Contrails have known characteristics and are formed by known processes - and a plane has to be at 33,000 feet altitude or above AND have the right atmospheric conditions. To take the duhbunkers attitude at face value one would have to believe that physical properties and the atmosphere had both changed radically since the late 80's.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Well and good but the photo does not include one key element - TIME. Yes B-17's at high altitude would form contrails from the engine exhaust. However, there is nothing here that shows they persisted for any great length of time AND there were a good many four engined aircraft in the flight with each engine leaving a trail so one would expect more trails. That still disproves nothing.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The ability to differentiate between truth and fiction, logic and fallacies and have enough open-mindedness to re-examine one's beliefs based on facts and use critical, independent thinking seems to be both a blessing and a curse at times.
It's never a curse. It just becomes frustrating when one runs into illogical dogmatism. The old "my mind is made up now don't confuse me with the facts". Sadly, I have come to expect it from some percentage of people. It is a fact of life that some people simply will not, seem to be incapable of, reevaluating a position and then changing it when the facts warrant.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Those aren't contrails. Despite what the caption at the bottom says. Condensation from engine exhaust NEVER does that. EVER.
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
The trigger mechanism or ignition of 9/11 about the twin towers collapse was about jet aircraft pounding into the twin towers. Jet aircraft fuel is very flammable which leads us back into Chemtrails. That same combustion mixture (depending on the aircraft) gets transferred (although, very small trace amounts) into the exhausted water vapor. This leads to the variations you see in the sky.
So, taking your, unproved, assertion every jet aircraft should produce a contrail at all times and altitudes.
Yet we can observe they do not.
Next.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
LOL! You got me on that one. Sigh. For all the trials I would not give up my intellect and observational faculties given to me to be just another mind numbed member of the herd. To think freely is to be free. It is just annoying when you bounce off a block of wood. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
It is just annoying when you bounce off a block of wood. ;-)
I guess the simple solution would be to stop bouncing.
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
So, taking your, unproved, assertion every jet aircraft should produce a contrail at all times and altitudes.
I never said that; you asserted the assumption. The water vapor emissions are based on flight plans for craft weight and balance and are normally expelled over rural areas depending on the many factors that the pilot considers along with ground control.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
I've looked at the first one before and it is definitely a "de-bunker" site. The PsyOp people have gotten smarter - they now set up their own phony "authority" sites to provide something to link to. Some of them are pretty slickly done and they have learned to hide the "whois" data as several got caught early on operating off of CIA Servers or being owned and hosted by a known "front".
The disinfo war has gotten more and more interesting and more and more one has to be able to sort through reams of bullshit and correctly categorize. People without training in formal reasoning are, unless unusually perceptive and aware, facing a maze.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Absolutely - we have our very own representatives of the "Department of Truth" here to entertain us. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What is a blessing is that there are many people such as yourself that I can talk to about this. Even if I have to go on the Internet to find them. Where I live there are people that are aware of them too, but most are apathetic anyway. I myself am apathetic about it most of the time. There doesn't seem to be much one can do about it other than try and tell people.
Here are a couple of good comments from the first site I linked:
There are several problems with your statement that what we are seeing today are just “persistent” contrails and nothing more.
“Persistent” contrails require very specific upper atmospheric conditions. Today, anyone can photograph and then compare aircraft contrail formation with “Upper Air Sounding” (weather balloon) data from such sites as the University of Wyoming…
We are seeing GIANT contrails that go for hundreds of kilometers and cover the sky in an opaque white mass with as few as 20-30 aircraft passes. This is occurring at historically LOW Relative Humidity levels in the upper atmosphere. Also, many of these contrails are showing up on radar as being HIGHLY reflective and clearly based on some sort of ‘metallic’ substance.
Here, a German news production reports on the German Military stating they are doing radar experiments covering vast swathes of Germany with huge “contrails” made up of ???? German weather scientists state that the military is altering the weather… http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=MVc9GX5K_As
Here is a mainstream news report from my country where the government admits it has given money to experiment with “Ionizing” the atmosphere to produce rain… http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Duxr53aFCog
If people take the time to understand the science and the main points of this subject they will see that there is more to this than meets the eye.
“They” have been “experimenting” on us for years which has been exposed and admitted too many times. Whats the big deal? Why are people finding this so hard to understand?
Also, those military photo’s you posted.
These are very deceiving as the photographs are taken alongside the aircraft at high altitude. If you were looking at these from ground level the trails would be very short just like you expect a “normal” contrail to be.
Also, imagine Germany in the summer of 1943 when the Allied bombing campaign first got going. You saw HUNDREDS (up to 300-800) American B-17’s ALL in a long line, perhaps 100-200 miles long slowly trundling over Europe and Germany to deliver their deadly cargo. This took place in daylight and you would expect that at some time we would have had the PERFECT upper atmospheric conditions (around 18000ft-20,000ft) for some TRULY spectacular “persistent” aircraft contrails. How many pictures are there of this phenomenon that should of occurred at least once and been photographed? Answer…ZERO. ALL those aircraft. ALL those missions and we do not have ONE decent photo of what the mainstream considers a perfectly “normal” event?
Over Esperance and all over the world ENTIRE SKY’s are being FILLED till they are an opaque white that lasts ALL DAY. This is done with as FEW as 20-30 aircraft passes over head. Why was this not seen in WW2 if it is such a “normal” event?
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
Absolutely - we have our very own representatives of the "Department of Truth" here to entertain us. ;-)
"But Oceania's always been at war with Eurasia."
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
“They” have been “experimenting” on us for years which has been exposed and admitted too many times. Whats the big deal? Why are people finding this so hard to understand?
Good post. Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect. Fluoridation is another - which the evidence is accumulating that it does nothing for tooth decay, and in fact causes Dental Fluorodosis from excessive exposure, however, it is great for pacifying a large population as the Nazis discovered. Experiments such as the Tuskegee Experiment where men infected with syphilis were let die so that that "Doctors" could observe the progress of the disease over time. And as well there are documented cases of experimenting on Military Personnel - such as marching them out to an atomic bomb blast site to see what would happen. But the Turtles of the world want to bury their heads because if they noticed something wrong and would feel responsible, and too many people will do everything they can to avoid responsibility. Dumb apathy and denial are much easier than taking responsibility for making the world a better place.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Absolutely - we have our very own representatives of the "Department of Truth" here to entertain us. ;-)
"But Oceania's always been at war with Eurasia."
And "ignorance is strength".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect.
AHHA! Earlier you said you maintained no speculation about this "issue." Now Americans are being experimented upon based upon some .... freak in a back room called "they."
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Poor Buckie - trying to explain how the two remain consistent is probably beyond your willingness to reason. Sigh.
However, in brief, if one assumes, as I do, that Chemtrails are the result of some sort of program, simply putting that shit in the air is by definition an experiment upon everyone within its range intentional or not, primary purpose for the the spraying or not.
However, such reasoning would appear to be beyond your ken.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
OI, you old softy, you. You took the bait. Tsk, tsk, tsk. ;-)
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Can you be consistent once in awhile on a single thread and within a few hours of time? Am I asking too much?
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
I suppose if it wasn't for the jokers this would just be an echo chamber.
"It has been said, 'time heals all wounds'. I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens. But it is never gone." ~ Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
How many pictures are there of this phenomenon that should of occurred at least once and been photographed? Answer…ZERO. ALL those aircraft. ALL those missions and we do not have ONE decent photo of what the mainstream considers a perfectly “normal” event?
Not one decent photo? How many do you want? There is nothing deceiving about them.
Someone posted about "chemtrails" being especially heavy near a storm front. There is nothing sinister about this.
For the weather- matcher, a long-lasting contrail can be a useful sign, as it reveals the presence of significant high-level moisture. This, in turn, may indicate the approach of a frontal system.
Interesting - when the photo image is large enough to include time i.e., the trailing contrails lenght - it clearly shows that they dissipate quickly regardless of how thick they were when first formed.
So, by cropping photos, or choosing them, to eliminate the time the contrails really existed for it can be used to effectively lie and assert that contrails and chemtrails are the same thing.
As well is the valid point - as has been argued - that contrails are not formed 100% of the time and that the proper atmospheric conditions must exist as well. However, chemtrails are formed regardless of whether or not the conditions exist for the formation of contrails.
I always find it interesting seeing people try to explain things away when they don't fit their preconceptions. It occurs in other areas as well:
In archaeology evidence that does not fit the approved model is attacked and if too well documented simply ignored.
In looking at UFO's the reasoning goes "UFO's don't exist therefore they don't exist".
In Cryptozoology the reasoning goes - "we know what happened and that can't exist because they died out a long time ago" - until a Coelecanth turns up in a Fish Market and suddenly we have a "Golleeee" moment. Still, other anomalies that don't fit the model get ignored or ridiculed - like the multiple reports of Pterodactyls in Northern Mexico and in the area of the Superstition Mountains in the American Southwest. They can't exist so there is no point in looking because since they can't exist they don't exist - "see the textbook says so right here".
And the same occurs with Chemtrails - "the govenment says they don't exist therefore (although it is the government doing it) they don't exist".
It just seems that many people would rather hang on to "what they believe" rather than "what the data indicates".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
My guess... photoshopped WWII 'chemtrails' from modern 'Truth is Lies' disinfo site:
Photoshopped? Perhaps you can provide proof of that? Your "guessing" means less than nothing.
What is the truth is lies disinfo site?
How is it possible that there aren't contrails on some of your pics, and other show them? Were they airbrushed out? Or airbrushed in? Or did the atmosphere at that altitude and time have an effect on them?
The two that you labeled as chemtrails shows B17s as well as higher altitude fighters. Did they spray back then too? Did they put spray tanks on P51s as well?
Really, you're grasping at straws here, IMO.
Please answer these questions. Otherwise you are only looking for an argument for arguments sake.
At this point there are literally thousands to hundreds of thousands of Chemtrail photos on the web at different sites.
While one could claim that some were photoshopped there is no motivation, or reason, to do that in thousands to hundreds of thousands of images.
Methinks thou doth protest too much.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
And the same occurs with Chemtrails - "the govenment says they don't exist therefore (although it is the government doing it) they don't exist".
It just seems that many people would rather hang on to "what they believe" rather than "what the data indicates".
What's disturbing is that it'd be understandable if we were talking about the standard brain damaged sheeple, but here we have otherwise intelligent and rational people who dismiss out of hand any notion that such a thing might be true, based upon some misguided notion that the government would tell us if they were poisoning us from the skies..
Hell, they don't even believe their own "lying eyes" apparently, or totally forget what the skies USED to look like.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
The two that you labeled as chemtrails shows B17s as well as higher altitude fighters. Did they spray back then too? Did they put spray tanks on P51s as well?
He was referencing images that YOU posted which portrayed vapor trails that are far different than normal contrails. You posted them as "proof" that this phenomenon existed even back in WWII. I'd like to see an original source of those images, ie. military photo gallery, and not one whose job it is to debunk chemtrails.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
