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Title: U.S. COAST GUARD THREATENED CBS NEWS CREW WITH ARREST FOR FILMING OIL SPILL
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URL Source: http://cryptogon.com/?p=15552
Published: May 20, 2010
Author: CBS News
Post Date: 2010-05-20 08:18:28 by randge
Keywords: BP, oil spill, Gulf of Mexico, Coast Guard
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Comments: 44
Via: CBS: Kelly Cobiella reports that a CBS News team was threatened with arrest by Coast Guard officials in the Gulf of Mexico who said they were acting under the authority of British Petroleum. Poster Comment: The stinkin' police state attitude we currently suffer under is being imposed by fedcops not only on behalf of the state, but now at the behest of foreign corporations.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
So it seems from what we see here that CBS turns off its video equipment and meekly submits to BP's muscle in the person of our paid public servants. What's with the newshounds of our courageous fifth estate? Catch a case of chickenshit or what?? A picture from NASA showing the spill two days ago: I see psyops everywhere.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Weird.
Seems the most logical thing to do and the fires would self-extinguish. I mean is there a good reason why they're not doing this? Anyone... In what ways might they benefit by not burning it off? Maybe they'll get the contract for cleaning up the mess of the beaches? Just guessing.
I can only venture a guess. It might be because, in the areas remote from the source of the spill, there's not enough on the surface to maintain a burn. I don't think a "sheen" of a few thousands of an inch on the surface could even be lit. Close to the action, where there might be enough on the surface to flare off, it could well present a hazard to operations. My five cents on this.
I see psyops everywhere.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
"These are BP rules, not ours." Yet not a single person in that video bothered to ask where BP gets the authority to make such rules or why the Coast Guard was following the orders of BP. Damn, it reminds me of the old west where the local lawman was under the control of the cattle baron.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Something I've been mulling for a few weeks now has to do with "fixing" the wellhead. We have deepdiver subs that were built for Sub Salvage. Speculatively to recover nukes from a sunken sub. Why can't our great government utilize one or two of them to seal this wellhead? If this has ever been proposed I've not seen it. No more than I or many others trust this illegitimate government, it just makes you speculate in negatives.
Man, that is way over my pay grade. They've got to get a handle on this some how and soon before a big blow shows up on the scene. The weather models are already registering lows and depressions out to 144 hours.
I see psyops everywhere.
I'm hoping that somebody that has more knowledge on this can read it and offer some thoughts or pass it on.
I just called and spoke to a friend, who is a geologist and has worked both on the oil rigs in the gulf and the oil fields on land. To answer some of your queries (some I couldn't remember when talking to him, but can always send him an email), there is NO reason why they can't light all that oil afire. It can be lit even though it isn't on the surface. The only thing that won't burn well are those big "clumps" (my definition). One thing he told me that I wasn't aware of ... that oil they found in Florida is most likely from a "leak" in a pool below the surface. He said there are leaks all over the ocean and can be seen with the proper equipment. He also said that the actual damage suffered will be less than what the environmentalists want us to believe. I will question him more about that in an email. So all you inquisitive people ... just send me your questions in a PM and I will get the answers from my friend.
All my friends are dummies, thats why they have me as a friend.
Hi Cyni ... working on sending my friend an email so I can give posters on there more answers.
Randge: I have sent a more definitive query about the "sheen" of oil and any hazards to a burn. I will post the answers when I have them.
I'll be eager to see what you come up with!
I see psyops everywhere.
Yeah, there is such a shortage of oil that leaks are all over the ocean floor. Wouldn't surprise me one bit and is exactly what I thought. Peak oil and global warming are manufactured problems to keep cheap energy away from the rubes they want to enslave. Cheap energy readily available means less profit for them and more freedom for us.
God is always good!
I have received several emails this morning from my geologist friend. He not only answered my questions, but also forwarded communication(s) he is having with others in the Gulf. I will keep you all informed as I get more information. Send me questions you want answered, please. They have and are continuing to do controlled burns. However this is like putting out a fire with a water pistol. Once the leak is stopped this will become one of the remediation techniques. I do not think BP will make money for a long time. In fact I fear they will declare bankruptcy prior to containing all this and the full burden will be borne by the taxpayers. They could fix it if they could get to it. I understand it is a junk yard down there. They are using robot/remote subs to evaluate and try and remotely close the “blind rams” on the head (Blow out preventer-BOP). I’ve been stewing about this also. A large storm or even a hurricane would do two things: It would blow the slick throughout the wetlands via storm surges and it would also cause the oil to disperse which means that it would go back into its molecular stage then when the seas settle down it would reappear. The slick needs to stay in a localized area for remediation. Oil can follow natural fissures and actually surface. East Texas had many of these during the pioneer days before people knew what to do with it. The Indians and settlers saw it as pools which cattle would get into and die. The Niobrara Tar Pits is another example. This is happening naturally throughout the deep. Pressure from the weight of the water (hydrostatic pressure) does not allow the oil to surface. There is a “cloud” of oil 3000’ below the surface which consists of the heavier asphaltines which will never surface. I do not know what long term harm it will do but it is a result of the BP blowout. I understand the oil has already entered into the current and is travelling towards the Keys and Cuba. It is then to turn north and possibly affect the eastern seaboard. SECOND EMAIL CONTAINING CONTENTS OF INTERVIEW: Some more info related to the Deepwater Horizon disaster. (A good description of what happened from an interview) This well had been giving some problems all the way down and was a big discovery. Big pressure, 16ppg+ mud weight. They ran a long string of 7" production casing - not a liner, the confusion arising from the fact that all casing strings on a floating rig are run on drill pipe and hung off on the wellhead on the sea floor, like a "liner". They cemented this casing with lightweight cement containing nitrogen because they were having lost circulation in between the well kicking all the way down. The calculations and the execution of this kind of a cement job are complex, in order that you neither let the well flow from too little hydrostatic pressure nor break it down and lose the fluid and cement from too much hydrostatic. But you gotta believe BP had 8 or 10 of their best double and triple checking everything. On the outside of the top joint of casing is a seal assembly - "packoff" - that sets inside the subsea wellhead and seals. This was set and tested to 10,000 psi, OK. Remember they are doing all this from the surface 5,000 feet away. The technology is fascinating, like going to the moon or fishing out the Russian sub, or killing all the fires in Kuwait in 14 months instead of 5 years. We never have had an accident like this before so hubris, the folie d'grandeur, sort of takes over. BP were the leaders in all this stretching the envelope all over the world in deep water. This was the end of the well until testing was to begin at a later time, so a temporary "bridge plug" was run in on drill pipe to set somewhere near the top of the well below 5,000 ft. This is the second barrier, you always have to have 2, and the casing was the first one. It is not know if this was actually set or not. At the same time they took the 16+ ppg mud out of the riser and replaced it with sea water so that they could pull the riser, lay it down, and move off. When they did this, they of course took away all the hydrostatic on the well. But this was OK, normal, since the well was plugged both on the inside with the casing and on the outside with the tested packoff. But something turned loose all of a sudden, and the conventional wisdom would be the packoff on the outside of the casing. Gas and oil rushed up the riser; there was little wind, and a gas cloud got all over the rig. When the main inductions of the engines got a whiff, they ran away and exploded. Blew them right off the rig. This set everything on fire. A similar explosion in the mud pit / mud pump room blew the mud pumps overboard. Another in the mud sack storage room, sited most unfortunately right next to the living quarters, took out all the interior walls where everyone was hanging out having - I am not making this up - a party to celebrate 7 years of accident free work on this rig. 7 BP bigwigs were there visiting from town. In this sense they were lucky that the only ones lost were the 9 rig crew on the rig floor and 2 mud engineers down on the pits. The furniture and walls trapped some and broke some bones but they all managed to get in the lifeboats with assistance from the others. The safety shut ins on the BOP were tripped but it is not clear why they did not work. This system has 4 way redundancy; 2 separate hydraulic systems and 2 separate electric systems should be able to operate any of the functions on the stack. They are tested every 14 days, all of them. (there is also a stab on the stack so that an ROV can plug in and operate it, but now it is too late because things are damaged). The well is flowing through the BOP (Blow Out Preventer) stack, probably around the outside of the 7" casing. As reported elsewhere, none of the "rams", those being the valves that are suppose to close around the drill pipe and / or shear it right in two and seal on the open hole, are sealing. Up the riser and out some holes in it where it is kinked. A little is coming out of the drill pipe too which is sticking out of the top of the riser and laid out on the ocean floor. The volumes as reported by the media are not correct but who knows exactly how much is coming? 2 relief wells will be drilled but it will take at least 60 days to kill it that way. There is a "deep sea intervention vessel" on the way, I don't know if that means a submarine or not, one would think this is too deep for subs, and it will have special cutting tools to try to cut off the very bottom of the riser on top of the BOP. The area is remarkably free from debris. The rig "Enterprise" is standing by with another BOP stack and a special connector to set down on top of the original one and then close. You saw this sort of thing in Red Adair movies and in Kuwait, a new stack dangling from a crane is just dropped down on the well after all the junk is removed. But that is not 5,000 ft underwater. One unknown is if they get a new stack on it and close it, will the bitch broach around the outside of all the casing?? In order for a disaster of this magnitude to happen, more than one thing has to go wrong, or fail. First, a shitty cement job. The wellhead packoff / seal assembly, while designed to hold the pressure, is just a backup. And finally, the ability to close the well in with the BOP somehow went away. A bad deal for the industry, for sure. Forget about California and Florida. Normal operations in the Gulf will be overregulated like the N. Sea. And so on.
Question from one "expert" to another: I have not heard of a cut-off valve being 200’ below the floor of the ocean but yes there are Blow Out Preventers (BOP’s) installed at the sea floor. These BOP’s are stacked one on top of another. Each time a casing pipe is run in the well another BOP is added. The BOP consists of two systems: Pipe Rams and Blind Rams. The pipe rams are in 2 pieces with and when they are closed, they encompass the pipe keeping any fluid from escaping from the annulus. The blind rams are the last resort. They will actually shear anything in the hole and close the well off. The closing unit is mounted on the rig with numerous remotes scattered all over the platform. The closing unit uses Nitrogen to power the cylinders at the BOP. My guess is that the closing unit called an accumulator was damaged by the explosion or fire and the rams were never closed. Once the rig sunk, I have heard, all the iron wrapped itself around the well bore and BOP/Sub Sea Head in such a way the robots could not get to the BOP to activate them manually. This has been a travesty for the off shore drilling program’s safety and environmental record, previously impeccable. To shut down any future drilling would be grossly inappropriate in trying to make us independent of the middle east. Had this happened in shallower waters, it would have been resolved before the press ever got a hold of it. In 5000’ of water the challenges are greatly magnified. The attachment was written by a guy I worked with in the Oilfields. I do not know if he was actually out there but he brings his opinion to bear as well. ATTACHMENT: You might know the answer to this question. I thought it was a requirement that all offshore oil wells (maybe gas wells too) had to have an automatic (?) cutoff valve installed near the sea's bottom to stop outflow in catastrophic situations. Maybe this is not a requirement since BP did not have a cutoff valve on its well that is leaking or pouring into the Gulf presently. The question: is it a requirement for oil and gas wells in the Gulf or Oceans to have cutoff valves? The reason I am asking this question is that there is an ongoing debate about oil wells off shore here in Florida. I have said I thought it was a good idea based on safety measures. If the safety measures (cutoff valves) are not required I would not be in favor of oil wells in the Gulf off Florida shores. I have looked on the internet some but have not come up with an answer. Maybe you know. The address I found about the leak in general is at this address: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/us/04spill.html?pagewanted=1 I found the article from the NY Times about this matter that discusses the lack of shutoff valves but in little detail. This article, in part, says the following: Another worker familiar with the rig told the lawyers that the company had chosen not to install a deep-water valve that would have been placed about 200 feet under the sea floor. Much like blowout preventers, devices that are meant to seal leaks, this valve could have served as a cutoff of last resort in explosions, the lawyers said. “The company took their chances in not having the valve so they could save money,” said Mike Papantonio, one of the lawyers representing the shrimpers and fishermen.
Thank you for pinging me to this : )
You are most welcome. I am going to have a phone conversation with my friend this afternoon and hope to have even more information.
Weird. The Rothschilds own a 37%, or thereabouts, stake in BP. When the Rothschilds speak Governments listen. This, I believe, ties back into the social control PsyOps being used to condition and manipulate our society. If you raise the danger threshold high enough, to where you have large numbers of people reacting to a survival emergency, they are able to throw off and set aside the conditioning. Thus the attempts to minimize the danger presented by this catastrophe.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Thanks much for the ping and the detail on the blow out, Phant2000. We get nothing but predictable popcorn from the MSM reports. Maybe we'll get confirmation on the Schlumberger alarm bell story one of these days. I noticed there were no representatives from that firm testifying during the recent hearings in Congress.
I see psyops everywhere.
I have asked for same. Hopefully, I will get sufficient information to explain how that played into the entire event.
OK - now I got it. Interesting data.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
that jumped out at me...
"Unease, anxiety, tension, stress, worry — all forms of fear — are caused by too much future, and not enough presence. Guilt, regret, resentment, grievances, sadness, bitterness, and all forms of nonforgiveness are caused by too much past, and not enough presence" - The Power of Now
Kin you source that??
I see psyops everywhere.
I have been told that it is travelling very deep. Hopefully, it will stay there. I am sure I will hear more from one of these guys (one is located in Florida). I will let you know when I do.
Please bear with me on a question from a lay standpoint. Could the well itself be "pinched off" so to say, by a tremendous explosion "sub-seabed"? What's in my mind is a small nuke of the size we had when I was in the Army Art'y. We had 175mm rounds with, as I recall, .01 megaton (10,000 tons) TNT equiv. I'm thinking a "well" or casing could be drilled into the rock maybe 500- 1000 ft. into the seabed, near (?) the ruined well. Detonated (a "tactical nuke like our rounds) I believe the rock would be shifted laterally and "pinch off" the well. Plese answer if this sounds ever near reasonable.
I have send your inquiry off to my friend. I seem to remember some conversation about using nuclear power in previous emails. Will let you know as soon as I have a response.
Thank you. We shoulde keep this thread open for a while.
They are in the process of drilling a well into the damaged one in order to kill it. To drill a well to do as you are suggesting would take an equivalent amount of time and would probably cause a worse problem with contamination than the oil. Let’s hope the efforts today will do the trick. They are going to pump heavy drilling fluids and cement into the well through the leaking BOP head.
Thanks, I'll be watching for news on it.
Kin you source that?? I've been looking but can't find a web reference. I picked that up off of an interview done by Jeff Rense on his radio program. I can find references that show NM Rothschild as an intermediary in the public offering of BP Stock but nothing on the net specifically showing their holdings in BP - which if memory serves is done through an intermediary company they own.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
www.aliciapatterson.org/A...rowe/Crowe02/Crowe02.html Thanks for the link - good background data. And of course the Bank of England is Rothschild Inc..
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
There's a thread going on Fiberty Post on this if you participate there. I know some won't.
I thought the Bank of England predated the Rothschilds by 60-70 years.
he who wants bread is the servant of the man that will feed him, if a man thus feeds a whole people, they are under his control.
Thanks, nd, but I gave up posting there several years ago. You tell the truth and you get attacked. You lie and they can't stop talking. I have lived long enough to appreciate and respect history as a source of important fact (and proof of human frailties). You post history on LP and the name calling starts. I don't like communicating with non-thinkers. In any event, anything I have posted here relating to the oil leak/explosion, you are welcome to post over there (under your own nick).
I'm ambivalent anymore on a lot of things, but I agree with you on the defeating nature of most blogging. Freerepublic was my first real disillusionment on the web, back in '98. Sometimes I just ignor jerks, other times I take them on. Too old to get too upset. Just figure they've got to get through life. :-)
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#2. To: Eric Stratton, All (#1)
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#3. To: randge (#2)
#4. To: randge (#0)
The stinkin' police state attitude we currently suffer under is being imposed by fedcops not only on behalf of the state, but now at the behest of foreign corporations.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#5. To: Eric Stratton (#3)
I still don't fuckin' understand why they don't try to burn as much as possible off. What, they're afraid of an ocean fire or some shit!
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
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#7. To: randge (#0)
#8. To: wudidiz (#5)
#9. To: randge (#0)
#10. To: randge (#0)
#11. To: ndcorup (#10)
#12. To: randge (#11)
#13. To: ndcorup and All (#12)
#14. To: Phant2000 (#13)
So all you inquisitive people ... just send me your questions in a PM and I will get the answers from my friend.
#15. To: Cynicom (#14)
#16. To: randge (#6)
#17. To: Phant2000 (#16)
#18. To: Phant2000 (#13)
He said there are leaks all over the ocean and can be seen with the proper equipment. He also said that the actual damage suffered will be less than what the environmentalists want us to believe.
#19. To: randge, wudidiz, F.A.Hayek Fan, ndcorup, RickyJ, All (#16)
I have sent a more definitive query about the "sheen" of oil and any hazards to a burn. I will post the answers when I have them.
#20. To: randge, wudidiz, F.A. Hayek Fan, ndcorup, RickyJ (#17)
As promised, more information ...
#21. To: Phant2000 (#20)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#22. To: wudidiz (#21)
Thank you for pinging me to this : )
#23. To: wudidiz, randge (#4)
The stinkin' police state attitude we currently suffer under is being imposed by fedcops not only on behalf of the state, but now at the behest of foreign corporations.
#24. To: Phant2000 (#19)
In order for a disaster of this magnitude to happen, more than one thing has to go wrong, or fail. First, a shitty cement job. The wellhead packoff / seal assembly, while designed to hold the pressure, is just a backup. And finally, the ability to close the well in with the BOP somehow went away.
#25. To: randge (#24)
Maybe we'll get confirmation on the Schlumberger alarm bell story ...
#26. To: Phant2000 (#20)
#27. To: Phant2000 (#22)
I understand the oil has already entered into the current and is travelling towards the Keys and Cuba. It is then to turn north and possibly affect the eastern seaboard.
#28. To: Original_Intent (#23)
The Rothschilds own a 37%, or thereabouts, stake in BP.
#29. To: christine (#27)
I understand the oil has already entered into the current and is travelling towards the Keys and Cuba. It is then to turn north and possibly affect the eastern seaboard.
#30. To: randge, 4 (#28)
BP ownership -
#31. To: Phant2000 (#29)
#32. To: ndcorup (#31)
Plese answer if this sounds ever near reasonable.
#33. To: Phant2000 (#32)
#34. To: ndcorup (#33)
Here is your answer (already)!!!
#35. To: Phant2000 (#34)
#36. To: randge (#28)
The Rothschilds own a 37%, or thereabouts, stake in BP.
#37. To: Lod, randge (#30)
BP ownership -
#38. To: Phant2000 (#34)
#39. To: Original_Intent (#37)
And of course the Bank of England is Rothschild Inc..
#40. To: ndcorup (#38)
There's a thread going on Fiberty Post ...
#41. To: Phant2000 (#40)
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