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Title: BP Oil Spill Worst, Workers Getting Sick, Minerals Mgmt Fired - May 27, 2010
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Published: May 27, 2010
Author: MSNBC
Post Date: 2010-05-27 12:48:11 by christine
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#1. To: christine (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-27   13:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

I was offline for most of last week, and don't know what, if anything was said about MMS. I spent a few hours searching past posts, and didn't find anything yet, so just in case, since this video says MMS is an obscure organization, for the record, excerpts of some things I ran across :

BREAKING NEWS: U.S. Minerals Management Service chief Elizabeth Birnbaum fired, sources tell AP

"...The AC from NZ
User ID: 951237
New Zealand
5/27/2010 10:53 AM

Again, it's all because of her letter that she wrote to BP regarding the Atlantis platform which I tried to alert everybody about in this thread here [link to http://www.godlikeproductions.com] - which is an ORIGINAL document from way back in February that proves that BP knowlingly ignored pleas and warnings from Ms. Birnbaum that the oil platform is headed for CATASTROPHE...

..and lo and behold what happened? That's right.. sure enough, it blew up...

...and now Ms. Birnbaum is fired from her job. Put the pieces together people. Look at my thread and READ the PDF file - it's a signed original document - you won't get any more closer to the truth than that. Serious shit is going down, folks......"

comment at 11:32: "So maybe we have a reason for her hasty departure,

Birnbaum was scheduled to testify before the House Appropriations Committee Thursday morning about the oil spill but she will not appear, Fox News has confirmed. Her deputy, Secretary David Hayes will testify in her place alongside Interior Secretary Ken Salazar."

comment at 12:30 PM

The first paragraph of the letter confirms it for me:

" . . . This platform, the largest oil and natural gas platform in the world, may be operating without crucial engineering documents, which, if absent, would increase the risk of a catastrophic accident that would threaten not only the workers on the platform, but also the Gulf of Mexico and the communities who depend on the resources it provides."

Congressmen are not prophetic they are for profit . . . "

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1078562/pg1

===============

ATKHWDI Note: The Letter was not FROM Birnbaum, it was addressed TO her, from a handful of Congressmen. It was sent February 24, 2010, and made reference to a whistleblower ["he"] warning BP in March, 2009 that 90% of the required permits may have been lacking:

SMOKING GUN PROOF BP KNOWINGLY DODGED COMPLIANCE REGULATIONS ON ATLANTIS PLATFORM BACK IN FEB!

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 951237
New Zealand
5/26/2010 5:31 AM

".....Everyone needs to read this. Aaron McCollum has sourced document proof from back in February (from the Minerals Management Service, signed by various members of Congress) warning BP of a catastrophic accident if they continue to dodge compliance regulations. Pass this around, email it to media outlets.. this is the smoking gun of culpability right here!

And to be clear, this is SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING to the Atlantis platform in the Gulf of Mexico - that's right - the one that blew up! Here we have it, folks. BP have blood on their hands - and they were warned about it. Here's the PDF file:

[link to http://www.npr.org]

Please spread this far and wide.. to your Facebook friends, email to your colleagues and family.. we all deserve to know the truth. Aaron says he has many other documents he can bring out in the open. Let's bust this thing wide open!....."

"....Anonymous Coward
User ID: 983404
United States
5/27/2010 11:49 AM

Yet Congress and no other federal agency did anything. Wanna know why?

“If BP faces heavy federal scrutiny, it’s well-positioned to fight back: The London-based company has consistently spent top dollar to influence legislative and regulatory activity in Washington, D.C.,” the Center states.

[link to http://renovomedia.com]

Year: 1999
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $5,684,794
Chemical & Related Manufacturing $80,000

Year: 2000
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $4,150,000
Chemical & Related Manufacturing $60,000

Year: 2001
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $2,160,000
Chemical & Related Manufacturing $20,000

Year: 2002
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $3,032,000

Year:2003
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $2,574,000

Year: 2004
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $1,900,000

Year: 2005
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $2,920,000

Year: 2006
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $3,650,000

Year: 2007
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $4,640,000

Year:2008
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $10,450,000

Year: 2009
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $15,990,000

Year: So far in 2010
BP Lobbying by Industry Industry Total
Oil & Gas $3,530,000

[link to http://www.opensecrets.org]

Thats 45,659,000 spent lobbying Congress.

Think your federal legislators haven't been bought and sold?

[[link to godlikeproductions http://godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1078192/pg1 ]]......

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 983313
United States
5/27/2010 11:55 AM

So many obvious questions and violations:

-One year before disaster, BP paid an expert to review safety and then failed to respond to any recommendations
[link to http://www.truthout.org]

- Rig crew argued before the explosion
[link to http://online.wsj.com]

- BP failed to perform a CBL safety test before the fire.
[link to http://www.theoildrum.com]

-Safety contractor pulled employees from rig just hours before explosion
[link to http://www.nola.com]

Halliburton bought clean up company ten days before spill
[link to http://www.thestreet.com]

-One year before disaster, BP paid an expert to review safety and then failed to respond to any recommendations
[link to http://www.truthout.org]

Rig workers sequestered and forced to sign waiver
[link to http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com]

Transocean made 270 million from the insurance payoff after disaster
[link to http://www.godlikeproductions.com]

Transocean pays out a 1 billion dollar dividend to shareholders following rig disaster
[link to http://rawstory.com]

BP executives on board rig "celebrating safety record"
[link to http://rawstory.com]

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 982464....."

"Anonymous Coward
User ID: 962698
Australia
5/27/2010 12:27 PM

And to be clear, this is SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING to the Atlantis platform in the Gulf of Mexico - that's right - the one that blew up! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 951237

Atlantis is not the one that is leaking, but it is 12X larger and HALF A KILOMETRE deeper"

Atlantis:
600 million barrels
6,500 ft
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Macondo
50 million barrels
5,000 ft..."

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1077262/pg1

=================

**** LETTER FROM CONGRESSMEN TO BP ON FEBRUARY 24, 2010:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/Grijalva%20MMS%20ltr.pdf

FOIA request for their reply?

Several comments relating to the name ATLANTIS, I missed the first time around. I too found the name interesting, particularly if this is an Illuminati "event" [which I have NO problem believing]. This supposedly is NOT the one that is leaking, however, or is it? Note above that Atlantis is deeper and presumably further out from shore. I wonder if Atlantis has anything to do with this:

4um Matt Simmons: "There's Another leak, much bigger 5 to 6 miles away:

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=118558

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Then there's this:

Air Strike?

The following is the letter I (Lewis Mohr)sent to Transocean this morning conveying my concerns that their Rig was possibly attacked from the air. [See the first picture] I believe a clear message from the bankers in "The City" of London was sent to the people of The United States of America that energy independence will not be tolerated.....

http://www.freedomyell.com/political-editorial/18-air-strike

============

search "british petroleum rothschild"

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-05-29   14:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, christine, noone222, Jethro_Tull, James Deffenbach, wudidiz, farmfriend, CadetD, abraxas, Lod, Esso, HOUNDDAWG, SonOfLiberty, Eric Stratton, Phant2000, Cynicom, X-15, Itistoolate, Tom007, Artisan, Scrapper2, ratcat, all (#2)

More and More this "leak" looks like an intentional and planned event. The evidence both direct, thanks to your addition, and circumstantial all points in that direction.

Thus the news blackout in the American Media makes sense as they continue to try to keep the general public from becoming aware just how devastating this event is.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-29   14:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)

The mysterious leak 3,000' away has been swept under the oil slick. It's time to depth charge this sucker.

OBAMA'S KATRINA

SPEW, BABY, SPEW

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-05-29   14:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull, pinguinite (#4)

It's time to depth charge this sucker.

How shall that activity repair the issue(s) ... are you using common American logic that random acts of destruction fix things such as in a war? What makes you think that such an act won't exacerbate the problems?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-29   14:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)

Several comments relating to the name ATLANTIS, I missed the first time around. I too found the name interesting, particularly if this is an Illuminati "event"

DEATH OF THE PHOENIX

FINAL ACT FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

watch.pair.com/death-phoenix.html

Death of the Phoenix - Final Act for the United States - Atlantis Rising

watch.pair.com/atlantis-rising.html

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-05-29   17:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#0)

Obama's going to cancel leases and stop further drilling?

Such manly and decisive crisis leadership!

That's like forbidding someone from boarding more horses in a barn that has burned to the ground.

And, for Obama to criticize "the cozy relationship between MMS and the industries they're supposed to regulate", well, where has he been for the past umpteen years, as both parties lined their pockets with lobbyists' bux guaranteeing bipartisan support for the corporate plunder of America?

Obama is a product of the most corrupt machine in the US (Cook County, IL) and his own mother wouldn't buy that deux deux he's mouthing these days.

Are we supposed to take such rank political posturing seriously?

Suuuure, Barack, blame the low level bureaucrats and regulators even though every time they posed obstacles to corporate profit schemes they were removed/bypassed by congress, cabinet officers or the president himself.

"You wanna buy the Grand Canyon and stockpile nuclear and industrial waste/heavy water down there? Sure, we can make a deal!

Entrepreneurs And Government Working Hand In Hand For A Better America!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-05-29   17:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Original_Intent, all (#2)

So many obvious questions and violations:

-One year before disaster, BP paid an expert to review safety and then failed to respond to any recommendations [link to http://www.truthout.org]

- Rig crew argued before the explosion [link to http://online.wsj.com]

- BP failed to perform a CBL safety test before the fire. [link to http://www.theoildrum.com]

-Safety contractor pulled employees from rig just hours before explosion [link to http://www.nola.com]

Halliburton bought clean up company ten days before spill [link to http://www.thestreet.com]

-One year before disaster, BP paid an expert to review safety and then failed to respond to any recommendations [link to http://www.truthout.org]

Rig workers sequestered and forced to sign waiver [link to http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com]

Transocean made 270 million from the insurance payoff after disaster [link to http://www.godlikeproductions.com]

Transocean pays out a 1 billion dollar dividend to shareholders following rig disaster [link to http://rawstory.com]

BP executives on board rig "celebrating safety record" [link to http://rawstory.com]

Links not working?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-29   17:54:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)

i'm speechless. thanks for the research and post. it's very much appreciated.

christine  posted on  2010-05-29   18:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: HOUNDDAWG (#7)

Obama is a product of the most corrupt machine in the US (Cook County, IL) and his own mother wouldn't buy that deux deux he's mouthing these days.

some hope and change, ObamaFOOLS.

christine  posted on  2010-05-29   18:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine (#9) (Edited)

And to be clear, this is SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING to the Atlantis platform in the Gulf of Mexico - that's right - the one that blew up!

is he trying to say the atlantis platform blew up?

...because it didnt.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   18:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#9)

but i guess we shouldnt let anything stand in the way of a good doomer porn story, should we?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   18:25:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: groundresonance (#12)

uh no. i want the facts. if what's posted gets discredited, that's good.

christine  posted on  2010-05-29   18:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine (#13)

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   18:33:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine, groundresonance (#14)

WHAM!!

Big graphic in your face.

Figure that out.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

How d'ya like them apples?.....


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-29   18:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine (#13)

i want the facts.

i gotta tell you... trying to keep the crazies on an even keel is driving me to drink.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   18:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: groundresonance (#16)

driving me to drink

When you can't type properly anymore, pass out, eh?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-29   18:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: wudidiz (#17) (Edited)

then there's molecular miscegenation... or whatever it's called.

pretty soon i'll be blind even when i'm sober, then you'll be left to your own devices.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   18:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: groundresonance, all (#18)

What'll we do without you?

Gotta run.

If you get hungry eat something....


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-29   18:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: All (#19)

I'm gonna make the hockey player and get the puck outta here...


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-29   18:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: wudidiz (#8)

Links not working?

the full url's are at the link [sorry, my computer is really dragging and i can't grab them for you]

www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1077262/pg1

scroll down about half way to:

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 983313
5/27/2010 11:55 AM

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-05-29   18:55:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine (#13) (Edited)

he sits in his shack drinkin' oly all day
gazin' out the window at the neighbors
he's a little too crazy for the kids to play with
and a little too lazy to labor
and the days drag on and the years fly by
oh they sure didnt do him any favors
uh huh oh yeah
everyone agrees
he needs something to do

and it's oly all day

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   19:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo, Cynicom, all (#5)

www.sott.net/articles/sho...ets-did-something-similar

Your golf balls and tea bags didn't work. Maybe we can send down your wallet, buckeroo? That should be big enough.

OBAMA'S KATRINA

SPEW, BABY, SPEW

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-05-29   19:09:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: groundresonance, christine, all (#16)

i want the facts.

i gotta tell you... trying to keep the crazies on an even keel is driving me to drink.

Judging from your comments I think you need to back away from bottle - slowwwwly. We wouldn't want you to fall.

Ain't it just soooooo frustrating that people here just refuse to accept the official line lyin' without examining those pesky facts?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-29   19:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent (#24) (Edited)

pesky facts

the most pesky fact seems to be that the US hardly even noticed when a comparable spill occurred in the gulf of mexico in 1980.

but according to you, now we're faced with a global extinction event.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   19:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Original_Intent (#24)

we have to assume you're an idiot.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   19:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine (#13)

here's another one, christine....don't know if it was posted:

***Parish Officials Who Commandeered BP Oil Boats Threatened With Military Arrest (VID)*** www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1079039/pg1

money for "israel"; money for war; no money for america. the emperor wears no clothes.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-05-29   19:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Original_Intent (#24) (Edited)

there's a certain train of logic at work here... pretty flimsy, but given the poisonous shit you people have swallowed from alex jones and the rest of the crazies, maybe your brains have been damaged...

the logic runs like this: if we can convince enough people that this is the end of the world, maybe we can recruit people into deathwish christian cults.

most deathwish christian cults believe that support of israel is a big part of the deathwish christian end times (nevermind that jews will be exterminated in the deathwish christian end times, and deathwish christians may have to give god a little help in exterminating jews)

the question always becomes: will this oil spill contribute, by the flimsy logic of deathwish christians, to the extermination of jews?

the next question is: is it a good thing if you get snatched up to heaven and thereby escape suffering the consequences of destroying of the planet?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   19:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27) (Edited)

there's not a reason in hell a deathwish christian would refrain from destroying the planet...

...in view of the fact that he's gonna go to heaven and escape the consequences of a dying planet.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   19:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: groundresonance (#28) (Edited)

this world is not ending, as i posted a few days ago, but this "new" world order may be.

what i started to post a while ago, but my computer was so slow, and you were so rude, i didn't bother:

search "rothschild british petroleum"

Rothschild Scepter of Judah/British-Israel [ www.seekgod.ca/identity.htm ] site: http://scepterofjudah.com/

52 Themes Restoration of Davidic Zionism http://www.scepterofjudah.net/SJ...dicZionismin52Themes.html [Bible passages to go along with their Armageddon plot in the links on the left.] The Jews will be their own "messiah".

http://www.lordmayorsshow.org/visitors/history/gogmagog / Ezekiel 38-39; Rev. 20:7-9 [we're Israel and "the beloved city" (New Jerusalem)]. Sure hope God takes these crack-pots out soon. He just may let them have their way with us to bring more into the [new] covenant: Ezekiel 20:33-38. They may be the "rod in His hand" to do that. 2 Chronicles 7:14.

something tells me you won't have a clue about what it's about.

=======

"HEAVEN AND EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY" [...They did, by A.D. 70.]

"... And as we have seen earlier (in Psalm 104:5 and Ecclesiastes 1:4) this earth will stand forever. See also the following passages:

"And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established forever." (Psalm 78:69).

"Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens .. . "He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass" (Psalm 148:4,6).

"He hath also the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved" (Psalm 93:1).

“... the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved:...” (Psalm 96:10). ...."

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=118508

The meek shall inherit the earth, something they can't do if there is no earth to inherit.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth-This promise to the meek is but a repetition of Ps 37:11; ... bible.cc/matthew/5-5.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-05-29   19:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#30) (Edited)

"rothschild british petroleum"

i dont see anything peculiar at all with a change of command ceremony: european jews getting snookered out of their BP holdings by richard perle, bill kristol and wolfie.

how you gonna achieve "benevolent global hegemony", dependent on control of oil, when one of the biggest companies in the world is controlled by obsolete european jews?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   19:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: groundresonance (#31)

Sir Uncle Sam : Knight of the British Empire : John T. Whiteford ... Sir Uncle Sam : Knight of the British Empire (1940). Author: John T. Whiteford www.archive.org/details/S...mKnightOfTheBritishEmpire

The Pilgrim Society & English Speaking Union
Congressman Thorlkelson's speech was based on Sir Uncle Sam, Knight of the British Empire! by John J. Whiteford (1940). ... watch.pair.com/pilgrim.html

Psalm 2.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-05-29   20:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#32) (Edited)

sorry, but i dont think the jewish mommy's boys in america will accept anything but global domination.

that's how they've been brought up.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   20:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#32)

and, in the interest of honesty, you should admit, here and now, that you were wrong about that atlantis bullshit.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   20:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: HOUNDDAWG (#7)

deleted

The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-29   21:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#13) (Edited)

i guess the problem is: why do you encourage crazies?

are you that crazy yourself?

has your mind been crippled?

is this what you want?

are you getting what you want?

and, if this is what you want, why do you want it, and then say "i want the facts" when so many of your contributors are outright idiots who have contempt for facts?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   21:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: christine (#13) (Edited)

then we have to figure out... how many of your regular posters are useful idiots... witting useful idiots vs unwitting useful idiots, both of which (witting and unwitting) post straw men to be knocked to by other useful idiots...

what it boils down to is... it's hard for me to believe you're this stupid.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   21:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#21)

Okay, got it. Thank you : )


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-29   22:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: groundresonance (#37)

what it boils down to is... it's hard for me to believe you're this stupid.

Christine's not stupid, she's smart. You're stupid. And a bit of a wackjob too. Shut up.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-29   22:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: christine (#13)

#37. To: christine (#13) (Edited)

then we have to figure out... how many of your regular posters are useful idiots... witting useful idiots vs unwitting useful idiots, both of which (witting and unwitting) post straw men to be knocked to by other useful idiots...

what it boils down to is... it's hard for me to believe you're this stupid.

groundresonance posted on 2010-05-29 21:46:44 ET

christine:

I am impressed by your ability to keep quiet while an obviously impaired poster attacks you and everyone other than him with insults and name calling.

He also presumes he has the intelligence to judge others as idiots and stupid, all the while proving to those of us unimpaired posters that he couldn't judge a toilet seat. Need I say more?

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-29   22:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: wudidiz (#39) (Edited)

you're pretty sure christine exists outside of images of a contract model, huh? ...i mean, the phony stupidity is putting me off.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   22:44:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Phant2000 (#40)

ground resonance= FLUSH

After a good constitutional we all feel better. hehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-29   22:45:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Cynicom (#42) (Edited)

cynicom, the elder statesman, agrees with everything.

this oil spill is gonna kill the world, and cynicom is thankful he's almost dead, anyhow.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   22:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: groundresonance (#43)

If you can read this you're stupid.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-29   22:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Cynicom (#43)

cynicom, the elder stateman, agrees with everything.

this oil spill is gonna kill the world, and cynicom is thankful he's almost dead, anyhow.

Cyni: You see HOW impaired he is? He can't even interpret from screen to his brain what one posts. In most cases, others would have sympathy, but in this case we all recognize his handicap.

Perfect sign of respect for someone of this ilk is a FLUSH, as you previously stated.

Flush be done!!!!

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-29   22:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Phant2000 (#45) (Edited)

poor babies have been sucked in, seduced and abandoned.

there's no way in hell such a veteran moderator could be as stupid as christine seems to be.

there's something other than stupidity at work, here.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   22:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Phant2000 (#45)

I dont read "ground residue", as it is a one note MOUTH ORGAN, that to my recall never added anything, so ignore button is in operation.

Mouth organs are to be avoided at all times.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-29   22:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#47) (Edited)

the last illusion of an illusionless man: cynicom believes in christine.

touching

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   22:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Cynicom (#47) (Edited)

Good response. I have given the mental midget too much time already, so gonna move to a thread where there is interesting discussion, not drunken reactions.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-29   22:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Cynicom, Phant2000, christine, all (#47)

I took gr of bozo only to rediscover why I had him on bozo in the first place....


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-29   23:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: groundresonance (#48)


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-29   23:00:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Phant2000 (#49)

gonna move to a thread where there is interesting discussion

good luck.

there's a fairly recent thread in which the world will be coming to an end because of the oil spill... that might be interesting for you.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   23:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Phant2000 (#49)

I am listening to north Atlantic east bound traffic, female ground ATC and female pilot, quite a few these days.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-29   23:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: wudidiz (#50)

You are a good man Mr. Wud.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-29   23:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom (#53) (Edited)

female pilot

mommy's in the driver's seat, thanks to the ultimate mommy's boys.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   23:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Cynicom (#53)

... female ground ATC and female pilot, quite a few these days.

Private pilot we had for business purposes was a female and VERY good pilot, I might add. In her spare time she gave flying lessons and my son finally learned to fly.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-29   23:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Cynicom, all (#54)

Thank you, Cyni. Going out now, later. : )


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-29   23:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Phant2000 (#56) (Edited)

VERY good pilot

if christine routinely swallows horseshit from original intent and that god guy, what kind of judgment do you think she has?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-29   23:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Phant2000 (#56)

There is a female that works Singapore that I would like to meet if I were 50 years younger.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-29   23:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Cynicom, Phant2000, christine, Original_Intent, all (#59)


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-30   1:27:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: christine, groundresonance (#36)

christine, i'm so sorry you had to take this abuse on my account. i wonder what has got his pants in such a wad? didn't i read somewhere more than once that the adl or the pentagon or al-cia-duh or someone was sending in their clowns to websites seeking the truth to discredit anything that might be harmful to the PTB? seems to be what's going on here.

groundresonance, show me where i was wrong please, and i think you owe christine an apology, if you're still here....she would be justified in banning you. how dare you talk to her like that?

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-05-30   8:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: groundresonance (#33) (Edited)

are you a speed reader? or did you not read it?

or do you not get it?

the u.s. and britain are in cahoots. [ http://www.sweetliberty.org/pers...e/jewishpersecution18.htm ]. that's why rothschild's eagle and the star of david [aka the seal of solomon] are on the great seal [ http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...m/satan_on_our_dollar.htm Ezekiel 17:7-10/ John 15:1-2; Ezekiel 17:1-6 /Matthew 15:13/coming soon Isaiah 18:5 ]. that's why 911, dreamed up in london in the 1930's [ http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/art...rael/british-israel-2.htm / http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/art...british-israel/index.html ] will not be properly investigated.

as cornwallis told george washington, "a holy war will now begin against america [psalm 2]...her churches will be used to teach the jews' religion [Matthew 13:33/Luke 13:21/ bible.cc/matthew/16-6.htm ]....she will think she is free...but she will be working for divine government [NOT!! www.seekgod.ca/identity.htm / www.seekgod.ca/britisrael.htm / Romans 9:6-9/Galatians 3:16...29/Isaiah 49:6 ], which is the BRITISH EMPIRE overseen by the grand architect of freemasonry [satan]"

Psalm 2:6...."This land now belongs to Christ and His people"...The enduring legacy of the First Landing. Apr 27, 2007 ... The event was the first landing of the Jamestown settlers. One hundred and four of them arrived at Cape Henry on April 26, 1607. ... http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55421 [where a cross was planted and this nation dedicated to Christ and the spreading of the gospel...Isaiah 49:22/Micah 4:1-2.]

that's it in a nutshell....thanks for giving me a chance to expose it again.

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edit again:

"....The wooden cross of Cape Henry is now gone forever – yet another artifact lost to the ravages of time. But the covenant [ bible.cc/ezekiel/20-37.htm / bible.cc/john/10-7.htm / bible.cc/john/10-7.htm / bible.cc/john/14-6.htm / bible.cc/matthew/26-28.htm ; fulfills bible.cc/hebrews/8-13.htm etc. and bible.cc/daniel/9-27.htm ] established on that day remains binding. As we remember the 400th anniversary of the First Landing, our people would be well served to acknowledge that once upon a time Americans thought of themselves as a nation committed to the Savior of Rev. Hunt and all of the true believers gathered on that windy beach centuries ago. And as we consider our providential heritage, we would be wise to recall that there is yet hope for our nation if we embrace the principle found in the following Scripture:

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (II Chronicles 7:14)"

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Isahiah 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. bible.cc/isaiah/62-4.htm

Isaiah 62:5For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

Revelation 21: 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven [figure of speech!! "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation"], prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away [figure of speech!! http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=118508 ]; and there was no more sea. [figure of speech again!! no more separation of God from His people! we will even see His face! Revelation 22:4]

[Revelation 20:10-15]

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

9And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain [figure of speech! Micah 4/Psalm 2:6], and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God [figure of speech!! "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation"], [more symbolism:] 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. [about 1,300 -1,500 miles; the Old Jerusalem would be buried!] The length and the breadth and the height of it [think of Jacob watching the angels go up and down the ladder to heaven] are equal. 17And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. 18And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. 19And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. [symbolic of the faithful of the twelve tribes, and stones on the priest's breastplate 21And the twelve gates were twelve pearls [signifiying the apostles]; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold [refined in the fire of affliction Revelation 3:18], as it were transparent glass.

22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. http://kingjbible.com/revelation/21.htm

John 10 I AM THE DOOR..... [figure of speech] to the sheepfold [Micah 2:12-13/Ezekiel 34]

Isaiah 62:1 For Zion's [Christian America's] sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's [Christian America's] sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof ["their righteousness is of me": FAITH in Christ; Galatians 3:21-22] go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.

2And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

3Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.

[ "And who shall wear The starry crown?" http://endtimepilgrim.org/starrycrown.htm . It won't be the Pilgrims (wolves in sheep's clothing) Society, unless they come into the bond of the New Covenant. Christian America will wear it. The Woman of Revelation 12:1 appeared fallen for a couple of hours (over the Old Jerusalem on September 11, 3 BC, September 21 Julian Calendar), the night Christ was born; Revelation 18:2. A few hours later, she reappeared over America, upright, and she stayed in the sky all day (Isaiah 66:7)]

7And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem [Christian America] a praise in the earth.

8The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn to be meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured: [ http://greatreddragon.com/toc.htm ]

9But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.

10Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.

[WAKE UP, WAKE UP. Isaiah 52]

11Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

12And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken. http://kingjbible.com/isaiah/62.htm

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okay, now it's a bigger nutshell of the hidden [Psalm 83:3] history of America, GOD's land, the "city" of the Great King.

wake up people. the Bible is a great big puzzle, for those who have eyes and ears. connect the dots. Jesus did not say His kingdom was not of this "earth". He said "world", "kosmos", which can mean government, constitution, order of things. "...but NOW is my kingdom not of this world" [ bible.cc/john/18-36.htm ; old world order/government by the Pharisees and Caesar]. He said this before He was crucified and rose from the dead, whereupon He made all things new [new world order Isaiah 9:6-7]: new covenant, new government "love God with all your heart and soul, and your neighbor [all people] as yourself", new "holy" people [gathered from every nation, tribe, and tongue (Revelation 5:9-10)], new Holy City, America [no sense in pouring "new wine into an old wineskin"]. The kingdom started in the hearts of His followers [ bible.cc/daniel/2-44.htm / bible.cc/luke/17-21.htm ], who looked for a "city [ bible.cc/zechariah/2-4.htm ] whose builder and maker" ['Enduring legacy of the First Landing'] "is God" [ bible.cc/hebrews/11-10.htm / bible.cc/exodus/19-4.htm / bible.cc/john/14-3.htm / Ezekiel 17:1-6/John 15:1-2/Matthew 15:13/2 Samuel 7:10/Galatians 3:29]. They will be resurrected in their new, immortal bodies. Rev. 20:11-15.

Matthew 8:11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the Kingdom of Heaven 12 But the sons of the Kingdom will be cast out [Galatians 4:20-30/Matthew 22:1-14/repent!John 10] into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Psalm 2:12 [final warning].

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The epic battle that began in Genesis 3:15 will end here in America.

to repeat:

"our people would be well served to acknowledge that once upon a time Americans thought of themselves as a nation committed to the Savior of Rev. Hunt and all of the true believers gathered on that windy beach centuries ago. And as we consider our providential heritage, we would be wise to recall that there is yet hope for our nation if we embrace the principle found in the following Scripture:

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (II Chronicles 7:14)"

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-05-30   9:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: groundresonance (#36)

i guess the problem is: why do you encourage crazies?

are you that crazy yourself?

has your mind been crippled?

is this what you want?

are you getting what you want?

and, if this is what you want, why do you want it, and then say "i want the facts" when so many of your contributors are outright idiots who have contempt for facts?

lol........you're killin' me with the irony!! Most posters think that YOU are the crazy, groundresonance.

Perhaps you are crazy as you seem to find this fault in so many others and, generally, people bitch about others what they need to fix within themselves.

Many posters also believe that your mind has been crippled.....just stating the obvious here.

And, frankly, it IS a bit crazy to hang around and bitch about others as you do here at 4um. Why put yourself through this.......unless, of course, YOU are getting what you want. And IF this is what you want......why do YOU want it?

Many other sites would be more condusive to your line of thinking and you wouldn't need to berate or belittle the site owner who is considerate enough to put up with your bovine excrement day in and day out.

Just sayin....... : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   12:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#62)

Isaiah 55:10,11


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-30   20:09:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: abraxas (#63)

people bitch about others what they need to fix within themselves.

Isn't that the truth? I tell people if you keep having the same problem with a bunch of different people, odds are you are the problem.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-30   20:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: groundresonance (#48)

FLUSH

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   20:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: abraxas (#63)

Perhaps you are crazy as you seem to find this fault in so many others and, generally, people bitch about others what they need to fix within themselves.

I've met a number of such folk in my life, and they always see the mote in the eyes of others and do not see the "beam" in theirs.

Of all the idiots I've talked with on the internet, the first one I've ever had to bozo.

Expropriate British Petroleum.

randge  posted on  2010-05-30   20:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: randge (#67)

Of all the idiots I've talked with on the internet, the first one I've ever had to bozo.

Me too!

Then I bozoed a couple of his pals just for the heck of it. : )


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-30   20:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: christine (#66)

Didju flush somethin', christine??

Expropriate British Petroleum.

randge  posted on  2010-05-30   20:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: wudidiz (#68)

Hoo wuz dat, wudidiz?

Expropriate British Petroleum.

randge  posted on  2010-05-30   20:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: randge (#67)

Of all the idiots I've talked with on the internet, the first one I've ever had to bozo.

I've heard many others make the same statement.......yet, it is the lot of us who are crazy and not this arrogant poster spewing tacky insults at Chistine for no good reason other than self amusement.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   20:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: randge (#69)

yep. i was out all afternoon and just saw its posts.

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   20:52:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: christine (#72)

Lucky flush........I was about to pull out a big ol' can of whoop ass. Then, remind him of what the back of my hand tastes like. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   20:57:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: christine (#72)

yep. i was out all afternoon and just saw its posts.

Ground residue reminded me of a kid that no one paid any attention to, so they throw a tantrum.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-30   20:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: abraxas (#73)

Then, remind him of what the back of my hand tastes like. : )

He be toothless???

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-30   20:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: abraxas (#73)

well, darn, those are my favorite posts of yours! ;)

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   20:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: randge (#70)

Buck and PuhSUSA.

Maybe I'll take them off after my mind has some more time to heal.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-30   21:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Cynicom (#75)

He be toothless???

On his way, but he got flushed with his grill in tact. Derb nub it!! lol

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   21:16:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: christine (#72)

Yer the soul of patience, but I wouldn't want to be in your way when you've reached your limit!

Expropriate British Petroleum.

randge  posted on  2010-05-30   21:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: wudidiz, randge (#68)

He's been on mine for god knows how long. It was nothing personal, he was simply a 'hole.

OBAMA'S KATRINA

SPEW, BABY, SPEW

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-05-30   21:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: abraxas, All (#63)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-30   21:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Eric Stratton (#81)

Ahhh, another "fun with groundedreason" thread, eh.

lol......the last one. Christine flushed him.

Don't lament the loss too long now Eric. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   22:09:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Cynicom, christine, wudidiz (#74)

It struck me late in the game but I am wondering if Gruntresonance was the ever charming "Ninpo"?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-31   0:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Original_Intent (#83)

groundresonance=wadosy

christine  posted on  2010-05-31   0:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: christine (#66)

FLUSH

Says a lot about a person if you have kicked them out.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-31   0:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#84)

Got it. Thanks.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-31   1:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Original_Intent (#83)

It struck me late in the game but I am wondering if Gruntresonance was the ever charming "Ninpo"?

I could not put a name on it but knew from its mental state it was someone we had seen before.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-31   7:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Cynicom (#47)

Mouth organs are to be avoided at all times.

Didn't they use to call them things a "jew's harp"?

I guess that's redundant, all jews do is harp.

And whine.

Endlessly.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-05-31   8:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: abraxas (#82)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-31   8:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Esso (#88)

Endlessly.

Eternal victims.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-31   8:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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