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Title: War Funding Bill Passes Senate
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... /27/war-funding-passes-senate/
Published: May 27, 2010
Author: AP
Post Date: 2010-05-27 22:03:10 by christine
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The Senate has passed a bill to fund President Barack Obama's troop surge in Afghanistan.
The almost $60 billion measure passed by a bipartisan 67-28 tally.
More than half of the funding would go to the Pentagon, mostly to support Obama's influx of 30,000 troops to Afghanistan.
There's also $5 billion to replenish disaster aid accounts, as well as funding for Haitian earthquake relief and aid to U.S. allies in the war on terror.
The bill includes legislation to allow the Coast Guard to receive advances of up to $100 million from the oil spill liability trust fund to pay for the federal response to spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
The House has yet to approve the war funding measure, which faces opposition from many anti-war lawmakers. Subscribe to *You Gotta Be Shitting Me*
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#1. To: christine (#0)
The almost $60 billion measure passed by a bipartisan 67-28 tally.

Those people love war.
Truman started wars without Congress approval 60 years ago next month.
Since then congress has not had the courage to say no and keep evading their responsibility.

Cynicom posted on 2010-05-27 22:08:08 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Cynicom (#1)
Truman started wars without Congress approval 60 years ago next month.

Only after Congress passed a law giving the authority to declare war to the UN Security Council.

DeaconBenjamin posted on 2010-05-27 23:08:57 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#20. To: DeaconBenjamin (#15)
Only after Congress passed a law giving the authority to declare war to the UN Security Council.

I do not recall any such law????

Cynicom posted on 2010-05-27 23:20:27 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Cynicom (#20)
United Nations Participation Act, December 20, 1945

SEC. 6. The President is authorized to negotiate a special agreement or agreements with the Security Council which shall be subject to the approval of the Congress by appropriate Act or joint resolution providing for the numbers and types of armed forces, their degree of readiness and general location, and the nature of facilities and assistance, including rights of passage, to be made available to the Security Council on its call for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security in accordance with article 43 of said Charter. The President shall not be deemed to require the authorization of the Congress to make available to the Security Council on its call in order to take action under article 42 of said Charter and pursuant to such special agreement or agreements the armed forces, facilities, or assistance provided for therein: Provided, That nothing herein contained shall be construed as an authorization to the President by the Congress to make available to the Security Council for such purpose armed forces, facilities, or assistance in addition to the forces, facilities, and assistance provided for in such special agreement or agreements.

DeaconBenjamin posted on 2010-05-27 23:37:14 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#29. To: DeaconBenjamin (#25)
While Senator Robert Taft supported the use of force in Korea, he saw "no legal authority for it." Senator Paul Douglas justified the president's action, emphasizing 1) the need to react swiftly to a "disaster that can occur while Congress is assembling and debating" and 2) the U.S.'s interest in preventing "communist aggression" (given the Soviet Union's almost certain sponsorship of North Korea's incursion). Such reasoning "would guide American military actions for most of the remainder of the twentieth century," according to Gerald Astor in Presidents at War.

Rather indicative if the Senators at the time saw NO LEGAL basis, for Truman, yet you state an act for participation in the UN.
At the time, war was never declared by Truman nor Congress and at any time Congress could have halted the military funding. Just as they could now.
Presently we are involved in an endless war because of a treaty with NATO, not the UN, anything to escape a declaration of war. NOTHING in the agreements with UN nor NATO prohibit Congress from doing their duty as prescribed by the constitution.
If one is looking for ways to circumvent war declaration, Presidents have done so a total of 187 times in the history of this country.

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