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Title: Oilpocalypse Now Take I
Source: Freedom4um
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Published: May 30, 2010
Author: Me
Post Date: 2010-05-30 15:46:52 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Phytoplankton, Oil, methane, ocean
Views: 21813
Comments: 119

This is really the bottom line. We have an event in the Gulf which has now stretched on for more than 5 weeks which is emptying toxins into the ocean and the atmosphere at a cataclysmic rate. In looking at the problem I am trying to anticipate its likely effects and consequences.

Looking at the Gulf Oil catastrophe how does that affect the planetary system? Our oceans have been called the cradle of life and much of life on earth remains dependent on those oceans. If you disrupt the ocean system you disrupt, indirectly, life everywhere. The gushers have not yet been stoppered and there is currently no realistic prospect that they will be anytime soon.

Obama is obviously bought and paid for and the Feral Government's incompetent and even obeisant response to BP's actions and inactions is clearly obvious to anyone who cares to look honestly.

The environmental damage is at this point hard to calculate. Most people seem to be thinking too small - just in terms of its affect on the Gulf. This is not going to be contained to the Gulf. Yes, the Gulf is going to become a massive "Dead Zone" but as the oil spreads out on the Gulf stream it is going to begin to have an impact on larger and larger areas.

As is frequently the case people are reluctant, and even blind, to looking at a very large problem on the correct scale. The volume of oil and gas coming out of those holes is beyond the normal scale of human catastrophes. If not contained relatively soon this is potentially an Extinction Level Event. The one unknown variable is the volume of oil in the pool that has been ruptured. Based on the evidence and speculations I have read it is most likely to be measured in the TRILLIONS of gallons.

The best expert estimates I have seen are that minimally we have 2.9 MILLION GALLONS of Oil escaping into the Gulf each day. The volume of methane is about treble that. BP, in an effort to camouflage its true scale is pumping hundreds of thousands of gallons of even more toxic oil dispersant into the volcano. To get an idea of the scale think of the largest stadium you know, fill it with oil every day, dump it on the surrounding landscape, and then refill it TWICE each day. Then you begin to get an approximation of the volume of oil escaping.

Most people are aware of the toxic nature of petroleum, but are not used to thinking in terms of gases. Methane, in the ocean, replaces oxygen and carbon dioxide in the water. Fish and Mammals require oxygen and the plant life requires carbon dioxide for normal metabolism. Remove that by replacing it with a toxic gas, and methane is a poison, and you have a result that is a toxic cloud unseen creeping through the Gulf killing both plant and animal life. And it is growing at a catastrophic rate each day.

Most people are aware of the Amazon Rain Forest and what that plant life means to the production of breathable Oxygen. However, most people are unaware that the oceans produce 50 to 70 percent of the available free oxygen. This is done by ocean plant life mostly in the form of what is known as Phytoplankton. Phytoplankton are small, often single cell, micro plants that form the base of the ocean food chain. Phytoplankton takes dissolved carbon dioxide and minerals from the sea water, and with the input of energy in the form of sunlight, through photosynthesis they create cellular matter which is then consumed by the next higher level of the food chain and on and on with the larger consuming the smaller until you reach the top of the food chain.

So, why the lecture on the ocean ecosystem? Because the Gulf produces as much or more oxygen than the entire Amazon Rain Forest. Let that sink in for a moment. Try to wrap your mind around that scale, and then realize that the Gulf is only part of the picture - more on that in a moment. As the cloud of death in the form of toxic petroleum and methane permeates the gulf things are going to begin to die. And the cloud of petroleum also reduces the amount of sunlight reaching the phytoplankton thus inhibiting photosynthesis. So, even before it dies from the toxins in the water its metabolism is going to be slowed by the unnatural shade and its consumption of carbon dioxide and output of free oxygen will be inhibited.

Under the surface the heavier oil is suspended as a large black cloud. Oceanographers have already noticed it in photos and in sampling from 2,000 feet down. As this heavier oil reaches coastal inclines it will be forced upward into shallower waters and befouling everything in its path. This cloud is so heavy that no life whatsoever can exist within it - saving perhaps a few bacteria.

Now think on a larger scale. The Gulf is not an isolated pond of water - it is part of the larger ocean that is simply a back pool but is connected to the larger ocean by the inwelling and outwelling of currents and tides. So, what happens in the Gulf will eventually spread into the larger open ocean - with the same effects.

As the growing cloud of petroleum and methane begins to move into the Atlantic, in addition to fouling beaches and killing wildlife, it will be a cloud of death to ocean life large and small. The last major event in the Gulf went unplugged for about 9 months, but it was about one third or less the size of this oil volcano. At the current minimum rate of flow the amount of petroleum that will have entered Gulf waters will, in just one year, exceed one BILLION gallons. Again pause to take that in as I know that these numbers are so large that most people are going to have difficulty with the scale. And the volume of methane will be treble that. And this is just based on the estimated flow rate which could be even greater than what we currently know. The government and BP are fighting furiously to keep the real numbers from the public.

At that rate the entire Gulf will become a Dead Zone in about a year. All the while the cloud creeps out into surrounding waters moving up and down coast lines killing virtually everything in its path.

Extrapolating outward the cloud begins to affect coastal fisheries and marine life of all kinds up and down the shorelines of two continents, and still it spreads. Since many third world communities rely upon fisheries for food and subsistence disease and death will follow in its wake. This is of course the “worst case scenario”, but at this point in time the actions taken to staunch the ruptured seabed from leaking devastating amounts of toxins into are incompetent and ineffective.

Carried out to its cataclysmic extreme, with no effective action to stop the flow of oil and gas, the potential exists to inhibit the greater ocean’s carbon dioxide absorbtion, and oxygen production, to the point that the atmosphere of the planet itself tips over into toxic.

May God Have Mercy on Our Souls.

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#36. To: BP's oil gusher in the Gulf, Spin terminology explained satire (#34)

(NaturalNews Satire) What exactly is a "junk shot?" How about "top kill" or an "undersea plume?" The oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico is introducing the world to all sorts of fascinating words and phrases from the world of Big Oil. Some of them can be a bit confusing, so as a public service to NaturalNews readers, I've published a short dictionary that provides the real meaning behind many of these new terms.

"Top Kill" - A technique used to kill everything on the TOP of the ocean using chemical dispersants that cause the dead animal bodies to sink to the BOTTOM of the ocean so they can't be caught on camera.

"Top Hat" - What BP executives will all be wearing at the huge banquet they will soon be holding to celebrate how they pulled off the environmental crime of the century without even a slap on the wrist (thanks to Big Government complicity).

"Blowout Preventer" - BP's public relations person who lies to the press to prevent a P.R. blowout from occurring. A blowout preventer preventer is any member of the press who asks tough questions.

"Junk Shot" - An effort to thrust shredded tires, golf balls and other trash into the hole to stop the oil flow. This is the oil industry's attempt to try to make the Gulf of Mexico look like the streets of Mexico City by filling it with trash.

"Chemical Dispersant" - A highly toxic chemical substance being pumped into the Gulf of Mexico by the hundreds of thousands of gallons in an effort to kill so much marine life that the toxicity of the oil itself seems small by comparison.

"Undersea Plume" - Rhymes with "doom." A term used to confuse mainstream news viewers who would be disturbed by the more accurate term, "Undersea VOLCANO of oil."

"Live Feed" - What BP calls a video loop which repeats a few choice frames over and over again and morphs them to create the illusion that it's actually a live video. The effect is further enhanced by adding a clock that counts off the seconds in real time in the lower right-hand corner. The public is now utterly hypnotized by these video loops, much like house cats watching ceiling fans.

"Mud" - A code word for crude oil. This is being repeated on the TV news when newscasters explain that the live video feed showing crude oil bursting out of the ocean floor is mostly just "mud." They actually mean oil. Mud, after all, does not explode from the ocean floor in a volcanic burst.

"According to plan" - A British Petroleum euphemism for "all f**ked up." As in, "The top kill procedure is going according to plan." The cleanup is going according to plan, too, it seems. As long as BP is in charge, everything is going according to plan. How dare you suggest they have no clue what they're doing...

"Barrel of oil" - An imaginary unit of oil volume that can be morphed into whatever size BP wishes it to be. At investors' meetings, the number of barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico magically becomes very large, but during oil spills, the number magically shrinks to appear much smaller.

"Cleanup workers" - Temporary workers hired by BP to comb the beaches in front of news cameras to make it appear like something useful is happening. BP has now promised to triple the number of active cleanup workers to nine.

"You will not be left behind" - A phrase uttered by President Obama, who, immediately after saying it, left everybody behind and took all of BPs beach cleaning crews with him, too. Obama has now returned to his golf game, where he claims to be working on the oil spill problem by aiming his golf balls in the direction of the Gulf of Mexico and hoping they will land in the gaping hole at the bottom of the ocean, thereby making them "junk shot."

Let's get serious Okay, everything above is just satire, but in reality this Gulf spill is serious business. Although we try to poke fun at the mistakes that were made in causing this to happen, the truth is that this situation is no laughing matter.

In the days ahead, I'm going to be posting stories about the seriousness of this environmental catastrophe and what it might mean for the future of our world. Make no mistake: This event has changed the course of our energy future, and it may actually change it in a very positive way in the long term (even though the short term cost of this catastrophe may be outrageously large).

Watch for more coverage of this unfolding event right here at NaturalNews.com. And in the mean time, try not to be hoodwinked by BP spin. The truth is, if they had any freaking idea what they were doing, the disaster wouldn't have happened in the first place (or they would have capped it long before now).

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   20:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: farmfriend (#35)

she posted yesterday. some good stuff too.

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   20:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: abraxas (#27)

Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.

Then what?

: )


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-30   20:05:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: christine (#37)

she posted yesterday. some good stuff too.

Hmmm, missed it. I'll take a look. I miss a lot unless someone pings me to it. Plus my computer was down yesterday. Nice to have an in house computer tech.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-30   20:06:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: christine (#36)

BP has now promised to triple the number of active cleanup workers to nine.

But no guarantees.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-30   20:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: wudidiz (#38)

Then what?

: )

No further dispatches.....communications severed......like the monks who remote view, nothing after 2012. Then, the collective conscious goes bezerk and, in all honesty, it's been on the edge of bezerk for awhile now. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   20:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: wudidiz, christine (#40)

BP has now promised to triple the number of active cleanup workers to nine. But no guarantees.

Eight are already calling in sick from the dispersants.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   20:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: abraxas (#41)

it's been on the edge of bezerk for awhile now.

Time for a beer.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-30   20:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: farmfriend (#43)

Time for a beer.

Sounds good......make mine a Sam Adams. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   20:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: farmfriend (#39)

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...i? ArtNum=118551&Disp=2#C2


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-30   20:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: wudidiz (#45)

Ah thanks!


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-30   20:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Most people are aware of the Amazon Rain Forest and what that plant life means to the production of breathable Oxygen. However, most people are unaware that the oceans produce 50 to 70 percent of the available free oxygen. This is done by ocean plant life mostly in the form of what is known as Phytoplankton. Phytoplankton are small, often single cell, micro plants that form the base of the ocean food chain. Phytoplankton takes dissolved carbon dioxide and minerals from the sea water, and with the input of energy in the form of sunlight, through photosynthesis they create cellular matter which is then consumed by the next higher level of the food chain and on and on with the larger consuming the smaller until you reach the top of the food chain.

So, why the lecture on the ocean ecosystem? Because the Gulf produces as much or more oxygen than the entire Amazon Rain Forest. Let that sink in for a moment. Try to wrap your mind around that scale, and then realize that the Gulf is only part of the picture - more on that in a moment. As the cloud of death in the form of toxic petroleum and methane permeates the gulf things are going to begin to die. And the cloud of petroleum also reduces the amount of sunlight reaching the phytoplankton thus inhibiting photosynthesis. So, even before it dies from the toxins in the water its metabolism is going to be slowed by the unnatural shade and its consumption of carbon dioxide and output of free oxygen will be inhibited.

Good synopsis of this false flag and clear, impassioned wake up call, O_I!

Your information about the oceans producing ~70% of our oxygen, always a good prime fact to remind people about and the relative size of the Gulf as part of our vital air supply should get some people's attention.

The more I read about Corexit, the more I see a ghoulish wit behind the naming of it!

As these soulless robots make the problem far worse, to make money off the "cleanup", to hide the plume and prevent the recovery of the oil, and it seems, to further the population-culling agenda, the more apt the name:

Core Exit: "All those NOT among the 500 million elites and their chosen lap dog slaves, please exit life boat Earth immediately!"

Dumping the most toxic dispersant in huge amounts, like zombies, into the u.s.'s most fertile fishery, flyway stopover and breeding grounds, looks like the chemtrail gambit on speed!

Talk about a slow acting false flag!

I am frankly surprised at how well the mediaMatrix's denial-by-boredom is working. The intermind is awakening fast but the MSM mind-control is working as usual for the moment....

Once the first human sicknesses and deaths are reported, coming in from airborne precipitation of the Corexit raised by evaporation and storms, it will be a different game.

Trying to suppress deaths in the Middle East empire assault is one thing; caught lying about deaths in the u.s., even if equivocated by the usual "they were already sick" gambit, is quite another thing.

If you snap credulity too hard, you break the trance. Without the mind-control pacifying hypnosis, the oppressed slaves-who-think-they're-free will be more than the guards can handle.

Then, it will be interesting times....


Anger? as a first reaction to get your a$$ moving, once you see through the Media Matrix and set yourself free from your lifelong mind control collar. Sustainable? not enough to screen your intention to be free from the Talosians, who can’t read primitive emotions but know what you watch on cable/sat, read on the Internet and eat. Our ultimate weapon is laughter and amused detachment at the folly of the would-be emperors. Fear mongers HATE it when the FEAR card doesn’t work. The humiliation of being seen as merely a naked ape is THEIR big fear. Laugh the bastards off the stage! Tell your friends that we can build a real civilization from the ruins of the totalitarian game!

HighLairEon  posted on  2010-05-30   20:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#44)

Sounds good......make mine a Sam Adams. : )

Anchor Porter here.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-30   20:56:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend (#48)

I'm thinking that it might be a real good time to stock up on tunafish and shrimp while out on the beer run.......might run out of opportunies to pick any up real soon. : (

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   21:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: abraxas (#49)

Yes, I suspect the price of Shrimp, wild caught in particular, is going to become a bit elevated. Tuna mostly comes from the Pacific so it may not go up - as much.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-30   21:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Original_Intent, abraxas (#48)

Sounds good......make mine a Sam Adams. : )

Anchor Porter here

Negra Modelo


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-30   21:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Original_Intent (#50) (Edited)

Tuna mostly comes from the Pacific so it may not go up - as much.

I heard that environmental scientist on that Democracy Now clip saying that right now is the tuna spawning time and that the gulf was the main producer for the US. Did you happen to watch that clip? Maybe I heard him wrong or wasn't paying close enough attention.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   21:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: HighLairEon, Original_Intent (#47)

excellent posts, both of you.

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   21:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: abraxas (#52)

That may well be the case for one species - Tuna is distributed throughout the warmer waters of both oceans. However, while there may be a Tuna fishery there I know that a lot of it comes either out of Southern California or from overseas fisheries - Thailand, South Pacific, etc., .... So, it may be my misconception that the Pacific Tuna Fishery was more important.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-30   21:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: christine (#53)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-30   21:59:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Original_Intent, abraxas, christine, all (#54)

OI, Here's an interview with Carl Safina....

The video is found here, but I don't think you can watch it, so you can read it here:

JUAN GONZALEZ: As we continue our discussion on the BP oil spill, we turn now to look at the long-term ecological impact of the spill. Our next guest testified before Congress last week and warned the fallout from the spill may be felt across much of the world. Joining us here in New York is Carl Safina, the founding president of Blue Ocean Institute. He’s author of many books about marine ecology and the ocean, including Song for the Blue Ocean. Welcome to Democracy Now!

CARL SAFINA: Thanks for having me.

JUAN GONZALEZ: What message did you bring to Congress?

CARL SAFINA: Well, that this is not just a regional disaster, although it certainly is, but that the Gulf of Mexico is a tremendous engine of life and also a tremendous concentration zone, where animals from the whole open Atlantic Ocean funnel into the Gulf for breeding and millions of animals cross the Gulf and concentrate there on their northward migration and then fan out to populate much of North America and the Canadian Arctic, the East Coast, the Canadian Maritimes. So it’s a real hotspot, and it’s a terrible place to foul.

AMY GOODMAN: Tuna?

CARL SAFINA: The bluefin tuna that occupy most of the North Atlantic Ocean have two separate breeding populations. One breeds in the Mediterranean. The other breeds in the Gulf. So all the tuna that populate the East Coast, the Canadian Maritimes, the Gulfstream, even that go as far as the North Sea, many of those are from the western population and breed only in the Gulf of Mexico. This is their breeding season. They’ve just about finished now. And their eggs and larvae are drifting around in a toxic soup of oil and dispersant.

AMY GOODMAN: Talk about the dispersant Corexit.

CARL SAFINA: Well, the dispersant is a toxic pollutant that has been applied in the volume of millions of gallons and I think has greatly exacerbated the situation. I think the whole idea of using a dispersant is wrong, and I think it’s part of the whole pattern of BP trying to cover up and hide the body. They don’t want us to see how much oil, so they’ve taken this oil that was concentrated at the surface and dissolved it. But when you dissolve it, it’s still there, and it actually gets more toxic, because instead of being in big blobs, it’s now dissolved and can get across the gills, get into the mouths of animals. The water below the floating oil was water. Now it’s this toxic soup. So I think that in this whole pattern of BP trying to not let people know what’s going on, the idea of disperse the oil is a way of just hiding the body. But it actually makes the oil more toxic, and it adds this incredible amount of toxic pollutant in the dispersant itself.

JUAN GONZALEZ: And the potential you were talking about, that this is the season when so much of the marine life and the bird life is creating their young, what is the effect on the birds, on those birds that are about to hatch or maybe are already in the process of hatching?

CARL SAFINA: Yeah, well, not only do you have birds there that are breeding, like the pelicans and some of the gulls and some of the terns, those birds will probably have a completely catastrophic breeding season, because it’s not just birds on the beach or birds in their nest. Their parents make a living diving into water. There’s no way around that. You can put booms that are twenty-feet high. They’re going to fly out to feed. And when I was there, we could see on the Chandeleur Islands quite a few of the terns were already lightly oiled, but they will just get progressively more and more oiled. And no amount of protecting the area where the nests are is going to change the fact that the parents are going to have a tremendous amount of trouble. And many of them will just get killed. But also, there were sanderlings, ruddy turnstones, black belly plovers and a dozen other species that don’t stay there. They’re moving, and they’re migrating through. They come—they winter as far south as southern South America. They nest across the Canadian tundra and in the High Arctic. They’re some of the longest- distance migrants in the world. They cannot do that unless their fathers are working. And if their feathers are sticking together, they’re not going to be able to make it. They don’t have the energy to get to where they’re going to go. So they’re going to be dropping out along the way. The other thing is you have peregine falcons that are coming across from the Yucatan on their way to breeding grounds in the Arctic—excuse me—and as far away as Greenland. They will be selectively picking off these birds that are compromised. So they will be getting higher doses of oil. So this is just a horrible place to have something like this happening, because it’s such a concentration point for animals that move.

AMY GOODMAN: What about the question of bombing the actual—where the leak is coming from? Some say BP doesn’t want to do it, because then they would have to rebuild if they would ever get to offshore drill again. But what effect would that have?

CARL SAFINA: Oh, well, I’m not a—you know, I’m not a drilling technologist, and I don’t know if it would work. But actually, bombing part of the sea floor right there, I think, would have no real ecological effect other than the noise, which would affect marine mammals like dolphins and whales. But, you know, one or two blasts, I think, if it shut the oil off, would probably have been worth trying. But I don’t know if that would work. AMY GOODMAN: Who do you think should be in charge of this operation, this cleanup operation?

CARL SAFINA: Well, BP had a lease to drill. They did not have a lease to pollute the Gulf of Mexico. They did not have a lease to blow oil into the environment. They did not have a lease to disperse the oil and try to hide the body. They don’t have a lease to clean up. They don’t have a lease to make the fishermen sick. They don’t have a lease to tell the United States, "We’ll keep using a dispersant that’s banned in Europe, even though you’re telling us to stop using it." They should have been shoved out of the way on day two. And there should have been a war council of all the other oil companies that know how to drill to focus on stopping the oil from coming out of the hole. And then BP’s responsibility—they are responsible, but they obviously don’t know what to do, and they can’t do it, and they’re not doing it. Their responsibility should be what they’re good at: pay money. Pay money to the United States. They’re on our property. They’re in our water. They’re making our people sick. They’re destroying our wildlife. Pay money and have the United States take over.

JUAN GONZALEZ: This whole issue of drilling in areas so deep that if there is an accident you cannot really get there to fix it, what is it—you know, to me, it’s almost like Three Mile Island or Chernobyl. It’s like you never—you were guaranteeing people that it would never happen, but once it happens once, you realize the potential catastrophe that you are creating through this process. What is your sense of the future of ocean drilling, in terms of what this has told the rest of the people of the United States and the world?

CARL SAFINA: Right, well, there have been other blowouts, and there have been major oil spills. It’s different than Chernobyl because we know it happens. It happens. It’s happened before. It will happen again. And it’s happening right now. So, you know, and obviously they didn’t have any backup plan. It’s as if having poked 30,000 holes into the sea floor of the Gulf of Mexico and have 5,000 rigs operating, it never occurred to them to say, "Oh, what if oil starts coming out of one of those holes, like it has in other places at other times?" They were completely unprepared. They don’t have the equipment. They don’t have booms that can work in open water. And what the obvious take-home message is, we don’t know how to do this. We can poke the hole. We don’t know how to deal with some things that we know happen, because they’ve happened. But people have not developed the technology or warehoused the tools or created booms that work in ocean swell conditions or any of that stuff. We’re trying to wring the last drops out of a depleting resource. And this really needs to be the pivotal moment where we say oil is declining, we need a national energy policy that looks past oil. You know, BP, at one time they said that their name meant "beyond petroleum." Now it’s "beyond pathetic." But we really need to get past oil.

AMY GOODMAN: What about "beyond prosecution"? Are they? And should they be held criminally liable?

CARL SAFINA: Of course they’re criminally responsible. They were trying to hurry up. When you have an argument on a rig about how fast to go and what to do, you don’t tell people, "Just hurry it up." I mean, this is absolutely criminal. And I think that—you know, we’re still asking, "Oh, can we go in? Can we use respirators?" This is insane.

AMY GOODMAN: The Atlantis, deepwater offshore drilling site, has that been shut down, which dwarfs the Horizon Deepwater?

CARL SAFINA: Actually, I don’t know if that’s still going on or has been shut down.

AMY GOODMAN: Has all offshore drilling been shut down? No?

CARL SAFINA: No, not at all. And in fact, unfortunately, the Obama administration, I think, blew it on the high ground here. You know, there was Sarah Palin, "drill, baby, drill," right? So we don’t want that; we elect Obama. And then what happens is we get "drill, baby, drill." That’s what we got. We got a stepped-up effort to eliminate the ban on offshore drilling that was, what, a couple of generations old. And now they’re stuck with that, because, of course, nobody wants to actually do the smart thing and say, "Oh, you know what? We made a mistake," because then, oh, they’ve lost face. So, oh, we can’t lose face. The obvious right thing is the drilling ban was the right thing to do. The drilling ban is the right thing to do. We don’t know how to take care of these problems. We need to stop it. We need to make this a pivotal moment and have a national energy policy for the first time that gets beyond this and phases out fossil fuels, which kill people, make people sick and detroy the environment.

AMY GOODMAN: We want to thank you very much for being with us, Carl Safina, founding president of the Blue Ocean Institute. He has written a number of books, including Song for the Blue Ocean.

www.democracynow.org/2010...cal_impact_of_spill_could


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-30   22:36:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: wudidiz (#56)

Good post however he sidesteps one of the key issues: How do you plug the hole, and what happens if the holes are not plugged and they keep pumping out millions of gallons of oil?

He is right in that BP is "trying to hide the body", but it appears that it is plural i.e., bodies since there are now 3 holes and their attempt to cap the smallest one failed - again.

So, we are still left with an unresolved promblem - made worse by the use of highly toxic dispersants.

The other 800 pound Gorilla is the several mile wide plume of heavier petroleum which is stretching out in deep water too heavy to rise to the surface.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-30   22:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: abraxas (#24)

100-pound hailstones fell.

Ouch.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-30   22:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: wudidiz (#56)

We want to thank you very much for being with us, Carl Safina,

And we want to thank you, Amy, for failing to remind us how much dough 'Bama got from British Petroleum.

Expropriate British Petroleum.

randge  posted on  2010-05-30   22:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: randge (#59)

Yeah, but she does bring up huge elephants that other MSM ignores completely:

What About Israels Arsenal? Part 2 - 4-14-2010 Democracy NOW!

She talks about Obama claiming to be for reducing nukes while ignoring Israel.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   23:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: wudidiz (#56)

Thanks Wud......I thought I heard him talkin' tuna.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-30   23:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Original_Intent, christine, wudidiz, Horse (#0)

I'm beginning to wonder if this is an act of Israel and/or the Rothchilds in order to show Obama and Congress what they can do if they don't get their way.

Look at the "Investigate the FED" matter for instance, or Obama's apparent loss of love for Israel as of the past several months, where the Israelis appear insulted that Obama didn't kiss their ass enough for their liking.

They wanted to remind everyone who the boss is perhaps.

This could all be an act of terrorism that IS being committed by the same people who REALLY brought us 9/11.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-05-31   2:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: FormerLurker (#62)

And the Goldman Sachs investigation is over.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-31   2:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: farmfriend, original_intent (#23)

good grief. outstanding article, with the Revelations verse sending it over the top. Chilling!!

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-31   10:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: abraxas, wudidiz (#41)

speaking of 2012 i watched it last night. but amanda peet, the lead, is a truly disgusting shill for vaccines. her pop in law was head of fed. reserve bank of NY.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-31   10:35:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Artisan (#65)

I like Cusak, but I haven't seen 2012. Hollywood has long been a propaganda arm for Zionist interests. Long ago, they went after Marlon Brando and not much has changed since then. Sigh.

The prophecy, both Revelation and the Hopi, re: oil and this spill is eery.......

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-31   10:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: FormerLurker (#62)

I'm beginning to wonder if this is an act of Israel and/or the Rothchilds in order to show Obama and Congress what they can do if they don't get their way.

I know Jeff Rense floated that as a speculation the other day as well. Hard to say from the available evidence, but there are hints that not all occurred as has been misrepresented.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-31   12:52:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: abraxas (#66)

I like Cusak, but I haven't seen 2012.

Movie was full of stunts that make you say, "oh yeah right, like they could actually do that."


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-31   12:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: FormerLurker (#62)

I'm beginning to wonder if this is an act of Israel and/or the Rothchilds in order to show Obama and Congress what they can do if they don't get their way.

Look at the "Investigate the FED" matter for instance, or Obama's apparent loss of love for Israel as of the past several months, where the Israelis appear insulted that Obama didn't kiss their ass enough for their liking.

They wanted to remind everyone who the boss is perhaps.

This could all be an act of terrorism that IS being committed by the same people who REALLY brought us 9/11.

Some folks would say that's over the top, Lurker.

I'd say that you are right on the money.

They are lashing out HARD in all directions.

Expropriate British Petroleum.

randge  posted on  2010-05-31   13:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Original_Intent, christine (#3)

I think it should be clear at this point that Buckie is a paid poster whose function is to disrupt.

C'mon, Original_Intent, join the dark side with me. We have bikini clad women at our beckon call, all the narcotics you can reasonably handle, cars, homes and yes it is true .... piles of freshly printed cash by Ben Bernarke, himself. Plus and on top of the day to day working benefits just described, we receive an attractive incentive and bonus plan that sometimes dwarfs our petty salary package, which is meaningless in contrast.

Why, I am shaded under a grove of palm trees while laying in my hammock gently swaying in the cool breeze while I am receiving both a pedicure and a manicure by HUGE breasted women right now. In fact, they are peeling the tender skin off my grapes as we chit chat right now and popping the same into mouth!

No worries on this side of the fence. Life is good! Join us before our recruiting quota is filled up by tomorrow ...... we all receive unlimited capability to cast as many votes as we feel fit to perform and there is no income taxes to pay. Time is running out!

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-31   14:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Original_Intent, bluegrass (#10)

..... are minimizing the problem, repeating the government propaganda, and otherwise ignoring it.

Actually, I brought forward a chronological list of similar disasters MAXIMIZING your awareness of the problem.

It is because of PEAK OIL and the modern technological problems attempting to mine and distribute the energy that America and much of the world is dependent on.

Since you are braindead to PEAK OIL phenomena, you accuse every tom, dick and harry for the same or similar issue on a case by case basis when you "feel" you can justify your complaints. I thought the initial content of your thread was actually humourous since you side-stepped the ROOT-CAUSE of FAILURE while selectively tackling one example of the phenomena (BTW, this Gulf coast issue is NOT the WORLD's largest oil disaster, thus far).

You have to look at the BIG PICTURE to understand methods to correct, modify or otherwise change the problem. Unfortunately, you won't or you can't. In either case, you are looking more and more like a mere windbag doomed to pointing your finger at anyone but yourself.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-31   14:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: abraxas (#66)

2012

It's fun for no other reason than to watch California slide into the ocean. Whenever I'm having a bad day, I can run the first hour or so of the movie and it picks my spirits right up.

Or just enjoy a bowl of popcorn and watch the fun! Any way that Cali can slide into the ocean is completely fine with me.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-05-31   14:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Original_Intent (#20)

By limiting information they control what people know and are aware of and how they will react. If the general public really had a grasp of how truly truly serious this is there would be marches on Washington DEMANDING that it be handled and HANDLED NOW.

Let's keep the "general publick" informed and that is what is going on. Feel free to go to Washington and organize a rally. Get the steam off in publick instead of a chit-chat channel on the Internet as it would be good for you to get out and see the world hasn't stopped.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-31   14:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Samuel Gray, abraxas (#72)

Any way that Cali can slide into the ocean is completely fine with me.

Hey! Watch it buddy. LOL


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-31   14:32:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Samuel Gray (#72)

2012

My interest is perked........are there shots of Pelosi and Boxer going over the edge? : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-31   14:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: FormerLurker (#62)

I'm beginning to wonder if this is an act of Israel and/or the Rothchilds in order to show Obama and Congress what they can do if they don't get their way.

C'mon ..... you are pulling everyone's leg.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-31   14:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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