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Title: Flotilla passengers attack IDF when they drop in on them........
Source: you tube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded
Published: May 31, 2010
Author: Israeli Propaganda Machine
Post Date: 2010-05-31 22:14:15 by abraxas
Keywords: None
Views: 1406
Comments: 86

Making the case for murdering the passengers as the IDF was just dropping in to say "hi" to them all.......
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#23. To: abraxas (#22)
Check your PM.

Cynicom posted on 2010-05-31 23:25:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: buckeroo (#21)
You didn't see the soldier drop off at the beginning of the footage? What do you think caused him to drop so suddenly ... a marshmallow was thrown at him?

I'll tell you what I didn't see--ANY AK-47's. Why are you promoting propoganda Buckeroo?
Like I said, two pistols were taken FROM IDF COMMANDOS. That is the only guns reported in possession of passengers on the boats.
BTW, the flotilla was IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS where the IDF had no business dropping in on them. What's next? Are you going to defend the slaughter of the USS Liberty crew in international waters too? Claim they fired assualt rifles at them or something to deserve that act of war?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-05-31 23:27:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: abraxas (#24)
BTW, the flotilla was IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS where the IDF had no business dropping in on them. What's next? Are you going to defend the slaughter of the USS Liberty crew in international waters too? Claim they fired assualt rifles at them or something to deserve that act of war?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
buckeroo posted on 2010-05-31 23:29:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: abraxas (#24)
Like I said, two pistols were taken FROM IDF COMMANDOS.

The events are ongoing, and information will be updated as soon as possible. Israeli Naval commander, Vice Admiral Eliezer Marom is overseeing the events.
In the coming hours, the ships will be directed to the Ashdod port, while IDF naval forces will perform security checks in order to identify the people on board the ships and their equipment. The IDF Spokesman conveys that this event is currently unfolding and further details will be provided as soon as possible.
The IDF naval operation was carried out under orders from the political leadership to halt the flotilla from reaching the Gaza Strip and breaching the naval blockade.
The interception of the flotilla followed numerous warnings given to the organizers of the flotilla before leaving their ports as well as while sailing towards the Gaza Strip. In these warnings, it was made clear to the organizers that they could dock in the Ashdod sea port and unload the equipment they are carrying in order to deliver it to the Gaza Strip in an orderly manner, following the appropriate security checks. Upon expressing their unwillingness to cooperate and arrive at the port, it was decided to board the ships and lead them to Ashdod.
IDF naval personnel encountered severe violence, including use of weaponry prepared in advance in order to attack and to harm them. The forces operated in adherence with operational commands and took all necessary actions in order to avoid violence, but to no avail.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
buckeroo posted on 2010-05-31 23:33:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: buckeroo (#26)
IDF naval personnel encountered severe violence, including use of weaponry prepared in advance in order to attack and to harm them.

Yeh that's right - like the guy with the knife.
These people are psycos.
The US needs to have NOTHING to do with them.
I am starting to thing clearing out New York is a good start for the tewnty first century.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2010-05-31 23:36:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: buckeroo (#26)
Israeli Naval commander, Vice Admiral Eliezer Marom is overseeing the events.
IDF naval forces will perform security checks
IDF Spokesman conveys
The IDF naval operation
IDF naval personnel encountered

So, we are all to wait on bated breath for your SOLE SOURCE, THE IDF, to disclose whatever information they deem fit or that will serve their purposes.
Nary a mention of ANY information coming from the civilian passengers who were attacked and murdered by the IDF. I guess you feel that the IDF is the ONLY SOURCE that could possibly shed light (or darkness depending on one's perspective) on this situation, despite the fact they murdered civilians on this flotilla.
Say, are you generally so one sided in ascertaining events as you are in this case? If so, I'll need to scrutinize your posts more closely.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-05-31 23:41:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: tom007 (#27)
The US needs to have NOTHING to do with them.

I agree with you. Still, the evidence is quite clear to me that Israel informed these folks all along about the potential ramifications.
The problem with all this mess is that an embargo has been in operation for years and the only way ships may dock in Gaza is through a properly authenticated manifest by Israel. All countries have similar methods of and about manifests. Attempting to circumvent the rules can be considered an act of war or terrorism and certainly an invasion.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
buckeroo posted on 2010-05-31 23:42:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: buckeroo (#25)
Are you a one man wing of the Israeli propoganda machine, Bucky?
Still no reliable back up for your AK-47 claims? Perhaps the IDF will come through for you shortly.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-05-31 23:44:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: abraxas (#0)
Wow, good find.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz posted on 2010-05-31 23:48:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: abraxas (#30)
Still no reliable back up for your AK-47 claims?

I am still attempting to find the earlier source for that. I thought it was bookmarked but it is not. Still, despite EVEN that, it is evident that the flotilla meant harm .....
I wish America would do the same on the South of the border. Bomb the shit out of illegals coming to do damage or defy the rules of sovereignty ....
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
buckeroo posted on 2010-05-31 23:55:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: abraxas (#30)

Another view ... and apparently these brutal thugs just beat the living shit out of the IDF.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
buckeroo posted on 2010-06-01 0:02:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: buckeroo (#32)
Still, despite EVEN that, it is evident that the flotilla meant harm .....

No, it isn't evident. Would you be all welcoming if the IDF dropped in on your boat? Would you offer a hug and a kiss or try to kick their asses off your boat? How you can defend the actions of the IDF is beyond me.
Israel wasn't defending it's border. The IDF attacked at 60nm out into international water. They don't have any stinking claim to sovereignty at 60nm out.
Do you support the US sending commandos dropping onto Cuban boats in international waters and gunning down civilians? I'm sure that Israel would be the first to cry foul over such an overkill on force......hypocricy has always been a strong point for that nation.
And do you agree with their fairy tale about the USS Liberty too. It was in international waters when attacked and unarmed to defend against Israeli torpedos. The crew recalls body parts spewed across the deck, but I'm sure that you agree with Israel that the USS Liberty meant harm.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-01 0:04:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: buckeroo (#33)
Uh, Bucky, that's the video I posted at the beginning of this thread.....
Yeah, if the IDF dropped into my boat I'd beat the living shit out of them too. And those civilian "thugs" took the pistols from those "brave" commandos that dropped from helicopters armed to the gills to murder civilians. Poor widdle IDF with all the weapons and the helecopters.....they sure are the victim here of this botched attack on a civilian humanitarian aid ship in international waters while 20 civilians have been murdered by IDF arms.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-01 0:09:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: abraxas (#35)
Uh, Bucky, that's the video I posted at the beginning of this thread.....

LOL
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz posted on 2010-06-01 0:11:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: wudidiz (#36)
Step away from the sterno......lol
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-01 0:13:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: abraxas (#37)
lol... put down the pipe ; )
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz posted on 2010-06-01 0:15:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: wudidiz (#38)
I'm smokin' what you're rollin' Wud. : P
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-01 0:16:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: abraxas (#34)
Israel wasn't defending it's border. The IDF attacked at 60nm out into international water. They don't have any stinking claim to sovereignty at 60nm out.

Here is another video, abraxas, that is in the following article, written by a reporter in Jerusalem for "The Globe and Mail". It appears on the right hand side, down a bit from the headline. I haven't seen ALL the videos available, but I thought this one might clear up some of the "stories". If not, i'll keep hunting.
http://www.worldpress.org/link.cfm? http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheGlobeAndMail-Front/~3/uppUWTXW3sI/

Phant2000 posted on 2010-06-01 0:18:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: abraxas (#39)
I'm still waitin for the AKs.
Sheesh, you'd think a guy would've bookmarked that...
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz posted on 2010-06-01 0:18:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: wudidiz (#41)
I'm still waitin for the AKs.

In the video I just referred abraxas to, it appears there is someone with an AK47, but it doesn't look like a member of IDF, unless I'm blind in one eye and have lost the other.

Phant2000 posted on 2010-06-01 0:20:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: wudidiz (#41) (Edited)
Sheesh, you'd think a guy would've bookmarked that...

chug, chug.....now where did I put that derb nub bookmark? (scratches head, bangs head against desk three times for good measure)
I KNOW I saved that source...those "thug" flotilla floaters........
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-01 0:24:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: Phant2000 (#40)
i get the page cannot be found.

christine posted on 2010-06-01 0:25:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Phant2000 (#42)
We did not find results for: http://www.worldpress.org/link.cfm? http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheGlobeAndMail-Front/~3/uppUWTXW3sI/.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-01 0:25:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: abraxas (#43)
now where did I put that derb nub bookmark?

LOL!!

christine posted on 2010-06-01 0:26:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Phant2000 (#42)
Yes, thank you :)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz posted on 2010-06-01 0:27:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: tom007 (#1)
This is chuptza that will not fly. Israel lands commandos on a ship in International waters and claims to be the victim of violence.

Fox Jews and Cabala News Network like the Israeli story - they tell it over and over!
Somali pirates bad - Jew pirates GOOD -- go figure!
p.s. Have the Somali pirates even killed ten people in total?

your_neighbor posted on 2010-06-01 0:27:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: abraxas, Phant2000 (#45) (Edited)
We did not find results for: http://www.worldpress.org/link.cfm? http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheGlobeAndMail-Front/~3/uppUWTXW3sI/.

That's because it's two addresses lol
Here I'll hyperlink them for you:
www.worldpress.org/link.cfm?
feedproxy.google.com/~r/T...ail-Front/~3/uppUWTXW3sI/.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz posted on 2010-06-01 0:30:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: abraxas (#35)
Yeah, if the IDF dropped into my boat I'd beat the living shit out of them too.

I wanted your review of the mayhem those "peace" loving zealots portrayed. That wasn't a "boat"; that was a ship without an approved manifest sailing into a known embargo set up years ago; the captain carried over 600 passengers aboard making himself an incredible person that should have the Turkish government strp him of setting otherwise innocent civilians into harm's way.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
buckeroo posted on 2010-06-01 0:31:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: buckeroo (#50)
without an approved manifest

???
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz posted on 2010-06-01 0:32:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: wudidiz (#49)
That's because it's two addresses lol

Oh, I see it's operator problems again....more sterno stat!!
Thanks Wud.......but neither link brings up a video of civilians with AK-47's.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-01 0:32:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: abraxas, wudidiz (#45)
The URL I gave you is NOT what I copied (CTL "c"), but when I pasted (CTL "v") what I had copied, it came out as I put on here.
Here is an article from a North Cypress paper: http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/05/31/israeli-commandos-massacre- unarmed-peace-activists-in-international-waters/
I am copying the earlier URL by typing one letter at a time. I just tried it and it works for me. Let's hope this works for you: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheGlobeAndMail-Front/~3/uppUWTXW3sI/

Phant2000 posted on 2010-06-01 0:35:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: wudidiz (#51)
???

There was no approved manifest (what is onboard and whom is onboard) by the Israeli government. The embargo has been ongoing for years.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
buckeroo posted on 2010-06-01 0:35:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: buckeroo (#50)
I wanted your review of the mayhem those "peace" loving zealots portrayed.

Right, as opposed to those "peace" loving IDF commandos that can't even keep track of their pistols.
Again, the SHIP was in ITNERNATIONAL WATERS, not in the embargo port. Yes, all ships, even the Good Ship Lollypop should be ready for peace loving Israeli commandos to drop in on them from helicopters at 60nm out armed to the teeth.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-01 0:36:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: Phant2000 (#53)
Here is an article from a North Cypress paper:

So, is it an article or a video? You claimed you had a video to share of civilians with AK-47's.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-01 0:38:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: abraxas, wudidiz (#53)
You are both free to call me whatever that would best describe someone that plays but doesn't know with what!!!

Phant2000 posted on 2010-06-01 0:39:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: buckeroo (#54)
There was no approved manifest (what is onboard and whom is onboard) by the Israeli government. The embargo has been ongoing for years.

They were in international borders.
The "embargo" is an illegal, cruel and evil starvation program.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz posted on 2010-06-01 0:39:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: abraxas, Phant2000 (#56)
You claimed you had a video to share of civilians with AK-47's.

I'm don't think that's true. I think Phant2000 was just trying to help.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz posted on 2010-06-01 0:42:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: abraxas (#56)
You claimed you had a video to share of civilians with AK-47's.

You see the video to the right of the article, down a few inches that says, "Two versions of events on flotilla"?

Phant2000 posted on 2010-06-01 0:42:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: abraxas, wudidiz (#60)
I just watched it again ... it appears that several have AKs, but I'm not a gun person. I am just impressed by BEEG stuff that might erase the joos off the face of the earth. Problem is, it looks to me that any guns on that boat are held by the IDF.

Phant2000 posted on 2010-06-01 0:44:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: buckeroo (#13)
There was no pre-determined manifest offered.

There was none needed for Israel. They weren't landing there.

bluegrass posted on 2010-06-01 0:44:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: wudidiz (#58)
They were in international borders.
The "embargo" is an illegal, cruel and evil starvation program.

Are you saying that Israel can't defend itself against: smuggling, war aggression, terrorism and invasion?
I guess the USA can't either. No wonder America has a fouled and nasty polluted population.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
buckeroo posted on 2010-06-01 0:44:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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