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Title: Flotilla passengers attack IDF when they drop in on them........
Source: you tube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded
Published: May 31, 2010
Author: Israeli Propaganda Machine
Post Date: 2010-05-31 22:14:15 by abraxas
Keywords: None
Views: 1433
Comments: 86

Making the case for murdering the passengers as the IDF was just dropping in to say "hi" to them all.......

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#4. To: all (#0)

The MSM conveniently leaves out the fact that the IDF botched the operation, not unlike the ATF did WACO. Rather that drop down as a unit, they came down one by one, in a staggered way. It's logical to assume the first few who came aboard began shooting, thus leaving the passengers with one option to save their lives; fight them as they descended, or die. Who in their right mind wouldn't attack blood thirsty terrorists repelling from a helicopter?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-05-31   22:21:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

Rather that drop down as a unit, they came down one by one, in a staggered way.

They are VERY VERY lucky that the passengers were just irate civilians, and not armed fighters.

Of course they would have just done a USS Liberty treatment of the ship if it HAD contained armed fighters, they just wanted to drop in one by one for show, and for an excuse to open up with their Uzi's.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-05-31   22:28:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: FormerLurker (#8)

Of course they would have just done a USS Liberty treatment of the ship if it HAD contained armed fighters, they just wanted to drop in one by one for show, and for an excuse to open up with their Uzi's.

WHOOPS!

I have to take exception with you on this most recent issue and I am no fan of Israel. There was no pre-determined manifest offered.

Inward Foreign Manifest

Inward Foreign Manifest is a general term to describe the manifest that contains cargo or passengers from a foreign port that is being carried over beyond the first port of call in just about all nations around the globe. This is specifically called a Traveling Manifest.

It wasn't accepted and the flotilla knew that.

And a pile of those shipboard crew were (in fact) shooting with AK-47s at the Israeli helicopters.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-31   22:40:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo (#13) (Edited)

And a pile of those shipboard crew were (in fact) shooting with AK-47s at the Israeli helicopters.

Source that please........

Even the Israelis are stating that the passengers had only two pistols--both taken from IDF commandos.

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-31   22:46:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: abraxas (#14)

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-31   23:02:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#17)

And a pile of those shipboard crew were (in fact) shooting with AK-47s at the Israeli helicopters.

Where are the AK-47's you mentioned? They sure aren't in that video. And, frankly, there is no evidence of grenades and firebombs as the IDF claims--one could not identify the objects in the videos as such.

Say, why do you think the IDF was filming their terrorist drop in on the civilian boats?

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-31   23:09:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: abraxas (#19)

Say, why do you think the IDF was filming their terrorist drop in on the civilian boats?

Because they knew that the flotilla was not a "peace mission." Isn't some modern technology fantastick?

Where are the AK-47's you mentioned?

You didn't see the soldier drop off at the beginning of the footage? What do you think caused him to drop so suddenly ... a marshmallow was thrown at him?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-31   23:18:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#21)

You didn't see the soldier drop off at the beginning of the footage? What do you think caused him to drop so suddenly ... a marshmallow was thrown at him?

I'll tell you what I didn't see--ANY AK-47's. Why are you promoting propoganda Buckeroo?

Like I said, two pistols were taken FROM IDF COMMANDOS. That is the only guns reported in possession of passengers on the boats.

BTW, the flotilla was IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS where the IDF had no business dropping in on them. What's next? Are you going to defend the slaughter of the USS Liberty crew in international waters too? Claim they fired assualt rifles at them or something to deserve that act of war?

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-31   23:27:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: abraxas (#24)

BTW, the flotilla was IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS where the IDF had no business dropping in on them. What's next? Are you going to defend the slaughter of the USS Liberty crew in international waters too? Claim they fired assualt rifles at them or something to deserve that act of war?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-31   23:29:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: buckeroo (#25)

Are you a one man wing of the Israeli propoganda machine, Bucky?

Still no reliable back up for your AK-47 claims? Perhaps the IDF will come through for you shortly.

abraxas  posted on  2010-05-31   23:44:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: abraxas (#30)

Another view ... and apparently these brutal thugs just beat the living shit out of the IDF.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-06-01   0:02:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeroo (#33)

Uh, Bucky, that's the video I posted at the beginning of this thread.....

Yeah, if the IDF dropped into my boat I'd beat the living shit out of them too. And those civilian "thugs" took the pistols from those "brave" commandos that dropped from helicopters armed to the gills to murder civilians. Poor widdle IDF with all the weapons and the helecopters.....they sure are the victim here of this botched attack on a civilian humanitarian aid ship in international waters while 20 civilians have been murdered by IDF arms.

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-01   0:09:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: abraxas (#35)

Yeah, if the IDF dropped into my boat I'd beat the living shit out of them too.

I wanted your review of the mayhem those "peace" loving zealots portrayed. That wasn't a "boat"; that was a ship without an approved manifest sailing into a known embargo set up years ago; the captain carried over 600 passengers aboard making himself an incredible person that should have the Turkish government strp him of setting otherwise innocent civilians into harm's way.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-06-01   0:31:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo (#50)

without an approved manifest

???

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-01   0:32:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: wudidiz (#51)

???

There was no approved manifest (what is onboard and whom is onboard) by the Israeli government. The embargo has been ongoing for years.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-06-01   0:35:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: buckeroo (#54)

There was no approved manifest (what is onboard and whom is onboard) by the Israeli government. The embargo has been ongoing for years.

They were in international borders.

The "embargo" is an illegal, cruel and evil starvation program.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-01   0:39:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: wudidiz (#58)

They were in international borders.

The "embargo" is an illegal, cruel and evil starvation program.

Are you saying that Israel can't defend itself against: smuggling, war aggression, terrorism and invasion?

I guess the USA can't either. No wonder America has a fouled and nasty polluted population.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-06-01   0:44:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: buckeroo (#63)

They were in international borders.

The "embargo" is an illegal, cruel and evil starvation program.

Are you saying that Israel can't defend itself against: smuggling, war aggression, terrorism and invasion?

I guess the USA can't either. No wonder America has a fouled and nasty polluted population.

I'm not falling into your web of twisted logic.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-01   0:55:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: wudidiz, abraxas (#74)

I read somewhere on the net today that Israel is going to position a nuclear sub in that body of water to prevent further traffic!

Phant2000  posted on  2010-06-01   1:01:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Phant2000 (#78)

I read somewhere on the net today that Israel is going to position a nuclear sub in that body of water to prevent further traffic!

They already have two parked off the coast of Iran. How many nuke subs do they have? Too many.

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-01   1:08:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: abraxas (#80)

How many nuke subs do they have?

The very reason I think Iran should be able to manufacture whatever nuclear armament they need. Israel has refused to sign any agreement relating to nukes, denies it has any, and refuses to let the IEAE (or whatever you call them) inspect what they DO have.

Because they have refused and denied for so many years, I think they have more nuke weapons than they want us to know about. In any event, it is for sure that the playing field in that area of the world is NOT level. I am of the opinion that it should be.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-06-01   1:14:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#83. To: Phant2000 (#82)

refuses to let the IEAE (or whatever you call them) inspect what they DO have.

Worse, Dimona is an old nuke lab........does Chernobyl ring a bell? No inspections, but I read years ago that Dimona has cracks that are visible from arial photos.

I agree, they have more than they want anybody to know. I've always found this policy of ambiguity idiotic. It makes the US look like fools, especially Obama this week ignoring the elephant in the room at his nuke round table.

Odd how once JFK was out of the picture Israel simply got just what he refused to give them within a couple of months and that policy has been in place now for more than four decades.

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-01 01:20:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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