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Title: Congressman Assaults Student on Washington Sidewalk
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Published: Jun 14, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-06-14 07:34:19 by James Deffenbach
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#14. To: PSUSA (#12)
At minimum it's harassment, which is a violation. If it were me or you, doing that to him, it would be attempted murder.
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Jethro Tull posted on 2010-06-14 10:55:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#4)
Accents don't make anyone an ahole. I know many fine people with strong southern accents (and have been told that mine is pretty strong but it just sounds natural to me).

Well you know what Jeff Foxsworthy said: when people hear a Southern accent they automatically deduct 20 IQ points.
People from up north tell me I sound Southern, and I'm from the southern Illinois/Missouri area.
For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX
Turtle posted on 2010-06-14 10:57:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Eric Stratton (#7)
True!
My bad!
Apologies!!!
Just PO'd at the asshole! And frankly, I implicitly trust real "hicks" infinitely more than I trust these pigs.

No problem. I can understand people being pi$$ed at how that guy was acting. Looked like he thought he was a real VIP and how dare anyone ask him any questions.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 11:19:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
This rotten saggy eyed bastard should be asked the same questions by the same kids, over and over and over until the dude really snaps. In fact each and every one of these cretin SOBs should be interviewed on the street by kids as gutsy as this. The man looked looked a fool and that footage should make for a wonderful campaign ad for whomever his opponent is this November.

Ain't that the truth!?!?! The kid stayed calm and cool and ol Congressman Dip$#it lost it. As you say, it would make a fine campaign aid for his opponent, assuming he has one.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 11:21:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
The bastard's mail box is full.

He probably told whoever is maintaining it to put that message on there so he doesn't have to read anything from any proles and peons.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 11:23:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Lod (#13)
I'm your boss, servant. Now remove your filthy paw from me.

I believe he would have removed his hand from me, one way or another. I don't like people grabbing me like he did that kid.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 11:24:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Had this been one of my congressmen, or senator, I would have knocked them on their ass for even thinking of touching me. How dare this asshole do this? He should not only be prosecuted for assault, but the kids father should go to this guy's office and dispense an asskicking.
What a pathetic loser this guy is for picking on a kid. Then again, that's what democrat bullies do.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
TommyTheMadArtist posted on 2010-06-14 11:24:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Turtle (#15)
Well you know what Jeff Foxsworthy said: when people hear a Southern accent they automatically deduct 20 IQ points.

Makes it easier to "get over" on them too (the people doing the judging by accent).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 11:25:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#20)
Had this been one of my congressmen, or senator, I would have knocked them on their ass for even thinking of touching me.

Yes, the kid would have been within his rights to punch him right in the beak. Cameras rolling proved the congressman instigated the action through his inappropriate conduct.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 11:29:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Did the kid ask him about Bilderberg? Last time I saw a politician get this uppity was in response to a Bohemian Grove question.
Is this congressman up for re-election? lol
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-14 11:33:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: abraxas (#23)
Is this congressman up for re-election? lol

All members of the House of Reprehensibles are up for re-election every two years.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 11:37:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: James Deffenbach (#24)
That's right......I was confusing him with a Senate election. Thanks, Jeff.
Two years.......so long the public won't remember a thing.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-14 11:41:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: abraxas (#25)
Two years.......so long the public won't remember a thing.

No, this coming election he will be up for re-election just like all the other members of the House.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 11:43:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: James Deffenbach (#26)
Sorry, James. I'm still be groggy this morning. I need to mainline some coffee to get with the program. : )
On an up note......suddenly, I feel much better about an early retirement for this CONgressman.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas posted on 2010-06-14 11:49:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: abraxas (#27)
On an up note......suddenly, I feel much better about an early retirement for this CONgressman.

Yes, whoever is running against him (assuming someone is challenging him), should make sure this video is seen by everyone in their district. I believe this one could well be on his way out.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 11:52:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: James Deffenbach (#16)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Eric Stratton posted on 2010-06-14 12:40:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: James Deffenbach (#4) (Edited)
I know many fine people with strong southern accents (and have been told that mine is pretty strong but it just sounds natural to me).

Southern-fried hick.
;-)

P.S. The last time I went to Oshkosh, Wisconsin in 2000, I said "Yes, Ma'am" and "No, Ma'am" to the check-out clerk at a Target and she about fell over just because I was talking politely to her. That seems to be somewhat of a rarity up there, I gathered.
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Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
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X-15 posted on 2010-06-14 15:24:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: X-15 (#30)
Southern-fried hick.

I'm proud to be a southerner. I am sure you have heard the saying, "American by birth, southern by the grace of God."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 15:32:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: James Deffenbach (#31)
The thing about living up north, vs, living in the south, is that down south, people used to get corrected for their rudeness. Up here, because of the fucking liberals, we have an anything goes horseshit attitude problem with everyone. Why? Because the south at one time and all its traditions were considered evil, thanks in part to race baiters, and various other race merchants.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
TommyTheMadArtist posted on 2010-06-14 16:02:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#32)
A friend of mine who had to live in New York for a while told me that you had to learn not to let them walk on you. Talked about how rude they were and get in line ahead of you, all that kind of stuff. She said it was no way to live and I am sure she's right.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 16:14:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: James Deffenbach (#33)
It's the same where I live. The difference between being white where I live, and being a fucking self-loathing white person is striking. Most minorities where I live are used to the self-loathing, milquetoast white people they encounter. Then they run into someone like me who doesn't subscribe to that politically correct, pussified bullshit.
My neighbors actually respect me because I don't screw around. I don't take their crap, and will go out of my way to involve myself in their bullshit should it start to encroach on my happiness. The other day I watched this chimp start beating on his 100 lbs girlfriend. It stopped the second I came out of my house and started to cross the street.
Told the girl to call the cops, she says "It's alright". I said, again, Call the cops. It's the only way he's ever going to learn, and you need to have some self-respect. To which the boyfriend got in my face and decided to shove me.
That didn't last long. She called the cops. When the cops got there, they charged the clown with assault on the girl, and wanted to charge him for assault on me, but I told the police that next time I wouldn't call them. I'd just take care of the problem myself, as I smiled at the retard on the ground in cuffs.
The best part about domestic assault cases in my town? They always send the big butch dyke cops to the scene, and every single one of them is fricking awesome in action. In every case that I've encountered these female cops, I've always had a good time.
So, where law enforcement is concerned, when they take out the trash like they did 3 nights ago, I'm quite pleased.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
TommyTheMadArtist posted on 2010-06-14 16:36:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#34)
Sounds like you did your good deed. I don't know why women allow men to beat on them and keep going back for more.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-14 19:01:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#35)
Well, it looks like she pulled her head out of her ass and moved out. Aint seen her, or any of her friends across the street, in a while. Maybe this lesson in self esteem will take.
Long story short, I live in a shitty neighborhood where the lower elements want it to stay that way. I as a home owner, have a stake in the neighborhood and won't stand for the bullshit.
They sold the house across the street to some Chinese people who have tenants already lined up. Saw the tenants. 2 Hmong families. Lovely. Wonder how much they're getting per head?
What an utter crock. My country is for sale to people from other countries, but yet it's nearly impossible for Americans to get ahead.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
TommyTheMadArtist posted on 2010-06-15 10:13:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#36)
What an utter crock. My country is for sale to people from other countries, but yet it's nearly impossible for Americans to get ahead.

Yeah, and as an American go to another country and see if you can buy land there. Not lease it but buy it. I don't think so.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-15 10:15:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: James Deffenbach (#22) (Edited)
Cameras rolling proved the congressman instigated the action through his inappropriate conduct.

I'm not so sure what happened in the beginning of the film. The LA Times says: It is unclear whether the video was edited. Etheridge represents the district of Fort Bragg and Pope Air Force Base and he opposed Bush's troop surge. But who are they and what is their project? Why is the alleged student's face obscured?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2010-06-15 18:54:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: GreyLmist (#38)
Did he oppose Bush's troop surge but then go along with Obama's? Obama has not made any effort at all to get out of that unconstitutional war. So any congressman who refuses to support something because it is proposed by someone with "the wrong letter after his name" but then goes along with someone else and the very same policy because he has "the right letter after his name" is a hypocrite and some other names that aren't very nice.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-15 19:16:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Eric Stratton (#1)
wasted the SoB

absolute ditto. i would relish the opportunity to react to such a scenario. unreal.
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Artisan posted on 2010-06-15 19:37:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
From the behavior of this congressman it appears he is spooked about something. Just students? Or Mossad agents knowing he was near a breaking point from their agencies harassment of him.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2010-06-15 19:42:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Artisan (#40)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Eric Stratton posted on 2010-06-15 19:47:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Looks like he took some lessons from the Israeli navy.

Pinguinite posted on 2010-06-15 20:10:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: James Deffenbach (#39)
Did he oppose Bush's troop surge but then go along with Obama's? Obama has not made any effort at all to get out of that unconstitutional war. So any congressman who refuses to support something because it is proposed by someone with "the wrong letter after his name" but then goes along with someone else and the very same policy because he has "the right letter after his name" is a hypocrite and some other names that aren't very nice.

I don't know his entire voting record. I could be wrong but I don't think he opposed sending troops to Iraq under Republican Bush, just the surge instead of a diplomatic solution after 5 years of extended tours and repeat deployments there. Kucinich is a fellow Democrat who proposed a resolution to end the war in Aghanistan and he didn't vote with him. I wouldn't categorize him as a "dove", so again I could be wrong but I expect that he would have voted the same way on that and to send reinforcements there where our forces were far fewer from the onset, regardless of which party was acting as Commander in Chief. Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that he is a hypocrite like many in Congress. I'd still like to know if the film was edited, who the alleged students are, what their claimed project is, and why the face of one is obscured. He could have just kept on walking in silence but maybe he saw something that we haven't and hoped to draw the attention of witnesses. Maybe not but he didn't seem to be paranoid about walking unprotected down the street and speaking to the interviewer at first. If he had no right at all to defend himself against a suspected bodily threat of some kind, why the mystery about the supposed students is my question.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2010-06-15 23:28:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: RickyJ (#41)
From the behavior of this congressman it appears he is spooked about something.

They should all (or just about all) be spooked. When they have voted to spend billions of dollars of other people's money on things they have to know are unconstitutional and that their acts are treasonous they should always be looking over their shoulder wondering who the lone wolf is. And if today might be their last one.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-16 6:53:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: GreyLmist (#44)
I'd still like to know if the film was edited, who the alleged students are, what their claimed project is, and why the face of one is obscured. He could have just kept on walking in silence but maybe he saw something that we haven't and hoped to draw the attention of witnesses. Maybe not but he didn't seem to be paranoid about walking unprotected down the street and speaking to the interviewer at first. If he had no right at all to defend himself against a suspected bodily threat of some kind, why the mystery about the supposed students is my question.

Who the students are shouldn't make any difference. They have every bit as much right to be on a public sidewalk as he does. They also have the right to ask him a question. He has the right to either answer their question or keep walking. He had no right to grab one of them. He should be glad he didn't grab someone who knew how to defend themselves and weren't afraid to do it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-16 6:56:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: James Deffenbach (#46)
Who the students are shouldn't make any difference. They have every bit as much right to be on a public sidewalk as he does. They also have the right to ask him a question. He has the right to either answer their question or keep walking. He had no right to grab one of them. He should be glad he didn't grab someone who knew how to defend themselves and weren't afraid to do it.

I don't know from the film if he had no right to self-defense at the time. He isn't defending his behavior on those grounds to speak of so he'll probably be out of office soon. I can't agree that who they are and what their project is shouldn't make any difference, even for the voters in his district. If they were Israeli "art" students on a mission to replace him with a neocon who has much less regard for the misuse and overuse of our Military, would it matter then? The definition of "Taliban" is "Students" and that's about all we know of them.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2010-06-16 22:51:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: GreyLmist (#47)
I don't know from the film if he had no right to self-defense at the time.

Everyone has the right to defend themselves, either verbally or physically. But unless the film was altered or edited he was not in any danger of any physical harm. Therefore, unless there is more than is apparent on the video he had no right to grab the student/young man. He had the right to keep walking if he didn't want to answer the question(s). He had the right to say no comment or even "I am busy, call my office for an appointment." He could have said any of that and kept going. But congressman/politicians should NEVER grab someone who is no threat to them. What if the student, assuming he was a student, had grabbed him? Do you think there would have been no consequences and repercussions?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-17 7:36:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: James Deffenbach (#48)
Everyone has the right to defend themselves, either verbally or physically. But unless the film was altered or edited he was not in any danger of any physical harm. Therefore, unless there is more than is apparent on the video he had no right to grab the student/young man. He had the right to keep walking if he didn't want to answer the question(s). He had the right to say no comment or even "I am busy, call my office for an appointment." He could have said any of that and kept going. But congressman/politicians should NEVER grab someone who is no threat to them. What if the student, assuming he was a student, had grabbed him? Do you think there would have been no consequences and repercussions?

Yes, he had the right to remain silent or to brush them off verbally and keep on going. Because he didn't do that and keep on going is why I suspect there is more to it than is apparent on the video -- that and the secrecy surrounding said students and their mission/project, which seems to have been just a "Candid Camera" episode of Etheridge. No doubt there would have been consequences and repercussions if one of them had grabbed him and there are those for Etheridge to face, whether it was a self-defense reaction on his part or not. If all it costs him is a large measure of respect after decades of service and his seat, that would be a high price -- especially if it was a devious set-up of some sort by "Mystery School" punk-agents with a political defamation agenda. Sounds like a big stretch of the imagination, I'm sure, to people inclined to view them as hapless victims and heroic for alerting the public to a seeming "loose cannon" but here's why I don't think they warrant shielding by hiding out in the shadows, even if they are "journalistic heroes" and especially if they aren't really: Other people not directly involved might pay with their lives or very dearly for this unsightly "development" that looks like it could result punatively in an early retirement or recall of this Congressman. North Carolina's 2nd district is a heavily Military district and heavily populated with their families, loved ones, and friends. If all he ever managed to do to his credit in all his years in office was try to stand between them and death, injury, and grief due to a slimy termite in the White House who cared no more for our Constitution than flushable paper, let alone them, Ethridge should be given a kind of Congressional medal of honor, imo. At the very least, he should be thanked profusely and awarded a high measure of respect for his gallant effort.
Video: Iraq Troop Surge Debate : Bob Etheridge - Anti Surge
Let's hope the neocons don't get far in a grab for his office.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2010-06-17 11:14:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: GreyLmist (#49)
If all he ever managed to do to his credit in all his years in office was try to stand between them and death, injury, and grief due to a slimy termite in the White House who cared no more for our Constitution than flushable paper, let alone them, Ethridge should be given a kind of Congressional medal of honor, imo. At the very least, he should be thanked profusely and awarded a high measure of respect for his gallant effort.

How he voted on Bush's wars doesn't tell me how he voted on Obama's continuation of them and the funding for them. If he voted against it solely because Bush had an R after his name and then voted for the same $#it for Obama he deserves nothing but scorn and contempt. At least that is how I see it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-17 11:23:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: James Deffenbach (#50) (Edited)
How he voted on Bush's wars doesn't tell me how he voted on Obama's continuation of them and the funding for them. If he voted against it solely because Bush had an R after his name and then voted for the same $#it for Obama he deserves nothing but scorn and contempt. At least that is how I see it.

Partisanship is not how I see it and have tried to explain why at Post #44. Iraq and Afghanistan aren't exactly comparable as to troop levels, redeployments, extended tours, or funding either. NATO was also calling for more help in Afghanistan. I didn't address funding in that reply because I didn't think it was an issue in your comments, just the continuation of war as if party were Etheridge's main concern about it; which I believe there is cause to doubt. I believe withholding evidence about the camera crew and their "project" is a disservice to his district. Why there are so many people (with apparently no interest at all in the state of North Carolina, apart from this incident) who are so faithfully committed to questioning absolutely nothing whatsoever about those semi-"Invisible Men" who virtually materialized on the sidewalk -- out of nowhere we know of for sure -- is beyond me. Jesus scarcely gets such automatic devotion en masse and there's way more supporting evidence in His favor as good intentioned than theirs.
In closing, I don't mind asking those "Mystery Schoolers" myself, based on their own disappearing routine: "Who R U cowardly, skulking 'Cheshire Cats'?" And I'll also say that anyone calling for our troops at war to be jeopardized by de-funding their needs rather than bringing them home is, in my view, more than contemptible and deserving of scorn. I've seen no evidence to indicate that Etheridge is one of them or hypocritically driven by party. If you don't have anything that reasonably shows otherwise about him, it would be nice if you would quit tossing him suggestively into those junk piles. This is already a terribly difficult situation for his district without inventive charges against him that don't apply.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2010-06-18 3:03:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: GreyLmist (#51)
I didn't say how the rat effer voted because I don't know. I said, and more than once now, that IF he voted one way when it was Bush and a different way for Obama then it tells me what I need to know about him. Assuming that to be the case, and it usually is, it tells me he is a partisan hack politician, not a statesman. Of course those are few and far between.
I had never looked at his voting record before but since it seems to be troublesome to you that someone would question him, here are some of this hero's votes.

* Voted YES on prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation. (Nov 2007)(This tells me that he is not a great believer in the freedom of association. That's one strike against him).
* Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)(Uh oh, shows he cares nothing about anyone's civil rights. Another strike against him).

* Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)(Protecting it? What was endangering it?)

* Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)(A vote against free speech. Another strike).

* Voted NO on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)(A believer in reverse discrimination. A self-hating whitey).

* Voted YES on more funding for Mexico to fight drugs. (Jun 2008)(That's the way. Piss away money we don't have to give it to oligarchs in Mexico. Are you beginning to see any pattern with this guy yet?)
* Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)(Congressman, Senators and the president should all be subject to random drug tests if they are going to require it of others).
* Voted YES on $40B for green public schools. (May 2009) * Voted YES on additional $10.2B for federal education & HHS projects. (Nov 2007) * Voted YES on allowing Courts to decide on "God" in Pledge of Allegiance. (Jul 2006) * Voted YES on $84 million in grants for Black and Hispanic colleges. (Mar 2006)
* Voted YES on requiring states to test students. (May 2001) * Voted NO on allowing vouchers in DC schools. (Aug 1998) * Voted NO on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997) * Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice. (Aug 2000) * Reduce class size to 18 children in grades 1 to 3. (Mar 2001) * Rated 92% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes. (Dec 2003)
Where does the Constitution grant any authority to get involved in education? That is a state and local issue, not federal.
* Voted YES on enforcing limits on CO2 global warming pollution. (Jun 2009) * Voted YES on tax credits for renewable electricity, with PAYGO offsets. (Sep 2008) * Voted YES on tax incentives for energy production and conservation. (May 2008) * Voted YES on tax incentives for renewable energy. (Feb 2008) * Voted YES on investing in homegrown biofuel. (Aug 2007) * Voted YES on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007) * Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007) * Voted YES on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun 2006) * Voted NO on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006) * Voted NO on authorizing construction of new oil refineries. (Oct 2005) * Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004) * Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003) * Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001) * Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001) * Voted YES on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000) * Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases. (Aug 2000) * Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)
# Voted NO on deterring foreign arms transfers to China. (Jul 2005)
# Voted NO on reforming the UN by restricting US funding. (Jun 2005) (A vote to give the UN any funds, ever, is a crime against America)
# Voted YES on $156M to IMF for 3rd-world debt reduction. (Jul 2000)
# Voted YES on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)
# Voted YES on $15.2 billion for foreign operations. (Nov 1999)

And to cap it off the rat ef is a war monger too.
# Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007) # Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006) # Voted YES on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004) # Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002) # Voted NO on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-06-18 9:48:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#52) (Edited)
I didn't say how the rat effer voted because I don't know. I said, and more than once now, that IF he voted one way when it was Bush and a different way for Obama then it tells me what I need to know about him. Assuming that to be the case, and it usually is, it tells me he is a partisan hack politician, not a statesman. Of course those are few and far between.
I had never looked at his voting record before but since it seems to be troublesome to you that someone would question him, here are some of this hero's votes. .
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Where does the Constitution grant any authority to get involved in ...
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And to cap it off the rat ef is a war monger too.

# Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007) # Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006) # Voted YES on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004) # Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002) # Voted NO on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! It's not that it's so troublesome to me that someone would question him. What's troublesome to me is that so many gloating and "fire breathing" people of sorts refuse to question anything at all about those other sketchy characters who have "left behind" more than just a political upheaval in a crucial region Militarily that could be exploited by neocons. That's a spookish turn of events as it is but it's almost like their following has been transfixed by sorcery into levitating them on par with the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11, and so their cloudy vanishing act is simply shrugged off with no more quizzical ado than they were called by God to do that in virtual accordance with their divine mission. Thank you for the sampling of Etheridge's voting record. As I have said, I don't think he's a "dove", nor do I think he's perfect or close to it, and I'm not surprised that he has voted UnConstitutionally many times, as both errant parties so often have. I don't know what his military votes shown can indicate to you on the assumption of partisanship but I still don't think his votes on Afghanistan and such recently would have been significantly different if a Republican was President, for the reasons I've listed. I do believe he did demonstrate a heroic level of statesmanship and diplomacy in opposing further misuse and overuse of our military in Iraq by a surge there. Since it passed bipartisanly, clearly he stood apart from his party "populars" at that time to do what he could to do the right thing and I, for one, am grateful to him for that.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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