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Title: Gov't files suit to throw out AZ immigration law
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap ... Ngod5yvfvOU1IInU0erAwD9GPPNLO6
Published: Jul 6, 2010
Author: BOB CHRISTIE
Post Date: 2010-07-06 17:46:25 by hondo68
Keywords: OpenBorder, Globalist, Traitors, Reconquistas
Views: 625
Comments: 47

PHOENIX — The federal government took a momentous step into the immigration debate Tuesday when it filed a lawsuit seeking to throw out Arizona's crackdown on illegal immigrants, calling it a law that blatantly violates the Constitution.

The lawsuit filed in federal court in Phoenix sets the stage for a high-stakes legal clash over states rights at a time when politicians across the country have indicated they want to follow Arizona's lead on the toughest-in-the-nation immigration law.

The legal action represents a thorough denunciation by the government of Arizona's action, declaring that the law will "cause the detention and harassment of authorized visitors, immigrants and citizens who do not have or carry identification documents" while altogether ignoring "humanitarian concerns" and harming diplomatic relations.

Supporters of the law say the suit was an unnecessary action by the federal government after years of neglecting problems at the border. Republican Gov. Jan Brewer called the lawsuit "a terribly bad decision."

Arizona passed the law after years of frustration over problems associated with illegal immigration, including drug trafficking, kidnappings and murders. The state is the biggest gateway into the U.S. for illegal immigrants, and is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.

The law requires officers, while enforcing other laws, to question a person's immigration status if there's a reasonable suspicion that they are in the country illegally. The law also makes it a state crime for legal immigrants to not carry their immigration documents and bans day laborers and people who seek their services from blocking traffic on streets.

Other states have said they want to take similar action — a scenario the government cited as a reason for bringing the lawsuit.

"The Constitution and the federal immigration laws do not permit the development of a patchwork of state and local immigration policies throughout the country," the suit says.

The heart of the legal arguments focus on the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, a theory that says federal laws override state laws. The lawsuit says there are comprehensive federal laws on the books that cover illegal immigration — and that those statutes take precedent.

"In our constitutional system, the federal government has pre-eminent authority to regulate immigration matters," the lawsuit says. "This authority derives from the United States Constitution and numerous acts of Congress. The nation's immigration laws reflect a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian interests."

The government is seeking an injunction to delay the July 29 implementation of the law until the case is resolved. It ultimately wants the law struck down.

State Sen. Russell Pearce, the principal sponsor of the bill co-sponsored by dozens of fellow Republican legislators, denounced the lawsuit as "absolute insult to the rule of law" as well as to Arizona and its residents.

"It's outrageous and it's clear they don't want (immigration) laws enforced. What they want is to continue their non-enforcement policy," Pearce said. "They ignore the damage to America, the cost to our citizens, the deaths" tied to border-related violence.

The lawsuit is sure to have legal and political ramifications beyond Arizona as the courts weigh in on balancing power between the states and the federal government and politicians invoke the immigration issue in this crucial election year.

Reflecting the political delicacy of the issue, three Democratic members of Congress in Arizona asked the Obama administration not to bring the suit in a year when they face tough re-election battles. On the Republican side, Sen. John McCain is locked into a tough primary fight as his right-leaning GOP challenger takes him to task for his earlier promotion of comprehensive immigration reform, which he has since abandoned in favor of a message to "Complete the danged fence."

The case focuses heavily on the legal argument called pre-emption — an issue that has been around since the Founding Fathers declared that the laws of the United States "shall be the supreme Law of the land."

The Obama administration's reliance on the pre-emption argument in the Arizona case marks the latest chapter in its use of this legal tool.

Within months of taking office, the Obama White House directed department heads to undertake pre-emption of state law only with full consideration of the legitimate prerogatives of the states.

The 2009 directive was aimed at reversing Bush administration policy which had aggressively employed preemption in an effort to undermine a wide range of state health, safety and environmental laws.

"The case strikes me as incredibly important because of its implications for the immigration debate," said University of Michigan constitutional law professor Julian Davis Mortenson. "The courts are going to take a close look at whether the Arizona law conflicts with congressional objectives at the federal level."

Kris Kobach, the University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who helped draft the Arizona law, said he's not surprised by the Justice Department's challenge but called it "unnecessary."

He noted that the law already is being challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups opposed to the new statute.

"The issue was already teed up in the courts. There's no reason for the Justice Department to get involved. The Justice Department doesn't add anything by bringing their own lawsuit," Kobach said in an interview.


Poster Comment:

Impeach Tarball hObama and AG Eric Holder for failing to enforce immigration law, and ignoring the Constitutional mandate to "protect the States against invasion".

Impeach, try, hang. Repeat as needed.

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

Nothing in the Supremacy Clause or the entire Constitution empowers Federal governmentals to assist invaders by refusing to protect the states from them. That amounts to Treason by co-levying war against states in an alliance with the invaders and is an attempted overthrow of our real system of government. Arizona is fully within its state's rights to deploy its National Guard for its security without the permission of Obama or D.C. and can even go to war against Mexico if that's what it has to do to protect its citizens. Article I, Section 10 states: No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, [sic] engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-06   19:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hondo68 (#0)

"The Constitution and the federal immigration laws do not permit the development of a patchwork of state and local immigration policies throughout the country," the suit says.

The Constitution does not permit, but REQUIRES, the sob's in the federal government to protect the states from invasion. They obstinately refuse to do one of their few sworn duties and then get pissy when someone else decides they have had enough.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-06   19:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

Impeach Tarball hObama and AG Eric Holder for failing to enforce immigration law, and ignoring the Constitutional mandate to "protect the States against invasion".

Impeach, try, hang. Repeat as needed.

Well said. I think Tarball would be a good nickname for the Kenyan.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-06   19:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: hondo68 (#0)

Obama makes a speech and they think the world will follow - not happening!

His guilt trips are not working!

The American people correctly see the problem --- only if the border is sealed will the problem be fixed. Only after that, can those who are here be dealt with.

THIS WILL NOT HELP OBAMA AND COMPANY COME ELECTION TIME.

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-07-06   19:38:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GreyLmist (#1)

Article I, Section 10 states: No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, [sic] engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Thanks for pointing that out. Good find!


My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.

hondo68  posted on  2010-07-06   19:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: hondo68 (#5)

You're welcome.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-06   20:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: hondo68, All (#0)

The heart of the legal arguments focus on the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, a theory that says federal laws override state laws. The lawsuit says there are comprehensive federal laws on the books that cover illegal immigration — and that those statutes take precedent.

If the above is the law and the lousy feds says it is in the law suit they filed against Arizona's immigration law, then Arizona's government and the governments of other states need to counter sue the federal government immediately for lack of enforcing federal law.

I would love to see sherrif Joe Arpaio start locking up those who violate Arizona law including the communist bastards from the federal government who went to Arizona to file this law suit. They also need to put out a bench warrant for obama bastard for failure to protect Arizona citizens from ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic.

LACUMO  posted on  2010-07-06   21:22:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: your_neighbor, hondo68, james deffenbach (#4)

i don't think the az law is unconstitutional, & it went out of its way to clearly prohibit racial profiling. however, i also know that it was not legally needed. cops in az are now, & have always been, rightfully able to demand id from anyone they rightfully stop. and, have always been able to detain people for immigration violations- proven by the case last month in which az cops did just that to an american. the notion that each state must pass an alleged 'special law' for this is inane horse$h!t. don't fall for it.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-06   21:26:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Artisan (#8)

i don't think the az law is unconstitutional

I don't think so either and I think it shows a lack of sense on Obama and his (in)Justice Department to sue over it. I wonder if they don't think that people are already pissed off enough or if they think they need to keep stirring.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-06   21:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All, original_intent, psusa, christine, lod, wudidiz, jethro tull, farmfriend (#8)

friends, the following was written before i pinged you to it, and is not meant to be as caustic and condescending as it appears... lol. it is simply how i would frame the question to those in the general public who cheer that more laws are always the 'answer'. (m)

do you all believe that each state in the union is currently forbidden to have their local cops id & detain people they suspect of immig. violations-? and that 'special legislation' is needed to grant them magic authority to begin doing this? if so, who taught you this and why did you believe it? there was a thread on missouri the other day, regarding this very topic. pretending we need new laws to enforce current laws is begging for unnecessary legal challenges. pigs havent deported illegals for decades because their masters instucted them not to. its by design. please get with the program & don't be naive bout this.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-06   21:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: James Deffenbach (#9)

james, i prefaced my post with a defense of the law so folks would understand where im coming from. but would you please address my main point. namely, why would a special law be needed to enforce existing law?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-06   21:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Artisan (#8)

SB1070 adds state penalties for being in AZ illegally, and also penalties for gov officials running a sanctuary city, or intefering with it's enforcement. It gives teeth at the state level, to the laws that the feds won't enforce.


My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.

hondo68  posted on  2010-07-06   21:53:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Artisan (#11)

james, i prefaced my post with a defense of the law so folks would understand where im coming from. but would you please address my main point. namely, why would a special law be needed to enforce existing law?

As I understand it the law they just passed in Arizona, the one that is giving Obama sleepless nights and heartburn, makes it a crime to be in the state illegally. And I believe it makes it a crime for city officials to make their cities sanctuary cities. I don't know that they "needed" a new law but they need to show the illegals and the fedgov that they are serious. This seems to have done that. Wouldn't you agree that it has gotten their attention?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-06   22:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: hondo68, *Illegal Immigration* (#0)

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-06   22:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Artisan (#10)

The states are sovereign.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-07   0:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Artisan, war (#11)

"....would you please address my main point. namely, why would a special law be needed to enforce existing law?"

You won't always get logical answers to questions if politics are involved. More cops have been getting killed in Arizona lately and they're undoubtedly having second thoughts about closing their eyes every time they see an illegal alien. Arizona cops turned down a chance to enforce the law four years ago:

    Tuesday, April 18, 2006 PHOENIX — Gov. Janet Napolitano vetoed a bill that would have criminalized the presence of illegal immigrants in Arizona, citing opposition from police agencies that want immigration arrests to remain the responsibility of the federal government".....LINK

So, if the Arizona legislature passes a law that says pretty much the same thing as the federal laws then everyone in Arizona gov't can pretend that Arizona law enforcement couldn't do anything about the illegal aliens until now. They did something similar in Florida a couple of years ago.

The new Arizona law might also have been passed as a way of announcing that things are going to be different in Arizona from now on.

The people that say the Arizona law is unconstitutional are probably missing the point or trying to obfuscate the issue. It doesn't matter whether or not the Arizona law is unconstitutional, or whether their legislature has the right to pass immigration laws, because Arizona's state and local law enforcement are allowed to enforce the federal laws.

    "....federal courts had repeatedly affirmed since 1984 that local police may inquire into immigration violations in the course of a routine stop"....."Local police departments have always had the ability to collaborate with the INS in enforcement operations."....."It is illegal for local governments to prohibit police cooperation with the INS, and individual officers who report violations are protected by law." LINK

    "The ruling in United States vs. Ontoniel Vasquez-Alvarez strikes down the widespread urban myth that local police have no power to arrest illegal aliens....State and local law enforcement officials are free to arrest criminals SOLELY ON THE BASIS of illegally being in the U.S."....LINK

Federal law already requires aliens over 18 to carry papers showing they are in the country legally. Americans just show their drivers licenses when they're stopped by the police.

So why is the Obama administration fighting the Arizona law if it's pretty much saying the same thing as the federal law? American Patrol posted an interview between O'Reilly and Brit Hume today suggesting that the answer to that question might be that "White working-class vote will be voting on a range of issues, whereas the Hispanic vote is maybe focused intently on this issue and others that surround the immigration issue....."

Big Meanie  posted on  2010-07-07   15:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Big Meanie, lod, christine, original_intent, twentytwelve, psusa (#16)

please be certain to read big meanie's post. absolute proof of what i've said all along!

thank you very much. yours is probably the best post on this issue so far. BAM-You hit the nail on the head.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-07   16:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: james_deffenbach, wudidiz, rotara (#16)

please read post #16. it's always been clear. cops can already enforce immigration law. the notion that each state must get 'special permission' by passing more laws is asinine & probably nothing more than a sick hegelian mind-#@$%.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-07   16:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Artisan (#10)

do you all believe that each state in the union is currently forbidden to have their local cops id & detain people they suspect of immig. violations-?

I heard today the word "civil" as in "civil cases" describing illegal immigrants actions. Pigs use this excuse when they don't want to enforce the law, and it is a legit law, not a police state bullshit law.

They say "it's a civil matter", like it is referring to some thefts, property destruction, etc. Not that these things are civil matters. They just use that excuse. I guess they'd rather be ganging up on and tasering bedridden grandmas on oxygen.

I think chimp and it's administration have really stepped into it this time. Be prepared for more people waking up and joining us. I see all of this as being Good News. It's about fucking time some people woke up. This will do it. It will show them who chimp and his little chimpettes are loyal to, in no uncertain terms.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-07   18:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: PSUSA (#19)

dude- this $h!t's givin me a headache. why is no one acknowledging the point so clearly proven in post 16, (a point i made months ago, i must add). big meanie made the point better though, & indisputable. Why are you the only one who watched that psycho socialist hag brewer, and you saw her in 2 minutes for what she is? they're still cheering the 'scatterbrained #@%%' (lol!) as you aptly called her, and cheering this b.s. law. no wonder this country is f'd?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-08   3:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Big Meanie (#16)

So why is the Obama administration fighting the Arizona law if it's pretty much saying the same thing as the federal law?

"Maybe we should not enforce all of those other federal crimes like bank robberies and so on." -- Sheriff Arpaio

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-08   4:06:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Artisan (#11)

why would a special law be needed to enforce existing law?

I'm guessing the real uproar over this law is less about offending illegals and "Latinos" (whatever that means--do they speak Latin?) over "racial profiling" than it is about mucho money that needn't be paid now by AZ (or any other states that follow suit) to the Department of Homeland Security at the rate of $500+ per officer for ICE's (Immigration and Custom Enforcement's) 287 (g) "certification" program/contracts to train and deputize them to act as immigration officials in addition to all of their other duties.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-08   5:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Artisan (#20)

Why are you the only one who watched that psycho socialist hag brewer, and you saw her in 2 minutes for what she is? they're still cheering the 'scatterbrained #@%%' (lol!) as you aptly called her, and cheering this b.s. law. no wonder this country is f'd?

The country is being invaded by extremely hostile people from points south of the border. Many of these people are gang banger drug dealers that murder wholesale. It makes no difference whether Brewer is a political "ho" or not ... Americans should NEVER be raped or murdered by illegal aliens, PERIOD.

If the FEDS refuse to do their duty in an organized and civilized manner, then the States (which created the NATIONAL GOVT as their agent) have an absolute obligation to do it.

If the States refuse to do it, then them able bodied male populace has to take matters into their own hands ... and things will get very ugly.

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces

noone222  posted on  2010-07-08   5:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Artisan (#20) (Edited)

and cheering this b.s. law.

Is it? I haven't read it.

Did she propose the law? Or not? You're right though, no special laws are needed when laws are already on the books.

I'm not up on the situation except in very general terms. I read somewhere that she sat on it and didn't sign it until it was advantageous for HER to do so. Maybe she thinks it's advantageous to sign it as she is getting ready to propose her big tax increase? It's a great distraction.

Brewer is between a rock and a hard place (my favorite politician position). Her constituents, the ones that actually pay for things and contribute to the economy instead of being parasites, demand it.

AFA the feds go, this is looking like a turf war, and maybe there is some corporate embarrassment. They aren't doing the job and they don't want to admit it.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-08   7:06:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: PSUSA (#24)

the main point, & perhaps its the fluoride in the water or the frenzied groupthink over this issue. but the most bizarre thing is that NO ONE, EXCEPT YOU, JUST NOW, FINALLY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT NO 'NEW SPECIAL LAW' IS OR WAS EVER NEEDED TO FUCKING ID, DETAIN, OR DEPORT ILLEGALS! FUCK! DOES A N Y O NE GET IT????????? then why this rabid obsession and claim of heroics over this statist brewer 'finally doing something'! people are SO DUMBED DOWN, SO DESPERATE. SO MINDLESS. SO VERY EASILY SWAYED, LED, i would say 'i quit' over this political bullshit except for the fact i find it interesting & important. but it is truly, truly hopeless.

post 16. the supreme court ruled decades ago (not that their 'ok was needed either), that states can enforce imm. law. police nationwide, including police & their union in az said No, we arent gonna! read their own statements. so, the reason its b.s. is because it is a false distraction. pr hype. all they had to do was enforce the law. this law teaches the public that 'special permission' must be fought for by each state to 'allow' cops to id illegals. people reply to this post by saying 'immigration is a problem, we must do something'. once again. the government does not want to solve this problem, or they would just do it. why wait till july 29th, arizona? why not start today? also, reaf earnest hancock's analysis of sb1070 for all the additional b.s. it includes. aside from immigration.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-08   10:02:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: All (#25)

artisan: 'did you know that the supreme court ruled decades ago that states are within their rights to detain & deport illegals? did you know that arizona purposely chose not to do so?' Frenzied Patriot: ' there are 30 million illegals! arizona had to do something'! artisan: uh...

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-08   10:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: psusa (#25)

i just had an epiphany. i have about 500 subscribers to my youtube channel. i need to make a video shouting at people, explaining this issue to them as if they're literal 3rd grade retards.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-08   10:32:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Artisan (#26)

artisan: 'did you know that the supreme court ruled decades ago that states are within their rights to detain & deport illegals?

In the meantime, though, Bush UnConstitutionally set up the Department of Homeland Security, under which ICE has been selling its lucrative 287 (g) "certification" progams/contracts to train and deputize law enforcement for immigration policing. So, if AZ is officially returning through this law to the practice of not needing to pay them for the power to police illegals, why are you so annoyed? -- or is that 287(g) business no part at all of what this law is about?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-08   10:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Artisan (#26)

Heck, make it even simpler.

Are state/local cops prevented from enforcing federal drug laws? Are state/local cops prevented from enforcing federal gun laws? Are state/local cops prevented from pursuing suspects of federal manhunts?

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-07-08   11:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: hondo68 (#0)

Blacks have a mean average genetic IQ of 85, Mexicans, 89. Mexicans aren't as lazy as blackis.

Blacks are looking at their own displacement from their jobs.

Obama, Al Sharpton...all of them...typical stupid blacks.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-08   11:12:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: GreyLmist (#28)

i read sb1070 and to knowledge it makes absolutely no mention of 287g, or federal usurping of states rights in general. it does mention failure of feds to do their duty, which is not the same as usurping or infringing on state authority. but i agree w/ you that feds have no legitimate authority to require states to go through such nonsense. i will look at your info. Still. what i posted re 1070 still stands. im working on a write-up of all this.thanks

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-08   11:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: SonOfLiberty (#29)

of course. didn't you know that states must get permission to enforce laws that have been on the books for decades? fox news and alex jones both told me so, ane hero socialist jan brewer, who should be the new queen of amerika, confirmed it all. without Jan, the world probably would have ended by now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-08   11:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Artisan (#32)

If they are, heck, we should all go ahead and get some full autos and walk down the road packing them. Wave merrily at the local/state cops and give them a hearty "thumbs up" while doing so. Light up a joint too, just for kicks, maybe offer some to the local/state cops if they're close by. If you see a federal BATF van though, hide.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-07-08   11:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: SonOfLiberty (#33)

Light up a joint too, just for kicks, maybe offer some to the local/state cops if they're close by.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   11:38:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: GreyLmist (#22)

I'm guessing the real uproar over this law is less about offending illegals and "Latinos"

And what's up with them calling themselves "Hispanic"? How many of them have ever been to Spain or could even find it on a globe? And what about the girls, why are they not Herspanics? Inquiring minds and all...or maybe someone with not enough to do just ruminating about bs.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   11:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: James Deffenbach (#35) (Edited)

Hispanic comes from the Latin word (real Latin) of Hispanicus, which means Spain.

I suspect that they're called that for the same reason Brits (and even some Americans) refer to themselves, sometimes, as Anglo-Saxons. The Angles and Saxons, as actually separate tribes/nations, ceased to exist long ago, but the name/term persists. Heck, most white folks consider themselves WASP's, even though they may not be either Protestants, nor Anglo-Saxons.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-07-08   11:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Artisan (#27)

"....i have about 500 subscribers to my youtube channel. i need to make a video shouting at people, explaining this issue to them..."

There are a couple of things I forgot to mention:

"There is no provision of the U.S. Code or the Code of Federal Regulations that obligates local law enforcement agencies to devote any resources to the enforcement of federal immigration laws"..... LINK

".....state and local law enforcement officials are free to arrest illegal aliens to the full extent permitted by state law"..... LINK

Apparently, local police are allowed to enforce immigration law, but not required to do so. In Los Angeles, for instance, the police chief, Daryl Gates, issued Special Order 40 prohibiting his officers from inquiring about the immigration status of suspected illegal aliens. Arizona, or various local depts, may have been able to place similar restrictions on their police officers somehow. If so, that might be the reason Arizona felt it was necessary to pass SB1070.

Big Meanie  posted on  2010-07-08   11:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: James Deffenbach, sonofliberty, x-15 (#35)

the indians in mexico mixed with the spanish, creating 'mestizos' aka miscegenation, (as seen on x-15's tagline). race mixing. if they arent part spanish, or hispanic, they'd simply be mayan or aztec indians. many mexicans i see down their have as fair complexion as i do.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-08   12:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: SonOfLiberty, James Deffenbach (#36)

James Deffenbach: And what's up with them calling themselves "Hispanic"? How many of them have ever been to Spain or could even find it on a globe? And what about the girls, why are they not Herspanics? Inquiring minds and all...or maybe someone with not enough to do just ruminating about bs.

SonOfLiberty: Hispanic comes from the Latin word (real Latin) of Hispanicus, which means Spain.

I suspect that they're called that for the same reason Brits (and even some Americans) refer to themselves, sometimes, as Anglo-Saxons. The Angles and Saxons, as actually separate tribes/nations, ceased to exist long ago, but the name/term persists. Heck, most white folks consider themselves WASP's, even though they may not be either Protestants, nor Anglo-Saxons.

All good points. Latino...Chicano...I can only conclude that they're having some sort of identity crisis and don't even know themselves what those words mean.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-08   12:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: James Deffenbach (#35) (Edited)

And what's up with them calling themselves "Hispanic"? How many of them have ever been to Spain or could even find it on a globe?

Good Catholic Spaniards get down on bended knee every night to thank God that a big fucking ocean keeps those Hispanics/Mexicans/Latino's/La Raza-scum from infesting their nation.

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Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-07-08   12:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Artisan (#31)

i read sb1070 and to knowledge it makes absolutely no mention of 287g, or federal usurping of states rights in general. it does mention failure of feds to do their duty, which is not the same as usurping or infringing on state authority. but i agree w/ you that feds have no legitimate authority to require states to go through such nonsense.

Glad to hear we agree on that. :)

i will look at your info. Still. what i posted re 1070 still stands. im working on a write-up of all this.thanks

Thank you for looking into the 287(g) issue. Looking forward to your write-up.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-08   12:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: X-15 (#40)

Do you think maybe they call themselves Latinos because they prefer Catholicism's traditional Latin Mass to the Vatican II version? I dunno. Still wouldn't explain what a Chicano is...Protestant/Atheist/or Other Hispanic, perhaps.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-08   12:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: GreyLmist (#42)

Do you think maybe they call themselves Latinos because they prefer Catholicism's traditional Latin Mass to the Vatican II version?

Anything they call themselves is an attempt to gloss over their true, RECENT, heritage:

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Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-07-08   13:01:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: GreyLmist (#42)

Still wouldn't explain what a Chicano is.

A drunk Mexican misspelled Chicago maybe?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   13:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: X-15 (#43) (Edited)

Ugh. If you don't mind, I'd rather think that alleged history and its trappings was invented for them in recent times by unfriendlies and forgers of fake archeology.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-08   13:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Artisan, SonOfLiberty, X-15 (#38)

As I told SOL it was just a little joke (very little apparently). Especially that thing about "Herspanics." It was just a rhetorical question on my part.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   13:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: James Deffenbach (#44)

A drunk Mexican misspelled Chicago maybe?

LOL That makes some sense, Hames. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-08   13:21:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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