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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#593. To: buckeroo, AGitprop (#587)
I'd take the credibility of the pilots and aviation experts who are members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth and believe THEM ANY DAY before I'd believe anything YOU or your sidekick AGitprop had to say Buckie.
Unfortunately there are no door openings recorded. However, this is not unusual as the cockpit door usually is kept closed during flight, and the FDR only records data when the engines are running, thus it won't record data between flights.
Who knows what he or anyone did with that REAL data. Do you? You are a liar buckie. The ISO image of the NTSB CD is provided at a third party hosting site. Do you want somebody to come to your door and hand deliver you the actual CD? File a FOIA request and have them send you one, as that is the only way they'll give it to you.
Because they claim the validity of the "FLT DECK DOOR" parameter can't be confirmed. No shit they "can't confirm" it, otherwise it'd be a blatent admission that Flight 77 wasn't hijacked.. Buckie is only interested in ways to invalidate the data and throw it into doubt. Since he is required to believe the "Official Conspiracy Theory™" any data contrary must be ridiculed, questioned unreasonably, and then when all objections are handled rejected. The last thing on Buckies (pardon the exaggeration) "mind" is the truth. So, any means of throwing the data into doubt will be grabbed at like a drowning man reaching for a life ring. Of course he will not say why he thinks that the Pilots would alter the data, and no amount of certification, or torture, will cause him to accept it.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The FDR has about 1.5 hours of prerecorded data on it, if actively armed. For each tick in the .csv file it is about 4 seconds. If the file had any precision about it, we would clearly see "OPEN" in the column of data. So there are three plausible outcomes here. 1) The file is manipulated from Stutt's website. 2) the FDR and or sensor were impaired or inoperative or 3) the file comes from another source altogether. In other words, FormerLurker, your thread is total BS anyway as it leads to no conclusion that there was some sort of conspiracy by any government body in the US.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I don't give a damn. It is not an authenticated NTSB copy FROM an officiating government site.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
That is twice you have made that claim. You have bare-faced lied to ME at least twice now and over a silly issue of the website where this data comes from.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Good question. The only people who know the answer for certain are the ones who pulled it off.
Unfortunately there are no door openings recorded. However, this is not unusual as the cockpit door usually is kept closed during flight, and the FDR only records data when the engines are running, thus it won't record data between flights. Oh, understood. But just speculating freely for a moment. Say that there were no door openings until about 70 minutes into the flight, long after it was supposedly hijacked, when a Stewardess went up for private confab, as the plane continues off course under remote control overriding the Pilot controls? Those are the lines along which I am speculating. Of course we wouldn't know it was a "Stewardess" but it would show that NO hijacker entered the cabin at any time prior. Thus the "Official Fairy Tale" goes out the window. It would actually be more damning as with no openings there is still room to try and claim that it was not functioning.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Hey dimwitted one, the NTSB WILL NOT PROVIDE THE DATA WITHOUT A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST. The NTSB provided Stutt with a CD to fulfill his request. Stutt placed an ISO image of the CD up on the web for anyone who wants it. That you're too lamebrained, lazy, or stupid to download it is not my fault, his fault, nor anyone else's fault but your own.
If there was a door opening during flight it could be claimed that was when the hijackers entered the cockpit. A better scenario would be a door opening and closing while the plane was on the ground, prior to takeoff. But that didn't happen.
But, I don't care what that idiot does, says or otherwise. His work is only good enough for fodder in a cesspool as it leads to no valid conclusions about anything. Now, why are you calling me "liar" and "lamebrained?" Are you becoming defensive because I found the Achilles tendon of your thread?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You are wrong in just about EVERYTHING there bucko. File your own fucking FOIA request and get your own copy of the CD then. Buy your own software from the company listed by the NTSB, and then report your results. We'll be sure to say you made it up since it's coming from you.
Why don't you email or phone the NTSB and ask if the copy provided by Stutt is genuine. I'm sure they can download his ISO image and compare it against their original CD.
Who made you a fucking EXPERT on this .csv file all of a sudden?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Yeah and wait 2-3 years for a response. Would you hold your breath?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Why should I? It is already unauthenticated and worthless as as a result and it is uncontrolled hands. No, they will not.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The information is openly available dimwit.
Then file your own request slick.
So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit. What other obtuse and off-the-wall terms are you going to throw in the bag because I pulled the legs of your thread right from under you?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Will you hold your breath? I pay the 25 bucks .. but the real issue is can you live for some government clerk to get off their ass and actually do something? And this leads to another issue: who is to say, that the government clerk even found the correct copy of the FDR for AMA FLT77.... who knows if the ENTIRE data structure was properly interpreted.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
People much smarter than you buck have filed a request, decoded the data, and reported the results. You are free to follow the same process, maybe you could even ask for some advice on the Pilots for 9/11 Truth forum, they might be able to help you out if you run into problems. That you tap dance and deny what has been done by others indicates you are REALLY just here to discredit their work, any which way you can. If the NTSB or any other government agency wanted to put the story to rest, they'd simply issue a press release stating that the data image used by Stutt had apparently been tampered with, if in fact that were true. Thing is, there are OTHER people who have a copy of the same CD, so they couldn't easily do that if Stutt's copy is the same as everyone else's.
NAW.... the .csv files from their own website easily allows an interpretation: "CLOSED" or "OPEN." Since the .csv files from TWOOFER_PILOTS contain the text "CLOSED" this clearly indicates one of my earlier posts: It is inconclusive stuff. There is no clear data to suggest the government or any authorized agency on any level of any government in the USA created an issue.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
So you can say beyond any reasonable doubt that the cockpit door SHOULD be opened during flight, eh? Okie dokie there dude.
At this moment, it is the TWOOFER_PILOTS creating the original thread based upon some "data" from an Aussie. I don't know about you but I question circulated data on the Internet. At most it is interesting .. at the least it is worthless similar to television news reports from the MSM; they can't even get local weather right for the next day. Shall the data change anything about the earlier circumstances? That is the bottom line question..... and you can't deny it.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Maybe for Christmas you'll get back your frontal lobe and finally be able to bring that horrible whistling noise under control.
"The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.” - William S Burroughs
Well buck, sorry but I thought the FLIGHT DECK DOOR field in the CSV would have reflected the raw state, being 0 or 1. Apparently the software converts the field to text, so yes, it'll show CLOSED or OPEN. In the original data it's 0.
Would you prefer to read what LIAR_PILOTS have to say?
lol, I recall just a few days ago wondering exactly when truth became a stand-in expletive.
"The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.” - William S Burroughs
Orwell would certainly be in awe.
Agreed, even though I edited that post with no explanation. :) Too late now, but I think "epithet" was the word I was looking for.
"The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.” - William S Burroughs
It doesn't matter now. There is a fourth consideration that is completely missing from Stutt's "expert opinion." The vintage of manufacture for the 757 used on FLT77 was in 1991. The FLIGHT DECK DOOR field for the 757 was in 1997 or on later models. For ALL fields used in the FDR that are inactive or not enabled, they remain closed or in the off condition. The FLIGHT DECK DOOR feature was not installed or activated at all in this case. This thread is closed, pal. IT IS DEBUNKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Not really, buck. You made an assertion upthread which I posted to and disproved and you never acknowledged it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. OK ... let's mop it up. Where is it?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Post #549
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The impact of the the twin towers had structurely weakened the building. In a sense you are correct.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Post 549 buck. Please pay attention, I already linked it for you in the previous post. And no, that bs about how some falling debris from the other towers caused 7 to get tired and fall down won't hold up either.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Yeah just like a screen is structurally weaker when you poke a pencil through it.
Not at the velocity the hijacked aircraft were traveling. The design was in the event of FOG as there were several earlier impacts of aircraft concerning the Empire State Building and Wall Street properties. This means the buildings were designed within certain parameters that you are not discussing; a relatively slow velocity. No building on the face of this Earth is designed to sustain a full velocity 757 or other craft at the hands of hijackers. Those additional parameters and publick safety measures would render the buildings incapable of construction.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAgreed. Just because some off-the-wall website with a pile of twoofers makes a claim, gives no credence to the raw data to support the thesis.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#594. To: Original_Intent (#592)
For example if the first door opening did not occur until well past the time the plane was allegedly hijacked. That would be even more of a smoking gun than no door openings.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#595. To: buckeroo (#590)
This is getting monotonous. The fucking data comes from your pal's (Stutt's) website.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#596. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, James Deffenbach, all (#589)
Now, why in the world would the US government release data that shows issues about it's own conspiracy against the people?
#597. To: FormerLurker (#589)
Because they claim the validity of the "FLT DECK DOOR" parameter can't be confirmed.
#598. To: FormerLurker (#595)
The ISO image of the NTSB CD is provided at a third party hosting site.
#599. To: FormerLurker (#595)
You are a liar buckie.
#600. To: Eric Stratton (#591)
Where'd 77 endo?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#601. To: FormerLurker (#594)
For example if the first door opening did not occur until well past the time the plane was allegedly hijacked. That would be even more of a smoking gun than no door openings.
#602. To: buckeroo (#598)
It is not an authenticated NTSB copy FROM an officiating government site.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#603. To: Original_Intent (#601)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#604. To: FormerLurker (#602)
(Edited)
The NTSB provided Stutt with a CD to fulfill his request. Stutt placed an ISO image of the CD up on the web for anyone who wants it.
#605. To: buckeroo (#597)
The FDR has about 1.5 hours of prerecorded data on it, if actively armed. For each tick in the .csv file it is about 4 seconds. If the file had any precision about it, we would clearly see "OPEN" in the column of data.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#606. To: buckeroo (#604)
But, I don't care what that idiot does, says or otherwise. His work is only good enough for fodder in a cesspool as it leads to no valid conclusions about anything.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#607. To: buckeroo (#604)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#608. To: FormerLurker (#605)
#609. To: FormerLurker (#606)
File your own fucking FOIA request and get your own copy of the CD then.
#610. To: FormerLurker (#607)
Why don't you email or phone the NTSB and ask if the copy provided by Stutt is genuine.
I'm sure they can download his ISO image and compare it against their original CD.
#611. To: buckeroo (#608)
Who made you a fucking EXPERT on this .csv file all of a sudden?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#612. To: buckeroo (#610)
Why should I? It is already unauthenticated and worthless as as a result and it is uncontrolled hands.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#613. To: FormerLurker (#611)
#614. To: FormerLurker (#612)
Then file your own request slick.
#615. To: buckeroo (#613)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#616. To: FormerLurker (#615)
You are free to follow the same process, maybe you could even ask for some advice on the Pilots for 9/11 Truth forum, they might be able to help you out if you run into problems.
So there are three plausible outcomes here. 1) The file is manipulated from Stutt's website. 2) the FDR and or sensor were impaired or inoperative or 3) the file comes from another source altogether.
#617. To: buckeroo (#616)
NAW.... the .csv files from their own website easily allows an interpretation: "CLOSED" or "OPEN."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#618. To: FormerLurker (#617)
So you can say beyond any reasonable doubt that the cockpit door SHOULD be opened during flight, eh?
#619. To: buckeroo (#618)
#620. To: buckeroo (#616)
Since the .csv files from TWOOFER_PILOTS contain the text "CLOSED" this clearly indicates one of my earlier posts:
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#621. To: buckeroo (#618)
At this moment, it is the TWOOFER_PILOTS creating the original thread based upon some "data" from an Aussie.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#622. To: FormerLurker (#621)
(Edited)
Would you prefer to read what LIAR_PILOTS have to say?
#623. To: Dakmar (#622)
lol, I recall just a few days ago wondering exactly when truth became a reverse expletive.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#624. To: FormerLurker (#623)
#625. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#620)
Well buck, sorry but I thought the FLIGHT DECK DOOR field in the CSV would have reflected the raw state, being 0 or 1.
#626. To: buckeroo (#625)
This thread is closed, pal. IT IS DEBUNKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#627. To: James Deffenbach (#626)
Not really, buck. You made an assertion upthread which I posted to and disproved and you never acknowledged it.
#628. To: buckeroo (#627)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#629. To: James Deffenbach (#575)
Even if that were true, which it is not as the information I provided showed, why did 7 fall? No plane hit it. Was it the Magickal Jet Fuel™ or some previously unknown and unknowable phenomena at work?
Maybe Santa Claus got out early and fell off his sleigh and hit it? Maybe the Easter Bunny got mad and threw an egg at it?
#630. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#560)
After 8 years you can't even come close to saying what or whose ass that is.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#631. To: buckeroo (#629)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#632. To: buckeroo (#629)
The impact of the the twin towers had structurely weakened the building.
#633. To: James Deffenbach (#549)
Those towers were designed to withstand the impact of commercial airliners.
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