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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks. The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total. One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition". The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell. Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York. After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001. This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking"). Resistance to collapse Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures. Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts. "The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website. Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse. His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down. This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground. 'Fair assumption' The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell". "One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen. The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings. The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center. This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers. Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble. Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse. Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design.
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#837. To: buckeroo, IRTorqued (#770)
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Somebody who doesn't know shit about TCP/IP or how the Internet works invented his own real-time kernal. Yeah, and Al Gore was your co-developer right?
It is all related to the terror events of 9/11. They were all allegedly done by the same group. God is always good!
just like the ever vigilant member of the liar movement, bucky knows there are obvious holes in official fairy tale WRT the pentagon and those holes translate into holes in the whole 9-11 fabrication the government has put forth. the tale bucky defends holds as much truth as a sieve holds water.
dang! kick him where his testicles would be if he had any why don't you.
Where's Orly Taitz, Phil Allen Berg, and J. Allen Keyes when you need them? MWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As with Obama birth certificate, k00ks don't call the shots, and to order someone else to produce evidence, the complaining party needs to have credible evidence of its own. Nobody is going to wet nurse a whiner just because he's throwing tantrums.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If they ever do, I'm sure you will suck up to them just as you do the ones calling the shots now.
God is always good!
Right, so cough up the FAA commercial license, or STFU.
Looks like the liar movement's not doing so well.
Ask'em about Barry Jennings. That's always fun...
Or what happened to the pentagon videos?
Probably the same the same thing that happened to the high quality videos of the moon landings. They got taped over to save money. LOL!
God is always good!
k00k ;-)
lol Looks like a Bingo to me. :)
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
MWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Where's your answer to my question about why there's no engine-noise in the background of those alleged phone calls from the alleged planes? Where's a valid source for your assertion, and Wikipedia's, that "Among the uncertain parameters was the status of the cockpit door, which showed no sign of having been opened during the hijacking or previous 40 hours, including 11 flights prior to the hijacking.[1]"? Your own Wikipedia reference does indicate that the evidentiary door parameters certainly don't support the hijacking story. Additionally, the rest of the statement, which evidently appears to be a fabrication, indicates as well that you need to remove #4 now from your itemized "not debunked" list. MWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! backatcha.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Again, find a copy of the FAA commercial license and put this matter to rest. Right on the fucking video I linked, the flight instructor and the other instructors I linked to say Here is the video again. Looks like you need repitition to penetrate into whatever brain cells you have left.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- k00ks don't call the shots Right, so cough up the FAA commercial license, or STFU. Hire Oily Taitz, Phil Berg, or J. Alan Keyes to file 60 lawsuits that will all get dismissed, loser.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fifteen seconds and twenty two seconds are not CLOSE to 9.22 seconds and there has never been even a single shred of det cord, timing devices, or thermite/blasting igniters discovered at any site at any time. Show me even a single piece of any of the above, Half Truther.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find a copy of Hanjour's FAA Commercial Pilot's License. There are many unsubstantiated CLAIMS made that he had one, but not ONE single shred of evidence that he actually did. It would normally be something you could easily find, since it's a critical claim made by the government that Hanjour did in fact have one. That there is absolutely no copy presented to the public as evidence that he DID have one indicates he more than likely DIDN'T. Being that he HAD no flying skills, it's obviously just an empty claim, and he more than likely possessed a forged document.
Fifteen seconds and twenty two seconds are not CLOSE to 9.22 seconds It is RELATIVELY CLOSE, in that we aren't talking about the difference between 9 seconds and 120 seconds, we're talking about the difference between 9 and 15. 9 seconds for absolute freefall through a vacuum, and 15 (alleged by YOUR cherry picked source) for the total collapse, where you admit that it took approximately 6 seconds to smash and destroy every undamaged support member of a 110 story building, pulverized it, and cause it to completely disintegrate and collapse, all without extra help. Ok bud, you're really making a lot of sense here... and there has never been even a single shred of det cord, timing devices, or thermite/blasting igniters discovered at any site at any time. How many office chairs were found? How many PC's, fax machines, or any other identifiable object? None.
So you think airlines set up their satellite phones noise filters to capture jet engine sounds instead of voice conversation? And you think somebody speaking quickly and urgently into the telephone about a hijacking and people getting their throats slashed is going to talk sotto voce so as to make sure the person getting called hears jet noise in the background? What a wack question. You can't even read a footnote? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which aircraft do you allege had "satellite phones" onboard?
Thing is, that's 40 hours of FLIGHT TIME, not the time the aircraft is on the ground.
One and a half to over twice the time of a freefall is not RELATIVELY CLOSE. Especially when - as I have already posted - real controlled demolitions remove as much of the obstructing material as is safe to make sure the buildings fall as fast as they possbly can. In order not to introduce additional problem causing variables such as uncertainty about timing of the collapse, and factors that would make the fall go in some unpredicatble direction because gravity forces would be mitigated. In a controlled demolition you want gravity to work straight down and as fast as possible. Anything other than that is not controlled demolition. There were pieces of thousands of aircraft pieces, human remains, office items, including Desks, FAXes, phones, toner cartridges, computers, printers, telephones.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Read the evidence and do your own research before demanding proof from people you are disputing because they don't support your CT. Orly Taitz type tactics of demanding evidence without supplying any, are not going to work for Half Truther challenges any better than they worked for Obama Birth Certificate challenges.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What an idiot. Of COURSE it is relatively close, to any rational person that is. 15/9 is 1.67, so it's not OVER TWICE, it's 1.67 times. What it comes down to is that it took 6 extra seconds to demolish a 110 story steel and concrete skyscraper than it would have taken for a rubber ball to drop from the very top of it. So yes, that IS relatively close to free fall. In a controlled demolition you want gravity to work straight down and as fast as possible. Anything other than that is not controlled demolition. LOL, so now you're claiming to be an expert on controlled demolitions, eh? You don't know jack about it, and for ANYONE to have pulled it off covertly, where it could be plausibly denied, it COULDN'T have been done any other way. There were pieces of thousands of aircraft pieces, human remains, office items, including Desks, FAXes, phones, toner cartridges, computers, printers, telephones. Really? Provide a link. And BTW, how could anyone search for evidence of explosives if the debris was kept under guard and no forensic analysis was done? Provide some documentation indicating that a full scale analysis was performed of the debris, where they were LOOKING for evidence of explosives.
In other words, there is no evidence.
There's plenty of evidence. I've posted thousands of words of links and videos while you and your pals are engaging in your snide gaybanter projections. But at some point you have to bring some to get some, especially when you want things repeated you've already been shown, with your only reply being "I don't wanna believe that. The gubmint made it up." Show me your evidence. A single piece of anything showing conclusive controlled demolition evidence. A single person describing how "they" blew up the WTC buildings without leaving any physical traces and zero eye witnesses.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If there were credibile evidence, you would have posted it. I haven't seen one shred of credible evidence in terms of whether or not there were skyphones on any of the aircraft which allegedly were used in the 9/11 attacks. Oh, and keep up the ad hominems, it really reinforces your position.
To me it is as simple watching a video of the towers come down. Gravity would not produce such forceful sideways and upward thrust of debris away from the towers. Not to mention asymmetrical damage could not produce a symmetrical collapse. Actualy I think only controlled demolitions can produce symmetrical collapses. Just further proof they blew the towers up.
God is always good!
Barry Jennings says you are liar about bombs being in the buildings. He was there and heard them.
God is always good!
That is certainly a strong indication that something other than gravity brought the buildings down. It's virtually impossible to have a totally symmetrical collapse without the use of explosives.
What, are you a KOOK or something? LOL! Good one. (I thought you might be missing BAC but I believe his twin has started posting here).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. 15/9 is 1.67, so it's not OVER TWICE, it's 1.67 times. What it comes down to is that it took 6 extra seconds to demolish a 110 story steel and concrete skyscraper than it would have taken for a rubber ball to drop from the very top of it. So yes, that IS relatively close to free fall. I explicitly said 1.5 to over double. 1.67 is greater than 1.5, and 22 is over twice 9.22. I'm right on both counts. You're doing your usual Half Truther obfuscation trying to hide that it's the Half Truthers who've been claiming 9.22 seconds free fall conspiracy for the last 8+ years and they are proven WRONG. That's nifty little shapeshifting theory you've got. But it's a lie. If something takes 9.22 seconds, it's supposed to be evidence of a conspiracy. And if it doesn't take 9.22 seconds, then it's supposed to be evidence of a conspiracy + a coverup. Straight from the father of all lies, Half Truther. Talking out of your a$$ again? How about the President of Controlled Demolitions, Inc. You know more than he does? Mark Loizeaux - President of Cont. Demolition Inc 0:54 "Then there's the placing of all the hundreds of explosive charges. Plus literally miles of insulating cable, and miles more of detonating cord.." 1:10 Question: "Building 7, occupied, and literally no one has seen anything?" 1:15 Answer: "In a screen play. In a movie. Something with Bruce Willis in it, maybe. Um, in reality - no." 2:27 "What does an explosion sound like? Most people don't know, because most people have never heard one. So any sharp, loud "bang," "that's probably an explosion." 3:22 "I didn't see windows broken on the backs of buildings. Only where debris falling from the towers struck...If explosives of the magnitude necessary to cut the columns in a big building were detonated, the windows all around would have been shattered. Ther's no way around it." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Jennings said no such thing, Half Truther, but as long as you want to quote him, have him produce the slightest fragment of explosive residue, igniters, det cord, or timing devices.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and still nothing but silence WRT all those videos seized from around the pentagon.
I say subject marvin bush to waterboarding and see what he has to say about explocives in the WTC and everything he knows about airport security. subject AGovshill to same but save the time of asking questions as it is obvious he knows nothing.
Awesome resource. I wish I had found it .... but independently PROVED the BS about the cabin door through original Boeing and FAA material.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Got a link?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Bullshit, it simply lists the FLT DECK DOOR parameter as unconfirmed.
What a complete and total ass you are. So if it took 9.23 seconds, there's no demolition, but if it took 9.22, well then there is. That's an extreme, but SIX seconds (or less) difference STILL is NOT NORMAL, and NOT DUE TO GRAVITY. 110 stories of steel and cement does not come apart in 6 seconds without a bit of help.
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#838. To: buckeroo (#834)
The Pentagon? This thread is about the WTC... are you daft?
#839. To: RickyJ (#834)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#840. To: FormerLurker (#837)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#841. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker, (#836)
Where's the proof? I want to see a copy of the FAA license, and/or information as to what commercial flight
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#842. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#737)
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Again, find a copy of the FAA commercial license and put this matter to rest.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#843. To: AGAviator (#842)
As with Obama birth certificate, k00ks don't call the shots
#844. To: AGAviator (#842)
k00ks don't call the shots
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#845. To: FormerLurker (#844)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#846. To: wudidiz (#845)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#847. To: Rotara (#846)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#848. To: wudidiz (#847)
Or what happened to the pentagon videos?
#849. To: RickyJ (#848)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#850. To: RickyJ (#833)
And the reason they didn't just go ahead and hit the Pentagon with a plane like flight 77 is because Rumsfeld was there at the time and he didn't want to take a chance of being killed by a real jumbo jet smashing into the Pentagon.
#851. To: AGAviator (#841)
(Edited)
Where's Orly Taitz, Phil Allen Berg, and J. Allen Keyes when you need them?
#852. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#737)
Oh so all of his other instructors were wrong, and only the one who somewhat supports YOUR view is the fountain of truth. What a jackass you are.
(1) He had a valid FAA pilot certificate, and
In typical Half Truther fashion, you only quote the parts you think will benefit your k00kspiracy theory.
(2) They did not think it that unusual or uncommon that he needed retraining for becoming safely trained to operate a Cessana 172.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#853. To: FormerLurker (#844)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#854. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#814)
what everybody here on this forum has said, is that the towers fell CLOSE to free fall speed, which is IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS controlled explosives were used,
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#855. To: AGAviator (#852)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#856. To: AGAviator (#854)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#857. To: GreyLmist, buckeroo (#851)
Where's your answer to my question about why there's no engine-noise in the background of those alleged phone calls from the alleged planes?
Where's a valid source for your assertion, and Wikipedia's, that "Among the uncertain parameters was the status of the cockpit door, which showed no sign of having been opened during the hijacking or previous 40 hours, including 11 flights prior to the hijacking.[1]"?
Right Here
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#858. To: AGAviator, GreyLmist (#857)
So you think airlines set up their satellite phones noise filters to capture jet engine sounds instead of voice conversation?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#859. To: AGAviator, GreyLmist (#857)
Where's a valid source for your assertion, and Wikipedia's, that "Among the uncertain parameters was the status of the cockpit door, which showed no sign of having been opened during the hijacking or previous 40 hours, including 11 flights prior to the hijacking.[1]"?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#860. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#856)
It is RELATIVELY CLOSE, in that we aren't talking about the difference between 9 seconds and 120 seconds, we're talking about the difference between 9 and 15.
How many PC's, fax machines, or any other identifiable object? None.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#861. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#858)
Which aircraft do you allege had "satellite phones" onboard?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#862. To: AGAviator (#860)
One and a half to over twice the time of a freefall is not RELATIVELY CLOSE.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#863. To: AGAviator (#861)
Read the evidence and do your own research before demanding proof from people you are disputing because they don't support your CT.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#864. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#863)
In other words, there is no evidence.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#865. To: AGAviator (#864)
There's plenty of evidence. I've posted thousands of words of links and videos while you and your pals are engaging in your snide gaybanter projections.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#866. To: FormerLurker (#863)
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#867. To: AGAviator (#864)
I've posted thousands of words of links and videos while you and your pals are engaging in your snide gaybanter projections.
#868. To: RickyJ (#866)
Not to mention asymmetrical damage could not produce a symmetrical collapse.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#869. To: RickyJ (#848)
Probably the same the same thing that happened to the high quality videos of the moon landings. They got taped over to save money. LOL!
Lord Acton
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#870. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#862)
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One and a half to over twice the time of a freefall is not RELATIVELY CLOSE. What an idiot. Of COURSE it is relatively close, to any rational person that is.
LOL, so now you're claiming to be an expert on controlled demolitions, eh? You don't know jack about it, and for ANYONE to have pulled it off covertly, where it could be plausibly denied, it COULDN'T have been done any other way.
0:20 "The largest steel structure we've taken down..Guiness Record...Hudson Building...It took months to prepare the structure...months...there's just no way to get around it...You go ahead and knock out, usually, all the walls..."
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#871. To: RickyJ, buckeroo (#867)
Barry Jennings says you are liar about bombs being in the buildings.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#872. To: James Deffenbach, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent (#869)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#873. To: AGAviator, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent (#871)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#874. To: AGAviator (#857)
www.ntsb.gov/info/AAL77_fdr.pdf
#875. To: FormerLurker (#868)
It's virtually impossible to have a totally symmetrical collapse without the use of explosives.
#876. To: buckeroo (#874)
but independently PROVED the BS about the cabin door through original Boeing and FAA material.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#877. To: AGAviator (#870)
That's nifty little shapeshifting theory you've got. But it's a lie. If something takes 9.22 seconds, it's supposed to be evidence of a conspiracy. And if it doesn't take 9.22 seconds, then it's supposed to be evidence of a conspiracy + a coverup.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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