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Title: JONES: ISRAEL-BASHERS ARE "SCUM"
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Published: Sep 23, 2010
Author: Rev. Ted Pike
Post Date: 2010-09-23 12:06:59 by Itistoolate
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JONES: ISRAEL-BASHERS ARE "SCUM"

By Rev. Ted Pike
22 Sep 10

In a recent Youtube clip, talk show host Alex Jones describes himself as the most influential leader of the Patriot/Tea Party revolt, next to Rep. Ron Paul. Many would disagree. Yet he inarguably has the power to influence and mislead many.

A tactic of the intellectually dishonest is to mock or defame their opponent instead of responding to their facts. On Youtube, Jones can be heard repeatedly using this strategy to oppose critics of Israel. ?What I want to say is this?I support Israel. It is their land?it is the UN that has declared them terrorists. The UN supports groups that want to dissolve Israel?? (Youtube: 'Alex Jones - "I Support Israel Its Their Land" Zionism') Jones ignores the 65 years of abuse of Palestinians and violations of international law that cause the UN to criticize Israel. He vilifies other critics of the Jewish state: ?I watch these Nazi and anti-Israel groups. They&r squo;re a bunch of scum.?(Youtube: 'Alex Jones on Israel critics: "weak minded idiots"...')

According to Jones, they are ?weak-minded idiots? who find fault with Israel because in 1948 she violently drove 800,000 native Palestinians into concentration camps. They are ?Israel-bashers? who refuse to accept Israel?s long and growing record of human rights violations, including:

* continuing seizure of Arab lands, largely through illegal settlements; * denial of basic freedom to Palestinians, particularly Gazans in recent years; * incarceration of an annual average of 8,000-12,000 Palestinians, most without due process;
* torture of Arab prisoners, including women and children (See, Torture in Israeli Prisons);
* ban on free speech for Christians to witness in Israel under penalty of imprisonment, as well as government-permitted persecution of Messianic Christians by ultra-Orthodox Jews;
* proliferation of hundreds of nuclear missiles which threaten a Mideast Armageddon, while bullying Iran for allegedly planning to build even one such weapon;
* control of Congress and manipulation of the electoral process by pressure and money from the Jewish lobby;
* draining some $5 billion annually in foreign aid to a nation which makes enemies for America in the Mideast and has enticed us into Mideast wars for its own benefit.

These are just starting concerns for ?scummy? people like me and millions of others. Jones says he is ?sick of peer pressure to attack Israel? and he wants nothing to do with us.

And he has one high-sounding reason. Jones says too much truth about Israeli and Jewish misdeeds will ?radicalize? the Tea Party movement and destroy its ability to win elections. Jones says he will limit his criticisms of Israel only to those opportunities where he can be ?credible.?

After Israel brutally attacked the Gaza flotilla, Jones allowed an apologist for Israel to defend its actions. He did criticize Israel?s raid (Youtube: 'Alex Breaks Down Gaza Aid Flotilla Ship Attack by Israel ...' 4 parts), yet he has not emphasized the dangerous agenda inspired by Judaism?s sacred Talmud and Kabbalah, with their history of fomenting communism and world revolution. He has never exposed the well-documented Jewish dominance of big media?including Hollywood, the big three TV networks and the largest print media in America. (See, Jews Confirm Big Media is Jewish). Instead of speaking the truth, he says, ?Hollywood is owned by the Arabs, and the Israelis for some reason. But the actual financing? is mainly Saudi and Jordanian and the folks from Dubai and Qatar and a few other places and the British of course.? (Youtube: 'Alex Jones Covers Up That Israel Owns Hollywood')

Clearly, Jones is not about to antagonize the Jewish power structure. He specializes in diverting attention to the lesser conspiracies of Masonry, the Illuminati, Bilderbergers, CFR, Trilateral Commission, even the Bohemian Grove, etc. He says self-righteously that he will not ?wear Nazi armbands? by criticizing Zionism or Judaism's racial/religious goals. He will not associate with the ?mentally ill? who express such concern.

Jewish/Zionist supremacism originated 2,000 years ago with the same Pharisees who crucified Christ. It is enshrined in Rabbinic Judaism?s most sacred scriptures, the Talmud and Zohar (Kabbalah). This vast and hateful racist literature clearly states that Jews must someday control the world, after destroying the strong opposition that comes from Christian/capitalist civilization.

But according to Jones, the masses should not know too much of this controversial truth. The Patriot Movement should relate to dumbed-down Americans, who are oblivious to the Zionist danger, by ignoring it themselves. Yet such ignorance will not lead to safety.

Nor will the whole truth lead to fanaticism and violence. The truth about Jewish control in media, international finance and Congress will make many angry; that?s called ?righteous indignation.? But it does not create violent, bigoted fanatics out of most people, whose moderation and perspective will encourage restraint. Instead, the whole truth will empower us to become discerning citizens who can defend American liberties, culture and foreign policy! Such enlightenment contributes to slowing unconditional support of Israeli injustices that inflame the Arab world; slowing the ability of the Anti-Defamation League to pass freedom-destroying legislation; slowing election and appointment of supremacist Jews to high office; slowing Jewish media?s corruption of Christian culture and beliefs; slowing America?s debt to Jewish international bankers through the Federal Reserve ? in short, slowing the advances of Jewish supremacism to destroy Christian civilization!

Jones: Media Manipulator

Jones? mentality is that of every dictator and censor, who says half-truths secure the threads of social fabric and the safety of governing elite. History reveals that ending such censorship leads to liberty. When the Bible finally became accessible during the Protestant Reformation, Rome?s dominion was shattered. The profusion of Biblical truth resulted in independence of thought and action, vital to the founding of the greatest social experiment in history: the United States of America.

If the whole truth poured out, the Zionist stranglehold on western nations would be demolished. We could see a new age of enlightenment and renewal. The whole truth does not radicalize society; it stabilizes it.

Jones vilifies true patriots and attempts to scare us away from facing reality. He says that, when patriots criticize Jews and Israel, they are playing into the globalists? hands, who pit one group against anther, desiring to create world chaos. The truth is, the globalists are Jewish supremacists. Yet Israel, ADL, Rothschilds, Bronfmans, etc. above everything else, fear worldwide exposure and criticism. By cautioning patriots against criticizing (bashing) Jewish supremacists, it is actually Jones who sows mass confusion and inaction, becoming one of the NWO?s best protectors. It is hard to defend Jones from the charge that he sows disinformation along with the truth.

By urging the same ruinous appeasement of the Jewish supremacist agenda as have Christians and conservatives for the past century, Jones, despite his bluster, is an appeaser. His ?moderation? on the Jewish issue is really a mask for his enormous fear of Jewish power.

A year ago, a trusted friend of mine, then a Jones supporter, told me he called Jones? office and, surprisingly, Jones answered. During their conversation, Jones expressed anxiety about criticism of him for not addressing the Jewish issue. But he feared the Zionists more.

?The Jews,? Jones said, ?own everything.?

Jones wants us to believe he isn?t afraid and will not hesitate to tell the whole truth. Yet his conspicuous silence about the threat of Jewish supremacism speaks powerfully: Alex Jones lives in fear of the Jews.

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The History and Meaning of 'Palestine' and 'Palestinian' By Michael Bussio

"From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries..." - Professor Bernard Lewis, Princeton University "There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not." -- Professor Philip Hatti, Arab historian to the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946.

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." - Delegate of Saudi Arabia to the United Nations Security Council, 1956

"Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough." -- Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, author of "Myths of the Middle East"

There has never been a Palestinian state in the history of the region. Palestine has never existed as an autonomous entity.

There is no language known as Palestinian.

There is no distinct Palestinian culture.

There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians.

The "so-called" Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Egyptians, etc.

Even the name Palestine came from the Roman Emperor Hadrian around 135 A.D. after Rome put down yet another Jewish revolt.

The Emperor, increasingly angered by the rebellious nature of Judah, Judea, and Samaria, became determined to break the back of the stiff-necked Jews once and for all.

When asked who the Jews most ardent enemies of the distant past were, the Emperor was told the Philistines; thus the name Palestina, which would later be morphed into the word Palestine.

(Alan Note: the Philistines have since become EXTINCT as a race or people)

Nearly eighteen hundred years later, Great Britain took over that part of the Middle East as a mandate from the League of Nations. The British chose to call the land Palestine.

It wasn't long before the various Arab tribes, native Egyptians, Syrians, and Turks living in the area adopted the word Palestine as if it were some ancient name passed down from their forefathers.

Strangely, the Arabs couldn't even pronounce it correctly, and used the fictional entity, Falastine.

The Word-"Palestine"

The word Palestine has never been used as a name of a nation or state, but rather as a geographical term, used to designate the region at those times in history.

The word Palestine comes from the name Peleshet. Peleshet appears frequently in the Bible and entered into English as "Philistine." It dates to the thirteenth century B.C. These people were thought to be the dangerous "Sea Peoples" that so threaten the Aegean, Egypt, Syria, and present day Israel, Turkey, and Lebanon.

Historians and archeologist believe these "Sea Peoples" originated from Greece and many of the Greek Islands.

From there they would raid the region for plunder and general destruction. Eventually, they would establish five independent city-states (including Gaza) on a narrow strip of land that came to be known as "Philistia."

The Greeks and Romans would call it Palestina. At no time were the Philistines of old ever considered to be Arabs.

They were not even Semites. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic, or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman "Palestina" derived from Peleshet.

How Did The Land Of Israel Become "Palestine"?

In the First Century after the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, the Romans crushed the independent kingdom of Judea. Though the Jews had successfully created a nation state for the second time in their history (the first being that of King David and King Solomon), it was eventually smashed by the Roman Emperor Hadrian.

In the Emperor's haste to wipe out the identity of Israel-Judah-Judea-Samaria (those areas that make up much of Israel today), Hadrian not only defeated the Israelite armies, slaughtered countless hundred thousands of Jews, and sent many more into exile, but took the name Palestina and imposed it on all the Land of Israel to further humiliate the Jews.

At the same time, he changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina.

Though the Romans killed many Jews and sold many more into slavery, there was never a complete abandonment of the Land by its people. There was never a time when there were not Jews and Jewish communities living on the land.

A Short History of Palestine

Before the Greeks, before the Romans, before the land was known by its invented Roman name of "Palestina," more than a millennium ago, the region had been called the land of "Canaan."

The people known as Canaanites had the unique ability of creating small vibrant city-states, though none ever reached the grandeur and efficiency of the Greek city-states of antiquity. At times these small states were independent, but for much of their history, the Canaanite city-states were vassals of an Egyptian or Hittite king. In their entire history, the Canaanites never united into a single nation.

After the Hebrews were granted their freedom in the Exodus from Egypt nearly 3,300 years ago, they wandered the desert for the next 40 years before settling in the lands of Canaan. There they would form the first Jewish government, the first Jewish nation, out of the kingdoms of Israel, Judah, and later those of Judea and Samaria.

Israel-Judah-Judea and parts of Samaria united into one nation, thus forming the "only" independent, sovereign nation-state that has ever existed in the entire history of "Palestine" west of the Jordan River. (In Biblical times, Ammon, Moab, and Edom as well as Israel, had land east of the Jordan, but they disappeared in antiquity and no other nation took their place until the British invented Trans-Jordan in the 1920's.)

The Roman Empire would eventually extend its borders to the Middle East with the conquest of Judea, Judah, Israel, and Samaria. This region would become a province of the pagan Roman Empire and then of the Christian Byzantine Empire, and very briefly of the Zoroastrian Persian Empire.

After the death of Mohammad in the 600's A.D. the Arab-Muslim Caliph conquered Palastina from the Byzantines, and made it a part of their Arab-Muslim Empire. Because the Arabs had no name of their own for the area, they opted for adopting the name the Romans gave the region-Palastina, which the Arabs pronounced Falastine.

During this time in history, much of the mixed population of Palastina was converted to Islam and eventually was pressured to adopt the Arabic language.

Whether they liked it or not, the people of the region were subject to the whims of a distant dictator, the Caliph. The area of Palastina at no time ever became an Arabic nation, or ever became an independent Arabic state of any kind, or ever developed a distinct Arabic culture and/or society.

The year 1099 A.D. marked the first year of the First Crusade. It was also the year the Christian Crusaders conquered Palastina-Falastin. After 1099, it was never again under Arab rule.

Though the Christian Crusader kingdom was politically independent, it never developed a national identity. For all intents and purposes, it remained only a military outpost of Christian Europe, and lasted less than one century.

Thereafter, Palastina-Falastin would be ruled as a subject province by Syria, then by the Egyptian dominated, ethnically mixed slave-warriors known as Mameluks, and finally by the Ottoman Turks.

Near the end of the First World War, the British, led by the likes of General Allenby and Lawrence of Arabia, took control of Palestine from the Ottomans. Thus with the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of the war, its once-subject provinces came under the influence of the European powers.

Palestine was one of those subject provinces, and it came under the control of Great Britain who would now govern the territory on a temporary mandate from the League of Nations.

The Historical Home of the Jews

Over the centuries, many from the West traveled through the region. They gave an excellent account of what they saw there. And what they saw was depressing to say the least.

All mentioned the land as being empty, neglected, abandoned, and desolate. "Everything had fallen into disrepair and ruins," one visitor said. An English pilgrim stated in 1590, "There is nothing there (Jerusalem) to be seen but a little of the old walls which is yet remaining, and all the rest is grass, moss, and weeds".

The British consul to the region stated in 1857, "The country is in considerable degree, empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is of a body of population."

It was not unusual to hear from travelers returning home from this area of the Middle East to assert that, "There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent [Valley of Jezreel]-not for 30 miles in either direction...

One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings." It was reported in Europe and the United States that, "For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to the Galilee... Nazareth is forlorn... Jericho lays a moldering ruin... Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation ... untenanted by any living creature..."

One visitor declared that the "country was desolate whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds ... a silent, mournful expanse ... a desolation... We never saw a human being on the whole route... Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere.

Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil had almost deserted the country..." Even Mark Twain was taken by the devastation of the region, stating in his 1867 trip to the Palestine territory, "Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes ... desolate and unlovely..."

The land would not maintain its "desolate and unlovely" image for long. With the coming of Jewish pioneers in the latter half of the Nineteenth Century, who would join with the many Jews who already lived in the region from time immemorial, the land began to turn green. Their hard work and diligence in bringing the land back to life attracted many others in the Middle East who sought employment opportunities and a better lifestyle.

Thus many Arab migrants were drawn to the area in hopes of better conditions for their families.

"His Majesty's government views with favor the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object..." This was the Balfour Declaration of 1917. It was validated by the League of Nations Mandate, and thereby committed the British Government to the principle that there would be a Jewish state in that portion of the Middle East. It also specified that those Jews living in the region be preserved and protected.

The area in question to which Britain had committed itself, Mandated Palestine, originally included all of what is now Jordan, as well as all of what is now Israel, Judea, Samaria, and the Gaza strip. This would change when Britain's wartime (First World War) ally, Emir Abdullah, was forced out of his Hashemite domain in Arabia by the Saudi family.

In order to preserve their alliance however, Great Britain opted for making the former king ruler of a great portion of Mandated Palestine and lands east of the Jordan River. There was no traditional or historic Arab name for this land, so it was called after the river: first Trans-Jordan and later just Jordan.

With the British violating their own declaration under the mandate, the proposed ancestral and National Home for the Jews was cut by more than 75 percent. From this point on, no Jew has ever been permitted to reside in Trans-Jordan/Jordan. In addition, the British progressively restricted Jews from building, farming, purchasing land, and living where they wanted within the region.

Nonetheless, following the 1967 Six-Day War, Israel finally entered those lands long forbidden to them by the British and later by Jordan. Though one British government after another went about denouncing Jewish settlement as "illegal," the reality of the situation was that it was Great Britain who was acting in an illegal manner by prohibiting Jews from these parts of the ancestral Jewish National Home originally promised to them.

Just Who Is a Palestinian?

While Britain mandated over the region, it was the Jews, not any Arab tribe, who were known as Palestinians, including those Jews who served in the British Army during the Second World War, while various Arab groups aligned themselves with Nazi Germany.

More often than not, it was British policy brought on by fits of anti-Semitism, and Arab oil that continually restricted Jewish immigration. It was the 1939 White Paper that all but put an end to the admission of Jews to Palestine. When Jews needed a helping hand the most, it was this White Paper that became the death knell for Jews fleeing to the Promised Land, from the threat of annihilation at the hands of Hitler's executioners.

Jews-who might have lived, developed the nearly empty lands of Palestine, and prospered-were instead murdered in the death camps that stretched out over Nazi occupied Europe. While the British, together with their Arab helpers, were closing the door to those Jews attempting to escape certain death in Europe, they were more than willing to permit massive illegal Arab immigration from Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and North Africa into the ancestral lands of the Jews.

A famous myth states that the various Arab tribes have long established themselves in Palestine. Then the Jews came and drove them out. This is of course patently false, as any knowledgeable historian will tell us.

History enlightens us to the fact that it was the assortment of Arab tribes who entered the region through illegal immigration, and it was they, who with violence, "displaced" the Jews. In fact, this Arab violence was used against the Jews in areas where they (the Jews) had long been established. For example, the Jewish presence in the city of Hebron goes back to Abraham, and there has been an Israelite/Jewish community there since Joshua, long before it was King David's capital.

In 1929, Arab rioters, with the passive consent of the British, killed or drove out virtually the entire Jewish population.

The world community stood by and did nothing. The U.N. itself, no friend to Israel and certainly no friend to any Jew, declared that the massive increase in Arab population was very recent; that any Arab who had lived in Palestine for two years and then left in 1948 qualifies as a "Palestinian refugee."

In the early 1920's, the British created the state of Trans-Jordan, which eventually seized much of Judea and Samaria (i.e., the West Bank), East Jerusalem, and the old city. They killed or drove out every Jew. And the world community stood by and did nothing.

As far as the British and the Arabs were concerned, all lands from where the Jews had been driven, making the land Judenrein (cleansed of Jews), would remain so forever.

It is interesting to note by contrast, that Israel, eventually allotted only 17 percent of Mandated Palestine, had to absorb a large and growing population of Arab citizens.

From Palestine Back to Israel-Again

By the time of the "third" Jewish nation-Israel, the Arab tribes of the region had still not yet discovered their ancient nation of Falastin. The U.N. offered them (the Arab tribes) half of Palestine in 1947-half!

And what did the Arabs do with this offer to a non-people? They violently rejected it. Soon, all too soon, six Arab nations swept down upon the only Jewish state in the region with the intent of driving every last Jew into the sea.

The Arab goal was the complete eradication of Jewry in that portion of the Middle East. And the stated goal of the Arab tribes in the area was the creation of the 22nd Arab state known as Falastin.The Arabs failed in their attempt to massacre the Jewish population of Israel.

The Arab tribes of the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) even forfeited any right to a nation of their own when their brethren in Trans-Jordan invaded the West Bank and East Jerusalem, occupied these territories, and killed or drove out all the Jews who had lived there since time immemorial.

The Jews were banned for life from traveling and praying before Jewish holy places in the region. In the meantime, another Arab nation, Egypt, succeeded in taking the Gaza Strip. Both Egypt and Jordan held onto conquered lands until 1967. In that same year, the Arab nations that surrounded Israel initiated another war of genocide.

The end result, however, was much like the first - the Arabs lost again in their bid to destroy the Jewish nation, and in consequence lost lands they had taken illegally in 1948.

In the nineteen-year span from 1948-1967, Jordan and Egypt never once, not once, offered to hand over Judea, Samaria, and the Gaza Strip to make up an independent state of Falastin. Once more, the so-called "Palestinians" never sought it. And not one nation in the entire world ever suggested it, much less demanded it. (added emphasis mine)

Since the end of the First World War, the Arabs of the Middle East and North Africa have been given independent states in 99.5 percent of the land they claimed. They are determined that the remaining 0.5 percent be developed into yet another Arab nation at the expense of the lone Jewish state. To that end, the Palestine Liberation Organization was set up in 1964 with the express purpose of destroying the State of Israel and driving out of the region all the Jews.

The sad truth today is that history has been thrown aside. Many nations, including the United States, have engineered media and public opinion to accept without question; without any serious analysis, the new myth of an Arab nation of Falastin whose territory is unlawfully occupied by the Jews.

Michael Bussio is a former teacher of history. He has worked for INR at the US Department of State in Washington D.C. and lived in Israel. Posted by Alan Peters at 12:11 PM Email This BlogThis! Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Google Buzz

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Even a leading member of the PLO said there was no such thing as a "Palestinian people."

“On March 31, 1977 the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. His statements were also later published in the Boston Herald and you’ll find them at various Internet sites as well. Here’s what he said:

‘The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

‘For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

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"It was not unusual to hear from travelers returning home from this area of the Middle East to assert that, "There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent [Valley of Jezreel]-not for 30 miles in either direction... "

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." ~ Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

An interesting exercise in logical gymnastics.

I would give it a "9" for its semantic clouding, misdirection, and use of Strawman Arguments and about -3 for honesty.

Take for example the attempt to define the term Palestinian out of existence.

While the etymology of the word might be interesting to a lexicographer it has no bearing on the core issues.

Take for example the attempt to deny the existence of the Palestinian people.

Was the region we call today "Palestine" vacant or populated at the time of the creation of the State of Israel by U.N. fiat?

The answer, the honest one, is that yes the region and land was inhabited. The existence of the Palestinian mandate, the British Colonial Government, farms, villages, homes, and their owners and inhabitants is a fact.

Now one can play semantic games and assert that there were no "Palestinian People" but call them what you will they existed, lived there, were living there at the time of partition, and their fathers and mothers had lived there, stretching backward in time for at least a couple of thousand years and likely much longer.

The entire article can be discounted and discarded as it is built upon a false assertion and thus a false premise.

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And again another set of false assertions:

"And what did the Arabs do with this offer to a non-people? They violently rejected it. Soon, all too soon, six Arab nations swept down upon the only Jewish state in the region with the intent of driving every last Jew into the sea.

The Arab goal was the complete eradication of Jewry in that portion of the Middle East. And the stated goal of the Arab tribes in the area was the creation of the 22nd Arab state known as Falastin.The Arabs failed in their attempt to massacre the Jewish population of Israel."

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David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" ~ Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." ~ Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, 'What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'"~ (Yitzhak Rabin, July 1948)

The Arab counter-attack came AFTER the nascent state of Israel embarked upon a campaign of ethnic cleansing to drive the existing Arab population from their homes. Massacres such as Dair Yassin so frightened the Arab Population that they fled for their lives. It was only later that the rationale that they had left voluntarily at the command of the six counter-attacking states was invented.

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#49. To: Original_Intent (#37)

I won't get into a pissing match about it. It is what it is and the article said what it said, including a senior member of the PLO who said there was no such thing as the "Palestinian people." If your assertion is that some people lived there who weren't Jews that is true but it is also true that there has been some remnant of Jews there for thousands of years.

I often wonder why people--and here I am just using the generic term for everyone, not just you--can so quickly and easily condemn a foreign government or a foreign people but rarely, if ever, talk about what the Europeans who came to what is now called America did to the original settlers (the "Indians"). Funny that. I believe it is true enough that we can much more easily see the fault(s) in others that we would deny in ourselves.

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#66. To: James Deffenbach (#49) (Edited)

I often wonder why people--and here I am just using the generic term for everyone, not just you--can so quickly and easily condemn a foreign government or a foreign people but rarely, if ever, talk about what the Europeans who came to what is now called America did to the original settlers (the "Indians").

The "Indians" genocided two of the first three small settler groups here on this vast continent and one left because of the hostility. The British worked hard to amplify Indian hostility against Americans for many years after the Revolutionary war. Ex: the War of 1812. They were paid millions of dollars for East coast properties and did not return the money but attacked Americans anyway. They then used the money to buy land in the areas of Kentucky and Tennessee. Sad history, but we were not created by the UN, Israel was.

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