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Title: Coverup theory alive at USS Liberty reunion
Source: USA Today
URL Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washin ... 07-06-07-liberty-meeting_N.htm
Published: Sep 25, 2010
Author: Oren Dorell
Post Date: 2010-09-25 01:03:12 by A K A Stone
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Comments: 76

McLEAN, Va. — Former crewmembers gathered near Washington this weekend to remember a controversial attack 40 years ago today when a U.S. spy ship was nearly sunk by an ally.

The Israeli naval and air bombardment of the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, during Israel's Six Day War against three Arab nations left 34 Americans dead.

Israel has always insisted the attack was a case of mistaken identity and 11 U.S. investigations over the years have reached the same conclusion.

Although Israel apologized and paid restitution to the families of servicemen killed and injured, some of the men on the ship that day have for decades been pushing the theory that the Israelis intended to murder every American on board and that the Pentagon is covering up a war crime.

"They knew exactly who we were," said Joel Lehman, 60, of Austin, Texas, who was a storekeeper for the Navy on the ship and wants a new investigation.

Researcher Michael Oren says the case is closed. He says no one has found evidence that the attack was anything other than an accident.

"I have never come across any evidence supporting it," said Oren, a senior fellow at the Adelson Institute for Strategic Studies at the Shalem Center in Jerusalem. "Why would Israel … attack a ship that belonged to its only ally?"

On Thursday several former crewmembers of the Liberty gathered at a hotel here to share stories and memories. Many believe the incident was not an accident and they want a new inquiry into the incident.

According to a State Department summary, the Liberty had been sent to the area by the National Security Agency to find out if Soviet personnel were operating with Egyptian forces. Messages sent to the Liberty instructing it to remain 100 miles offshore were never received.

The morning of the attack, several Israeli reconnaissance planes identified the ship as a friendly vessel in the war zone, 14 miles offshore. But later in the day, Israeli jets attacked, running six strafing runs.

Lehman and others say Israel wanted to sink the Liberty because it hoped to blame the attack on Egypt and pull the United States into the war, or that it was worried the spy ship would find out about Israel's plans to attack Syrian positions in the Golan Heights. Oren says both are false because Israel did not need U.S. help in the war and had already told the U.S. government of its plans to attack the Syrians.

A U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry completed 10 days after the attack concluded it was a case of mistaken identity. Ten subsequent inquiries by Congress, the CIA and the Pentagon found no evidence pointing to a deliberate attack.

Dale Larkins, 61, of Lexington, Neb., a seaman apprentice who had just gone below decks before the start of the attack, said Thursday that the atmosphere was "very relaxed" in the moments before the attack.

Larkins heard an explosion and the high-pitched sound of the ship's chemical attack alarm. When he reported to one of the ship's machine guns he found three crewmates shot to pieces. Next came a torpedo hit, "and the ship surged in the water," he said.

Glenn Oliphant, secretary for the Liberty Veterans Association — who lost his hearing in the attack — believes in a conspiracy. He says people who saw transcripts of communications between Israeli pilots and their air-traffic controllers say the Israelis knew the ship was American and ordered the attack.

Oren says a series of mishaps caused the attack. The Israelis lost track of the ship during a shift change at combat headquarters. When Israeli troops on a beach of the Sinai Peninsula thought they were being shelled from the sea, Israel ordered its navy to attack.

Israeli jets were called in when the Navy could not get to the ship. When the pilots realized they were attacking a U.S. ship they stopped, "but nobody told the (Israeli) navy," Oren says. Israeli torpedo boats arrived on the scene and were fired at by the Liberty. The Israelis fired torpedos. One struck the Liberty, killing several crewmen. An Israeli officer saw the U.S. flag, called off the attack and offered to help.

Mitchell Bard, a historian with the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise, which promotes cooperation between the USA and Israel, maintains a website about the incident, which includes NSA transcripts of communications between Israeli pilots and their controllers, which illustrate the confusion.

"The cockpit tapes say they (pilots) couldn't see the (ship's) flags. Then there was concern about its identity when they saw its hull number and the air-traffic controlers in Tel Aviv became concerned that it was an American ship," Bard says.

"As far I know these are (the complete transcripts)," Bard says. "But this is something that a conspiracy theorist would say is missing."

Oren agrees that a new inquiry should be held.

"I think that is probably not a bad idea," he said.

Meanwhile, the National Security Agency said this week it would release all documents relating to the attack.

"We're hoping those documents are what we're looking for," said Glenn Oliphant, 62, of White Bear, Minn

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#37. To: Pinguinite (#36)

Yes I did a little reading as you all requested. Like I said it isnt clear what is true. The govt said it was an accident and they have nothting to gain from lying about it. Israel had one ally us. It is really stupid to think that they would purposefully atttack their one ally,

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-25   8:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#0)

ATTACK ON USS LIBERTY - COMPLETE HISTORICAL DOCUMENTARY

ATTACK ON USS LIBERTY - THE COVERUP SERIES

SONS OF LIBERTY

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-09-25   8:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#37)

The govt said it was an accident and they have nothting to gain from lying about it. Israel had one ally us. It is really stupid to think that they would purposefully atttack their one ally,

You were making claims that crew members agreed the attack was an accident Stonie. You didn't read shit, this is just more lies.

Are you really this much of an idiot? The US would be full blown warring for Israel, instead of just COVERTLY warring for Israel if the Liberty sank and Egypt was blamed. Also, Israel had WAR CRIMES to hide.

This is what much of the evidence you are to lazy to look into suggests. Instead you simply LIE to put Israel first and the US last. Does the mantra, 'WAGE WAR BY DECECPTION' ring any bells?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-25   10:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#37)

The govt said it was an accident and they have nothting to gain from lying about it.

Even as USS Liberty's Heroic Captain Receives New Honor, Coverup of Israeli Attack on His Ship Continues

Even as USS Liberty's Heroic Captain Receives New Honor, Coverup of Israeli Attack on His Ship Continues

For providing heroic leadership under fire, despite severe personal wounds, Captain William L. McGonagle, U.S. Navy retired, is the well-deserved recipient of two of the highest honors our nation can bestow. But on both occasions the presentation received little public notice, and the U.S. Navy took care to omit important details of his heroism and the identity of the attacking military forces.

His heroism is exceptional, partly because it occurred when the USS Liberty, a virtually-unarmed intelligence ship that McGonagle commanded, came under deadly, sustained, deliberate fire from military forces of Israel, a nation with which the United States had maintained a close, cooperative relationship since the state came into being in 1948.

The assault occurred on June 8, 1967, in broad daylight, when the ship's markings and a large American flag rippling in the breeze clearly identified the Liberty as American. Israeli fighter planes, in more than 30 sorties, sprayed the vessel with deadly rocket and machine-gun fire and napalm. A torpedo from Israeli gunboats ripped huge holes in its hull. When rubber life- rafts were lowered into the water as a preparation should the abandon-ship order be given, the torpedo boats shot them to pieces.

In the wake of the assault, 34 U.S. crewmen were dead and 171, including Captain McGonagle, were injured -- some critically.

Despite wounds and heavy bleeding, he stayed on the badly-damaged bridge throughout the assault and for 17 hours thereafter, inspiring the damage- and fire-control efforts that miraculously kept the ship afloat.

Obviously more concerned about placating Israel and its U.S. supporters than helping the Liberty and its crew, then-Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara prohibited a nearby U.S. aircraft carrier from sending fighters to defend the beleaguered ship. The next day President Lyndon B. Johnson accepted the specious Israeli claim that the assault was a case of mistaken identity. But then-Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Admiral Thomas Moorer, who was soon to be chief of naval operations, several prominent diplomats and all survivors of the Liberty have declared it deliberate.

For his heroism, Captain McGonagle a year later received the nation's highest award, the Congressional Medal of Honor.

The citation that accompanied the medal gave him a well deserved salute: "[McGonagle] with full knowledge of the seriousness of his wounds, subordinated his own welfare to the safety and survival of his command.... Despite continuous exposure to fire, he maneuvered his ship, directed its defense, supervised the control of flooding and fire, and saw to the care of the casualties.... He [later] refused much-needed medical attention until convinced that the seriously wounded among his crew had been treated...."

The citation did not mention that the deadly assault was carried out by Israeli military forces, and, unbelievably, the medal was awarded only after U.S. officials received assurances that the Israeli government had no objections.

Breaking with time-honored tradition, the president of the United States took no personal part in the presentation ceremony. He had it moved away from the White House-and the news media. While President Johnson spent the day in the White House, the medal was given to McGonagle by the Navy secretary in an unpublicized ceremony at the obscure Washington Navy Yard.

Admiral Thomas Moorer, who had become chief of naval operations a few months earlier, had protested without success over the denigrating arrangements, urging that the medal be presented in the traditional manner. He later said, "The way they did things, I'm surprised they didn't just hand it to him under the 14th Street Bridge."

At no point in the ceremony were assaulting forces identified as Israeli.

Twenty-nine years later, a second notable honor -- this one unprecedented -- came to Captain McGonagle. On Dec. 5, 1997, a new naval building in Chesapeake, Virginia, was formally dedicated as the Captain William L. McGonagle Branch Medical/ Dental Clinic. It is believed to be the first time a U.S. naval building has been named in honor of a living sailor.

HONORING THE ENTIRE CREW

The dedication at Chesapeake was impressive and deeply appreciated by the 20 survivors of the Liberty who attended. They were touched when McGonagle, suffering from cancer, pulled himself from a wheelchair and spoke from the podium. He said the building should be considered an expression of honor to the entire crew, not just to himself.

In a doleful echo of the Medal of Honor ceremony years earlier, Israeli military forces were not mentioned in the printed program of the day or by any of the six naval officers who spoke.

James M. Ennes, Jr., who served as deck officer during the assault and later wrote the best-selling book Assault on the Liberty,(*) learned in conversation before and after the dedication that many of the people attending already knew the full story of Israel's perfidy or had learned it from reading Ennes' book.

Captain Sharon Peyronel, commanding officer of the new facility, sought out Ennes and secured his autograph in her copy that she had read 18 years earlier.

Why the assault on the Liberty? Earlier in the week, Israel had defeated Egyptian and Jordanian forces, taking control of the Sinai desert and all of Palestine. The day after assaulting the American intelligence ship, Israel invaded Syria and took control of the Golan Heights. All evidence points to a callous decision by Israel's high command to destroy the Liberty and its crew in order to keep U.S. officials from learning Israel's plans and attempting to block the invasion.

Why the silence about Israel? It is the continuation of a shameful coverup ordered by the Johnson administration just days after the assault. Crew members were ordered not to answer questions, and Congress has cooperated in the coverup. The award to McGonagle was hidden from public view. Even tombstones were affected. Six of the crewmen who died were buried at Arlington National Cemetery, with a marker that originally read, "Died in the Eastern Mediterranean." No mention of the ship, the circumstances, or Israel. The marker was later improved slightly to read, "Killed USS Liberty." Still no mention of Israel.

All efforts to secure congressional hearings have been futile. I recall with sadness an interview I had with Charles Bennett, a war veteran himself and a highly respected member of Congress. I had hopes he would agree to have the Seapower Subcommittee he chaired hold hearings. Many questions remained unanswered, and, I argued, survivors of the Liberty deserved to have their stories heard.

The timing seemed perfect. He had announced that he would not seek re- election, and he therefore need not worry about the reaction of his pro-Israel constituents or his colleagues on the committee. He was free, or so it seemed to me, for statesmanlike leadership.

Instead, when I tried to make my case, Bennett was full of fire. He grabbed his ever-present cane and stood up. "I don't want to do it. All the hearings would do is make some of my constituents feel bad."

It was a candid reaction, silently shared by hundreds of others on Capitol Hill and in the executive branch. Like Bennett, they have been more determined to maintain good relations with pro-Israel constituencies than to make amends with unsung naval heroes by according them a day or two of hearings on the public record.

Although I did not attend the ceremony at Chesapeake, I am sure the majority of those present, including all who spoke, considered the event a powerful although silent tribute to brave men under lethal fire and an equally powerful although unexpressed rebuke to the State of Israel.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-09-25   11:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#1)

You guys pushing this conspiracy theory need some help.

Fuck you, traitor.

“Let’s not forget that the bankers are the next-door neighbours of the politicians. Most people can see the picture: the bankers grease the politicians’ palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest. It’s essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims.”

Turtle  posted on  2010-09-25   11:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Oren says

Oren, like you , is an Israeli firster who ignores the unmarked plaines, ignores the testimony of the Captain and crew, ignores the machine gunning of life boats, ignores the 30 foot American flag flapping in the wind, ignores the fact that Israel previously identified the Liberty and knew exactly where she was at, ignores the court marshall threats, ignores the refusal of the US gov. to speak on this issue, ignores the Israeli pilot who refused to gun down an Amercian ship.

Wow.......this was the best planned "accident" in history.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-25   11:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: abraxas (#39)

obviously, we have among us and at high levels of leadership many people who have no concept of loyalty to our nation, no awareness of our national interest even. no loyalty at all to our citizens who volunteer to serve in the armed forces.

I assure you that 90% of americans would rather that jet-fighters would have been scrambled immediately and destroyed any plane or jet attacking the Liberty. It would've been done exactly like that had LBJ not intervened. and in our country LBJ was never embarassed over this. it is considered a bad thing to even speak about it.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-09-25   11:34:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Red Jones (#43)

ASSOCIATED PRESS

10/22/03: (Toronto Star) WASHINGTON — A former navy lawyer who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former president Lyndon Johnson and his defence secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.

In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired captain Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

Boston was senior legal counsel to the navy's original 1967 review of the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for years because he's a military man, and "when orders come, I follow them."

He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the publication of a recent book, The Liberty Incident, which concluded the attack was unintentional.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-25   11:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Red Jones (#43)

obviously, we have among us and at high levels of leadership many people who have no concept of loyalty to our nation, no awareness of our national interest even. no loyalty at all to our citizens who volunteer to serve in the armed forces.

Says the clown who voted for Obama. Talking about stupid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-25   13:22:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

Should we go back 50 years and declare war on Israel. All those involved aren't in power anymore they are all dead.

Do you support slave reparations?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-25   13:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#37) (Edited)

Yes..Israel has one ally the US. The US IS the ally of Israel Israel IS NOT the ally of the US.

Israel's has shown over the decades that it does not value the US except as an idiot goy nation it can manipulate. Either the USS Liberty attack was a deliberate Black Flag operation designed to pull the US into war with Israel's enemies(imagine that) or, after 5 hours of surveillance and flyovers the magnificent Israeli's were not able/too stupid to identify an American ship and they tried to blow it out of the water by mistake. Which scenario is most believable? Do not forget the Israeli's jammed US Navy specific radio frequencies, and they fired a missle at a US surveillance flight in the same region. US monitors in Lebannon and Cyprus overheard Israeli pilots questioning their orders to sink a US vessel.

Israel is not an ally:

Remember the Lavon Affair.
Remember the failure to warn about the Beirut Marine barracks bombing.
Remember the Jonathon Pollard spy case( nearly 200 CIA operatives died)
Remember the gift that never stopped giving-Israeli Douglas Feith
Remember the Larry Franklin/AIPAC spy fiasco
Remember the foreign nation that pulls the foreign policy strings of our Senate and our Congress. A foreign entity so powerful none dare to oppose it whether Congressman, Senator, or PRESIDENT.
REMEMBER THE USS LIBERTY

octavia  posted on  2010-09-25   16:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: octavia, 4 (#47)

Remember that LBJ called back the air support in the hope that the Liberty would be sent to the bottom of the ocean.

Lod  posted on  2010-09-25   17:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Lod (#48)

Yes, LBJ betrayed the men of the USS Liberty to serve Israel.

octavia  posted on  2010-09-25   17:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: octavia, lod, AKA Stone (#49)

Yes, LBJ betrayed the men of the USS Liberty to serve Israel.

Sounds like LBJ and Stone have a lot in common.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-09-25   17:22:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: A K A Stone (#1)

The honorable thing to do.

The honorable thing to do would be to wipe them bastards out for attacking our ship and doing 9/11.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-09-25   18:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#6)

According to the Bible the Palis are occupying Israel proper.

According to the bible, Jews are Satan's children.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-09-25   18:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: octavia (#47)

I can spot second accounts a mile away. I outed one yesterday too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-25   18:09:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: octavia (#47)

Our govt investigated it. They found nothing credible. You are a conspiracy theorist that is using a second account. What are your other screen names. Come on you are to obvious.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-25   18:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: A K A Stone (#53)

I can spot second accounts a mile away. I outed one yesterday too.

good morning little pussy freak! :)

"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-09-25   18:47:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone (#54)

The israelis took 13 years to pay a mere $12 million to the survivors of the USS Liberty, demonstrating their lack of remorse. They only paid to stop further lawsuits. The remaining USS Liberty crewmen know exactly what happened that day, and they uniformly state israel knew it was a US ship.

israel does not know how to tell the truth and neither do you. israel does not know how to be an ally of any other nation, they only know how to lie, murder, destroy, enslave, and harvest organs. israel has lost it soul, lost its way, and is rapidly losing its friends.

REMEMBER the USS LIBERTY

octavia  posted on  2010-09-25   18:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: octavia (#56) (Edited)

THE YARDBIRDS - "Evil Hearted You"

"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-09-25   18:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone (#53)

I can spot second accounts a mile away. I outed one yesterday too

paranoid? i can tell you something,octavia is my wife and i love her dearly.she is not a liar,and she has but 1 account here.

paddlefeet  posted on  2010-09-25   20:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#54)

you know, you've been wrong every time you've accused a 4um member of having more than one screen name and when i've corrected you, you persist with the same accusations. i have told you before that octavia has only this account. please stop badgering her.

christine  posted on  2010-09-25   20:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#53)

I can spot second accounts a mile away.

Don't you have free speech to suppress over at your own sandbox? Some posters to put on limited posting status for daring to stand up to your idiocy? Some Nazi style moderation to make you feel like you are relevant on a daily basis? Some article titles to alter? Some articles you disagree with to delete?

4um doesn't need you spotting anything around here.......well, maybe just the exit.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-25   20:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: christine (#59)

if someone is surfing by proxy it would be impossible for you to know. You can't possibly know.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-25   20:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: abraxas (#60)

It is my opinion that you are nuts.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-25   20:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: abraxas (#60)

I always manage to get aka's goat, because he advertises where he ties that goat so foolishly. A fool and his goat are soon parted. Goat cheese anyone? Goat milk?

octavia  posted on  2010-09-25   20:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: octavia (#63)

No... I want goat ice cream.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-25   20:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#62)

It is my opinion that

What makes you think that I care what your opinion is, Stonie? I would be hard pressed to think of something less significant that your opinion about anything. Most of what you say is based little or no knowledge on the topics you think you need to bloviate about.

Opinions are like buttholes. Everyone has one, most of them stink, and no one wants to hear yours. : P

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-25   21:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#62) (Edited)

It is my opinion that you are nuts.

I wish I was a kike, I'd make you trip over your loose socks

"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-09-25   21:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: A K A Stone (#64)

I want goat ice cream

one of my trips to jamaica we delighted in a pot of goat head soup,quite tasty.if one loses his goat check a jamaican pot.

paddlefeet  posted on  2010-09-25   21:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: abraxas (#65)

What makes you think that I care what your opinion is,

Because I posted a little article and you responded about 10 times to it wondering what I thought about various videos and stuff.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-25   21:15:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: A K A Stone (#68)

You have a fan club here Stone. Obviously, you are thought of as an oddity ... or perhaps a freak of nature.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-25   21:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#68)

Because I posted a little article and you responded

I tried to educate you on a topic you are woefully ignorant about....... Are you familiar with the concept of a forum and how that works? People DISCUSS and share knowledge. Of course, you have no knowledge to share so this basic principle is difficult for you to grasp.

That doesn't mean I care about your opinions, Stonie. You need to put your ego in check. lol

BTW, I never asked what you thought about anything. I simply corrected your erroneous thoughts multiple times. Where is the information to back up your claims that Liberty survivors buy the "accident" BS? We both no there isn't one. You were simply telling lies.......

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-25   21:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: christine, Octavia, A K A Swine, A K A Quisling, A K A Traitor, A K A Liar, A K A Defective, A K A Stone, all (#59)

i have told you before that octavia has only this account. please stop badgering her.

For real! He's giving Badgers a bad name.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-25   21:27:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: A K A Stone, abraxas, Octavia, all (#62)

It is my opinion that you are nuts.

Given that your opinion is less than worthless and that you are a lunatic, a quisling, and treasonous swine I would take that as an endorsement of her.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-25   21:34:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone (#61)

i do know in this case. worry about it on your website, mmmkay?

christine  posted on  2010-09-25   21:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Original_Intent, A K A Stone (#72)

lol.....I actually responded to his disinformation on a public forum, so that MUST mean that I care.

Stonie suffers from delusions of mattering.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-25   21:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: abraxas, A K A Swine, A K A Traitor, A K A Quisling, A K A Benedict Arnold, A K A Slime, A K A Stone, all (#74)

Stonie suffers from delusions of mattering.

Among many others.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-25   21:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: A K A Stone (#37)

A K A Stein A K A Stone

46;"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end. "

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2010-09-27   12:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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