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Title: THE TIME HAS ARRIVED: IS REBELLION AT HAND?
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/Evensen/greg157.htm
Published: Sep 29, 2010
Author: Greg Evensen
Post Date: 2010-09-29 17:06:50 by christine
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Views: 2204
Comments: 125

The countdown clock and the last chance for “The Founder’s Legacy” of patriotic Americans willing to lay it all on the line for a new Republic, has hit 0:00. Rebellion is no longer an option, a late night “what if” discussion around a bottle of good wine and snacks. It is now the mandated response of oath keeping citizens and Constitutional defending men and women who have heard Paul Revere in 2010. That “watchman,” who made the most famous call to prepare for rebellion in the history of the world, has come again, through all of us who have been riding across our land for several years and warned of the arrival of this most critical moment. It did not materialize lightly or without a desperate realization that it was on the way, and when it did appear at the horizon, life has not and will not ever be the same. Whether you accept this assessment or not, you will be involved in its reality, prepared or not, on board with the need to reclaim this country for freedom’s sake or not, courageous enough to muster with the band of the free and brave or not, you WILL still be counted among those who stood and fought with your countrymen, or posterity will judge you as cowards unworthy to live free.

If you need a “Manifesto” to justify your opposition to “traitors” in communistic, statist Washington D.C., and a supremely evil Presidential cabal headed by Obama, then here is one.

Health Care is now “law of the land” and an affront to the Constitution in every word. That law alone is worthy of open rebellion. The REAL ID Act and its “Nazi like” classifications of who you are and what you will be allowed to do is just the beginning. ANY of the federal agencies that are obvious rights breakers (FBI, IRS, BATFE, CIA, NSA, DHS, FEMA, USDA, FDA, CDC, etc.) and thousands of bureaucrats who owe their souls to a democracy of devils, head the list of particulars that define our corrupted rulers.

Control through the police state is the hallmark of tyranny throughout history. America in 2010 is no different. Specifically, the enemies list begins with the USDA, for the chipping of, and headcount of, every domestic animal in the nation. For what purpose have they done this? It is for control and the furtherance of that police state to be steered by the Agricultural Industry’s Czar in Washington. The “Defense of Farmers” rebellion could be this battle cry.

The FDA is next and covets complete control of all pharmaceuticals and natural remedies to corner not only the financial aspect of their war on American’s health freedoms, but so that they can also prohibit people from charting their own health destiny when it comes to how they will live and “treat” themselves against disease. For a huge profit, people are forced into taking poisonous vaccinations more deadly than the disease. This incursion into people’s lives and criminalizing health choices is alone worthy of rebellion.

S510, the regulation of gardening and the trade of vegetables/fruits, strikes at the heart of a free nation and a citizen’s right to provide sustenance for themselves and others should be completely protected against intrusion by government at any level. We had a “Whiskey Rebellion,” we now need a “Tomato Rebellion” as well.

The list unfortunately goes on and on………. Domestic gun control advocates who are both ignorant and evil, have joined the United Nations, Hillary Clinton, the US State Department, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, George Soros, Charles Shumer, Joe Biden, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, ad nauseum, in a leftist utopian’s dream state of a no firearms society. By confiscating the last means of the people to defend one’s self and to simultaneously protect the criminal crime syndicate in Washington, the war lords on the Potomac hope to defang the Constitutionalists back home. This single issue is the heart and soul of the rebellion that is at hand.

Global taxes to be assessed against all Americans to underwrite the world governance structure when completed and enacted, is another definition of the reason why people rebel.

Internet and communications control, manipulation of the food supply, worthless crops grown with Genetically Modified seeds, the ongoing “legalized” robbery of the American nation by the Federal Reserve and the banking monopoly, all call for a move by the patriots of this land to destroy the beast and reclaim our sovereign right to be free from control and exchange righteous goods and services with a gold and silver system totally free of any kind of central bank—EVER!

Unconstitutional legislation at all levels as an ongoing way of doing governmental business backed by courts and “whore judges” needs a “governmental extinction level event” of its own by the same patriots who have declared open rebellion on every aspect of abusive, wanton, destabilizing bureaucratic dictatorship and the police state rules that govern it.

S1619 the “Livable Communities Act” which is the UN Agenda 21 sustainable living dictatorship that rules energy, zoning and housing using an environmental program offered by insanely corrupted Sen. Christopher Dodd, (D) Ct. He, along with sodomite Barney (rent men from my apartment fame) Frank, brought us the Freddie Mac & Fannie May economy busting debacle, has S1619 up for consideration at this moment. Corruption on this scale, and greed with no end by sworn members of Congress, is worth a rebel cause. Add to this list “victims of racial persecution” Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel, and you have a Hall of Shame that needs to be burned to the ground.

The ultimate goal of S1619 is to force you into police state controllable mega-cities and return all rural and forested lands to the wild equals environmentalism disguised as social engineering run amuck.

A surveillance society where tens of thousands of intersections, roadways, airports, rail and bus depots, parking lots, city streets, apartment complexes, schools, stadiums and shopping malls among thousands of other “public” places are under computer program “ identify and apprehend” software, have Nazi control freaks in Washington drunk with power. Oh, and buy the way, you can add to that planes, drones and government X-ray vans capable of locating weapons, drugs or supposedly, illegals in your vehicle while riding down the road as sentinels against “terrorists and patriots.” Feel better? Well, add these horrors to the list, and that mandates patriot rebellion vans to run the government beasts out of town.

The real time consideration by Congress of placing your retirements, 401s, IRA accounts and any other personally held financial instruments under governmental control and confiscation is another justification to grab the reins of this runaway, grind it to a halt, and send the diseased horses to the dog food factory.

Have these examples among thousands, given you a picture of how far we have moved toward a true governmental police state? Are these few enough to convince you that it is NOW time to rebel?

By definition, to rebel is to say no emphatically and not budge from that position. (Revolution, by definition, is sudden or violent change). You draw the line “after a long train of abuses” and tell the government at all levels NO. No more dictatorship, no more laws, rules or regulations. Not one inch more. And if you try, then we move from rebellion to outright insurrection or revolution as outlined in our Declaration of Independence. You know, the little letter sent to King George on July 4, 1776.

This was the signed statement by men brave enough to stop the British governmental abuses and begin an armed confrontation and an all out battle to establish a free nation. Rebellion draws the final line. Insurrection, if required, takes them out and sets up new guards protecting freedom with the use of armed force by the citizens themselves. Rebellion is both verbal and actionable by withholding taxes, resistance in carrying out unconstitutional laws, defying governmental edicts, and grinding to a halt “illegal business as usual” by authorities who don’t give a damn what you think or desire. To not rebel at this point is to say in effect, I agree and support what government is doing in its present form and all of the illegal agendas that government is creating. The same is true of the court system. It is corrupt beyond repair. People must either disengage from the court system or disobey judges who restrict the jury’s deliberational freedom and then acquit the accused based on a court’s application of unconstitutional law or edicts. Freedom by acquittal and nullification of bad law itself is a patriot’s greatest weapon and responsibility. It is mostly unused because juries refuse to take the reins of power from the judge in the jury room and effect the final say as is their right and obligation to a free society.

The threshold question is this: If you are forced to pay a levy (taxes) to a corrupted government, are you obeying Romans 13? That Scriptural invective refers clearly to obeying a moral and upright government. God would not have you obey an unlawful government in which you were complicit and guilty of financing the sin and moral destruction of that nation—let alone in a state that sponsors abortion and constant war. Do not fall for that one. Is it not bondage—involuntary servitude—in fact slavery if you are forced to support and “pay” for an immoral government? Ask yourself the same question in reverse. Explain to everyone’s satisfaction how under these conditions, you are NOT a slave by anyone’s definition, if you are forced to support and contribute extortion money to make it happen.

If all the other descriptions in this essay are true, or you recognize and accept that they exist as given, then how can you not be at rebellion’s front door this very moment? Don’t complain that I am causing a problem where none exists. Don’t look for any excuse to avoid the painfully obvious conditions under which you, your family, and all other citizens in this nation find themselves confronting. You have been conditioned to accept each of these rebellion worthy situations as “normal” and part of an evolving social activist “democracy.” Therefore, under that justification, a little change can be expected and, not to worry, it is all for your greater good and the world’s expectation of compliant, guilt ridden, historically ignorant, Americans anyway. The Supremely stupid Supreme Court is now siding more and more with world opinion as to the legality of American’s actions rather than the dictates of our own Constitution. Other courts are giving credence to the demands of Muslim hate filled Quran based Sharia law. Rebel, rebel, REBEL!

In a nutshell, that is why we are where we are right now. We have been worn slick by flim flam men and women of the worst kind. Good is evil and evil is good. The “looking glass world” of Alice and the rabbit has taken us straight to the Queen of Hearts and he is the President and his evil court.

When precious friends and long contributing watchmen like Steve Quayle, Hawk Talon, Chuck Baldwin, and other warriors in the trenches pull up the tent and trek to the mountains, “then look up, for your redemption draweth nigh.” God speed and protect these wise men and their families.

I pray the same for you and your families.

Liz and I are no longer prepping. Our job is done. We no longer beg family and others to listen and prepare. We will, for a while, continue to train groups across the country and at our home. However; generally speaking, the last cries from the wall by this “Watchman” have been sounded. My radio show, “Voices from the Heartland” is on each Sunday from 2-3pm CDT on the Republic Broadcasting Network (rbn.org) and we are giving our final efforts to get people on board before it’s too late.

Our very popular Castle Defense I-II video series and Castle Defense III, the 400 page manual for personal training, have been reduced in price one last time to absolute cost (www.theheartlandusa.com) so you may get yours if you wish. We will faze them out when current stocks are gone. We will do no more. It is time to face down the enemy and begin our rebellion. The direction of this battle will be determined by how the police state responds to a final position of no more, no way. From that point forward, we will follow the example of our nation’s founders and the leading of God’s Holy Spirit. End of story.

We have held steady long enough……………...

© 2010 Greg Evensen - All Rights Reserved

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#1. To: christine (#0)

IS REBELLION AT HAND?

Past due.

When the citizens fear the government and its minions, the time for rebellion is past due.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   17:16:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine, 4 (#0)

Liz and I are no longer prepping. Our job is done. We no longer beg family and others to listen and prepare

Amen. A good and timely piece. To anyone who hasn't listened to Greg, he's excellent. Why now? God only knows but I believe every word.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-09-29   17:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

Not yet. People can still buy food and gas after a fashion.

Just wait until after the elections. I expect things to get worse on the economics front. And I expect a plague.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2010-09-29   17:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Horse (#3)

Not yet. People can still buy food and gas after a fashion.

Perhaps.

The longer the government can stall off a rebellion the better their chance of survival.

Of course, the longer a rebellion is delayed, the bloodier will be the outcome.

Working within the system is futile and exactly what the ruling elite desire. They do FEAR the lone wolf and open rebellion.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   17:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine, All (#0)

"Definition of REBELLION

1 : opposition to one in authority or dominance 2 a : open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government

b : an instance of such defiance or resistance

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   17:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

usually unsuccessful defiance of

Dictionaries are written by - dicks. Why do you think they call it a dictionary??

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-09-29   17:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#0)

I think if George Washington were alive today he would want to form an army and rebel. but he would not do it. because power is too concentrated today. Things have changed. It is no longer do-able to rebel. In 1775 they could just put out the word and 30,000 patriots would show up to fight the english. and we overwhelmed them with numbers. There were no negative consequences for these 30,000 who showed up. They didn't lose their jobs, their farms, go to jail. Today is different. The government is so powerful. They have riot police at protests and look what they do to the protesters.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-09-29   18:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: randge (#6)

Dictionaries are written by - dicks. Why do you think they call it a dictionary??

Are not. You stop spreading biased rumors. hehehehehehehehe

I do know most rebellions are repressed, that from history, so that was my starting point.

Even George Washington could not tolerate a rebellion, so we have a long history of repression the greatest being the Uncivil War.

I hope to live long enough to see a good rebellion.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   18:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: randge (#6)

"A LAWYER WITH A BRIEFCASE CAN STEAL MORE THAN A THOUSAND MEN WITH GUNS. "

The US has 5 per cent of the worlds population and 66 per cent of the worlds liars (LAWYERS).

No dictionary involved.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   18:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#0) (Edited)

It's time, but Americans Will Not rebel. They'll take it up the arse like the Chinese did in the late 1940's. We've been conditioned ever since Abe Lincoln the Tyrant established his centralized federal government that We, The People, can go to hell, and he slaughtered over 600,000 Americans just to make that point. Does anybody think that FedGov won't do it again??

I'll wager 1,200,000 dead Americans that Congress will engage in an orgy of bloody slaughter to keep their power.

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-09-29   18:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: X-15, 4 (#10)

I don't know what spark it will take to light-off this tinder-box that we live in.

Millions of us are armed to the teeth, but how can we all act in concert?

Otherwise, they just take down one lone nut-case at a time.

What's missing here?

Lod  posted on  2010-09-29   18:44:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Horse (#3)

Not yet. People can still buy food and gas after a fashion.

Agree.

Nothing will change until people get hungry. As long as they can buy pizza, booze, drugs and cable TV, the "people" will take whatever is dished out.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   18:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lod (#11)

Millions of us are armed to the teeth, but how can we all act in concert?

Any insurrection that requires armed conflict is doomed to fail IMO. We win the revolution by withdrawing our consent and starving the beast. The govt. can handle violent opposition. It's what they do best. They can't survive being ignored.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   18:50:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: duckhunter (#13)

We win the revolution by withdrawing our consent and starving the beast.

Please tell me how this is done.

Do go into detail; I'm slow.

Thanks.

Lod  posted on  2010-09-29   18:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Lod (#11)

What's missing here?

Timing. It's all in the timing. Our 1st revolution didn't start over nothing. It built up over time. It will happen when it happens, and not on our personal timetables, imho.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-09-29   18:58:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#9)

And the dictionary don't tell you there are more lawyers in DC alone than there are in the entire nation of Japan.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-09-29   19:03:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: duckhunter (#12)

hey, duck. good to see you again.

christine  posted on  2010-09-29   19:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Lod (#14)

Many smarter people than myself have written extensively on the subject.

The first essay I read that really piqued my interest was "Ending Tyranny Without Violence" by Murray Rothbard. (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard78.html).

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   19:04:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Red Jones (#7)

Red, i think you're correct in your assessment, tho i wish that you weren't. still, Greg Evensen is a gifted exhorter.

christine  posted on  2010-09-29   19:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#17)

Thank you kindly. It's good to be back.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   19:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: X-15 (#10)

It's time, but Americans Will Not rebel

Agreed.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   19:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Red Jones (#7) (Edited)

It is much more difficult to throw off a domestic tyrant than a foreign occupier. Entirely different tactics and strategies must be employed.

I'd counsel patience. Things are not near bad enough yet. Our masters have delusions of grandeur. Like all tyrants, they will make mistakes. Big mistakes. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes when the bill comes due.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-09-29   19:09:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: PSUSA (#15)

The threshold for the first American Revolution was much lower than it is today. 230 years ago, if the govt. took 10% of the wealth of the population, people starved. Our standard of living has improved so much since then that the govt. can steal lots more of our wealth and people can still maintain the basics of life. Add the massive drugging effect of TV and you can milk the population much easier now than you could then.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   19:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Red Jones, is a fucking coward (#7) (Edited)

There were no negative consequences for these 30,000 who showed up. They didn't lose their jobs, their farms, go to jail.

They just lost their lives. That is a "negative consequence", you stupid fuck. We didnt "overwhelm them with numbers". They got their asses kicked by the brits, you fucking moron. It took a lot of time and a lot of blood shed before victory.

Then hand over your firearms now. Surrender now. Avoid the rush. go ahead you fucking coward. Surrender.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-09-29   19:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Lod (#11)

What's missing here?

A proportionately larger group (larger than the original signers of the Declaration of Independence from the 13 colonies) of MEN who are willing to put their lives and fortunes on the line. MEN who can effectively communicate and deliver speeches that lay out the argument for cleaning out D.C. and putting in moral, decent MEN to lead this country in the manner the Founding Fathers intended. I'm not seeing those kind of MEN standing up to FedGov and saying "No More!!".

(Sorry ladies, but it's time for the MEN to lead and the women to hold down the homefront)

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-09-29   19:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: duckhunter (#23)

The threshold for the first American Revolution was much lower than it is today.

Agreed, and for the reasons you state.

But there is a threshold. Don't forget that.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-09-29   19:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: duckhunter (#23)

Our standard of living has improved so much since then that the govt. can steal lots more of our wealth and people can still maintain the basics of life. Add the massive drugging effect of TV and you can milk the population much easier now than you could then.

Good point.

We frogs remain in the pot.

Best we jump while we can, or surely we'll be boiled alive.

Lod  posted on  2010-09-29   19:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: randge (#22)

Like all tyrants, they will make mistakes. Big mistakes

Since advent of 9/11 and Bushski, the government has been very methodical, very determined to tighten the noose around our necks. They have not wavered nor faltered.

All of this with the blessings of the majority, all in the name of security..

For the sake of discussion, lets say the Constitution is suspended, the elected "government dismissed", is it possible then for revolution????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   19:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#28)

For the sake of discussion, lets say the Constitution is suspended, the elected "government dismissed", is it possible then for revolution????

If that in itself doesn't define a "revolution", I don't know what does.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   19:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: PSUSA (#26)

But there is a threshold. Don't forget that.

I agree, it's there.

When the govt. checks start bouncing (either directly or by a massive reduction in purchasing power) you will know the time is drawing near.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   19:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#28)

Hitler and Bonaparte were very methodical also.

They ran afoul of the internal contradictions in the systems that they propagated.

Their thirst for war was their immediate undoing.

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves. Thank you. - Roman Moroni

randge  posted on  2010-09-29   19:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Lod (#27)

Best we jump while we can, or surely we'll be boiled alive.

The fire under the pot is fueled by debt and debasement of the currency. When that burns up, the pot will cool. The question is, will that happen before the frog is fully cooked.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   19:26:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: duckhunter (#29)

If that in itself doesn't define a "revolution", I don't know what does.

By strict definition, you are correct. However such a scenario by members of the government, elected or not, would be more of a coup. Such as if brought by the military.

A revolution is not pure if any portion of the existing government is left standing and or in charge.

Lincoln, in 1848, said it was a peoples duty to remove any government that no longer served the people.

Of course, he whistled a different tune when he was put in charge. Repression was the method of his liking, but he paid for his deeds.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   19:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: duckhunter (#30)

When the govt. checks start bouncing (either directly or by a massive reduction in purchasing power) you will know the time is drawing near.

Exactly. And this is why I don't worry about it.

Their actions are not sustainable, any more than a ponzi scheme is sustainable. They always crash.

Right now, imo they are scrambling to keep the sinking ship afloat. No one knows when it will sink, but it will sink.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-09-29   19:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: christine (#0)

Excellent article.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-09-29   19:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Red Jones (#7)

In 1775 they could just put out the word and 30,000 patriots would show up to fight the english. and we overwhelmed them with numbers. There were no negative consequences for these 30,000 who showed up.

So the Boston Massacre, that was what, lots of rebels who were bulletproof hacking down British soldiers and laughing with impunity?

The government is always "too powerful" to those who won't ever consider a real fight. That was, is and shall always be the way out of the man with a yellow streak.

Powerful schmowerful. We outgun them 80 to 1, most of our military is deployed overseas and WE make all of their tools (and use most of them ourselves). Most of us are trained former military men.

Nah, no such thing as too powerful, not in these circumstances. If anything, they should be the ones staying awake at night scared shitless, not us.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-09-29   19:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: christine (#0)

I just rolled a doob...
lighting it...
lord...I'm free!

"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-09-29   19:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: SonOfLiberty (#36)

Powerful schmowerful. We outgun them 80 to 1, most of our military is deployed overseas and WE make all of their tools

I almost got hit three times today for pointing out the vulnerability of the back of the knee in upstanding citizens.

"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-09-29   19:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Lod (#11)

I don't know what spark it will take to light-off this tinder-box that we live in.

This is the key.

Anger, frustration, bitterness, all coupled with the burning desire to kill the enemies who are slowly enslaving us. Some of these elements are in motion as we type. To those who haven't, like the article says it's time to lay in your food & lead.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-09-29   19:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Dakmar (#37)

Is it 4:20 already? lol

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-09-29   19:55:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: randge (#22)

I'd counsel patience. Things are not near bad enough yet. Our masters have delusions of grandeur. Like all tyrants, they will make mistakes. Big mistakes. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes when the bill comes due.

IMO, you'll know the time is near when political assassinations begin.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-09-29   19:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: abraxas (#40)

My time ain't our time ain't their time O no! :)

"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-09-29   20:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#41)

IMO, you'll know the time is near when political assassinations begin.

Agreed.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   20:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: SonOfLiberty (#36)

Nah, no such thing as too powerful, not in these circumstances. If anything, they should be the ones staying awake at night scared shitless, not us.

Right, especially if we use the government's own playbook against them.

When the goob entrapped Randy Weaver they didn't just pick him up, they assassinated his children, and wife.

When the goob got their panties in a twist over David Koresh legally buying a Barrett Light 50, they didn't arrest him during one of his trips to town, they burned the women and children alive.

Going head-to-head with the government/police state is suicide, you target their families. Politicians have children that become ever more virulent politicians. Ron/Rand Paul is a good example. Rand Paul is a PC-infected, rabid zioNutter, very much unlike his father.

Cops have children who become cops, or worse yet, politicians. Nits make lice. Stop it at the source and people will think twice about becoming tyrants.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-09-29   20:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Lod (#11)

they just take down one lone nut-case at a time

there are two of us nut cases here,and heavilly armed. my wife was logged on...doh well this is paddlefeet the nuttiest.

octavia  posted on  2010-09-29   20:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: christine (#0)

THE TIME HAS ARRIVED: IS REBELLION AT HAND?

It certainly can't be far off in my corner of the globe:

www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/31477

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-09-29   20:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: SonOfLiberty (#36)

I remember reading that Lao Tzu quote in your tag line from reading back when I was in college many years ago.

As Peter Drucker went out of his way to tell us decades ago a mark of the modern world is that power is concentrated. The federal government controls all of the national guards or state militia today. The people who rule us rule with an iron fist compared to the king of england back in 1775.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-09-29   20:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Dakmar (#37)

lol

christine  posted on  2010-09-29   20:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: duckhunter (#30)

When the govt. checks start bouncing (either directly or by a massive reduction in purchasing power) you will know the time is drawing near.

yep!

christine  posted on  2010-09-29   20:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: PSUSA (#24)

PSUSA! you're not exactly the kind of person who I take seriously. insult all you want.

if George Washington were alive today, I think he would want to build an army and march against the washington government. But IMHO he wouldn't do it. he would think about the consequences to his family and how powerful those who rule are. He would protect his interests. Just my opinion.

This is kind of like a totalitarian police state type of country. There's people who monitor our discussions, our communications are not even safe. Americans are isolated one by one and dealt with, and it is our fellow Americans working for the government, building careers and doing it.

The washington government will be destroyed when foreign nations send armies here to kill us. this is our unfortunate fait IMHO.

If we were to rebel, then we'd need a communications network that a substantial portion of Americans would trust. We can't even accomplish that. Delusion and insanity runs rampant in our people.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-09-29   20:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: irishthatcherite (#46)

The self-styled ‘Anglo Avenger’, believed to be a Galway based businessman furious at the bank, struck again yesterday morning by driving a cement truck right up to the gates of Leinster House on the first day of the new Dáil term.

The cement truck emblazoned with the words “Toxic Bank” and “All Politicians Should Be Sacked” used in this latest incident is the same vehicle left abandoned outside the Anglo Irish Bank in Forster Street, Galway, last April causing major traffic disruption.

hahaha. i love it.

christine  posted on  2010-09-29   20:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: christine (#49)

time . . . .

t i m e ...

time
tim.
ti..
t...

"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-09-29   20:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom (#33)

A revolution is not pure if any portion of the existing government is left standing and or in charge.

I imagine if one part of the govt. fell, it would create a cascading reaction like dominoes.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   20:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: PSUSA (#34)

Right now, imo they are scrambling to keep the sinking ship afloat. No one knows when it will sink, but it will sink.

I think it's cooked into the mathematical pie.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   20:43:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: randge (#22)

a problem is that our mass media is 100% pro-government propaganda. During the revolution we had the ability to print up newspapers and get americans to take them seriously. Our people are so brainwashed today, so indoctrinated in anti- Americanism even in our schools, so bullied, so dependent on their jobs and paychecks, so deluded and stupid, that it doesn't do any good to talk to them. During the revolution people could print stuff up in secret and distribute it. Today you can create material and circulate it, but only very few will pay attention. during the revolution people sat around pubs/bars and read newspapers of different points of view and had discussions, they were open- minded compared to today.

there are so many americans who will do anything for the military and intelligence type jobs they have.

The last argument I have against revolution is that I think that if god wants us to successfully rebel, then he would lead us in our hearts and mind to this and he would make our people more receptive to ideas that work against the people who rule us. Our people are voluntarily slaves in their own minds and we cannot change that. we can't even keep the kids from getting shots that cause autism.

during the revolution people had farms and a degree of independence. its not like that any more.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-09-29   20:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: duckhunter (#53)

I imagine if one part of the govt. fell, it would create a cascading reaction like dominoes.

The Communists got one thing right, they gave the Duma until sundown to leave Moscow or be shot.

They ran like rats.

Of course the rats that took over were bigger, but there was a revolution.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   20:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: christine (#0)

THE TIME HAS ARRIVED: IS REBELLION AT HAND?

No. The ideas advanced in the article are pure poppycock and claptrap. There is no revolution in the USA even on the distant horizon of the political spectre that the article attempts to discuss.

Without leaders, there can be no rebellion. Even the author of the article says he is lame and is ducking out.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-29   20:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Red Jones (#50)

The last argument I have against revolution is that I think that if god wants us to successfully rebel, then he would lead us in our hearts and mind to this and he would make our people more receptive to ideas that work against the people who rule us. Our people are voluntarily slaves in their own minds and we cannot change that. we can't even keep the kids from getting shots that cause autism.

Why don't we tell them to shove it? :)

"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-09-29   20:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Red Jones (#55)

The last argument I have against revolution

The alternative is World Wide War III.

Albert Pike laid it all out way back in 1873.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   20:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Cynicom (#56)

Of course the rats that took over were bigger, but there was a revolution.

IMO, all violent revolutions end this way. A "movement" big enough to unseat a govt. by force will fall prey to the same temptations they were fighting against.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   20:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: duckhunter (#60)

IMO, all violent revolutions end this way. A "movement" big enough to unseat a govt. by force will fall prey to the same temptations they were fighting against.

This country has lasted for over 200 years????

I think that is a world record.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   20:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Red Jones (#55)

Our people are voluntarily slaves in their own minds and we cannot change that.

I think we can. I believe it is the only way to improve our situation. It is the only type of revolution that has a chance.

I also believe it is inevitable.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   20:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Cynicom (#61)

This country has lasted for over 200 years????

We also are a lot like England 200 yrs ago. Probably worse.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   20:53:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: irishthatcherite (#46)

Up the Irish! Up the IRA!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-09-29   20:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Dakmar (#37)

I just rolled a doob...
lighting it...
lord...I'm free!

__________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-09-29   20:58:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: irishthatcherite (#46)

Attempts were initially made to reverse the truck from the gates but it could not be moved as the brake lines and electric cables had been cut. It is understood that the windows of the truck were covered in metal grids, the cabin doors welded shut, and that the driver escaped through a hatch in the roof before gardai climbed on top of the truck to arrest him. A specialist towtruck arrived under Garda escort to remove the vehicle just before 10am.

I'd say the man was a little miffed at the banking house and politicians. But, damn if he didn't take action at his own expense!

__________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-09-29   21:03:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Lod (#11) (Edited)

Otherwise, they just take down one lone nut-case at a time.

It is much harder to take down one lone nut case with good sniping abilities than it is an organized group where all members are known by the FBI. The Washington D.C. sniper showed just how hard it was to take him down. With an army of single snipers all throughout the country the elite will have nowhere to hide. They could be taken out at any time and they know it, so they have decided to cast the blame on politicians when the shit hits the fan to save themselves.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-09-29   21:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Jethro Tull (#64)

Up the IRA!

Nah, they're just a false opposition/false flag organisation who cowardly targeted civilians for 25 years. Why aren't they bombing Stasbourg or Bildenberg conferences?

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-09-29   21:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: duckhunter, 4 (#63)

by longevity, our empire is no empire 0

There are several long-lived empires and/or civilizations whose reigns span several hundreds of years to millenia.

The Egyptian Empire stretched from roughly 3150 BCE to 30 BCE, making it the longest lived at 3130 years. It’s difficult to isolate any single reason for their longevity. The early tribes of ancient Egypt perfected wealth-making skills in pottery and copper, as well as animal husbandry. This meant better quality of life and accumulation of citizens. It also guaranteed trade.

The evolution of trade routes and the establishment of Memphis created a strong foundation for the civilization. They were wealthy, and developed excellent rapport with neighboring governments. The development of a central ruler, strong military, and a flexible system of religious practice kept order. They flourished.

Over the course of the empire there were intermediate periods, however, where the governments collapsed and the empire was weak. This is where the debate comes in as to the ’longest-lived’

The Mayan civilization is probably the longest lived without significant intermediate failures - their reign stretched from approximately 2000 BCE to 900 AD - a reign of 2900 years. The basis for the strength of their empire is a strong centralized ruler, technological advances, diversification and a formidable fighting ability.

The reason for the failure of the Mayan civilization is unknown, but it is suspected that there was a disastrous climate change.

The Byzantines enjoyed a 1,000 year reign, with weak periods, and some say that they lived off of the remnants of the dead Roman empire.

The Chinese empire began at approximately 250 BCE, and some argue that it continues to this day, although popular opinion dates the end of the empire with the end of imperial China in 1368. There are more modern texts which declare the fall as late as the early 20th century. Source(s): ASKVILLE by AMAZON

Lod  posted on  2010-09-29   21:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: RickyJ (#67)

I've never understood why those goofs were targeting innocent civilians, instead of targets of value in deecee.

It makes no sense, to me, to take out your fellows.

Lod  posted on  2010-09-29   21:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Lod (#69)

It’s difficult to isolate any single reason for their longevity.

Lack of a central bank?

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   21:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Lod (#69)

The reason for the failure of the Mayan civilization is unknown, but it is suspected that there was a disastrous climate change.

I've also read that their population simply outgrew the ability to feed itself regardless of climate change.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   21:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: duckhunter, Lod (#72)

H1N1.

They died out from a lack of school nurses versed in venipuncture.

Crimony, now I'm scaring myself...

"Fear of death is form of stasis horrors. The dead weight of time." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-09-29   21:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: X-15 (#66)

I'd say the man was a little miffed at the banking house and politicians. But, damn if he didn't take action at his own expense!

He did good, no doubt! :)

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-09-29   21:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: RickyJ (#67)

With an army of single snipers all throughout the country

We definitely have that. Millions of them.

duckhunter  posted on  2010-09-29   21:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: duckhunter, *Shooters* (#75)

As long as the word gets out to take one shot, and one shot ONLY, then slip away to do it again, FedGov and its jack-booted thugs will be whipped in short order. No last stands with an AR-15, that won't win it.

__________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-09-29   21:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Lod (#70)

I've never understood why those goofs were targeting innocent civilians, instead of targets of value in deecee.

Because the two semi-retarded 'groids weren't the shooters, they were patsies.

The actual shooters in the white van (not the Chevy Caprice of the 'groids) were professionals (probably mossad) setting up yet another false flag attack on the country.

Ever notice how the shootings stopped as soon as they accidently waxed an FBI goob?

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-09-29   21:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: X-15 (#76)

Yep.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-09-29   21:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: X-15 (#76)

FedGov and its jack-booted thugs will be whipped in short order

you have a confederate flag in your tag line. and you sound like those southerners who advocated war in 1861. how did that one work out?

we had a guy locally who took things in his own hands. He got his assault rifle and found one of those white vans on the road where they measure people's speed while driving in a car and then send out speeding tickets. He shot dead a guy operating one of those speed guns in the white van. and his image was caught on video doing it. and he was in jail within 48 hours. lone gunmen killing people frivilously like that cause only opposition and get caught so quickly.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-09-29   21:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Red Jones (#79) (Edited)

You only get caught if you're haphazard in your field-craft. I'm not sloppy.

Example: one or two cruisers blocking an intersection in a suburban or rural setting provide the biggest target on the planet. Those cops know it, too; they'll be home guarding their wife and kids when the SHTF.

__________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-09-29   21:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: X-15 (#80)

and if you randomly shoot police officers like that nobody will support whatever sort of movement you represent. Even when you kill the leaders, people will not respect that. insanity.

Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-09-29   22:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: irishthatcherite (#68)

Don't know much about them, but if they aren't fighting for a united Ireland, find a new group of rebels, or submit to the jack boot of Mother England.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-09-29   22:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: duckhunter, cynicom, christine, Jethro Tull, All (#63)

The lack of a consensus is why things won't change. Those in power make sure we are kept in the dark (media control), kept divided and they are masters at doing such. Also no one has stepped forth as a leader who can put forth a plan for a successful rebellion.

Let's face it. The country is lost. David Rockefeller has been advocating one world government all his adult life and we the stupidpeople believed it would never happen. That's what is here; not a revolution to restore this nation. Like Nero, we fiddled while the USA has been taken over and except for those who died on 9-11-2001, they hardly fired a shot.

LACUMO  posted on  2010-09-29   22:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: LACUMO (#83)

Also no one has stepped forth as a leader who can put forth a plan for a successful rebellion.

You are late here young man.

Indeed, we need a voice, I have given up hope.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-09-29   23:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Red Jones (#7)

They have riot police at protests and look what they do to the protesters.

They are pussies. All of them. They beat on unarmed women for heaven's sake.

They would all shit themselves and run for the hills if fired upon by a few competent riflemen.


Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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Critter  posted on  2010-09-29   23:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#19)

Red, i think you're correct in your assessment,

nah. hogwash. The bad guys have pussies on their side.


Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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Critter  posted on  2010-09-29   23:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Critter (#86)

oooooh, chills ;)

christine  posted on  2010-09-29   23:39:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Red Jones (#81)

and if you randomly shoot police officers like that nobody will support whatever sort of movement you represent. Even when you kill the leaders, people will not respect that. insanity.

Cops are randomly killing citizens and their dogs and nobody supports the government they represent. insanity. See how that works??

__________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-09-30   0:05:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: buckeroo (#57)

Without leaders, there can be no rebellion.

The Constitution is our leader. Take me to yours.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-30   4:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: GreyLmist (#89)

Without leaders, there can be no rebellion.

The Constitution is our leader. Take me to yours.

But, suppose the person to whom you've pledged your allegiance suddenly quotes Romans 13 and you find that he has a scriptural "invective" (I think he meant "invocation") for every occasion and the constitution was merely a once convenient means to an end?

I'd hate to throw off this evil govt only to replace it with Christian Jihad.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-09-30   5:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: HOUNDDAWG (#90)

But, suppose the person to whom you've pledged your allegiance suddenly quotes Romans 13 and you find that he has a scriptural "invective" (I think he meant "invocation") for every occasion and the constitution was merely a once convenient means to an end?

I'd hate to throw off this evil govt only to replace it with Christian Jihad.

If your allegience is to the Constitution and not personages, then you can gauge how far afield someone might drift from that when you stay focused on the Constitution like a compass. DAWGedly focused on it, you could say. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-09-30   5:56:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Jethro Tull (#82) (Edited)

Don't know much about them, but if they aren't fighting for a united Ireland, find a new group of rebels, or submit to the jack boot of Mother England.

There are a million people in that corner who don't want that, unless they change their minds anytime soon, a unified Ireland isn't a good idea.

Edit: Right now I'm more worried about the sovereignty of the already independent 26 counties.

From Blank Cheque Ireland... to Bounced Cheque Ireland.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-09-30   7:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Red Jones (#50)

PSUSA! you're not exactly the kind of person who I take seriously. insult all you want.

I dont care if you take me seriously or not.

It's not an insult. It's what you wrote. You have surrendered before the fight even starts. So, why resist? You might as well join them if they are so powerful. Few things piss me off more than someone that surrenders before the fight even starts.

This is kind of like a totalitarian police state type of country. There's people who monitor our discussions, our communications are not even safe.

They're building that kind of state, but it's not here yet. The only way a police state can be effective is if the people have culturally only lived under other dictatorships in the past, like monarchies, theocracies, etc. Look at the UK and see a real police state in the making. They have it much worse than we do.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-09-30   8:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: irishthatcherite (#68)

Up the IRA! Nah, they're just a false opposition/false flag organisation who cowardly targeted civilians for 25 years. Why aren't they bombing Stasbourg or Bildenberg conferences?

I never thought of it that way. but you're right. It reminds me of alquaeda. The New York post had an article saying that 98% of the victims of Al Quaeda attacks are muslims.

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Red Jones  posted on  2010-09-30   8:09:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: duckhunter (#13)

They can't survive being ignored.

Exactly ... they have to have obedient servants or they die !

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noone222  posted on  2010-09-30   8:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: X-15 (#76)

As long as the word gets out to take one shot, and one shot ONLY, then slip away to do it again, FedGov and its jack-booted thugs will be whipped in short order. No last stands with an AR-15, that won't win it.

Agreed, because you can multiply that one shot by millions. Which is why we can't be picked off one by one. There's too many of us, and they know it.

Not only do they know where we live, but we know where they live.

We just need to be ready. IMO it can come at any time. They'll be the ones to start it, not us.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-09-30   8:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: buckeroo (#57)

Without leaders, there can be no rebellion

That is the most astute remark here. Sadly, the fomenters of the majority of revolutions in the past 500 years or more, have been the jews, whipping the ignorant masses into mindless, murderous mobs. Rebellions/revolutions/wars have always been very profitable to the very people we seek to overthrow. A few heads roll, to be sure, but then new puppets are put in place, by the true PTB.

In my opinion, our only option is massive, intelligent, disobedience. We can drop out of their game any time we want, but it appears we don't want to.

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angK  posted on  2010-09-30   14:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: irishthatcherite (#92)

Well, I'm an American because the British intentionally starved more than a million Irishmen, as you well know. For that, and other, countless, crimes of imperialism, may the entire lot of them be damned to hades. Now, who's buying the Guinness? :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-09-30   15:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: GreyLmist (#89)

The Constitution is our leader. Take me to yours.

Whether you agree or not, the USSC interprets the US Constitution; they aren't supposed to ... but they do on a regular basis; remember just a few years ago Kelo v. City of New London, Connecticut? And, as a result your leaders are leading the deaf, the dumb and the blind besides the fascists destroying America.

There are no leaders towards a new or renewed US Constitution attempting to fortify America based upon the original documents. All you see are whiners, complainers, naggers and critiques of all kinds. As the author of the thread's article clearly suggests, he (himself) is dropping out of the limelight.

He grabbed his moment of fame and is leaving the trash he pointed out for others to pick up.

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buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-30   15:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: christine, 4 (#0)

AJ's search words today 'resentment toward government' startpage results -

47 unique top-ten pages selected from at least 5,279,680 matching results

Lod  posted on  2010-09-30   15:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: PSUSA, Red Jones (#93)

It's what you wrote. You have surrendered before the fight even starts. So, why resist? You might as well join them if they are so powerful. Few things piss me off more than someone that surrenders before the fight even starts.

PSUSA, I've been savaged more than once for the same reason you attacked Red.

The simple fact is, there are folks who write powerful stuff about taking America back and often in the course of "waxing patriotic" they go so far toward the abstract that any mention of real world logistics causes their reverie to come crashing down.

Red has not surrendered, at least not according to my careful reading of all exchanges between you two.

It reminds me of the story of the butterfly who fell in love with the hippo. In order to consummate their love the butterfly sought the counsel of the wise old owl, which was a journey of many days.

The owl said, "In order to consummate your love you must become a hippo!" The butterfly returned to tell the hippo the good news, and the hippo asked, "But how do you do that?"

After several days journey back to the owl to ask the question the owl replied, "Don't ask me. I just make policy, I don't implement it!"

Those who write about taking America back often base their over simplified plans on many erroneous assumptions or overlooked problems, not the least of which is, "if three Americans meet to form a rebel cell one of them will lose his nerve and turn ratsnitch informant"

And if any leader begins to rise and gain notoriety among the downtrodden masses, he or she will be seized and dragged before a secret tribunal then wind up in some 3rd world CIA prison connected to a battery charger.

As Red pointed out without secure communications planning on any meaningful scale is impossible, and then there is only a spontaneous uprising to hope for. And for that to succeed in a country of comfortable, well fed and air conditioned people who are trained to ignore the night raids executed against their neighbors ("He was an immigrant/troublemaker/terrorist sympathizer-close the blinds, Honey") it would require circumstances to coincide in defiance of the laws of probability. In fact the govt would have to bungle things worse than they pretended to do on 9/11, and in the case of a real uprising we'd likely see how very efficient they can be when their power is genuinely threatened.

So, instead of attacking Red or me could you explain how to safely form cells when one mistake would result in consequences too terrible to contemplate? And remember, if the enemy believes that your plan has legs it may result in a sudden lifestyle change for you.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-09-30   16:30:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: HOUNDDAWG (#101)

PSUSA, I've been savaged more than once for the same reason you attacked Red.

I was harsh, no doubt about it. Defeatist attitudes really piss me off.

"if three Americans meet to form a rebel cell one of them will lose his nerve and turn ratsnitch informant"

And if any leader begins to rise and gain notoriety among the downtrodden masses, he or she will be seized and dragged before a secret tribunal then wind up in some 3rd world CIA prison connected to a battery charger.

True. Which is why it pays to be a lone wolf. There is no good reason to take the risk of forming any "cell" until the fighting starts.

And when it comes to having a leader, he is known and respected, and obeyed, because of his results and his results only. Follow a leader with a big mouth and delusions of grandeur, and guess what the end result will be...

Look at the interest being paid to lone wolves by the PTB. They scare the crap out of them because you cannot infiltrate a lone wolf. A cell or a united resistance of any kind can be destroyed easily. That is why I am extremely suspicious of anyone that claims some kind of "unity" is needed. What they want is to unify under their banner, or they want to make us nice juicy targets. We are united in purpose, and that is good enough.

So, instead of attacking Red or me could you explain how to safely form cells when one mistake would result in consequences too terrible to contemplate? And remember, if the enemy believes that your plan has legs it may result in a sudden lifestyle change for you.

Do not form cells, period.

You're jumping the gun, imho. Form cells with people you know, after any revolt starts, not before. Or don't form cells and stay a long wolf. That could either be suicidal or it might be the only good option open, depending on the situation.

Have you ever read any books on guerrilla warfare? At all? By people that, while you might disagree with their politics, were very effective leaders? Look at what they have to say about cell structure and communications, and guerrilla warfare in general. They are open about the mistakes that they made.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-09-30   18:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: angK (#97)

In my opinion, our only option is massive, intelligent, disobedience.

key word--massive.

christine  posted on  2010-09-30   18:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: christine, angK (#103)

key word--massive.

It shall never happen in America as long as the government can ensure its continued assault on liberties with subsidy payments.

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buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-30   18:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: PSUSA (#102)

Very good.

Years ago I saw ads in the backs of magazines for GETTING EVEN: The Complete Book of Dirty Tricks and THE ANARCHIST COOKBOOK but I was afraid to order them. As it turned out the govt was indeed interested in who was ordering certain books, and prudence dictates that we assume the worst and that govt obtained the names of those who ordered them.

THE ART OF WAR by SUN TZU is not something I was afraid to order but I didn't have to because it's online.

Any book on "the subject" would have to include the chilling extent of FEDGOV's spy capabilities today to be useful, and I doubt that most Americans understand that proper security would mean that they not only have to be circumspect in acquiring books and equipment, but also that they can't trust their own families, i.e. parents, brother's, etc.,. lest they find themselves clapped in irons the way Ted Kaczynski did.

His brother had options besides putting TED in prison for a life sentence without the possibility of parole, but he made no effort to contact Ted and end the mayhem while trying to help Ted find his brain before the FBI found his ass.

When the govt 1-800-snitch campaign begins in earnest it will be too late to make sure loved ones aren't dragged into the mess because some were reckless in the beginning and failed to protect those who should have been kept in the dark. Or some may end up in GITMO because a family member's "loyalty to the NWO" is stronger than their obligation to family.

No, the logistics simply boggle the mind, and I'm hoping that the evil ones will go too far and plant the seed of their own undoing and Americans in several states simultaneously hit the streets with their bugout bags and rifles.

We may end up with a two state solution after all, but I could live with that. In fact, knowing the effect it would have on state worshiping Lincolnphiles I may actually be happy about it.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-09-30   19:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: HOUNDDAWG (#105)

We may end up with a two state solution after all,

could you explain a two state solution?

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#107. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine (#105)

Any book on "the subject" would have to include the chilling extent of FEDGOV's spy capabilities today to be useful, and I doubt that most Americans understand that proper security would mean that they not only have to be circumspect in acquiring books and equipment, but also that they can't trust their own families, i.e. parents, brother's, etc.,. lest they find themselves clapped in irons the way Ted Kaczynski did.

Or as Jim Keith learned.

There are a lot of books that I have wanted that I was leery of ordering for just that reason - that everyone who ordered them got to go on their very own special list.

This is why God invented Used Book Stores and Cash.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-30   21:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Original_Intent (#107)

Or as Jim Keith learned.

There are a lot of books that I have wanted that I was leery of ordering for just that reason - that everyone who ordered them got to go on their very own special list.

This is why God invented Used Book Stores and Cash.

Roger that.

I'll buy it at a flea market or it don't get bought.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-09-30   22:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: christine (#106)

We may end up with a two state solution after all,

could you explain a two state solution?

No.

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#110. To: christine (#106)

could you explain a two state solution?

North. South. Only this time, the North is consumed by infighting and the South co-opts the Mid-West/Rocky Mountain states. We'll graciously allow the Western seaboard states to remain in the Union.

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X-15  posted on  2010-09-30   22:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine (#109)

christine: We may end up with a two state solution after all, could you explain a two state solution?

Christine asks an excellent question... and here you are on a publick Internet channel, suggesting "no." You can't elucidate much more than a complaint, correct?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-30   22:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: buckeroo (#111)

She didn't say "Can you..."

She said "could you...."

It was a kind invitation to explain what everyone already understands.

She's very sweet to me and it was an act of kindness because I'm obviously having a good day instead of suffering and I enjoy writing when I'm up to it.

It's not a test nor is it very likely that anyone I care about needs to have it explained.

So go hump someone else's leg, ok, buck?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-09-30   22:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: HOUNDDAWG (#112)

So go hump someone else's leg, ok, buck?

The Internet is publick. Just because you are a self-proclaimed and renowned DAWG is your problem... begging to perform a demonstration of your personal skills is not my issue.

I ask simple questions. And here you are playing like the puppy you named yourself.

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buckeroo  posted on  2010-09-30   22:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Esso (#44)

Apparently, somebody hasn't studied military strategy and still thinks that an effective tactic is to hole up in a home and hope for the best.

It's suicide if you go by their playbook.

New playbook: Don't sit in a defensive hole made out of styrofoam and pine and think you're going to survive. Mobility is key, and after that, coordination. You draw the enemy to your scenario, you don't let him dictate the battle on his terms.

I do appreciate the "target their families" thing, that's outside the box. But ultimately we don't have to be dishonorable, we can simply not do what they expect us to do, e.g. - retreat to a hidey hole.

If Red China were to invade tomorrow, would you retreat to your home? No? Me neither. What would you do?

Now, same thing, except target, well, you know.

All, of course, hypothetical academic discussion.

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SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-09-30   22:54:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Red Jones (#47)

Horse shit.

Their rule is in your head. It's mostly illusionary. Afghanistan is winning, with no official military resistance, and 100 guys in a cave with bolt actions.

They control you through your own fear. Nothing more, nothing less.

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SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-09-30   22:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: X-15, HOUNDDAWG (#110)

North. South. Only this time, the North is consumed by infighting and the South co-opts the Mid-West/Rocky Mountain states. We'll graciously allow the Western seaboard states to remain in the Union.

thank you. i honestly didn't know what that meant for today's USA.

christine  posted on  2010-09-30   23:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Original_Intent (#107)

This is why God invented Used Book Stores and Cash.

God invented them. LOL.

christine  posted on  2010-09-30   23:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: X-15, christine (#110)

could you explain a two state solution?

North. South. Only this time, the North is consumed by infighting and the South co-opts the Mid-West/Rocky Mountain states. We'll graciously allow the Western seaboard states to remain in the Union.

Wait just a cotton pickin' minute. With the exception of the 3 urban areas of Eugene, Salem, and Portland Oregon is largely rural and conservative. You ain't gonna stick us with a bunch of blue bellies. I have more relatives in Montana, Tennessee, and North Carolina than anywhere else.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-09-30   23:20:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Original_Intent, christine (#118)

You ain't gonna stick us with a bunch of blue bellies.

Battle Hymn of the Republic ownz u!!!!

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X-15  posted on  2010-10-01   12:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Original_Intent, X-15, christine (#118) (Edited)

christine: could you explain a two state solution?

X-15: North. South. Only this time, the North is consumed by infighting and the South co-opts the Mid-West/Rocky Mountain states. We'll graciously allow the Western seaboard states to remain in the Union.

Original_Intent: Wait just a cotton pickin' minute. With the exception of the 3 urban areas of Eugene, Salem, and Portland Oregon is largely rural and conservative. You ain't gonna stick us with a bunch of blue bellies. I have more relatives in Montana, Tennessee, and North Carolina than anywhere else.

Good point, OI. That's why a two states plural reorganizational classification would be more appropriate until America's colonialist enemies are dislodged from their parallel entrenchments. Constitutional Oregon:UnConstitutional Oregon, and so on and so on for all 50 states. This is not to suggest that the UnConstitutional state segments would have any recognized authority over Constitutionalists or any recognized claims to America's land and resources. Anyone unwilling to go along with or participate in the process of rebuilding local, State, and Federal government in-line with the Constitution to represent Americans of it would be counted among the UnConstitutional sector. They haven't undermined America by outgunning us and we don't have to outgun them or beg their permission to go about the business of our rightful government.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-01   13:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: buckeroo (#99)

You didn't take me to your leader with that response, 'roo. So, you're saying your leader isn't the Constitution? Yes or no.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-01   14:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: GreyLmist (#121) (Edited)

You didn't take me to your leader with that response, 'roo. So, you're saying your leader isn't the Constitution? Yes or no.

I don't know which Constitution you are referring to.... the original document signed September 17, 1787, the one adopted with the the Bill of Rights or the one of 16 other amendments that have been added? Are you talking about ALL of them?

Then again, there is the one interpreted by the nine black robed thugs that perpetually alter the wording into some mysterious legalized mumbo-jumbo rendering the US Constitution's simple wording a pack of lies to the layman ..... which one of those interpretations are you describing.... with a vibrant history of over 200 years of slander and treachery by the USSC, I am confident you can pick out one.

[edit] In addition, the thousands of International treaties endorsed by the US Senate and signed by the US President (including world bodies such as the UN, etc.) that have ALSO modified the US Constitution. Again, which US Constitution are you discussing?]

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buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-02   14:54:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: buckeroo (#122)

I've already explained in this post about the invalidity of treaties not in pursuance of the Constitution. If they are not approved by the Senate, they are invalid. They are also invalid even when they are approved by the Senate if they violate the Constitution. Treaties do not override the U.S. Constitution. Only State Constitutions might be affected by treaties.

That was some mighty fancy footwork to avoid a simple Yes or No answer, buckeroo. Skip the SCOTUS mumbo-jumbo. I of course was not referring to anything prior to the Bill of Rights. There are some Amendments thereafter that should be declared invalid because they were not properly ratified, like the 16th and 17th for instance, but let's go with the simple wording of the Constitution as is for this discussion. I know it's not 100% perfect with those insertions and that SCOTUS is typically unhelpful but do you think it's good enough to be your leader? Yes or No.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-04   1:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: GreyLmist (#123)

I've already explained in this post about the invalidity of treaties not in pursuance of the Constitution. If they are not approved by the Senate, they are invalid. They are also invalid even when they are approved by the Senate if they violate the Constitution. Treaties do not override the U.S. Constitution. Only State Constitutions might be affected by treaties.

That was an excellent discussion on your earlier thread, as I understood the content vividly. You are correct, too.

But... take a moment to review what I suggested earlier, beyond the other stuff:

In addition, the thousands of International treaties endorsed by the US Senate and signed by the US President (including world bodies such as the UN, etc.) that have ALSO modified the US Constitution. Again, which US Constitution are you discussing?

Of course, treaties MUST comply with already pre-existing US Constitutional requirements and MUST comply with USC enacted...

So, where in the US Constitution does it document that American government can spend about one-half of it's discretionary budget on national defense thus creating the HUGE military Americans must shoulder on foreign soil around the world? It is through the treaties that are officially stamped for authorization by the US Senate and the president; btw, find one treaty that was ever dismissed by the USSC.

You see, the US Constitution has been modified and changed by tens of thousands of individuals over time, albeit: some good but mostly bad. It is such a bastardized document anymore (that was originally intended to restrain the US government) that now it is unrecognizable with respect to how the US government operates. The broadly interpreted commerce clause is an excellent point of example.

That was some mighty fancy footwork to avoid a simple Yes or No answer, buckeroo. Skip the SCOTUS mumbo-jumbo. I of course was not referring to anything prior to the Bill of Rights. There are some Amendments thereafter that should be declared invalid because they were not properly ratified, like the 16th and 17th for instance, but let's go with the simple wording of the Constitution as is for this discussion. I know it's not 100% perfect with those insertions and that SCOTUS is typically unhelpful but do you think it's good enough to be your leader? Yes or No.

No. It left thousands of loopholes for the over-all re-interpretation of the structure of government that it is no longer applicable in the everyday world without US Constitutional conventions. Today, Congress and the president enact hundreds of laws every year that are assumed to be consistent with the US Constitution but because of the obvious fraud by legislators and the presidency enacting those laws; the US Constitution is totally bypassed and ignored.

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buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-04   22:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: buckeroo (#124) (Edited)

I don't know why I didn't find your response until now. Sorry for the delay and thank you for the compliment.

take a moment to review what I suggested earlier, beyond the other stuff:

In addition, the thousands of International treaties endorsed by the US Senate and signed by the US President (including world bodies such as the UN, etc.) that have ALSO modified the US Constitution. Again, which US Constitution are you discussing?

Of course, treaties MUST comply with already pre-existing US Constitutional requirements and MUST comply with USC enacted...

So, where in the US Constitution does it document that American government can spend about one-half of it's discretionary budget on national defense thus creating the HUGE military Americans must shoulder on foreign soil around the world? It is through the treaties that are officially stamped for authorization by the US Senate and the president; btw, find one treaty that was ever dismissed by the USSC.

I'd rather not go USSC dumpster diving right now. You don't have to convince me that they've generally acted like a bunch of scalawags all these years. But let's consider how we might be able to turn one of their latest missteps to our advantage re: the defense budget. I think that Chickenhawks should be drafted. Since the USSC claims that corporations are personhoods, I suggest that we call for a draft of the Chickenhawk Military Industrial Complex, along with the two- legged kind. Then each of those businesses would have to work at the same pay scale as an entry level troop does. General Smedley Butler actually suggested a simialr draft along those lines long ago in his "War is a Racket" essay, among other recommendations. Let's get moving on it ASAP. Congress probably won't want to cooperate but what else is new, eh? We can work around them while they try to squirm their despicable way out of it, as usual.

You see, the US Constitution has been modified and changed by tens of thousands of individuals over time, albeit: some good but mostly bad. It is such a bastardized document anymore (that was originally intended to restrain the US government) that now it is unrecognizable with respect to how the US government operates. The broadly interpreted commerce clause is an excellent point of example.

I don't think it's the Constitution that's unrecognizable. What's unrecognizable is what's being passed off as US government operations. The broadly interpreted commerce clause is in conflict with the general welfare clause. Commerce is a special interest group. When commerce is serving its own interests to the detriment of the general welfare of We the Constitutionalist People, we have the right to revoke their charters. If Congress and the States refuse to do their duty to keep us from being ransacked, plundered, and oppressed by it, then they are effectively aligning themselves with hostile forces against us and it then becomes our duty to declare the charters revoked and Congress summarily dismissed as foriegn and domestic enemies or "furloughed" for a time-out while we convene a 9th and 10th Amendment Convention to prescribe remedies. Constitutional Health Care, you could call it.

Me: do you think [the Constitution is] good enough to be your leader? Yes or No.

You: No. It left thousands of loopholes for the over-all re-interpretation of the structure of government that it is no longer applicable in the everyday world without US Constitutional conventions. Today, Congress and the president enact hundreds of laws every year that are assumed to be consistent with the US Constitution but because of the obvious fraud by legislators and the presidency enacting those laws; the US Constitution is totally bypassed and ignored.

I don't know of any Constitutionalist who assumes that what they are doing is consistent with it at all. Before any US Constitutional convention to propose Amendment, there should be a 9th and 10th Amendment Convention, as I mentioned above, to determine the Constitutionality of proposals so as not to be bum- rushed by the same sort of "popular consensus conventionalism" that has made such a mess of things contrary to our Founding Principals and Frameworks. It should always be in-session like ongoing jury duties to also review and, if necessary, reject as invalid the doings of the various branches of our governmental system whenever they go astray. Those who can't pass a Constitutional Literacy Test need not apply to volunteer unless they'd like to observe in order to learn and get qualified to participate. America is not supposed to be in the business of giving every worldview an equal opportunity to govern us and profit here at our expense if they can marshall a majority of numbers. With these more decisive and resolute paths in mind, I hope that you will reconsider your "No" answer and see the Constitution as good enough to be your leader rather than the loopy and pompous riff-raff in opposition to it who have no legitimate authority here anyway. All those counterfeiters amount to is trespassing Undocumented "workers" and littering loiterers from an alien galaxy who should be deported from our offices. We the People of the Constitution are the only rightful authorities here as the Posterity of our Founders and so documented by it, not them.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-21   9:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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