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Title: Baby Cheyenne returned to parents after Rochester hearing: Parents can't comment, but dad happy after hearing protested by Oath Keepers
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URL Source: http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... GJNEWS_01/710159937/-1/fosnews
Published: Oct 15, 2010
Author: Aaron Sanborn
Post Date: 2010-10-15 19:19:09 by christine
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Views: 253
Comments: 33

DOVER — Exiting Rochester Family Court into the midst of roughly 100 protesters on Thursday, Johnathan Irish clearly had something to smile about.

The court had just held a hearing on the future of Cheyenne, the infant daughter of Irish and Stephanie Taylor, who was taken into the custody of the New Hampshire Division of Children, Youth and Families shortly after her birth on Thursday, Oct. 7.

Neither would comment about the hearing's outcome, citing state confidentiality laws.

"I would love to comment, but we can't," Taylor said.

However, Irish used a smile to indicate the hearing's outcome.

"A picture's worth a thousand words. What's a smile worth?" he asked.

Prior to Thursday's hearing, Irish denied DCYF claims that Cheyenne could be in danger.

The Epsom couple's case has made national headlines in the last few days because of the Oath Keepers connection that was referenced in affidavit.

About 100 people gathered in front of the Strafford County Superior Court on Thursday to protest a reference that was made to the Oath Keepers organization in an affidavit related to the local child custody case.

The Oath Keepers, are a group that pledges to defend the Constitution and to oppose government tyranny.

They group was referenced in a DCYF affidavit as a political affiliation of Irish.

Those who attended Thursday's protest were outraged that an affiliation with the Oath Keepers would be mentioned in an affidavit related to a child custody case.

The affidavit for the case is sealed and Oath Keepers only provided the excerpt of the affidavit that referenced them. That excerpt allegedly states, "The Division (DCYF) became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the, "Oath Keepers," and had purchased several different types of weapons, including a rifle, handgun and Taser."

"This is not just a child custody case, it's about the First Amendment," said Oath Keepers founder and President Stewart Rhodes.

Rhodes and the Oath Keepers issued a demand letter to DCYF on Thursday asking for the removal of Oath Keepers from the affidavit.

"We wouldn't be here and this wouldn't be a national issue if our name wasn't in there," he said.

Maggie Bishop, the director of DCYF, has gone on record saying that allegations that the state seized the newborn girl over her father's political affiliations don't reflect the division's policies.

Bishop has declined to discuss the specifics of the case because of confidentiality requirements.

The newborn, Cheyenne, was taken by DCYF officials hours after her birth last Thursday at Concord Hospital.

It has been reported that the DCYF affidavit stated there was a lengthy history of domestic violence between Irish and the baby's mother.

Rhodes said he wasn't concerning himself with the child custody case; his concern is strictly about his group being associated with the case. He fears that people will be hesitant to join the group after hearing about this case.

Rhodes said he would file a lawsuit if the organization's name isn't removed from the affidavit.

"This is a very important case," he said. "We can't have a precedent set that allows them to list people's affiliations whenever CPS (child protective services) comes to your doorstep."

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#3. To: christine (#0)

Johnathon Irish, Stephanie and Cheyenne- Reunited

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-10-15   21:16:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GreyLmist (#3)

Johnathon Irish, Stephanie and Cheyenne- Reunited

Ahh .... Isn't that cute?

One thing you forgot to bring up is how Stephanie gave up two earlier children because of her own neglect. And Johnny? In the past he has a long string of known violence about him and has refused therapy.

What makes you think Cheyenne has a chance in HELL to survive?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-15   21:30:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#4)

you think a guy should be mandated 'therapy' by the state if he has a temper? eegads buck. give me a break with such bullshit. hell, you yourself should be in a straightjacket if those standards would apply. that is feminist b.s. mandated therapy . 'anger management classes'. taught by little social workers. fuck. give me a break with that b.s.

Artisan  posted on  2010-10-16   0:14:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Artisan (#5)

you think a guy should be mandated 'therapy' by the state if he has a temper?

Irish has been lucky so far. Some of his violent rampages have gone unnoticed and only the tip of the iceberg has been demonstrated in court and the rulings .. are far too lenient. His therapy classes were court mandated; please recognize that when you or anyone go to court for repeated similar offenses ... something is very wrong.

If I had been the judge of his earlier wanton violent streaks, he would have been incarcerated.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-10-16   14:29:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo (#11)

His therapy classes were court mandated; please recognize that when you or anyone go to court for repeated similar offenses ... something is very wrong

I don't believe in court madated therapy classes. that could be a thread in itself. if a man commits a crime, against person or property, put him to trial and if convicted, give him a real sentence and make him pay restitution. therapy as a sentence is bogus.

Artisan  posted on  2010-10-17   15:13:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Artisan (#16)

therapy as a sentence is bogus.

That is because the so-called "therapy" is bogus.

If it really worked that would be one thing, but it doesn't. From what I've read people going through these "anger management" programs very often come out angrier than when they went it, and if they weren't angry before they are now. They are all based on the premise that the person there for the "therapy" will think, and does think, as the "therapist" thinks they think, and when you tell someone wrongly "this is how you think" and they don't think that way it sets off an internal protest which can really screw a person up if they weren't already.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-17   15:23:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#17)

That is because the so-called "therapy" is bogus

I think that it's important to have confidants, someone trusted that you can share your problem with, and work out undecided issues or dilemas, etc. I do not think that a paid 'licensed' 'therapist' is the best bet in this regard, by any means. Isn't that what friends are, or should be, for? lol.

In this soceity as you have pointed out before, people are isolated and do not connect with others as they should. The proliferation of internet social networks and forums may in fact be evidence of this.

Artisan  posted on  2010-10-17   15:48:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Artisan (#19)

That is because the so-called "therapy" is bogus

I think that it's important to have confidants, someone trusted that you can share your problem with, and work out undecided issues or dilemas, etc. I do not think that a paid 'licensed' 'therapist' is the best bet in this regard, by any means. Isn't that what friends are, or should be, for? lol.

In this soceity as you have pointed out before, people are isolated and do not connect with others as they should. The proliferation of internet social networks and forums may in fact be evidence of this.

Having someone willing to listen is a good thing. It can be a Priest, a friend, a sibling, a parent, or even your dog or cat. When a person is troubled they need someone to talk to whom they can trust, and someone preferably willing to listen while suspending judgment and not telling the person what they think. The last is the most important. Telling someone what they think does either 1 of 2 things both of which are bad. It either short circuits the cognitive process i.e., a lesson is best learned when a person figures it out for themselves. Now you can help this a long with a little Socratic Dialogue i.e., asking questions which cause the person to think and evaluate. If you do that make sure you get an answer to the question - people will seek to avoid pain and sometimes you have to look. Also let them know you heard their answer, and don't offer a judgment of the answer because the point is to lead them into thinking their way through with just a few helpful questions.

The other bad thing that could happen is that in telling someone how they think you could be wrong. Sometimes that make someone explode, but in every case it is received by the person as not only wrong but an attack upon their most inner being. That is why Psychoanalysis rarely works.

The best therapy is often just listening, staying engaged and letting the person know they've been heard, and nothing more. It is simplicity itself and the gift of a true friend.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-10-17   16:11:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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