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"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson
I disagree. I think it's very telling, and typical. One does not need to cherry-pick xtian posts to find idiocy. And the idiocy on this video is typical of xtians.
Perhaps you know why you haven't dissolved yet from all of that DNA in your body? It's an ACID! And acids dissolve flesh! It has to be true because a xtian said it was so!
Unless, of course, you consider yourself to be one of those "true christians". Never mind the fact that the other idiots consider themselves to be "true christians" also. You might think you're smarter than they are, but they think that they are pretty smart too.
Hell, I thought I was a "true christian" too.
Therefore I was also an idiot. Although some will question the "was" part of it. Not that that bothers me.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
Perhaps it is the zealotry that is the main point of contention. Have you noted that your own anti-Christian zealotry is in direct proportion to the zealotry you claim to despise in the Fundies?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
Life would be good if everyone would just worship Turtle.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
lol....it's a simple observation, not a strawman, and suggested only to help you see where you and your "nemisis" are alike. : )
Uh huh.
OK, for the sake of argument, let's say that you're telling the truth.
You're a woman, right?
Suppose you're at a bar. I see you and say to myself "Damn that is one smokin' hot lady. I think I'll go talk to her".
So I say "You will either love me, and obey me, or I will douse you in gasoline and set you on fire!" You know, like how the kike "god" demands, except that teh kike "god" will burn people forever. I'm more merciful than the kike "god".
How far would that line get me with you?
We're not "alike".
I think it's only natural for people to attack what they see as huge problems in society, because they are so fucking destructive. Some see the problem as some nameless NWO, I see it as going deeper than that. The same people that claim to be fighting the NWO are supporting it anyway, by their allegiance to a kike tribal "god" fraud.
The more that see through that fraud, the sooner teh NWO dies.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
If this video represents the depth of thinking of Christians, then Christianity is doomed. To them, atheism is not merely the denial of a Supreme Being, but even the belief that the earth is more than 6000 years old. Even their athiest straw man is made with insufficient straw.
If this video represents the depth of thinking of Christians
Having been in the middle of it, it is the depth of their thinking. That is the power of the programming. It is blinding and insidious. You can point out their errors in black and white, and they will ignore it. ,
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
I think it's only natural for people to attack what they see as huge problems in society, because they are so fucking destructive.
How will you change what you detest by acting in the same manner ways you claim to despise? What is destructive is the Fundie approach.....yours is equally destructive and, therefore, will only perpetuate the destruction rather than alleviate any of it.
Your appoach will not help others "see through that fraud" and that's my point. No, we are not "alike" nor do I think you should be like me. Maybe a better question would be: Do you really want to help others see through the "fraud" or is your intent simply to create strife/annimosity? If the former is what you want, change your approach. If the latter is your intent, admit it and accept that you are like the Fundies you claim to despise. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Cult of Turtle.......another Kook Aid drinking fiasco for sure. lol
The woman who have worshipped Turtle have permanent smiles on their faces.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
Your appoach will not help others "see through that fraud" and that's my point.
That is a valid point. But that is not what I am doing.
The only way to see through it is to question it, and to keep questioning it. Religion, xtianity in particular, does not encourage questioning. It pisses them off. They demand blind faith and obedience, and lots of money. That's just other words for slavery.
All I do is provide some of the questions. If complacency keeps them there, and IMO it does exactly that, then anger and strife, provoked by legitimate questions, helps to remove that complacency.
They will either question what they are demanded by others to believe, or they will not. I'm not demanding that others see this as I do. Just to question it all.
Most won't do that. It's easier for them to let others do their thinking for them. They are the lost causes and are worthy of nothing but slavery. But some will.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
No, we are not "alike" nor do I think you should be like me.
It wasn't you that I referred to. When you said "and suggested only to help you see where you and your "nemisis" are alike. : ) " I took that as a reference to me being like the kike "god", not like you. I don't know you.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson
I don't. I go to a fairly conservative christian church, and people who say what these actors said would be laughed at there, just like they are laughed at everywhere else except among their nutty brethren.
That could very easily be 100% true. There are varying degrees of programmed stupidity/insanity involved here. Notice that I am not saying anything that I haven't already said about myself, since I was in the middle of that crap too.
But I bet that they themselves don't like being laughed at when they try and convince others, the "heathens", that their god of love demands to be loved, obeyed to the point of murdering entire populations, etc, or else they will get tortured for eternity.
Either that, or maybe they are the kinds of people, like Calvinists, that believe these people are born to burn, and don't trouble themselves with trying to spread the so-called "good news".
Or maybe they were like me and saw the errors regarding the translating of the words into "hell", "eternal", etc, and rightfully know that these things aren't scriptural. But there is plenty of other garbage out there that has been translated properly. Like my sigline, for example. You don't really think I had to search long and hard to come up with that, do you?
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
The fundie game is so insidious because actively opposing it makes you as they are. That's one of the lessons of Christ: opposing evil on the worldly plane makes one evil.
Note that I didn't say it's one of the lessons of Christianity. ; )
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
If you don't oppose evil, what are you doing here? What are you doing in real life?
I said "opposing evil on the worldly plane makes one evil."
Opposing evil on the spiritual side is done by believing and doing good (faith and works) in this world. Putting one's self into opposition to evil on the mere rational, material side merely makes one more inclined to error.
As humans, we live in two worlds simultaneously: the material and the spiritual. The bitch about modern religion is that people have been tricked into concentrating on the material world and ignoring the spiritual one.
That's one of the lessons of Christ: opposing evil on the worldly plane makes one evil.
Say what? That's pretty kooky, no wonder Flint calls it ChristyInsanity.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
That sounds good. In theory. But it's only churchianity 101.
We live in the material. This living in 2 worlds stuff is mystical nonsense that plays right into the kikes hands.
There is nothing spiritual about christianity. All you do is wait for death. That's it. There is no room for self-improvement, any kind of advancement, you're stuck in a kind of limbo, either hoping for the "rapture" or the "2nd coming" for life to really begin.
Don't try and convince me of anything different. I know better because I lived it too. I wasted too many fucking years on that crap.
If people would concentrate more on the material, then they would not have to wait for "jesus" to come back and fix things. We can improve things a lot here, by ourselves, but so long as people think jebus is going to make things all better, things continue downhill, much to the xtians delight since they think that is a "sign" of his return, as well as much to the delight of the kikes that are in charge of it all, since it keeps their opposition ineffective. Or WTF, there is no opposition. They are enabling the kikes by doing nothing to try and stop them.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
I'm not "waiting" on Jesus or anyone else. The bullshit about future life, redemption of sins by blood, the trinity, etc. ad nauseum are all designed to keep us off track. Religion is no different from government in that it's imposed on us, from the top down, to keep us in line for the worldly ends of others that only believe in the material realm.
The simple fact is that spirit precedes the material and when we're dead, we're still what we were before we were in this body: spirit. What happens after death no one can know but we can know what we really are.
Many people have the cause and effect of the spirit/material interaction reversed. Spirit doesn't rise from the material. Rather, the material world is the clothing put on by spirit.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
If you don't oppose evil, what are you doing here?
According to the New Testement, Sermon on the Mount in particular, the flock should be setting an example of Light in this world through compassion and loving of enemies.
I suppose if this were the case, you would not have such a negative view of Christians. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson
The fundie game is so insidious because actively opposing it makes you as they are. That's one of the lessons of Christ: opposing evil on the worldly plane makes one evil.
Note that I didn't say it's one of the lessons of Christianity. ; )
The contrary of course is:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing." ~ Edmund Burke
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Creation of a good and decent world requires only that each of us as individuals behave in a good and decent manner. There are times when evil requires direct opposition to protect others but by and large we create the world in which we live - each of us by our own actions.
Religion, regardless of the excesses of some, has ever been a motivating force toward good. Religion is the advance guard as it seeks to understand and explain the most fundamental questions central to existence.
Who am I?
What am I?
What is the meaning of life?
Is there a God? If so what is man's relationship to God?
All of these are basic and fundamental to understanding our existence and creating a world in which we wish to live. There are other questions that spin off of these but those are the basis upon which religious thought, and philosophy, is formed. Each religion has its own answers to these questions, and they may be right or wrong, but they are never irrelevant.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing."
Resolving to live a life of good and then doing it is doing something. Many people never even get to the resolving part, hence they do nothing.
I see religion as a very large, very tall tree with many branches. Sometimes, the tree obscures the sunlight and sometimes it doesn't. It all depends on where one is standing in relation to the tree.
I would just note that nobody is so rabidly anti-alcohol as an ex-drunk. Most of us can consume it safely and responsibly, but try telling that to an AA member.
That is quite possibly a legitimate point. It's one that I have thought about. Would I be this way if I had never been exposed to xtianity? Maybe not. But I can't say for sure. I might have been even more vocal, seeing the damage it has done to this planet and the people on it, while I was on the outside and looking in.
I do have more empathy with those still in it though. I would not have that empathy if I had never been inside it for all that time.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
Well put. If you want to find the light you have to look for it.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing."
I would say that no man has conquered any evil in this world without first conquering himself. That something right there is a quite a feat to accomplish.
Let's be honest, few people are aware enough to be effective at all in regards to attempts to triumph over evil.......and those who lack the necessary awareness to be effective end up making it worse.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
According to the New Testement, Sermon on the Mount in particular, the flock should be setting an example of Light in this world through compassion and loving of enemies.
That "advice" is suicidal and stupid beyond words. But it sounds so sweet. Until one scratches beneath the surface.
I suppose if this were the case, you would not have such a negative view of Christians. : )
My negative views are limited to the religions and their programming of innocent people, usually from birth. I do not hate the programmed because I was in the same boat that they are in now. I'd much rather see them being set free from that programming, because it is destroying them, and the planet.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good." -- Thomas Jefferson
"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing."
I would say that no man has conquered any evil in this world without first conquering himself. That something right there is a quite a feat to accomplish.
Let's be honest, few people are aware enough to be effective at all in regards to attempts to triumph over evil.......and those who lack the necessary awareness to be effective end up making it worse.
So, the solution then would seem to be, raising first awareness.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Turtle is fibbing again. There have been no reports of perma-grin amid the laments of women claiming they need to stop drinking. ; )
Women quit drinking and doing drugs after one session with Turtle.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
Yes, this makes sense. There's never a second session and de women don't want to ever repeat that mistake. lol
Twist my words all you want...there are two dozen women who smile everytime they think of Turtle.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
Of course they do, Turtle was their inspiration for sobriety. lol
I inspired them, all right.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
Yes, to give up the drinking and drugs. Good work Turtle!! : )
One session with me...and they'll give up everything for a second session.
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface. This will not be borne, and you will have to choose between reform and revolution. If I know the spirit of this country, the one or the other is inevitable." - Thomas Jefferson
Would the printing press have been invented if the inventors hadn't wanted to make bibles? Would literacy have grown so rapidly in the west if not for the reformationists wanting bibles in homes?
You're forgetting that for a long time it was illegal, and punishable by death, to have possession of a bible.
And masses were said in latin, a language that only the priests understood.
But who's to know when the printing press would have been invented? I personally think a less destructive book would have been a better choice than the bible. But TPTB at the time saw the usefulness of printing it, so they did.
Any study of English literature will show you massive influence from religion, and even the renaissance has a lot of basis in theological thought. Sure, faith can be a reason or provide a justification for oppression, but do you think the Spanish would have been any less ruthless in conquering S. America if they had been atheists or muslims?
Why did they go to S. America? To spread xtianity. Who knows how many they murdered in the process. They destroyed everything, for all intents and purposes; people, books, etc. So much for the "good news".
Muslims probably would have done the same thing, to spread islam.
Atheists would have to have chosen another excuse, since they don't care about the kike god, unlike muslims, kikes and xtians.
If you read Theucydides History of the Peloponnesian war (a completely pre-Christian text) you can see that the Greek City States and the Persians were fully capable of torture, vile acts of murder and horrifying warfare without any exposure to the kike God. They nakedly took over cities, killed all of the men and boys and sold the women into slavery as a matter of national policy, with no real religious underpinnings at all.
If you study any region for which histories exist, mankind's general tendency has been toward pillage, plunder, conquest and slavery. I don't think Christianity really has much to do with it (although certainly the Jewish histories are unexceptionally brutal, too).
No argument there. Some use religion, others pull out something else from their toolbox to invade. It might be race, or aspects of another culture that they don't like, or they were allied with the wrong people, or who knows what else.
IMO people don't want war, they are pushed into war by their leaders.
Basically, you get any group of men together and their first thought seems to be how to steal shit so they don't have to work.
I disagree. I dont think that way and I'm pretty sure that you don't either. We know that cooperation is more beneficial to all than theft and war. Even though there are "certain groups" that don't work that way. But I question whether they are even truly human or not, because they sure don't act like humans.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
Let's be honest, few people are aware enough to be effective at all in regards to attempts to triumph over evil.......and those who lack the necessary awareness to be effective end up making it worse.
Define "evil".
You can't triumph over it if you can't define it.
I'd be happy to just be left alone, with no authoritarian pricks demanding anything of me, while I demand nothing of anyone else. To me that's good, and evil disappears without having to "triumph" over it.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
Gold. Gold was and is their religion, not Christianity. Christianity was the perfect religion to gull the Incas and the Aztecs as they both shared mythologies that could be exploited by the Spanish/Portuguese "priests".
Gold. Gold was and is their religion, not Christianity.
I disagree. Yes, they wanted, and stole, the gold. But they also went there to spread xtianity. I believe both reasons are right.
Otherwise, destroying their literature has nothing to do with getting their gold.
They believed in converting others by force. They did it in Europe, and they did it everywhere they went.
Not that they shouldn't have encouraged human sacrifice to stop. But one group of cutthroats should not tell another group of cutthroats how to act nice. It lacks a certain credibility.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
It is all base thought and action that is not in alignment with our true nature. Hence, one must first conquer the self--our own base thought and action--in order to triumph over it. The root word for evil means transgression.
Viewed solely as a concept within duality, evil is the opposite of good. Anton LaVay, founder of the church of Satanism was fond of saying tht evil is LIVE spelled backwards. Of course, LaVay was fond of embracing what is generally deemed base--chasing after pleasures and personal satisfaction.
There is an interesting story from the Buddha where he meets Maya (who rules the underworld and represents evil) and he welcomes him as an old friend. The two discuss how difficult each of their roles are in this world, revealing that when one conquers the self there really is no more duality or evil or fear overcome.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
According to the New Testement, Sermon on the Mount in particular, the flock should be setting an example of Light in this world through compassion and loving of enemies.
And Muslims. Don't forget that the flock should be setting an example of Light in this world through compassion, the loving of enemies and death to Muslims.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
Don't forget that the flock should be setting an example of Light in this world through compassion, the loving of enemies and death to Muslims.
I've gone around and around multiple times with the Fundies.....they have a ton of excuses and justification for not following the Sermon on the Mount. It would be comical if it were not so deadly and destructive.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
It is all base thought and action that is not in alignment with our true nature.
That is precisely what xtianity attempts to force onto others. They call our true nature "sinful". Then, they wonder why they constantly seek "forgiveness" for their "sins", yet they still commit those "sins" because it is in their nature to do so, which makes them think they are failures, which leads to more "repentance" blah blah blah rinse and repeat until the end of time.
How can you "triumph" over your true nature? Can a leopard change its spots?
IMO it's a maturing process. But some hang on desperately to what they thought they understood in the past, but they don't advance because they don't question. It's as if they refuse to admit that they wasted all that time on errors, because to do so is just too painful.
LaVey, from what I read, was a scumbag to people that he should have loved, and a conman to everyone else. I don't take anything he says seriously.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
I've gone around and around multiple times with the Fundies.....they have a ton of excuses and justification for not following the Sermon on the Mount. It would be comical if it were not so deadly and destructive.
Don't you know? Once you are born again and washed in the blood of Jesus (or the American military) you can do whatever you want because you are saved and no longer need to pay attention to the bible or Jesus' words.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
That is precisely what xtianity attempts to force onto others. They call our true nature "sinful". Then, they wonder why they constantly seek "forgiveness" for their "sins", yet they still commit those "sins" because it is in their nature to do so, which makes them think they are failures, which leads to more "repentance" blah blah blah rinse and repeat until the end of time.
How can you "triumph" over your true nature? Can a leopard change its spots?
Yeah. God supposedly made us in his own image and therefore must torture us in a lake of fire for eternity for behaving in the way he supposedly made us. It's like training your dog to sit and then beating him every time he does it. Makes perfect sense /s.
I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin
Sweet Jeebus! You bust your melon in rough seas or something?
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
That is precisely what xtianity attempts to force onto others
How can you "triumph" over your true nature?
No, Christians generally claim that they are simply sinful and only the grace of God through Jesus will save them. Therefore, they do not have to do anything to control, change, or take self responsibility because all sins are washed away when they ask for forgiveness. Hence, they do not need to overcome the ego in order to find a deeper nature.
By seeking it and finding it. Generally, people live their lives through their ego and the personality drives their actions--hurt, angry, sad, happy etc. People live at whims of their emotions without ever acknowleding that they have the ability to control them. People are not mindful, if they were they would know that the ego and personality are not our true nature. The true nature is deeper than this mask.
Yes, LaVey was very base.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Your appoach will not help others "see through that fraud" and that's my point. No, we are not "alike" nor do I think you should be like me. Maybe a better question would be: Do you really want to help others see through the "fraud" or is your intent simply to create strife/annimosity? If the former is what you want, change your approach. If the latter is your intent, admit it and accept that you are like the Fundies you claim to despise. : )
I like your arguments A, but I think you fundamentally misstate P's POV - the fundies are the Original Irritation, as is any group who decides they have "The Truth", and it just so happens the truth makes them your superiors.
And you are expendable if you do not agree or conform.
And you are expendable if you do not agree or conform.
Point well taken Tom. However, taking the same "my truth is only way" will not make any headway. Not that ration or reason every makes any headway either. lol
Yes, I have heard this before.....I've got one in the family.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Yes, they wanted, and stole, the gold. But they also went there to spread xtianity.
Christianity was the vehicle used to enslave the natives so that the invaders could get them to work the gold mines and anything else that involved manual labor. They didn't care about their own religion unless it furthered their aim of empire and dominion over other human beings.
C'mon now, you can't control large masses of people by telling them they're basically ok and it's all gonna be alright as long as no one freaks out.
PSUSA is capable of pointing this out himself, but if I may butt in here!
The problem IS a small group of elites trying to CONTROL large masses of people. That's what Churchianity IS all about. That is the crux of the matter.
The masses would prefer to get on with their lives, without being called sinners or being told they are evil.
Without religion, the universe would still unfold as it should, perhaps for the better. Man might even discover his inate spirituality, without the interference and control of the church. Perhaps that is what they are afraid of.
I want either less corruption or more opportunity to participate in it. Ashleigh Brilliant
No, Christians generally claim that they are simply sinful and only the grace of God through Jesus will save them. Therefore, they do not have to do anything to control, change, or take self responsibility because all sins are washed away when they ask for forgiveness. Hence, they do not need to overcome the ego in order to find a deeper nature.
In general I agree with that. That is the way it is now, for the most part. But it was a different matter in the past.
That illustrates the difference between xtianity and what's in the bible, because that is not what the bible says about "sinning".
IMO xtians don't even take their bibles seriously. I've found that atheists and satanists know more about what's in the bible than xtians do. I knew that even when I was swimming in the xtian cesspool myself, because I talked to them, and wrote to them on boards.
I dont know if all of that lack of seriousness means that the xtians in general are waking up, or whether they are in an even deeper trance.
xtians are content to let their leaders spoonfeed them. They certainly aren't going to be spoonfed scriptures like I use in my sigline.
It's impossible to generalize what they believe since it's so varied (yet all consider themselves to be "True Christians"). But IMO it is possible to see the effects of what they believe because their beliefs become actions.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
Without religion, the universe would still unfold as it should, perhaps for the better. Man might even discover his inate spirituality, without the interference and control of the church. Perhaps that is what they are afraid of.
I think you're onto something... ;)
IMO they are not just afraid of that. They are scared to death of that. Once people realize it, the "churches" power is gone.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
I've noticed that when anyone questions the truth of ideas, religion, god, and church are considered legitimate topics for debate and scrutiny. But if anyone questions the truthfulness of the bible, most people here go silent.
In other words, most people assume the bible to be the truth, and it is not legitimate to scrutinize it for truthfulness.
The people that go to bible study don't study the bible with a skeptical eye; they scrutinize it for what they believe are cryptic rules-of-thumb to live by. The underlying assumption they always hold is that the bible is the truth, and that they simply don't understand it and need to study it more to find the truth.
It's like cockroaches in a bottle, huddling around an old piece of meat, trying to find a way to survive using the meat and each other. Ecumenicalism is achievable, even between cockroaches, if they have a piece of meat to sustain them.
I've noticed that when anyone questions the truth of ideas, religion, god, and church are considered legitimate topics for debate and scrutiny.
Among some, yes. With one exception, one that calls those that disagree with him "feds", the people on this thread are capable of honest debate. But I've found that this capacity to debate and question to be the exception and not the rule among xtians. They generally limit themselves into out-doing each other by seeing who can scream "the bible is TRUE! You're of the devil!" the loudest.
Now, I might be "of the Devil" ;), but that doesn't make the bible true.
he underlying assumption they always hold is that the bible is the truth, and that they simply don't understand it and need to study it more to find the truth.
IMO that studying can cut both ways. On one hand it can reinforce the programming, especially when a "teacher" is guiding them. OTOH it can cause one to question everything in the bible, due to what is already in the bible but is ignored by their teachers.
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces.– Malachi 2.2,3. So you better give the nutty kike god some glory, goddammit!
If the bible is true, why isn't the jewish scholarly interpretation of the bible also considered the truth?
Of course, the jewish scholarly interpretation of the biblical old testament is also known as the Talmud.
If a super-smart jewish scholar rabbi says the bible says gentiles are beasts, why should a bible believer question their scholarly interpretation, unless they are a heretic?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
