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Title: “False Flag Racism,” The Internet Proxy War
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Published: Jun 12, 2011
Author: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06/11/
Post Date: 2011-06-12 09:33:26 by tom007
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“False Flag Racism,” The Internet Proxy War 29Share “Proxy Buster” Software Exposes False Flag Antisemite Spammers Tied to Spy/Terror Groups By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

An unclassified version of the software used by the FBI has allowed Veterans Today to track the IP addresses of a group of, what appeared to be, hate mongers and racists whose rhetoric borders on terrorist extremism. What we found was astounding. In one case, an individual using the email address “youdirtyfXXXingjew@XXXmail.com” was traced to the computer of the head the largest Jewish “defense” organization.

Others, reposting copyright materials without permission on extremist sites or posting comments filled with racist threats were traced to homes and public buildings in Tel Aviv or to members of Washington lobbying groups tied to Israel. Most noticeable, though the message is primitive, the syntax is flawless and often elegant. Spelling and punctuation are “spot on.”

Veterans Today editor, Jim W. Dean said;

We spend hours each week, time we could spend helping veterans, cleaning this garbage off our website. All of it is blatant and amateurish. A good friend who works for the Anti-Defamation League, an organization headed by Abe Foxman, told me that hundreds have been recruited, here in the US and more in Israel, whose job it is to seed Antisemitic material into websites that are critical of Israel’s apartheid policies. They openly joke around there how the Nazi and White Supremacist websites have been “theirs” for years.

Ex-CIA Phil Giraldi Spills the Beans on Israeli Espionage in America…by Jim W Dean

PHONY NAZI WEBSITES

For decades, no one has met a real person behind any of the supposed “skinhead” or Nazi websites. The last Nazi “parade” had 8 participants yet hundreds of anonymous screennames continually post bizarre and “dated” racist rhetoric using language learned from popular TV dramas. It didn’t take long to get to the bottom of this.

Back during the 1980s, organizations like today’s Stormfront.org were used by the FBI to track what they believed to be domestic terror threats. As 90s came to a close, the militias disbanded. The most notorious of all, the Michigan Militia, claimed they were no longer needed since their chosen candidate “George W. Bush” had assumed the presidency. The chosen candidate of the White Supremacists and Antisemites, had, according to many “militia” leaders, assumed power and Americans were safe from government intrusion, wire-tapping, illegal searches and new federal agencies imposing more restrictions.

Never has a group been so wrong, as we all know only too well now.

As the FBI moved aside, the groups claiming to protect Americans of the Jewish faith from persecution stepped in. Their intent was something else. They saw initial infiltration of White Supremacist internet groups as a broad opportunity to instill cohesion within the Jewish community by manufacturing a threat, much as Hitler had done when he blamed the Jews for Germany’s downfall in World War I.

And, of course, there was no need for a Nazi resistance when the Bush administration itself exceeded even the wildest expectations of any right wing group. Typical rhetoric out of the White House and GOP, purportedly stressing “family values” and “compassionate conservatism” was little more than thinly veiled hate mongering against Jews and African-Americans.

After 9/11, Muslims began to take on some of the heat, much to the relief of the “welfare cheats” and “left wing intellectuals”, code words for “Blacks and Jews.”

When real Nazis moved into the mainstream of the Republican Party, the groups formerly labeled extremist by the FBI became, not only acceptable but close allies of both the Bureau and the new extra-constitutional police organizations like the Department of Homeland Security.

Nazis during the Clinton Administration threatened to blow up public buildings. During the Bush administration, they became government snitches.

During the Clinton Administration, the FBI infiltrated and prosecuted these groups, under Bush they were “above the law.”

Thus, with violent extremists moving into mainstream politics, repackaged as Dominionists, “neocons” and Christian Zionists, the “skinhead” organizations would have faded away except for the fact that they had now become useful. With all members now “internet only,” anyone could claim to be anything with impunity. Without Nazis, there was no need for groups like the ADL or JDL.

With no real members, the glory of internet anonymity allowed these groups to, not just infiltrate, but totally overrun the domestic Nazi movement.

SUPPORT FOR SPY OPERATIONS

America’s Jewish community has always been allied with the Democratic party. 78% of American Jews voted for President Obama in the last election. Jews have always been the leaders of every progressive movement, forming the core of civil rights organizations, trade unions, environmental groups and organizations tied to government reform.

That had to change and 9/11 was the catalyst for that change.

Few Americans, Jewish or not, had been aware, until Wikileaks, that Israel had been closely allied with the nations it claimed were ready to “push Israel into the sea.” With the exception of Syria, every “enemy” on Israel’s borders had a repressive government that either cooperated with Tel Aviv or as with Mubarak in Egypt, took direct orders.

The concept of “poor threatened Israel,” now recognized as the 4th richest nation on earth with a military openly rated as among the “Top 583; in the world has become a hard sell.

Thus, in order to provide cover for Israeli spy operations in the United States, not only suppressing investigations and prosecutions, but to keep American Jews in a state of constant fear bordering on severe depression and paranoia, internet organizations known for their racist or Nazi ideology, became tools, not just of lobby groups like AIPAC but culpable in probable acts of treason as well.

YouTube - Veterans Today -

ANTISEMITISM

In order to support a foreign policy agenda aimed at re-colonializing the Middle East, an unholy alliance between traditional Antisemitic groups in the US and the Israel lobby had to be formed. Regions of the US where Jews had been banned from neighborhoods, from country club membership and full participation in society for generations suddenly became defenders of Israel, defenders of Israel but still, haters of Jewish Americans.

The deal was simple. America would destroy Iraq, invade Iran, destabilize Pakistan and “globalists,” the cabal of Rothschild banks, Swiss financial criminals and Wall Street thugs would rape the world of resources, starting with the Caspian Basin’s $12 trillion in hydrocarbon resources while bankrupting the United States in the process.

To sweeten the pot, a drug empire would be built in Afghanistan churning out enough dirty money to buy every “free election” in the world.

Any group or individual, any publication that exposed these operations or interfered with these plans would be tied to the Nazi organizations now run by Israeli intelligence through their ties to Jewish defense and lobbyist groups in the United States.

YouTube - Veterans Today -

FALSE FLAG

The long term agenda of this globalist organization is dependent on its ability to orchestrate tensions around the world. Its primary tool for this is terrorism, blamed on long dead, now even deader still, Osama bin Laden and the imaginary “Disneyesque” Al Qaeda terror organization, a fabrication of the US Department of Justice back during the 1990s.

The attacks now either proven as false flag or highly likely include:

9/11 7/7 London The Alexandria, Egypt church bombing The Mumbai attack The USS Cole attack Car bombings in Iraq (several hundred) Terror attacks in Iran Terror attacks in Pakistan (several hundred) Attacks on American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan (some)

Since 2001, charges of Antisemitism have been leveled against anyone exposing Israel’s role, be it primary or secondary, in the planning and execution of these attacks. Nazi organizations under the control of groups allied to Israel have played an important part in this, and in doing so, have been fully complicit in terror attacks responsible for the deaths of many thousands around the world.

Thus, when publications like VeteransToday report on spy operations against the United States, it quickly attracts the attention of the network of organizations tasked with undermining America’s free press. In the case of Veterans Today, the absolute top echelon of the propaganda and disinformation world takes this on as his personal task, little knowing that a publication run by retired intelligence officers can punch through a $10 per month proxy server in seconds.

Again we find the most heinous and vicious Antisemitic rhetoric emanating from the email account of a close friend of Israel’s prime minister.

And so it goes….

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#1. To: tom007, christine, wudidiz, farmfriend, CadetD, randge, Kamala, genghis gandhi, IrishThatcherite, all (#0)

As I'm sure you've noticed I've been pointing this out for a long time - well predating both my time posting here and on El Pee. Much of the more virulent racist commentary, here and elsewhere, is done by various forms of provocateurs, plants, shills, and hasbara.

I first noticed it and really began to be able to pick it out when I was posting on the old Liberty Forum. The place was crawling with Zionist shills who were there to disrupt discussion and criticism of the criminal behavior of the State of Israel. By creating an aura of hate it is their intent to discredit legitimate criticism and outrage over Israeli hate and war crimes. Criminals will often do that i.e., accuse others of the very crimes of which they are guilty. In their convoluted irrational reasoning this is done in the hopes of distracting others from their crimes.

Another good example is Stormfront which I am convinced is a false front "hate" site aimed at creating an impression of hate and active Nazi behavior where there is little or any. I found it very revealing when Cindy Sheehan was conducting her vigil outside of Duhbya's fake ranch in Crawford, TX that the head of Stormfront showed up to "lend his support" - the attempt really being to discredit her by creating an association in the minds of others between Cindy's principled protest and an alleged Neo-Nazi hate site.

Let there be no doubt that there are others engaging in the same type of internet tactics e.g., the Feral Bureau of Instigation. With a little bit of practice you can almost always pick them out. They generally all share certain characteristics in their posting. The most blatant is usually just general "over-the-top" racist and anti-Jewish rants. Usually they are made as explicit as possible using as many offensive terms as possible. And missing from their arguments will be any form of solid foundational logic or facts. Generalizations will be used frequently to associate all members of some group with the behavior of SOME members of that group. Usually their posting history will show that they are averse to providing supporting facts for their rants. As pointed out in the article they will usually be quite literate and not at all like the real run of the mill hardcore racist - semi-literate and ignorant.

No, long ago the different interest groups, governments and government affiliated groups mainly, set out to disrupt free speech which they did not have the legal authority to outright suppress. It has had a moderate amount of effectiveness but savvy people have begun to get wise to the tactic and so we thus see increasing attempts to create a pretext to eliminate free speech on the internet. Those who operate in the shadows fear most people shining a light on them.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-12   11:05:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tom007 (#0)

Global Babel is alive and flourishing to such a degree that truth has been spun like a whirlwind or tornado into oblivion.

"Government is the only agency that can take a valuable commodity like paper, slap some ink on it, and make it totally worthless"

Ludwig von Mises.

noone222  posted on  2011-06-12   11:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, All (#1)

Ping - should have flagged you to this in the first place but I spaced it and had already hit post when I had a "duh-oh" moment. ;-)

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-12   11:54:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#1)

PSUSA comes to mind. Btw, ain't seen much of him lately.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2011-06-12   13:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Obnoxicated, Original_Intent (#4)

Yeah, the nigger-baiting gets really tedious. We all of us share this country, and we have to get along somehow.

When the forum Latest Comments are painted with this stuff on a daily basis, it's easy for the enemy to pigeon hole this place as an outlet for anti-social venom. I believe that's precisely why such posters work this place.

Professed Satan worship should be a red flag to the wise.

It is a violation of Natural Law to use this document in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

randge  posted on  2011-06-12   17:17:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Eric Stratton, randge, 4 (#5)

Yeah, the nigger-baiting gets really tedious. We all of us share this country, and we have to get along somehow.

Big amen to that.

Prolly why Swarthy Guy no longer participates here.

And who knows how many others?

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is still missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-06-12   17:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Obnoxicated (#4)

PSUSA comes to mind. Btw, ain't seen much of him lately.

I kept pointing out that he's most likely a Fed and I think he finally gave up on trying to resurrect his cover.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-12   18:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Lod, Kamala, DeaconBenjamin, randge, christine, all (#6)

Prolly why Swarthy Guy no longer participates here.

Who was a very sharp poster. I miss his voice. Getting BSUSA in exchange was nowhere near an equal trade. Kind of like swapping a Mercedes for Yugo.

I would guess that is one of the reasons the finance crowd - Kamala, Deacon Benjamin, et.al., went somewhere else.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-12   18:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Original_Intent (#8)

I would guess that is one of the reasons the finance crowd - Kamala, Deacon Benjamin, et.al., went somewhere else.

Not that I ever brought that much to the finance thread, but I surely miss it.

What's it been now, a couple of years or more?

(Time-telling is no longer my long suit.)

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is still missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-06-12   18:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod (#9)

I didn't participate in it very often but it did add another dimension to the forum - and occasionally we'd get crossovers both ways. I think a little less than 2 years, but not by much.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-12   18:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tom007 (#0)

This needs to be re-posted on every forum possible.

Jack  posted on  2011-06-12   19:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: randge (#5)

Yeah, the nigger-baiting gets really tedious. We all of us share this country, and we have to get along somehow.

I am so glad to hear this. We have real race problems and real class problems but unless we want to go the Zionist route, we need to integrate our social habits and economies to a "fair" system.

At least a attempt towards a "fairer" system.

I run a liquor store, we accept anyone who walks in the door, usually.

Most of my blacks customers are as pleasant as they can be. I like them.

But facts are facts. In twenty two years we have endured three armed robberies.

All were B.

Facts are facts.

Many Blacks in the US were slaves until recently, and their enslavement caused a horrific holocaust to their social family structure - DUH.

England outlawed slavery in 1836.

Look at there intelligent, cultured black Britans now.

Some of them anyway. It is a messy problem.

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tom007  posted on  2011-06-12   22:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent (#1)

Those who operate in the shadows fear most people shining a light on the

Remember this.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2011-06-12   22:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#1)

Best clue of a troll saboteur is his/her avoidance mention/emphasis that Israel is an illegal state.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2011-06-13   3:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tom007 (#12)

We have real race problems and real class problems but unless we want to go the Zionist route, we need to integrate our social habits and economies to a "fair" system.

At least a attempt towards a "fairer" system.

You, as a supporter and voter for Obama, please tell us your thoughts on the implementation of a "fair" integration of our social habits and economies regarding our black brethren?

"Now more than ever, we need access to the crucial authorities in the Patriot Act"

- Attorney General Eric Holder

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-06-13   8:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tatarewicz (#14)

Best clue of a troll saboteur is his/her avoidance mention/emphasis that Israel is an illegal state.

Let's not forget those who paint others trolls, saboteurs and FBI agents absent any proof other than their dislike for their personal politics, especially regarding race.

"Now more than ever, we need access to the crucial authorities in the Patriot Act"

- Attorney General Eric Holder

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-06-13   8:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: All (#16) (Edited)

For decades, no one has met a real person behind any of the supposed “skinhead” or Nazi websites.

Ping Ping Ping

Here's the gist of this article. I don't think it's a good idea for us to accuse an individual who posts here of being an agent without proof. It's a smear that once leveled is difficult, if not impossible, to overcome. I know because I have been the recipient of it myself over the years posting on forums.

I've reached the age where everything used to better, even if it wasn't.

christine  posted on  2011-06-13   14:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: randge (#5)

on the other side of that, is the kowtowing to Political Correctness which, imo, is more insidious.

I've reached the age where everything used to better, even if it wasn't.

christine  posted on  2011-06-13   14:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: tom007 (#12)

We have real race problems and real class problems but unless we want to go the Zionist route, we need to integrate our social habits and economies to a "fair" system.

and how do we do that? history proves that any country/government who has tried has failed miserably. you can't legislate fairness or morality or even equality. the fact of the matter is, life isn't fair and those who expect it are deluding themselves to think that it ever will be.

I've reached the age where everything used to better, even if it wasn't.

christine  posted on  2011-06-13   14:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine, tom007, all (#19)

I think fairness in this sense is nothing more than all being treated equally before the law - so far as government goes. The other is that you simply cannot legislate morality and ethics. Fairness and decency, if we wish to liver to a higher standard of civilization, requires us, as individuals, to rise above hatred and prejudice.

You can't make the world "fair" (particularly since what constitutes fair varies from one to another). However, that doesn't prevent us from trying to live up to the golden rule. It does not prevent us from creating a more "just" society based on live and let live. I may not like the behavior of some other person, but as long as they are not infringing upon another's liberty in a free society they are free to engage in things I disapprove of personally.

Yes, some people are jerks and assholes. (And some ethnic cultures have tried to make that a virtue.) So be it. However, that doesn't require us to live down to their low standards. It does not require that we give in to irrational impulses to dislike another because of their speech, skin color or religion. I find that in my own life I have had to work hard at overcoming those impulses, and have not been 100% successful, but I am trying.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-13   14:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)

I think fairness in this sense is nothing more than all being treated equally before the law - so far as government goes.

Whites aren't. See affirmative action. As to what 007 means, I'll wait for his response as it's nothing more than a PC sounding ball of shite from where I sit.

"Now more than ever, we need access to the crucial authorities in the Patriot Act"

- Attorney General Eric Holder

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-06-13   14:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#20)

I may not like the behavior of some other person, but as long as they are not infringing upon another's liberty in a free society they are free to engage in things I disapprove of personally.

i wholeheartedly agree.

when government is involved, it's institutional racism forced upon us. i believe currently it's whites who are suffering the negative effects and oppression.

I've reached the age where everything used to better, even if it wasn't.

christine  posted on  2011-06-13   17:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: tom007 (#12)

Many Blacks in the US were slaves until recently

Recently? It was about 150 years ago, not recent at all.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-06-13   17:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: tom007 (#0) (Edited)

Again we find the most heinous and vicious Antisemitic rhetoric emanating from the email account of a close friend of Israel’s prime minister.

This has two purposes it appears. One, find those who agree with their comments. Two, make it appear anyone that posts anything critical of Judaism and Jews is suspected of being an agent for Israel.

Facts though can't be ignored. The Talmud is Judaism's most sacred book. Most Jews teach it to their kids and follow it regardless what type of Jew they are. The Talmud is a book of hate. These facts can't be ignored or swept under the rug by cries of Anti-Semitism or being an agent for Israel.

The fact that Israel attacked the USS Liberty can't be ignored.

The fact that the current prime minister of Israel said the attacks of 9/11 were, "very good for Israel", can't be ignored.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-06-13   17:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine (#22)

when government is involved, it's institutional racism forced upon us. i believe currently it's whites who are suffering the negative effects and oppression. That is another reason why I refuse to play the "hate game".

And I think that is intentional so as to create resentment and increase stress on people. It's a PsyOp to keep us divided among ourselves to keep us split up into mutually warring groups. Divide and conquer.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-13   18:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#25) (Edited)

You assume without this ongoing government racial "PsyOp", which keeps us divided, the races would live among each other being as happy as clams at the bottom the ocean. Can you point to a freely interacting, first world functioning 50% black/white nation anywhere? I contend people, if given the option, will choose to be with people like themselves. Such is the origin of the word nation -
na·tion/ÈnSHYn/Noun 1. A large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. I further contend that the most advanced civilizations have been homogeneous. That isn't to say white, it's to say homogeneous, as in the power structure was/is that of a nation.

"Now more than ever, we need access to the crucial authorities in the Patriot Act"

- Attorney General Eric Holder

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-06-13   18:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

I further contend that the most advanced civilizations have been homogeneous. That isn't to say white, it's to say homogeneous, as in the power structure was/is that of a nation.

To say otherwise, would prove you to be a total and complete jackass.

Thanks for boiling it down.

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is still missing its idiot.

Lod  posted on  2011-06-13   18:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Original_Intent (#20)

You can't make the world "fair" (particularly since what constitutes fair varies from one to another). However, that doesn't prevent us from trying to live up to the golden rule. It does not prevent us from creating a more "just" society based on live and let live.

We have to try, personally, corporately and governmentally.

And be aware some do not follow this enlightened vision.

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tom007  posted on  2011-06-13   19:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: tom007 (#28)

And be aware some do not follow this enlightened vision.

Sadly so. People have a lot of irrational quirks and viewing anyone who doesn't look exactly like them as an enemy and an inferior is one of them. However, I choose to disagree with that view and encourage others to seek to put aside the parochialism and xenophobia. It makes for a much nicer place to live.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-13   20:15:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: tom007 (#28)

You can't make the world "fair" (particularly since what constitutes fair varies from one to another). However, that doesn't prevent us from trying to live up to the golden rule. It does not prevent us from creating a more "just" society based on live and let live.

******

******

We have to try, personally, corporately and governmentally.

And be aware some do not follow this enlightened vision.

Specifically, what do "we" have to try, personally, corporately and governmentally?

"Now more than ever, we need access to the crucial authorities in the Patriot Act"

- Attorney General Eric Holder

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-06-13   20:45:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Lod (#27)

Thank you, Lod.

"Now more than ever, we need access to the crucial authorities in the Patriot Act"

- Attorney General Eric Holder

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-06-13   20:46:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#29)

And be aware some do not follow this enlightened vision.

Sadly so. People have a lot of irrational quirks and viewing anyone who doesn't look exactly like them as an enemy and an inferior is one of them. However, I choose to disagree with that view and encourage others to seek to put aside the parochialism and xenophobia. It makes for a much nicer place to live.

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Fliers rile residents of Anson, Madison ; The paper rails against what it calls 'the failed social experiment of multiculturalism.'


Portland Press Herald (Portland, ME) ; May 28, 2010; ERIN RHODA By ERIN RHODA Morning Sentinel; 668 words ...paper rails against what it calls 'the failed social experiment of multiculturalism.'Byline: ERIN RHODA By ERIN RHODA...communities have fallen victim to the failed social experiment of multiculturalism. Too long have we stood by and stoically...

Failed multiculturalism behind rise of Muslim radicalisation in Britain: Cameron


The Hindustan Times; February 5, 2011; 408 words Different cultures are encouraged to live apart, and objectionable views met with "passive tolerance", he will say. Cameron would also indicate a tougher action against some Muslim groups who receive public money, but do little to tackle extremism, the BBC reports. Besides, he will urge ministers

Cameron stands by 'failed multiculturalism' comments despite Muslim backlash


The Hindustan Times; February 7, 2011; 452 words Justice Secretary Sadiq Khan had accused Cameron of "writing propaganda for the English Defence League," while Muslim groups said he was attempting to "rip communities apart", The Independent reports. Cameron, however, defended his views, saying: "You have to confront the extremism itself. You have

Has multiculturalism failed? And as a feminist, are you proud of Mrs Thatcher?


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Cameron says British multiculturalism has failed.


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Why the dogma of multiculturalism has failed Britain.


Daily Mail (London); July 8, 2006; 700+ words Byline: JAMES SLACK MULTICULTURALISM has failed because people refuse to...law. The authors said multiculturalism is a dead concept but has...work, said: 'We believe multiculturalism has failed. It was a concept and...

'Politicians to blame for fanning cultural flames' Prime Minister David Cameron believes ''state multiculturalism'' has failed in the UK- but how is the concept faring in Birmingham? As part of a news series, the Birmingham Post will seek the views of key city figures. Here Matt Lloyd speaks to Dr Mohammed Naseem, chairman of the Birmingham Central Mosque.(News)


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Merkel says Germany's multiculturalism "utterly failed"


Xinhua News Agency; October 18, 2010; 324 words ...says Germany's multiculturalism "utterly failed" BERLIN, Oct...society had "utterly failed." Merkel's remarks...said the concept of multiculturalism, long championed...with each other has failed, utterly failed...

HAS MULTICULTURALISM FAILED IN EUROPE?


States News Service; February 17, 2011; 593 words ...from across Europe and denounced multiculturalism as a failure and the cause of home...a European politician has slammed multiculturalism. This recent flame of criticism...those who have spoken out against multiculturalism lately have accompanied their remarks...

CAMERON CALLS FOR 'MUSCULAR LIBERALISM; PM declares 'multiculturalism has failed in the UK'.(News)


Sunday Mercury (Birmingham, England) ; February 6, 2011; 700+ words ...CATHERINE LILLINGTON DAVID Cameron has declared that multiculturalism has failed in the UK and called for a "muscular liberalism...of 20,000 today - a sign, he said, that multiculturalism had worked. He added: "We do gel with the...

They say; Multiculturalism has failed - Enoch was right


Waikato Times; March 11, 2011; Michael COX; 700+ words ...merging of the races in the short term. German Chancellor Angela Merkel recently said that in her country "multiculturalism has failed utterly". She added: "It is an illusion that Germans and foreign workers can live happily side by side...

Roundup: European powers say multiculturalism policy failed


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Germany's Angela Merkel: Multiculturalism has 'utterly failed'.(Blog entry)


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Multiculturalism has 'utterly failed' ; Letters


Express & Echo (Exeter UK) ; October 20, 2010; 400 words ...speaking for Britain when she admitted that multiculturalism in her country had "utterly failed". Values and cultures are so different across...Throughout Europe, ruling political elites have failed to get to grips with a happy bonding between...

Germany forced to confront its ' Multikulti' dilemma ; Angela Merkel's claim that multiculturalism had ^utterly failed' has put her country's attitudes to immigration in the spotlight, reports John F Jungclaussen


The Sunday Telegraph London; October 24, 2010; John F Jungclaussen David Wroe; 700+ words ...that the vision of a multicultural Germany has "utterly failed." These comments came in a speech last weekend to a conference...There never really was an immigration policy, let alone a multiculturalism policy," he adds. "After 50 years, many Germans still...

Multiculturalism has failed: Nicolas Sarkozy


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Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-06-13   21:03:31 ET  (19 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#29)

People have a lot of irrational quirks and viewing anyone who doesn't look exactly like them as an enemy

People have a rational dislike of people who don't ACT like them as the enemy.

You can stow the PC crap and take it to canada.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-06-13   23:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Original_Intent (#29)

People have a lot of irrational quirks and viewing anyone who doesn't look exactly like them as an enemy and an inferior is one of them.

You are criticizing Jews here without even knowing it, you anti-Semite you. lol

You are calling Jews irrational because they go by a book that says they are the only true humans and everybody else is just an animal in human form to serve Jews.

Yes they are irrational! They are also just plain evil!

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-06-14   0:13:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Original_Intent (#29)

However, I choose to disagree with that view and encourage others to seek to put aside the parochialism and xenophobia.

I dare you to fly over to Israel and preach that at an IDF-checkpoint on the Gaza strip :p

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X-15  posted on  2011-06-14   0:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: X-15 (#35)

I'm not saying it does not exist I am simply positing what I regard as the ideal scene. Man has to rise above this petty squabbling over "mine's bigger than yours" or man will not be around very much longer.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-14   0:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: RickyJ (#34)

Yes they are irrational! They are also just plain evil!

Evil IS irrational. C. S. Lewis termed it, in "The Screwtape Letters", the "ultimate banality of evil". In the end being evil is stupid. It is counterproductive and in the end equally destroys the person who is being evil.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-14   0:33:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Original_Intent (#37)

"The Screwtape Letters",

Christyinsanity at it's finest.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor" - Ronald Reagan

Flintlock  posted on  2011-06-14   0:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Flintlock (#33)

People have a rational dislike of people who don't ACT like them as the enemy.

In what way is it rational?

Your emotional reaction is illogical. You are assuming that your personal prejudices are universal truths.

I see nothing in evidence to support that.

There is nothing "PC" about having respect for the dignity and rights of others. I do not make a fetish of lauding or apologizing the bad actions of others because of some silly multicultural schlock. However, because I reject making apologies for bad behavior does not require me to hate nor does it require of me that I go off about wanting to punish or kill everyone who I disagree with or who disagrees with me.

You are making a false assumption about my attitudes and opinions filtering them through a lens of your own device.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-14   0:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Flintlock (#38)

One need not agree with everything C. S. Lewis writ to find his wisdom and wit illuminating.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-06-14   0:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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