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Title: Who here DOESN'T know the Federal Gas tax, approx . 18 cents per gallon EXPIRED on Sep 30?
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Published: Oct 10, 2011
Author: itistoolate
Post Date: 2011-10-10 11:21:10 by Itistoolate
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Views: 16688
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#1. To: Itistoolate (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-10   11:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eric Stratton (#1) (Edited)

It means you don't have to pay 18 cents on every gallon you buy. Neither does anyone else.

DUH

knowledgecenter.csg.org/k...x-set-expire-september-30

Itistoolate  posted on  2011-10-10   11:33:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Itistoolate (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-10   11:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Itistoolate (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-10   11:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#4)

unfortunately you're pro right

Itistoolate  posted on  2011-10-10   11:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Itistoolate (#0)

Prior to clicking I didn't know.......but now I feel duped knowing that I filled my tank yesterday and it was still $3.60 a gallon. I didn't feel duped until you brought this to my attention Itistoolate.. Derb nub it!

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-10   12:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Itistoolate (#5)

I did notice a nice drop several days ago, but thought it due to lower oil prices.

Thanks for the info.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-10-10   12:25:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: abraxas (#6)

We're down to the mid $3.20s in places here.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-10-10   12:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Lod (#8)

We're down to the mid $3.20s in places here.

And you have to rub it in on the $3.60 serfs. That's not nice Loddy. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-10   12:32:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Itistoolate (#0)

I was wondering why it dropped from $3.93 a gallon to $3.73. Now I know why...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   12:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker (#10)

You noticed a twenty cent drop in one day?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-10   12:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Itistoolate (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-10   13:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lod (#7)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-10   13:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Eric Stratton (#3)

Have they stopped collecting it at the retail level?

I have not seen the price go down at the pump at all.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-10-10   17:37:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: FormerLurker (#10) (Edited)

$3.93 a gallon to $3.73.

That just might explain it. But, since I do not drive right now, I do not keep track of the prices.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2011-10-10   17:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BTP Holdings (#15)

you don't drive?

how old are you?

do a search for Federal gas tax

Itistoolate  posted on  2011-10-10   17:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eric Stratton (#12)

What do you mean "pro right?" ... pro GOP?

lol......probably right.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-10-10   17:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Itistoolate (#0) (Edited)

i got to admit it's pretty comical that nobody wants to face the facts of peak oil.

too bad that, once you accept the fact of peak oil, you can make sense of everything.

on the other hand, given jesus' capabilities (fishes and loaves, water into wine, etc), maybe we shouldnt have bothered with all this PNAC horseshit.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   18:02:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lead.and.lag, Itistoolate (#18)

So-called "Peak Oil" is not a fact it is a PsyOp.

We have no shortage of oil.

We do have a shortage of honesty on energy production - with suppressed technology, capped oil fields, etc., ...

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-10   18:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#19)

AGREED

Itistoolate  posted on  2011-10-10   18:22:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#19) (Edited)

"Peak Oil" is not a fact it is a PsyOp.

oilcompanies are spending billions of extra dollars drilling 200 miles offshore when they could be drilling the abiotically refilling oilfields in texas.

sure

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   18:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: lead.and.lag (#21)

oilcompanies are spending billions of extra dollars drilling 200 miles offshore when they could be drilling the abiotically refilling oilfields in texas.

sure

A. Advertising. Got to make the dog and pony show look real. The major oil companies are NOT in the OIL business they are in the Oil SHORTAGE business. Restricted production = higher prices and profit margins.

B. Who said they have to drill fields that are refilling? Although they ARE refilling. Are there even more dead dinosaurs than we thought?

But that's all right sssssitisen. Go back to sleep. Fuuuball is on tonight. Don' wanna miss fuuuuball do you? And don't forget Unca' wants you to get your "B vitamins" by drinking plenty of Spud.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-10   19:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#22) (Edited)

there are lots of reasons to deny peak oil.

it's just too bad that, once you factor peak oil into the current situation, everything makes sense.

you'd prefer to pile conspiracy on top of conspiracy, while i think that the PNAC conspiracy, documented, is quite enough.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   19:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lead.and.lag (#23)

it's just too bad that, once you factor peak oil into the current situation, everything makes sense.

Oh, it does absolutely.

If you are trying to control a large mass of people you need to have a handle on them. That handle can be either overt, through force, or covert through information control thus manipulating what people perceive to be reality. Documentarian James Burke pointed out some interesting stuff in his book and documentary "The Day The Universe Changed". One of the more interesting points was right on page one of his book: "What you see is determined by what you know." So, what a person "sees" and perceives as reality is to no small degree a result of what they know. It gives them a framework to understand the world around them. That is why for centuries everyone "knew" that the sun revolved around the earth.

The philospher Wittgenstein had some fun with that one, and this is anecdotal. Confronted by the question, "Weren't those ancients so silly and stupid to think the Sun revolved around the Earth rather than the Earth around the Sun?

To which Wittgenstein thoughtfully replied, "Yes, but I wonder how it would have looked if it did?"

The point being of course that to the observer on the ground it would have looked exactly the same.

So, if you control access to information, the types of information which people are allowed to know and are promoted, etc., you can shape public perception by presenting information which creates the desired conclusions and viewpoint. Basic PsyOps that.

So, if someone "knows" that pink oil is real then that is what they see and interpret out of the controlled news reports which themsleves in turn serve to reinforce the desired behavior and set of perceptions/interpretations of data.

Therefore it follows that if someone is fed something false then any conclusion based on false data will itself be false. If you know that 1+1=3 then you will always have the wrong answer, and never know it because you KNOW that 1+1=3 so your answer HAS to be right since it is based on what you believe to be a fact.

Personally, I prefer to get my information ad data from reliable sources rather than ABCNNBCBS-FAUX NOOZE.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-10   19:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent (#24)

too bad that the common sense of the situation will wipe out a bunch of Wittgenstein.

too bad that the primary deniers of peak oil are allies of israel.

too bad israel is concerned enough about peak oil to mount the 9/11 operation.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   19:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: lead.and.lag (#25)

And the proof for your far-fetched speculations is?

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-10   19:36:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#26)

crude oil and lease condensate production has been flat for the last five years.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   19:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Original_Intent (#26) (Edited)

i got to say that, as an oregonian in my heart, i'm ashamed of you.

but we dont really know if you're an oregonian, and we have to accept the fact that there must been an abundance or loons in oregon. just like everywhere

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   19:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lead.and.lag (#27)

No new refineries have been built in at least 30 years. Interesting isn't it that "Oilman Bush" blocked the permits that were applied for by independents to build new refineries? Interesting too in that the environmental groups that oppose new drilling and refineries are largely supported by old OIL money family foundations who stand to profit quite well by blocking new production and thus keeping prices up.

That is a very telling datum.

If you have a shortage of product in a "free market" which is resulting in monopolistic pricing why would you block the introduction of new production capacity?

Why would you cap off and keep out of production the massive find at Gull Island, Alaska? Oh, and it was recently proven that Venezuela's offshore fields measure in the TRILLIONS of barrels. What a shortage! Why we might run out sometime around 2340. That is before we consider the cold fusion technology being developed in Italy, or the rumors of suppressed energy production technology in the American black budget world.

Interesting what a few "obscure" (meaning never reported by "Pills" or the Talking Heads) datums will do for your perceptions of reality.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-10-10   19:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#29) (Edited)

if the crude oil supply is gonna decline , why would oil companies spend billions of dollars building new refineries?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   19:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#29) (Edited)

the critical thing, when it comes to denying peak oil, is israel's awareness of peak oil... that awareness would lead to israel's motive to stage the 9/11 operation.

so... if you're gonna protect israel, you'd deny peak oil

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   20:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent, All (#29)

Obama Picks Gas Tax For First Round Of Fiscal Fight | Fox News

"31 Aug 2011 ... President Obama wants Congress to quickly pass an unconditioned extension of the federal gasoline tax, which is set to expire at the end of the ..."

www.foxnews.com/politics/...first-round-fiscal-fight/

Itistoolate  posted on  2011-10-10   20:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: abraxas (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-10-10   20:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: FormerLurker (#10)

it went from $3.95 to $3.50 here.

Itistoolate  posted on  2011-10-10   20:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: abraxas (#11)

You noticed a twenty cent drop in one day?

No, but it went from 3.93 down to 3.75 in one day, then from 3.75 down to 3.73 in a day or two after that..


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   21:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lead.and.lag (#23)

Do you really believe that petroleum comes from dinosaurs?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   21:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: FormerLurker (#36) (Edited)

Do you really believe that petroleum comes from dinosaurs?

oh, for sure

FormerLurker, another confirmed loon

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   21:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Itistoolate (#34)

it went from $3.95 to $3.50 here.

We were up to about $4.05 for super, now it's down to $3.75. I can't use regular in my car so I never keep track of the price for regular gas.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   21:14:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lead.and.lag (#37)

FormerLurkerm, another proven loon

Hey Mr. comedian, do you have anything intelligent to say, or are you just here to be an asshole?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   21:15:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FormerLurker (#38) (Edited)

my prices were regular

watch the Fox video here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/31/obama-picks-gas-tax-for-first-round-fiscal-fight/

Itistoolate  posted on  2011-10-10   21:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: FormerLurker (#39)

you just here to be an asshole

want to explain what chemtrails are for?

are they to kill billions of people, or are they to stave off global warming,which which will kill billions of peole?

why are alex jones fans so fucking stupid?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   21:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lead.and.lag (#37)

So Einstein, do you care to explain how dinosaurs can turn into petroleum, and in such huge quantities that it can power mankind for close to a century so far in terms of transportation, clothing, plastics, and a wide array of chemicals, and longer than that in terms of heating and lighting?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   21:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FormerLurker (#42) (Edited)

anygody that trots out the dinosaur argueemnt is a cretin.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   21:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lead.and.lag (#41)

want to explain what chemtrails are for?

So you're trying to state that petroleum really comes from chemtrails? What are you smoking dude? I bet you think the Easter Bunny lays all the eggs that make it to market too right?

why are alex jones fans so fucking stupid?

Are you one of them, because I'm certainly not a "fan" of his. Try again idiot.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   21:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lead.and.lag (#43)

anygody that trots out the dinosaur arguemnt is a cretin.

Try spell check next time.

Anyways, where do YOU think petroleum comes from then, eh?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   21:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: FormerLurker (#44)

you're in the same category as original intent.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   21:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: lead.and.lag (#46)

you're in the same category as original intent.

Uh huh.

So THAT'S your "argument" eh? I say you're in the same category as Dick Cheney. So take THAT.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   21:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: FormerLurker (#45)

the critical question remains: why are you defending israel by denying its motive to stage 9/11?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   21:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lead.and.lag (#48)

Neither Israel nor the NWO care about peak oil. They care about money, power, and the ability to control governments.

Sale of petroluem is a means, not a raison etre.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   21:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: FormerLurker (#49)

the ability to control government hinges on the ability to control oil.

what is your motive in denying that oil production has flatlined for the last five or six years?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   21:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lead.and.lag (#50) (Edited)

the ability to control government hinges on the ability to control oil.

The ability to control government and the world in general hings on the ability to control ENERGY, its production, and use. Oil is just the most "rewarding" form of energy for those who own and control the oil fields and refineries.

what is your motive in denying that oil production has flatlined for the last five or six years?

What is YOUR motive in trying to sell the idea of peak oil? And again I ask you, how do YOU think oil came to be in the first place?

Production can easily be artificially capped in order to raise profits. And you haven't shown how that is not the case.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   21:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: FormerLurker (#51)

what is your motive in denying oil production has flatlined for the last five or six years?

why do you refuse to anwswer the question?

are you protecting israel?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   21:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: FormerLurker (#51)

why does israel need protection from tthe idea of peak oil?

could peak oil have been israel's motive for staging the 9/11 attacks?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   21:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: lead.and.lag (#52)

Hey pal, learn to read, I DID answer your question. Production can easily be capped in order to raise profits. It's much more profitable to sell less for more than to keep producing more and selling for less.

Now, when will you answer MY questions, or is it that you don't have any valid answers to those questions?

Who are YOU protecting? Haliburton? Mobil, EXXON, BP, etc.?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   21:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lead.and.lag (#53)

could peak oil have been israel's motive for staging the 9/11 attacks?

Nope, there were MANY other reasons for 9/11. Look up PNAC for ONE such piece of information as to ONE of the reasons WHY it happened.

Look up the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, TSA, for more pieces of the puzzle.

And oh yeah, don't forget about all those who profit from the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Finally, look up the 2.2 TRILLION DOLLARS that sort of "went missing" as reported by Donald Rumsfeld on 9/10/2001.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   22:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: FormerLurker (#54)

the logic is there.

PNAC needed a new pearl harbor, and they got it.

PNAC partners, exxon, have been making record profits.

PNAC is a front organization for israel.

wwhy are you denying israel's motive to stage 9/11?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   22:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: FormerLurker (#55) (Edited)

it's motive, means, and opportunity, isnt it?

the PNAC people demonstrated motive when the said they needed a new pearl harbor.

netanyahu demonstrated motive when he said the 9/11 attacks were "very good".

neocon cheney said that oil supply would fail to keep up with demand.

plaease explain why you are defending israel.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   22:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: lead.and.lag (#56)

why are you denying israel's motive to stage 9/11?

You have to understand that Israel is but a creation of those who control THIS country, and they are more than likely not even US citizens. In fact, I'd say most of them are European.

In terms of who profits the most, it isn't Israel. They were certainly HAPPY that it happened and may have helped out, but they didnt' plan the attacks or execute them.

If there were no direct US government involvement, then the fact is, even with the degree of corruption which exists at the highest echelons of this government, we would have gone to war against Israel if there was any evidence at all that Israel was the culprit behind the attacks.

Just as with the USS Liberty, Israel was given the green light if they were in fact involved at the operational level in 9/11. And that green light came from the same people who gave Johnson the order to pull back the air support that was on its way to defend the Liberty against an act of war.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   22:17:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: lead.and.lag (#57)

neocon cheney said that oil supply would fail to keep up with demand.

And Tricky Dick Cheney ALWAYS tells us the truth, eh? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   22:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: FormerLurker (#58) (Edited)

c'mon

it's time for you explain why you are defending israel by denying that israel had motive to stage 9/11.

if you cant do that in plain english, then we'll know that you're firmly in the same category as original intent... a limited hangout bullshitter in defense of israel.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   22:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: lead.and.lag (#57)

And BTW, your premise that Israel carried out the 9/11 attacks due to "peak oil" doesn't make any sense whatsoever. In terms of the Israeli government, their motive would have been to expand Israel's borders and "get rid" of Saddam Hussein as a bonus. That, and they have a LOT more free weapons and billions of dollars from the US taxpayer as a result of any "war against Islam", which is what this "war on terror" is really about.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   22:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: FormerLurker (#61) (Edited)

israel must be secured, by grabbing the high ground in the west bank and subduing its neighbors, before its american protection expires from oil shortages.

makes all the sense in the world.

the only people that say they cant see the sense of it are protectors of israel.

why are you pprotecting israel?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   22:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: lead.and.lag (#60)

why you are defending israel by denying that israel had motive to stage 9/11

I am not doing any such thing idiot. Learn to read what is written, rather than what you fabricate in your own mind.

Now answer THESE questions or STFU;

  1. Why are you insisting that Israel would even be interested in "peak oil"?
  2. How do you think oil came to exist in the first place?
  3. Who are YOU protecting? So far you appear to be protecting those corrupt individuals within OUR own government who were involved in the attacks. Why is that?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   22:28:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lead.and.lag (#62)

before its american protection expires from oil shortages.

That doesn't make any sense. We do not protect them by oil, we give them weapons and large amounts of money each year. They have nuclear weapons remember, so they don't even really NEED our protection.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   22:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FormerLurker (#63)

if israel needs to secure itself before its american protector expires from high oil prices, then what?

9/11?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   22:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: lead.and.lag (#65)

Care to answer the questions I asked, or are you just going to evade them totally?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   22:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: FormerLurker (#64) (Edited)

how far are you prepared to continue this?

because the logic becomes more apparent with every post we make: you are protecting israel by denying peak oil, and i am demonstrating you're a limiited hangout protector of israel.

then there's massive previous evidence that you're a nitwit.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   22:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: lead.and.lag (#67) (Edited)

It's obvious that you have no argument, just accusations and ad hominems. You have no proof that peak oil is even a legitimate concern, and can't even tell me where you think oil comes from in the first place.

I've even given reasons WHY Israel might be involved with the attacks, yet you repeat the same mantra like a broken record, "why are you protecting israel by denying peak oil", even though there is no evidence whatsoever that peak oil is even taking place, or that it would somehow benefit Israel or cause it to attack America.

So when all else fails, refuse to give any rational answer (or nor answer at all) to very straightforward and legitimate questions, then call people names.

Yeah, you're a real piece of work.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   22:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: lead.and.lag (#67)

then there's massive previous evidence that you're a nitwit.

I think it's clear to most people here that you are an agent provocateur. So who pays your salary, eh?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   22:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: FormerLurker (#68) (Edited)

You have no proof that peak oil is even a legitimate concern,

please post crude oil and lease condensate production since 9/11. please post the logic behind exxon signing on with the PNAC neocons, and exxon's subsequent record profits.

please explain why, the more you post, the more you seem to be a limited hangout defender of israel.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   22:45:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: lead.and.lag (#70)

Oil companies profit when they hold back production and raise prices.

Now for the last time, before I bozo you, answer MY questions for YOU.

WHERE do YOU think oil comes from in the first place?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   22:47:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: FormerLurker (#71)

i think oil comes from the same place oil companies think it comes from.

please explain why oil companies cant find oil unless they're drilling in ancient seabeds, where jillions of tiny critters were crushed, heated, sqeezed, cooked, and turned into oil.

too bad your defense of israel is running into gological facts.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   22:51:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: FormerLurker (#71)

the only thing you limited hangout people got going for you is persistence.

too bad your tactics were so accurately described by hitler, isnt it?

will persistent idiocy overcome geology?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   22:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: lead.and.lag (#72)

i think oil comes from the same place oil companies think it comes from.

So are you a mind reader? Do you know what they know? Where is it that THEY think it comes from, since you're so gifted?

please explain why oil companies cant find oil unless they're drilling in ancient seabeds, where jillions of tiny critters were crushed, heated, sqeezed, cooked, and turned into oil.

Jillions, eh? How many zeroes is that? Are you trying to state that the Middle East used to be a giant sea? And did you know that most sea creatures are eaten by larger creatures, and are NOT "crushed, heated, sqeezed, cooked"?

Did you know that methane is an abundant organic chemical, and can be converted to petroleum? That natural processes deep within the earth can actually perform that conversion naturally?

too bad your defense of israel is running into gological facts.

Too bad your pet theory forces you to ignore science, and even to misspell the word geological. Or perhaps that's just you doing what you do naturally.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   22:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: lead.and.lag (#73) (Edited)

Hey pal, that I don't swallow your "peak oil" Kool-Aid simply indicates I'm not a moron who jumps at any idea tossed around, I want proof. Thus far you've done nothing but launch attacks against me and anyone else who doesn't just shut up and let you spew your invalid and unscientific assertions.

So now that you've failed to label me a "Israel defender", you're going to try the association to Hitler trick, right? Why are you so desperate to villify anyone who doesn't agree with you? Are you 12 years old or something?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: FormerLurker (#74)

oil companies spend billions of dollar looking for oil.

they've developed methods that work... and those methods are based on the fact aht oil is made over millions of years from small animals and plants.

meahwhile, you cant explain why you're defending israel.

why is that?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: lead.and.lag (#76)

That you chant the mantra that I defend Israel doesn't make it so. People who've read my posts over the years know that I am far from a "Israel defender", I speak out against their atrocities and misdeeds, unlike you.

They also know I am keen on scientific evidence and facts, also unlike you.

That oil companies constantly seek out oil fields doesn't mean it comes from ancient plants and organisms, it means they're looking for more outlets from within the Earth that dispense oil, in order to have even MORE of that which they can make TRILLIONS of dollars on over the years.

So now, have you even looked into the science concerning methane and oil?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: FormerLurker (#77)

"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic.

"First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid.

"If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about.

"Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again.

"But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

"Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.

"I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying."

MeinKampf

people are gonna start wondering why you're confirming hitler's description of jewish debate tactics.;

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:14:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: FormerLurker (#77)

i mean, you'd think you people would have a certain amount of pride.

but then, maybe there's no money in pride.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:17:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: lead.and.lag (#78)

"Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again.

MeinKampf

So using Hitler's writings to attack me now, eh?

What's next, a full blown KKK cross burning?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: lead.and.lag (#79)

i mean, you'd think you people would have a certain amount of pride.

but then, maybe there's no money in pride.

So now you are admitting that you have no shame and that you are doing this for a paycheck?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: FormerLurker (#80) (Edited)

So using Hitler's writings to attack me now, eh?

if the shoes fits, you gots to wear it.

*shrug*

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: lead.and.lag (#82)

if the shoes fits, you gots to wear it.

*shrug*

So what are you, a neonazi or a REAL nazi?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:22:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: FormerLurker (#81)

anyhow, you're a confirmed loony tune, everybody knows it, and the denial, by the logic of the situation, says you're defending israel.

not to mention your attempts to fuck over people's minds with your chemtrail/UFO/crop circle bullshit.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: All (#84)

smoking them out

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: lead.and.lag (#84)

You've proven yourself to be an agent provocateur. So which alphabet soup agency do you work for? Or are you perhaps a Mossad operative, eh?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: lead.and.lag (#85)

smoking them out

You've smoked yourself out bud.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: lead.and.lag (#85)

smoking them out

get real

christine  posted on  2011-10-10   23:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: lead.and.lag (#84) (Edited)

not to mention your attempts to fuck over people's minds with your chemtrail/UFO/crop circle bullshit.

So those things don't exist, eh? Keep telling that to yourself little man. I'm sure your rabbi will be proud of you.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: christine (#88)

This guy is either a well-behaving yukon, or a misbehaving BAC. One way or the other, he's a shill.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: FormerLurker (#89)

lead.and.lag=wadosy

christine  posted on  2011-10-10   23:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: FormerLurker (#87) (Edited)

the problem is this: the only thing you got working for you is bullshit artists like alex jones.

meanwhile, in the real world, oil companies are using proven methods to find oil.

there is no evidence that abiotic oil has been produced in commercial quantities.... in fact, there's no evidence of its existence outside laboratories.

meanwhile, you seem to be a sucker for every dismal goddamned fairytale that's come down the pike... chemtrials, UFOs, lord knows what.

alex jones, art bell and that noory asshole are proud of you... you've helped fuck up millions of american minds.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: christine (#91)

lead.and.lag=wadosy

Never really paid much attention to that poster in the past. Just brought up some historical postings, and yep, I say I have it nailed.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: FormerLurker (#93)

please explain to christine why you're an apologist for israel.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: lead.and.lag (#92)

the problem is this: the only thing you got working for you is bullshit artists like alex jones.

Attack by association, whether or not I even associate or listen to said person.

meanwhile, in the real world, oil companies are using proven methods to find oil.

Control of ALL of the planet's energy sources is the goal.

there is no evidence that abiotic oil has been produced in commercial quantities.... in fact, there's no evidence of its existence outside laboratories.

There is ZERO evidence that petroleum can be created from sea sediment or plant life. There is MUCH evidence that it is a product of methane.

Years ago, they also thought the world was flat, and that the sun was a ball of fire which spun around the Earth. They had no understanding of nuclear fusion, and even now, the dynamics of solar burning is for the most part unknown.

meanwhile, you seem to be a sucker for every dismal goddamned fairytale that's come down the pike... chemtrials, UFOs, lord knows what.

I look into suppressed information, and whatever evidence I find that contradicts "conventional wisdom", I present to people who may wish to look into it themselves.

What YOU do on the other hand is attack people who have more courage than yourself, where you would be afraid to even touch such ideas, unless you were there to ridicule and scorn those who try to do what you would never have the courage to do yourself.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: lead.and.lag, christine, ALL (#94)

please explain to christine why you're an apologist for israel.

Please explain to christine and the rest of the forum why you lie, accuse me of things that are untrue, and generally act like an ass.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: FormerLurker (#95)

please post evidence of oil deposits outside ancient sea beds.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: FormerLurker (#96)

please explain how israel benefits if americans are so befuddled by zionist media that they cant think their way out of a wet paper bag.

please explain how your use of jewish debate tactics, as described by hitler, contributes to the befuddlement of americans.

please explain why it's so critical that peak oil be denied, seeing as how it was the most immediate motive for the 9/11 false flag attack.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: lead.and.lag (#97)

please post evidence of oil deposits outside ancient sea beds.

Ever hear of the Middle East?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: lead.and.lag (#98)

Please explain why you work for the Mossad.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: FormerLurker (#99)

please post evidence of oil deposits outside ancient sea beds.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: lead.and.lag (#101)

please post evidence of oil deposits outside ancient sea beds.

Refer to post 99 for the answer.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: FormerLurker (#102)

middle east oil does not come from sedimentary rock?

want to give us proof of that?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: lead.and.lag (#103)

middle east oil does not come from sedimentary rock?

Do you have proof that it does?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: lead.and.lag (#103)

middle east oil does not come from sedimentary rock?

want to give us proof of that?

Do you have proof that elves didn't just snap their fingers and make it all appear?

Come up with some proof that oil comes from sedimentary rock, even in the Middle East, and that fossils are the source of petroleum.

You can't prove that elves DIDN'T create the oil, but you COULD prove that oil comes from rock, IF it were true...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: FormerLurker (#104) (Edited)

Do you have proof that it does?

thousands of drillers have the proof.

billions of barrels of oil are the proof.

the important thing, here, is not ignorance.... it's understanding where you're coming from...

because if your main goal is to protect israel, you'll confirm hitler's description of jewish debate tactics til the end of time... the facts be damned.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-10   23:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: lead.and.lag (#103)

And oh yeah, maybe you've read something I haven't, but what makes you think the entire Middle East was once an ancient sea?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: lead.and.lag (#106)

thousands of drillers have the proof.

billions of barrels of oil are the proof.

Uh no, that is not proof. That there is oil there indicates there is oil there, nothing more, nothing less.

It does NOT prove HOW it got there. Try again.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: lead.and.lag (#106)

you'll confirm hitler's description of jewish debate tactics til the end of time... the facts be damned.

Seems like you have the technique nailed. Well not really, but you are TRYING the best you can it seems.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-10   23:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: FormerLurker (#107)

you're not ignorant

nope, you've got an agenda... first, protect israel

to accomplish that, you have to degrade americans' ability to think

it's a matter of sequence, isnt it?

fuck up americans' minds so they wont be able to see what caused 9/11.

duck soup.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: FormerLurker (#109) (Edited)

meanwhile, it'd be a good thing for your argument if you could provide evidence of oil deposits outside sedimentary basins.

why do you have to resort to jew debate tactics, as described by hitler, to avoid adressing that problem?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: lead.and.lag (#110)

If anyone has an agenda here, it's obvious that YOU do. I was at first trying to have a rational discussion concerning your erroneous idea that there is such a thing as "peak oil" to begin with, but YOU turned this into a "joo" thing.

It's obvious to me at least that you more than likely work for some government agency who is here to entrap people, or perhaps even for a foreign power such as Israel. It would be the perfect disguise for a Mossad operator to act like a "jew hater" and bash anyone who disproves his bullshit with accusations of being a "jew lover".

Yep, you are DEFINITELY a shill, it's just the matter of figuring out who exactly pays your salary.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-11   0:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: FormerLurker (#112)

if there's no such thing as peak oil, how come texas oil production peaked in 1972?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: lead.and.lag (#111)

You have NOT proven that there was ever an ancient sea in the Middle East. You have NOT proven that oil comes from rock. You have NOT proven that ancient organisms have somehow miraculously turned into oil. You have NOT provided any links which describe the rock to oil conversion.

You HAVE launched ad hominem attacks against me and others here. You HAVE failed to converse in a civil manner. You HAVE lied, and HAVE falsely accused, and HAVE generally acted like a retard.

Yet you expect to score points here somehow this eveving?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-11   0:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: FormerLurker (#114)

if there's no such thing as peak oil, how come american oil production peaked in 1970?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: lead.and.lag (#113)

if there's no such thing as peak oil, how come texas oil production peaked in 1972?

Lower the supply with increased demand, and the prices are bound to rise. Have you ever learned that in Jr. High, the law of supply and demand?

MAYBE those particular fields DID run low, who knows. I see no proof that they DID actually run low however.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-11   0:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: FormerLurker (#116) (Edited)

so the conspiracy to limit oil production has been operating since the early 1900s, when the east texas fields peaked and declined.

ever heard of spindletop?

please tell us how much spindletop produced at peak, in what year, and how much it produced a few years later.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: FormerLurker (#116) (Edited)

please tell us why, if spindletop is such a rich field, and is magically abiotically replenishing, oil companies are going 200 miles offshore for oil, instead of drilling new holes in spindletop.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: lead.and.lag (#117)

so the conspiracy to limit oil production has been operating since the early 1900s, when the east texas fields peaked and declined.

Sorry charlie, but the production in Texas rose each year up till the 70's.

It may not "replenish" as fast as it is drawn either, but that doesn't mean that oil comes from ancient critters.

It also does not prove GLOBAL peak oil has occured.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-11   0:26:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: lead.and.lag (#118)

Please explain how oil comes from ancient critters. Provide a link that describes the process.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-11   0:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: All (#118)

so, in summary, we are obliged to deny peak oil because peak oil was the main motive for the 9/11 false flag.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: FormerLurker (#120)

Please explain how oil comes from ancient critters. Provide a link that describes the process.

petroleum

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: lead.and.lag (#121)

in summary, we are obliged to deny peak oil because peak oil was the main motive for the 9/11 false flag.

You are hopping on the peak oil theory as if it is the ONLY reason 9/11 would have occured. That is a false premise, and for you to badger anyone who disagrees with you as you do, with "joo lover" type "arguments" to "support" your assertions shows you to be either psychotic, or a paid disruptor.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-11   0:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: FormerLurker (#120)

in further summary, israel must be secured from sea level rise before its american protection expires from oil shortages.

this is the last chance, before america collapses from peak oil, for israelis to achieve tikkun olam or "benevolent global hegemony".

i'm gradually coming around to the view that we should give the dismal motherfuckers enough rope to hang themselves, because it's the easiest thing to do.

not to mention the fact that's how it works with jewishness... the little guys get the shit kicked out of them, the big guys get away with the loot... and everybody seems completely satisfied with that arrangement.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: lead.and.lag (#122)

petroleum

Uh, I didn't ask for a wiki entry into what the conventional wisdom is. Show me where in that entry the chemical and physical process of oil being created from rock is described.

Of course you won't find it there. Now show me some evidence that DOES describe the process.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-11   0:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: lead.and.lag (#124)

israel must be secured from sea level rise before its american protection expires from oil shortages.

Maybe they're trying to steal your bed as well, you better double check every hour because you never know just how tricky those SOBs are...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-11   0:40:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: lead.and.lag (#121)

peak oil was the main motive for the 9/11 false flag.

No, war was the main motive for the 9/11 false flag attack. Specifically war between Christians and Muslims engineered for the Jews benefit, cause they hate Christians and Muslims but don't want to be seen directly attacking Christians just yet. Having two enemies fight each other is always a good strategic move as long as neither of them figure out the manipulation.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-10-11   0:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: FormerLurker (#125)

is your google broke, too?

your problem is, a description of the formation of petroleum would show that oil is formed by heat and compression, over millions of years, of critters.

you are supposedly unwilling to accept that, so you're unwilling to do your homework.

not my problem.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: RickyJ (#127) (Edited)

this post was aimed at the lurker, ricky... sorry for the mistake...

ignorance, in your case, is no excuse... the reason you refuse to accept the fact of peak oil is because peak oil was israel's main motive to stage the 9/11 attacks.

your main mission is to protect israel, so you have to deny the existence of peak oil, dfespite massive evidence that peak oil is a reality.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: lead.and.lag (#124)

israel must be secured from sea level rise before its american protection expires from oil shortages.

Wow, peak oil and global warming?

Peak oil can be debated, but global warming is nothing more than global BS.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2011-10-11   0:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: RickyJ (#130) (Edited)

well, peak oil and global warming are gonna become undeniable soon enough...

...which doesnt mean they'll not be denied... no, the powers will only ramp up the denial mechanisms that exist to defeat the logic of the situation.

good thing we've been so dumbed down that logic and facts no longer apply.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   0:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: RickyJ (#130) (Edited)

it seems pretty comical to me that the main media got on the global warming train before they realized the implications for israel... they're too chickenshit to back down, so all they can do is give "equal time" to global warming deniers...

the effect is great, though... the people remain so confused and divided that it all works out just fine.

everybody got on the same page pretty early in the peak oil problem, though, but after five or six years of flat production, more and more peak oil stuff is leaking out.

nevermind, though.... there are unimagined resources waiting in the wings, dedicated to shielding israel from the facts and logic of 9/11...

it will be a relief when they start shooting people who know about peak oil a global warming and are willing to connect the dots... then we'll know, for sure, that the final battle lines have been drawn.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   1:00:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: lead.and.lag (#128)

your problem is, a description of the formation of petroleum would show that oil is formed by heat and compression, over millions of years, of critters.

You would be hard pressed to find a scientific explanation for what you claim, one which describes the process empirically, rather than by assumption.

That oil can be made from a raw organic gas empirically proves that it CAN and DOES happen.

That you refuse to understand that is your problem, not mine.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-11   1:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: FormerLurker (#133)

your problem is that you are charged with denying phenomena that are geologically inevitable, and those phemomena account for events from 9/11 on, in which israel and israeli control of america are implicated.

to shield israel, you have to deny that those phenomena exist.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-10-11   1:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: lead.and.lag (#134)

You have to look at yourself in the mirror and talk in order to see your own self. Try it sometime.

"Geologically inevitable"? If anything, folk like you are making it that way. FINDING ways to make it inevitable, and making it so.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-10-11   2:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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