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Title: anonymous list of OWS demands! Now this is something to get behind!!!
Source: Anonymous
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Published: Oct 30, 2011
Author: Anonymous
Post Date: 2011-10-30 01:36:26 by titorite
Keywords: Anonymous, Occupy, protest
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Comments: 46

UNITED MISSION STATEMENT (disseminate at will)

Expect us. You brushed us aside and ignored us. Now look, your sites get hacked, your criminal activities (such as “Fast and Furious”) exposed, banks are losing customers en masse, and now a worldwide uprising has been created and we won’t stop until your parasitic, destructive system is destroyed and all its criminals behind bars and, if applicable, impeached.

Initial Demands:
-Keep corporations out of politics/no more lobbying (which is essentially a bribe)/Firewall between Corporations and State
-Reversal of Citizens United ruling (Classifies Corporations as “The People” when convenient; allows them to “contribute” unlimited funds to politicians)
-Hold Corporations accountable for their numerous (and often horrific) crimes like you would a regular citizen, here and abroad if they are an American company. (If you still classify them as people, then not only do the high ranking employees face criminal charges, but the corporation itself must be “jailed”, operations shut down, computers and files locked away for duration of sentence. (Haliburton, Nike, Monsanto…the list is long)
-Criminal enterprises disbanded and high level members prosecuted for racketeering, fraud, conspiracy, and treason (such as Wall Street, CEOs looting pension funds, the unconstitutional and not at all Federal Reserve***, Goldman Sachs {Obama’s leading donor}, etc.) There are many beltway attorneys willing to prosecute if protected. Spitzer was trying, then got “honey trapped”
-THE QUICKEST GOAL TO ACHIEVE: Clear the Supreme Court’s schedule and have them rule on the legality of the IMF hub Federal Reserve while using military to protect them and their families while also monitoring these public servant’s bank accounts
-No more unions for government employees
-Eliminate all Tax Loopholes
-A law making one ineligible for Public Office if worked (or immediate family worked) on Board for multi-national Corporation
-Locate and eliminate tax havens for tax evaders, the greediest of the greedy
-End the Patriot Act
-End the Wars (including Drug War)
-Impeach and prosecute the complicit politicians and bankers (including Obama, and tried for war crimes those who came before)
-Expose Economic Hitman and arrest them and their bosses
-Expose and Outlaw FBI/CIA created terrorism internationally and domestically
-More checks and balances for cops and stiffer penalties for egregious abuses such as loss of pension and jail time (and they must pass a constitutional test before getting job)
-Allow/Remove restrictions for much more independent media across the nation (ala Italy)

Please spread around at least some of these to as many people as possible. Make Youtube videos. Make your own fliers. Add your own points if it doesn’t drift too far; that will merely cause dissent among us which is what they want. Remember, ixnay on taxes. Talk of taxes WILL DOOM the movement!!! Whether or not you agree on taxing the 1% more doesn’t matter because the .01% will find a way to steal that money too.
Many mid-level Government employees don’t want to see the country burn, nor do most of the military. So get them on board, they are the 99.99% too. Otherwise, we will either bring the whole system crashing down, starting anew community by community, or the current way will turn us all into serfs until humanity is more than decimated.
We won’t stop. Expect us.

***Each of the U.S. Federal Reserve Banks can be dissolved today by an act of Congress or “forfeiture of franchise for violation of law.” How the American people can end the unconstitutional control of their money using the Federal Reserve interest bearing counterfeit Note is codified in the United States Code, TITLE 12 CHAPTER 3 SUBCHAPTER IX § 341: www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscod ... 2_00000341——000-.html General enumeration of powers. What laws have the Federal Reserve violated that would warrant their immediate forfeiture? Counterfeiting, money laundering, trafficking of counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes, securities fraud, fraud, insider trading, extortion, and embezzlement.
Only the Congress of the U.S., which comprises of the Senate and the House of Representatives has the power to coin and issue the U.S. money supply and regulate the value thereof? [Article 1 Section 1 and Section 8] Nowhere, in the Constitution does it give Congress the power or authority to transfer any powers granted under the Constitution to a private corporation. Therefore the Federal Reserve is null and void.
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#1. To: titorite (#0)
-Locate and eliminate tax havens for tax evaders

In all likelihood whatever is evaded in taxes becomes capital which is invested in wealth-building enterprises.
Taxes, on the other hand just end up in an ever expanding and intrusive bureaucracy, not to mention the Jew-fabricated war on terror and wars to protect Israel's security, instigated by US-Israeli duals who have taken control of national politics by arranging funding, manpower and media coverage for congressional candidates. So whoever can find a way to minimize non-specific taxes, more power to him, he and the rest of us will be far better off.

Tatarewicz posted on 2011-10-30 2:59:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Tatarewicz (#1)
In all likelihood whatever is evaded in taxes becomes capital which is invested in wealth-building enterprises.

Wut?

No never mind
I shall just say this: The Rockefellers, The Rothschilds, The Morgans, The elites , they need to chip in and pay what they owe like the rest of us or else they need to GTFO.

I support the occupation

titorite posted on 2011-10-30 3:08:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: titorite (#2)
Rockefellers, The Rothschilds, The Morgans, The elites , they need to chip in and pay what they owe like the rest of us

Economy observer Eric Fry of the Daily Reckoning illustrates where big chunks of taxes are going. Just because dumb taxpayers contribute to this kind of nonsense doesn't mean Rockerfeller, etc., should "chip in."
Tuesday’s Congressional Hearing of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs helps to illustrate the extent of the government’s intrusiveness.
The witnesses in attendance included a bevy of federal officials with ominous, absurdly long titles like Homeland Security Undersecretary for Science and Technology, Assistant Homeland Security Secretary for Health Affairs, Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, Assistant Director, Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate and Senior Director for Biological Defense Policy.
During the repartee, the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response extolled the government’s post-9/11 success in making America safer against bio-warfare:
“Critical to the success of the whole Public Health Emergency Medical Countermeasure Enterprise — or the PHEMCE, as it’s called — is an integrated approach with a formal government structure, and he should know that this includes all the components of HHS plus DHS, VA, DOD, USDA. So it’s truly an interagency effort — and that all parts now of HHS, CDC, FDA, NIH, BARDA work together with companies from the outset of the contract rather than at the end of the pipeline... Yet as we all know from the Weapons of Mass Destruction Terrorism Research Center report card, while we’ve made important progress...our preparedness is not yet sufficient...Without continued support and funding for our public health and medical systems, the infrastructure will degrade...”
Maybe all these bureaus, agencies and directorates are as essential as their Undersecretaries, Assistant Secretaries and Senior Directors would have us believe. Maybe not.
But two things we know for certain: all this government-sponsored hyperactivity is very expensive and very intrusive. It costs a lot of money to stick one’s bureaucratic nose into every citizen’s business.
After Sept. 11, America’s intelligence, surveillance and counter- terrorism agencies basically got a blank check to fund their efforts. The CIA got a billion dollars right away. So did the National Security Agency (NSA). “What we found in the years immediately after Sept. 11 was that the existing agencies grew enormously,” observes Dana Priest, a reporter for The Washington Post. “They doubled in size, many of them, and new organizations were created as well, big ones.”
In 2002, for example, there were 34 new federal organizations created to work at the top-secret level. In 2003, government created 39 more; in 2004, 30 more; in 2005, another 35; and more each year since. “Every year [since 9/11],” Priest goes on, “more than two dozen, sometimes three dozen, entirely new federal organizations dedicated to counterterrorism [were] being created.”
Do we really need all these agencies? Will any of us really notice or care if we lose a few government acronyms along the way?
By funding this proliferation of intrusive government agencies — all in the name of national security — we taxpayers are paying to be groped by strangers, metaphorically speaking. Maybe we could do with a little less groping. And certainly, we could do with a lot less “protecting” and “rescuing.”
Less is more, as the saying goes.
Thus, the one solution to the euro crisis — and also to the economic malaise here at home — is the one solution that no one seems to be considering: Benign neglect.
Doing nothing at all may be the very best thing to do, as Jim Grant suggests in a recent issue of Grant’s Interest Rate Observer. “Constructive inaction” is the term Grant uses to describe the government’s response — or rather, non-response — to the economic contraction of 1920.
“90 years ago,” Grant explains, “in the teeth of a slump much deeper than our Great Recession, the government did what today would be unimaginable.”
It did nothing.
“The US government — the Wilson administration through March 1921, the Harding administration thereafter — met the emergency mainly by getting out of its way,” Grant relates. “To most of the policymakers of the day, it was, indeed no ‘emergency,’ but essays of the business cycle, unpleasant but inevitable.”
Importantly, the government of 1920-21 did not stand aside because it had no idea what to do; it stood aside because it had some idea what not to do. The administrations of Wilson and Harding stood aside because they trusted market forces to resolve the crisis more effectively that the government could.
“Market forces didn’t fail in 1920-21,” says Grant. “They were virtually the only forces in play... The Federal Reserve in 1919 was celebrating its fifth birthday, while the welfare state of finance — too big to fail, TARP, TALF, etc. — was not only unborn but also unimagined.”
Anticipating the deep recession of 1920-21, the Ben Bernanke of his day, Benjamin Strong, governor of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, had this to say in 1919:
[“There will be] a considerable degree of unemployment, but not for very long, and... after a year or two of discomfort, embarrassment, some losses, some disorders caused by unemployment, we will emerge with an almost invincible banking position, prices more nearly at competitive levels with other nations, and be able to exercise a wide and important influence in restoring the world to a normal and livable condition.”
Therefore, in anticipation of both an imminent deep recession and also at a rapid, vibrant recovery that would restore the world to a normal and livable condition, Strong proposed neither bailout plans nor “stimulus measures” to alter the economy’s natural course.
He simply watched. And as he watched, he saw his predictions fulfilled. The economy did contract, fiercely so. But shortly thereafter, the economy launched a powerful recovery. The whole thing lasted less than two years.
“The point cannot be overstated that the slump did end,” Grant points out, “and that the post-1921 labor market mounted a powerful recovery and that the incumbent Republicans remained in power until Herbert Hoover decided to meet the Great Depression, not through inaction but through an aggressive intervention.”
But constructive inaction is not even a topic of discussion among the G-20. Today’s discussion is all about destructive action. In the name of “stabilizing the system,” the G-20 wishes to amass hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars into a kind of economic funeral pyre.
“The supposed lessons of the Great Depression, as interpreted by the former Princeton economics professor who now directs the nation’s destiny at the helm of the Federal Reserve Board, constitute the guiding light for today’s policymakers,” Grant explains. “Intervene early and often... print money, run up the federal debt, slash interest rates, extend jobless benefits and soften the sting of foreclosure...”
Accordingly, the leaders of the EU and IMF are planning to “save the system” by sending money to governments that overspent foolishly and banks that invested foolishly. Why bother saving that system?
The system that deserves saving is not the one that rewards incompetence and reckless risk-taking. The system that deserves saving is the one that rewards prudence. That’s the very same system that permits bankrupt investments to go bankrupt...that separates fools from their money.
The system that deserves saving is not the one that tries to slap green paint on every piece of dead wood and call it “healthy.” The system worth saving is the one that respects the power of market forces — that allows the dead wood to rot and decompose right where it sits, so that it may fertilize the next generation of productive enterprise.
“The bailout funds [in Europe] — no matter how large they grow — will merely slow the march toward inevitability,” we observed several weeks ago. “The destination is certain; the timetable is variable.”
Greece will default...eventually. Why not let it happen? And if the euro fails, the euro fails. Why not let that happen too?
The leading policymakers of the European Union would like to halt the crisis in its tracks. Not gonna happen. These guys and gals should probably stop practicing their speeches into a mirror. They are forgetting that the images before them are flip-flopped. Left is actually right. Right is actually left. Rescue plans are actually failure plans. Failure is actually the first part of any enduring rescue.
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Tatarewicz posted on 2011-10-30 3:25:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Tatarewicz (#3) (Edited)
Just because dumb taxpayers contribute to this kind of nonsense doesn't mean Rockerfeller, etc., should "chip in."

Are you high?
What are you saying, if you earn your first trillion you shouldn't have to pay taxes like us normal peons?
Fuck that.
I ain't saying tax em into the poor house but damnit when these limey scum get tax refunds it is time to rearrange government and yes it is MORE THAN TIME to
-Locate and eliminate tax havens for tax evaders

By the way, if you are a US citizen Tatarewicz, then you are one of those "Dumb Taxpayers" that contribute to the nonsense.
If you're gonna pay for it and I'm gonna pay for it just Why on gods green earth by all that you hold holy, should Mr Rockefeller be exempted?

I support the occupation

titorite posted on 2011-10-30 3:33:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: titorite (#0)
Add your own points if it doesn’t drift too far; that will merely cause dissent among us which is what they want. Remember, ixnay on taxes. Talk of taxes WILL DOOM the movement!!!

It may or may not doom "the movement", but it won't save the system.
I think all of those things are going to happen, and more. That is because their system was, from the beginning, self-serving to the criminal self-proclaimed elites. I believe that we can push it over the edge, even if their system was never sustainable in the first place and bound to fail like any ponzi scheme.
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PSUSA2 posted on 2011-10-30 6:31:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: titorite (#0)
This tell you anything:
Source: OccupyWallStreet
URL Source: http://occupywallst.org/forum/anonymous-list-of-demands/
Author: Posted by "anarch"
Sometimes the "source" tells you more than the content!

Phant2000 posted on 2011-10-30 7:07:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Phant2000 (#6)
occupywallst.org/forum/anonymous-list-of-demands/

Enacting the Impossible (On Consensus Decision Making)
Posted Oct. 29, 2011, 9:55 p.m. EST by David-Graeber
Washington Square General Assembly TO THE VILLAGE: With a large college and high school student contingent, occupiers from all over the city have repeatedly marched to Washington Square where at least two general assemblies have convened. PHOTO: Stephen O’Byrne
On August 2, 2011 at the very first meeting of what was to become Occupy Wall Street, about a dozen people sat in a circle in Bowling Green. The self-appointed “process committee” for a social movement we merely hoped would someday exist, contemplated a momentous decision. Our dream was to create a New York General Assembly: the model for democratic assemblies we hoped to see spring up across America. But how would those assemblies actually operate?
The anarchists in the circle made what seemed, at the time, an insanely ambitious proposal. Why not let them operate exactly like this committee: by consensus.
It was, in the least, a wild gamble, because as far as any of us knew, no one had ever managed to pull off something like this before. Consensus process had been successfully used in spokes-councils — groups of activists organized into separate affinity groups, each represented by a single “spoke” — but never in mass assemblies like the one anticipated in New York City. Even the General Assemblies in Greece and Spain had not attempted it. But consensus was the approach that most accorded with our principles. So we took the leap.
Three months later, hundreds of assemblies, big and small, now operate by consensus across America. Decisions are made democratically, without voting, by general assent. According to conventional wisdom this shouldn’t be possible, but it is happening — in much the same way that other inexplicable phenomena like love, revolution, or life itself (from the perspective of, say, particle physics) happen.
The direct democratic process adopted by Occupy Wall Street has deep roots in American radical history. It was widely employed in the civil rights movement and by the Students for a Democratic Society. But its current form has developed from within movements like feminism and even spiritual traditions (both Quaker and Native American) as much as from within anarchism itself. The reason direct, consensus-based democracy has been so firmly embraced by and identified with anarchism is because it embodies what is perhaps anarchism’s most fundamental principle: that in the same way human beings treated like children will tend to act like children, the way to encourage human beings to act like mature and responsible adults is to treat them as if they already are.
Consensus is not a unanimous voting system; a “block” is not a No vote, but a veto. Think of it as the intervention of a High Court that declares a proposal to be in violation of fundamental ethical principles — except in this case the judge’s robes belong to anyone with the courage to throw them on. That participants know they can instantly stop a deliberation dead in its tracks if they feel it a matter of principle, not only means they rarely do it. It also means that a compromise on minor points becomes easier; the process toward creative synthesis is really the essence of the thing. In the end, it matters less how a final decision is reached—by a call for blocks or a majority show hands—provided everyone was able to play a part in helping to shape and reshape it.
We may never be able to prove, through logic, that direct democracy, freedom and a society based on principles of human solidarity are possible. We can only demonstrate it through action. In parks and squares across America, people have begun to witness it as they have started to participate. Americans grow up being taught that freedom and democracy are our ultimate values, and that our love of freedom and democracy is what defines us as a people—even as, in subtle but constant ways, we’re taught that genuine freedom and democracy can never truly exist.
The moment we realize the fallacy of this teaching, we begin to ask: how many other “impossible” things might we pull off? And it is there, it is here, that we begin enacting the impossible.

Tatarewicz posted on 2011-10-30 10:18:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Tatarewicz, titorite, PSUSA2 (#7)
Anonymous bump
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod posted on 2011-10-30 10:33:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: All (#0)
I assume if these are the goals of OWS, we'll see some Ron Paul material being handed out?

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-10-30 10:36:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: titorite (#4)
You seem to be presupposing we need government to determine how we drive cars, foods we eat, treatments for illness, etc., paid for from taxes going into a general revenue fund. I'm saying motorists, as part of an association should decide the rules of the road, roadways that need to be built and how these are to be financed. Likewise leave it to intelligent consumers to determine what foods they buy and from whom. With the internet consumers can readily inform themselves about various choices, take analytical chemistry courses to inform themselves and others of food contaminants.

Tatarewicz posted on 2011-10-30 10:39:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Tatarewicz (#7)
The article describes the ultimate in freedom and liberation. However, those gathering are homosapiens who, history has proven, will take advantage and turn consensus into lawlessness.
Too bad we are not better disciplined and more compassionate. The human is too ready to play one upmanship and usurp power when authority is absent.

Phant2000 posted on 2011-10-30 11:02:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Phant2000 (#6)
Author: Posted by "anarch"
Sometimes the "source" tells you more than the content!

Smirk....

Anyways....
The list of demands call for ending the fed , ending the patriot act, holding government accountable how can you not get behind that?

I support the occupation

titorite posted on 2011-10-30 11:09:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Tatarewicz (#10)
I'm saying motorists, as part of an association should decide the rules of the road, roadways that need to be built and how these are to be financed. Likewise leave it to intelligent consumers to determine what foods they buy and from whom. With the internet consumers can readily inform themselves about various choices, take analytical chemistry courses to inform themselves and others of food contaminants.

hmmmmm..
Ambitious words. I myself believe in incrmentalism towards such ends. In the meantime I see the list of demands as a step in that direction... will the anonymous get everything they are asking for? proly not. But are they asking for free college , free lunches , and free rides? no... theirs asking for responsible respectable government..
To get to voluntary cooperation you gotta go become respectful and responsible.
It's a process.

I support the occupation

titorite posted on 2011-10-30 11:15:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Lod (#8)
Thanks for the bump Lod :D

I support the occupation

titorite posted on 2011-10-30 11:19:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: titorite, 4 (#12)
Anyways....
The list of demands call for ending the fed , ending the patriot act, holding government accountable how can you not get behind that?

Well, consider this before everyone gets too excited. These were very similar to the Tea Party's goals before it became neoconed. Now the TP consideres Rick Perry their guy, while dismissing the only candidate who would offer individual freedom to all.

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-10-30 11:26:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: titorite, Tatarewicz (#12)
The list of demands call for ending the fed , ending the patriot act, holding government accountable how can you not get behind that?

I CAN support dissolving the Federal Reserve, terminating the Patriot Act and holding those in government accountable.
However, I have lived long enough to NOT forget that there are no spontaneous, uncoordinated, nationwide political protests in this country. Therefore, all Americans would be wise to remember that before giving total support to the protests we are currently viewing.

Phant2000 posted on 2011-10-30 11:30:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
Now the TP consideres Rick Perry their guy, while dismissing the only candidate who would offer individual freedom to all.

I'm not convinced of this yet. I know the media (all of them) whether talk radio or MSM (TV etc.,) act as if Ron Paul didn't exist and some in the Tea Party movement buy into the poopaganda - but I think there's a very large constituency solidly behind Mr. Paul.
I'd love to see riots at the RNC Convention !
"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
noone222 posted on 2011-10-30 11:36:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: noone222 (#17)
I'd love to see riots at the RNC Convention !

now that would be awesome

christine posted on 2011-10-30 11:37:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Phant2000 (#16)
However, I have lived long enough to NOT forget that there are no spontaneous, uncoordinated, nationwide political protests in this country. Therefore, all Americans would be wise to remember that before giving total support to the protests we are currently viewing.

The phrases "fight fire with fire" or the enemy of my enemy is my friend (at least for the moment) come to my mind. I agree with you that a good amount of concern and vigilance is required - so rather than remain idle we should get involved and while doing so communicate liberty and observe.
"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
noone222 posted on 2011-10-30 11:41:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: christine (#18)
it's quite possible, especially considering the last few years what with the freespeech zones and mass arrests and all that.

I support the occupation

titorite posted on 2011-10-30 11:41:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: titorite (#20)
it's quite possible, especially considering the last few years what with the freespeech zones and mass arrests and all that.

Not to forget the many pre-convention meetings where Ron Paul supporters were ignored and ostracized by the old right elites (aka progressives) so that McCain could be selected.
Last time Ron held his own separate convention in Minnesota which kept the Tea Party Republicans (the real ones) from injecting their views and conservative values instead of those progressive views held by the likes of McCain and other neo-con creeps such as the members of PNAC .
"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
noone222 posted on 2011-10-30 11:48:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: christine (#18)
I'd love to see riots at the RNC Convention !
now that would be awesome

One thing seems obvious - the elites will have to be escorted out of the party, they won't leave on their own.
"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
noone222 posted on 2011-10-30 11:50:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: noone222 (#17)
but I think there's a very large constituency solidly behind Mr. Paul.
I'd love to see riots at the RNC Convention !

It's very possible. In most national polls RP places 3rd at 12%. If he can move the meter up to 15%-18%, those are Perot-like numbers and he will be real hard to ignore. If RP can split the Republican Party in half, I'll be thrilled. Let the Neos and zeos join the Ds. I'd be happy being part of a group of 25% of like minded souls.

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-10-30 11:59:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: titorite (#0)
well now, these fools are getting tuned up, in the most precise meaning of the term.
excellent post.
“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,
gengis gandhi posted on 2011-10-30 11:59:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: noone222 (#19)
... we should get involved and while doing so communicate liberty and observe.

I agree with you, noone. I will remain active, observant and communicating liberty until I die.

Phant2000 posted on 2011-10-30 12:04:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
If he can move the meter up to 15%-18%, those are Perot-like numbers and he will be real hard to ignore. If RP can split the Republican Party in half, I'll be thrilled. Let the Neos and zeos join the Ds. I'd be happy being part of a group of 25% of like minded souls.

Obama would likely get re-(s)elected and even though that by itself would be a big negative there are positives to be considered.
Knowing what a candidate really stands for is one of them. These days the (R) or (D) means little. I'm afraid though that a Tax Revolt is the only real means of resisting the socialists from both (so-called) parties.
My exit was so complete that re-entering and being one of the 25% you mentioned is impossible but I do see your logic.
"the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, “Limit yourself”; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." Murray Rothbard
noone222 posted on 2011-10-30 12:07:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: titorite, Occupiers, Renegades, 4 (#14)

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod posted on 2011-10-30 12:21:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: noone222, 4 (#21)
The support for Dr.Paul is so wide-spread that the chicken-shyte Texas GOP canceled our straw poll rather than have RP sweep it.
Yeah, we have a great chance if the black boxes don't screw us.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod posted on 2011-10-30 12:27:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Phant2000 (#11)
The article describes the ultimate in freedom and liberation. However, those gathering are homosapiens who, history has proven, will take advantage and turn consensus into lawlessness.
Too bad we are not better disciplined and more compassionate. The human is too ready to play one upmanship and usurp power when authority is absent.

Cynic!
I think I would argue that most people mean well for others, but they also, in too many cases, confuse "what is good for me is good for everybody". Much of the excesses of what we today call liberalism come from confusing compassion with giving people whatever they need OR want rather than requiring them to earn it. And actually that doesn't work because it is not the way people operate. Putting someone to work to where they earn their own keep is one of the most compassionate actions one can take. Welfare doesn't work because all it does is remove the need to get up off of one's ass and do something and deprives people of the sense of accomplishment in having done it.
I think the small percentage that do pervert and twist and deceive create an ill effect is well out of proportion to their true numbers, and many so-called liberals are closet totalitarians who preach freedom while planning enslavement.
Remember The White Rose"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2011-10-30 12:41:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Original_Intent (#29)
I think the small percentage that do pervert and twist and deceive create an ill effect is well out of proportion to their true numbers, and many so-called liberals are closet totalitarians who preach freedom while planning enslavement.

Agreed.
Cynic? Okay ... so I've lived to long!

Phant2000 posted on 2011-10-30 13:44:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: titorite (#0)
OWS can kiss my white ass. As long as the Federal Reserve creates money out of thin air and sells to FedGov with interest due, why should anybody pay any income taxes and be told that they owe a national debt?? Abort the income tax and abort the Federal Reserve.
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2011-10-30 15:40:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: X-15 (#31)
As long as the Federal Reserve creates money out of thin air and sells to FedGov with interest due, why should anybody pay any income taxes and be told that they owe a national debt??

There's more to it than meets the eye, X-15.
Check this out: http://atrueott.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/acorn-paying-ows- protestors-sandlers-are-khazar-co-conspirators-with-soros-and-lewis1/

Phant2000 posted on 2011-10-30 21:08:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: Phant2000 (#32)
Please, please, please, use Preview w/Auto Link.
I'm too tired to copy and paste this stuff.
Thanks much.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod posted on 2011-10-30 22:10:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Lod (#33)
I'm too tired to copy and paste this stuff.

Sorry, Lod, but I have never used Auto Link and am not following you request.

Phant2000 posted on 2011-10-30 22:26:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Phant2000 (#34)
And your reason for not using "auto link?" Just curious.

Tatarewicz posted on 2011-10-30 23:16:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Phant2000, Lod, X-15 (#32)
Check this out: atrueott.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/acorn-paying-ows- protestors-sandlers-are-khazar-co-conspirators-with-soros-and-lewis1/
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
abraxas posted on 2011-10-30 23:38:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: abraxas (#36)
WTF does ACORN have to do with auto-linking?
Or did I miss something there?
If anyone here thinks that we're anonymous on the internet, get a grip.
We are not.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod posted on 2011-10-30 23:47:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Lod (#37)
WTF does ACORN have to do with auto-linking?
Or did I miss something there?

lol.....I didn't realize that ACORN had anything to do with auto-linking.
I was just doing a good deed......and awaiting my punishment. : )
We both must have missed something because we both know that clicking the 'Auto Hyperlink Web Addresses' box for the easy linking of all has nothing to do with ANY group, lame or grand. Derb nub it, I say, drop that 'acorn' and click the damned Hyperlink box!!
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
abraxas posted on 2011-10-30 23:58:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Tatarewicz (#35)
And your reason for not using "auto link?"

I have NO idea what that means, what it does or how I use it. Anyone care to explain???

Phant2000 posted on 2011-10-31 7:45:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Phant2000 (#39)
Normally you just press "Preview" when no URL link is in your comment/copy.
When you have a website URL in your comment you can automatically make it clickable (appear in red) for anyone wishing to link to the site.
4um should develop a sheet on how to use these various features, print bold, italics and so one for amateurs like me. Christine had to coach me to use properly the poster-comment-after-article box by going to setup, checkmarking Poster Display Comment box plus Save so the box now appears after every article I post (and you just ignore the box if you don't wish to make any comment). Hope that helps.

Tatarewicz posted on 2011-10-31 10:17:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Phant2000 (#39)
Just below the Comments/Response: box is a button for Preview, and just to the right of that is the Preview w/Auto Link which will automatically hot-link any URL that is in your message/post.
Hope this helps.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod posted on 2011-10-31 10:23:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Tatarewicz (#40) (Edited)
Hope that helps.

It helps as to "Poster Display Comment box" I always just type my comment at the end of the article. Thanks for that one.
You failed to give instructions on how to make the link appear in red ... you said, "... you can automatically make it clickable (appear in red) for anyone wishing to link to the site."
Where do I "automatically make it clickable"?
P.S. Never mind ... Lod gave me the info in a later post.

Phant2000 posted on 2011-10-31 11:14:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Phant2000 (#42)
All right!
Another Hot-Linker here.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod posted on 2011-10-31 11:20:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: Lod, Tatarewicz (#43)
Another Hot-Linker here.

But for you and Tatarewicz, this "village idiot" would still be the village idiot when it comes to posting!!! hehehehe

Phant2000 posted on 2011-10-31 12:15:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Phant2000 (#44)
At this stage of the game, clicking is so much faster than the copy/paste drill.
Enjoy your new-found power. ;-)
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod posted on 2011-10-31 12:26:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: titorite (#0)

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