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Title: Abuse victim claims Penn State pedophilia predates Sandusky, current scandal by decades
Source: NY Daily News
URL Source: http://articles.nydailynews.com/201 ... ate-professor-abuse-man-claims
Published: Nov 27, 2011
Author: LARRY MCSHANE
Post Date: 2011-11-27 00:19:01 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Pedophelia, Sandusky, Penn State, censored reference to Pe** Sta
Views: 2733
Comments: 66

Abuse victim claims Penn State pedophilia predates Sandusky, current scandal by decades
LARRY MCSHANE
Wednesday, November 16, 2011
An Arizona man claims he was sexually abused 30 years ago by a Penn State professor — and the university refused to investigate his claims.
Paul McLaughlin, now of Phoenix, says the abuse began when he was just 11 and lasted from 1977-81, with an education professor and two other predators targeting him.
The victim told ABC News that he made audiotapes in 2001 of conversations where Prof. Jack Neisworth admitted performing oral sex on him.
“Although I had clear evidence of abuse by this professor, the university refused to act,” charged McLaughlin. “Last week’s arrest of Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky for the same kind of abuse suggests little has changed.”
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#12. To: Artisan (#11)
I feel certain the problems here extend nationwide.

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 11:39:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
true, but what I see here is an opportunity for a devastating PR blow to the state, aside from the football hacks. If PA socialists had done their job who knows how many thousands of molestations couldve been prevented. But no, they condoned it.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2011-11-27 12:06:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Artisan (#13)
and Pennsylvania most certainly is not alone...it is the State of the State.

christine posted on 2011-11-27 12:14:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Artisan (#13)
ever read stories of abuse like this that goes on in small towns for example? i have read numerous ones in Texas.

christine posted on 2011-11-27 12:16:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Artisan (#13)
Again, true, but it's PA that is under the microscope. I contend it's a national problem. You, being in CA, are at the epicenter of Hollywood, arguably the single most corrupt influence in our culture. If it, and the freaks this nation calls "stars", all disappeared tomorrow, the societal force feeding of sexual misfits would vanish immediately, and that would be a blessing. As a student of the pre Vatican II days, google the Legion of Decency. I recall it well.

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 12:18:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: PSUSA2 (#3)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
Eric Stratton posted on 2011-11-27 12:18:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Artisan (#4)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
Eric Stratton posted on 2011-11-27 12:21:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Artisan (#4) (Edited)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
Eric Stratton posted on 2011-11-27 12:21:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: christine (#15) (Edited)
Gerald Lauro, acting as an agent of PA govt, ruled that adults showering with children is acceptable & normal. Are Lauro & his bosses today, in 2011, showering nude with children that PA DCS steals from their parents?" Hows that for an opener? ;-)
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2011-11-27 12:23:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Jethro Tull, All (#6)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
Eric Stratton posted on 2011-11-27 12:24:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
Eric Stratton posted on 2011-11-27 12:26:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Artisan (#20)
To extrapolate Lauro's malfeasance, to an entire state, is where your argument rolls off the cliff, IMO.

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 12:30:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
Ive never heard of the Legion of Decency, I'll look it up. CPS depts nationwide are the most digusting evil agencies that exist. I've actually taken the one in L.A. to court & won. They are truly despicable satanic bastards, words cannot even express it.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2011-11-27 12:33:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Eric Stratton (#22)
I'm in complete support of home schooling, and give you, and anyone else taking the time, money and effort to do it, all the credit in the world. If and when you do have to turn them over to a government University, they'll have a solid foundation which will - hopefully - help them avoid the Ivory Tower Perverts. This said, it's still a crap shoot w/kids. The influences on them are pure evil.

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 12:36:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
but no one is claiming malfeasance on Lauro's part at all: the contention that there is nothing wrong with what he found speaks volumes for the agency that i know takes peoples kids daily for normal shouts & spanks given by normal parents.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2011-11-27 12:38:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Artisan (#26) (Edited)
No one is claiming it yet. It's all under investigation. But despite what is found regarding Lauro, sane people know it's complete malfeasance. Again, a sick sign of the times. I know nothing about biblical references, but I recall remembering, and being impressed by a reference that said something to the effect, as the end time approaches, those who previously exhibited good judgement and character, would change for the worse.
I think we're there.

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 12:48:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832
Eric Stratton posted on 2011-11-27 12:50:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Eric Stratton (#28)
the money aspect of homeschooling is in regards to the fact that most families dont think they could scrape by financially with only 1 parent working. & leaves the prospect of single parent homsechoolers virtually impossible. The bankers win again!
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2011-11-27 12:59:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Eric Stratton (#17)
men that grew up w/o dads, etc., etc., ... that don't nor ever did molest young boys.

That is not what I meant. I meant that those that grew up being molested are likely to molest others, same as those that had dads abuse the mothers end up being abusive too, etc.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
PSUSA2 posted on 2011-11-27 14:45:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Artisan (#20)
Gerald Lauro, acting as an agent of PA govt, ruled that adults showering with children is acceptable & normal. Are Lauro & his bosses today, in 2011, showering nude with children that PA DCS steals from their parents?" Hows that for an opener? ;-)

Now this story is really starting to smell like a texas feedlot on a hot muggy august day.
Either Lauro is lying, or the accuser is lying. I wonder who is telling the truth here. Cops dont lie, right? Especially when they are trying to cover their ass(es).
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
PSUSA2 posted on 2011-11-27 14:54:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: christine (#15)
ever read stories of abuse like this that goes on in small towns for example? i have read numerous ones in Texas.

There are plenty of pervs to go around. Sadly that does not surprise me, and the Jehovah's Witlesses are notorious for covering it up within their groups.
What makes this case different is that the lid has been blown off and it was not just one perv sidling up to a child. It was the use of a major local charitable group to create a front for pedophiles - and apparently some powerful and well heeled ones - who have the ability to make DA's "disappear". While I do not condone it in any case this appears to have been an organized operation that extended beyond Sandusky, and it was covered over and buried by adults who were more concerned with their careers, the money, etc., .... It is not just the abuse, as bad as it is, but the actions to try to cover it up and then justify the cover up.
The lack of apparent interest in doing what is right, on the part of the Pedd State fans and alumni, does not reflect well on them and the opprobrium it has brought about appears well earned.
Remember The White Rose"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2011-11-27 15:03:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: Original_Intent, christine (#32)
On a side note, if this was a hot female teacher, we would not be seeing the outrage from men associated with this story.
What is a calorie? Calories are the little bastards that get into your wardrobe at night and sew your clothes tighter... MY CLOSET IS INFESTED WITH THE LITTLE SHITS.
farmfriend posted on 2011-11-27 15:06:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Eric Stratton, Jethro Tull (#22)
I don't envy anyone raising children today, anywhere in this pig sty of a nation.
We wonder all but daily if the Tyranny/pigs are going to prevent us from finishing home-schooling our kids. There are so many false perceptions out there about home-schooling.

And those false perceptions have been carefully planted and repeated. The establishment/Psych power structure does not like home schooling because it shows up just how bad the publik skools are. That is one of the reasons they keep looking for ways to keep home schooled kids out of such as the National Spelling and Math Bees - because home schoolers are winning them. And given the very small percentage of kids being home schooled that is a powerful indictment of the skool systum.
Remember The White Rose"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2011-11-27 15:09:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Original_Intent (#32) (Edited)
who have the ability to make DA's "disappear".

Who are the "who" you are referring to?

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 15:11:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Original_Intent (#34)
#34, agree here.

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 15:12:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent, christine (#33)
On a side note, if this was a hot female teacher, we would not be seeing the outrage from men associated with this story.

Depends on the age of the kid. A teen would be one thing and a ten year old another. However, I'm not aware of any organized pedophile rings of hot female teachers using a charity as a front. Are you? Sandusky seems to have had a taste for young boys. Big difference. While the hot female teacher may well have a loose screw it is hetero not homo. Nevertheless an adult preying on a child is not acceptable. We had a former governor chased out of the state because it came out that he'd been screwing a neighbor's 14 year old daughter. The local establishment, including the Whoregonian Newspaper, remained mute until it was exposed by smaller press operations.
Remember The White Rose"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2011-11-27 15:16:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Original_Intent (#37)
yes age has a lot to do with it as does orientation though I'm sure if you asked Sandusky he would say he is not homo and actually believe it.
What is a calorie? Calories are the little bastards that get into your wardrobe at night and sew your clothes tighter... MY CLOSET IS INFESTED WITH THE LITTLE SHITS.
farmfriend posted on 2011-11-27 15:20:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#35)
who have the ability to make DA's "disappear".
Who are the "who" you are referring to?

If I knew I would say. I am simply making an inference. In the case of the DA it could have been another case, but the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests he was whacked. If, as I suspect and the rumors indicate, that the Second (s)Mile was being used as a feeder for other peds with high level big money connections then that provides a motive for silencing a too inquisitive DA. Like in any kind of detective work you have to start with the best theories that explain the available evidence and then dig for more evidence to either confirm or disprove the theory.
What is so troubling here has been the apparent active disinterest of a lot of people to start turning over rocks to see what scuttles out.
Remember The White Rose"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2011-11-27 15:22:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: farmfriend (#38)
yes age has a lot to do with it as does orientation though I'm sure if you asked Sandusky he would say he is not homo and actually believe it.

It would appear he has a lot of other mistaken apprehensions as well.
Remember The White Rose"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2011-11-27 15:26:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#39) (Edited)
In the case of the DA it could have been another case, but the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests he was whacked.

Consider this, keeping in mind Occam's razor;
1) There was a known family history of suicide. Gricar’s brother, Roy, committed suicide. Roy Gricar suffered from serious depression, which can be genetic. Police and family members noted that the location where Ray’s vehicle was found – adjacent to two bridges over the Susquehanna River – bore some similarities to the location where the vehicle of Roy Gricar, was located before his body was found in the Great Miami River in Ohio in 1996.
2) Ray Gricar had a previous disappearance. While in his capacity as DA, he went AWOL for three? days, surfacing in Cleveland only to say he wanted to see his beloved Indians play baseball.
3) IIRC, at the time it was reported that Gricar’s demeanor in the weeks prior to his disappearance had changed. This came from his co-workers, people who knew him, and a member of the press that talked to him a month before; his girlfriend and housemate noted that he napping more. That could be a symptom of depression.
4) Had/if he was “disappeared” why would a presumably highly skilled team snatch him, but leave behind his laptop and hard drive where they both would eventually discovered? And in a nearby river no less? Surly the abductors would expect the river would be the first place to be searched. My experience leads me to believe it would leave the scene with Gricar.
EDIT:
5) Gricar's new car was titled in his g/f name alone. This could suggest a degree of "estate planning."

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 16:21:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Jethro Tull (#41) (Edited)
There was a known family history of suicide. Gricar’s brother, Roy, committed suicide. Roy Gricar suffered from serious depression, which can be genetic.

Unsupported assertion. There is not one scrap, iota, smidgin, bit, or crumb of evidence to support that ANY emotional attitude, tone, or behavior is in any way connected to genetics. That is merely an assertion with no supporting evidence.

Ray Gricar had a previous disappearance. While in his capacity as DA, he went AWOL for three? days, surfacing in Cleveland only to say he wanted to see his beloved Indians play baseball.

And that proves what? That he was an Indians fan? Citing it, absent any other evidence to establish any linkage or relationship, is simply a means of trying to confuse and create an impression where evidence is lacking to establish any connection.

IIRC, at the time it was reported that Gricar’s demeanor in the weeks prior to his disappearance had changed. This came from his co-workers, people who knew him, and a member of the press that talked to him a month before; his girlfriend and housemate noted that he napping more. That could be a symptom of depression.

Key words: "Could be". It could also be the behavior of a man who had received a credible death threat.

Had/if he was “disappeared” why would a presumably highly skilled team snatch him, but leave behind his laptop and hard drive where they both would eventually discovered?

When the laptop was recovered TWO MONTHS LATER its hard drive had been removed. Divers thoroughly searched the bridge area nearest where his car was found and were not able to find it. It turned up downstream in a mud bank under a bridge well after the body had been recovered. Gee do you think someone could, just hypothetically mind you, kind of, uhmm, err, ahh, dropped it from the bridge later?
The hard drive was recovered even later and separately i.e., it was NOT in the laptop. It had been wiped completely clean. Anyone who knows computers will tell you that does not happen by accident. When you erase a file, or drive, what the computer does is simply remove the pointers to the data. Then new data is simply written over the top. While there are now tools that will rewrite the disk with all ones and zeros even that is not fool proof as a good forensics man can still recover something, and the drive is not unreadable - it just reads all ones and zeros. While even if it had been in the water a good forensics man should have been able to recover something. Water does not erase magnetic media. Even if the mechanism was irreparably damaged the disk assembly could be cleaned up and placed in another housing and then read. However, there was no data to be recovered. That is an interesting datum. While nothing proves nothing the total absence of anything suggests very strongly that disk had been professionally wiped by someone who knew what they were doing - OR a blank disk assembly was inserted in place of the data bearing one before the hard drive was planted to be found.
It is also interesting what he didn't take with him i.e., his cell phone was discovered in the car. So, he leaves the much smaller cell phone behind and caries away his laptop, removes the drive after having it professionally wiped, and then jumps in the river with it. Yup, that definitely conforms to Occam's Razor. Makes sense to me. People do that every day don't they? That is jump off of bridges after removing the wiped hard drive from their laptop while leaving their cell phone behind?
While I can't rule out suicide neither does the evidence support it. The appearances are more that of a professional hit where the people doing it were well skilled. The hard drive wipe suggests someone was trying to eliminate evidence or knowledge of something. No, the evidence is not conclusive, but other than trying to dredge up his brother there is nothing that clearly suggests suicide.
Remember The White Rose"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2011-11-27 17:05:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Original_Intent (#42)
Research on the heredity of depression within families shows that some individuals are more likely to develop the illness than others. If you have a parent or sibling that has had major depression, you may be 1.5 to 3 times more likely to develop the condition than those who do not have a close relative with the condition">

Your comment,
When the laptop was recovered TWO MONTHS LATER its hard drive had been removed. Divers thoroughly searched the area where his body was found and were not able to find it. It turned up downstream in a mud bank under a bridge well after the body had been recovered. Gee do you think someone could, just hypothetically mind you, kind of, uhmm, err, ahh, dropped it from the bridge later?
What found body are you talking about?

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 17:15:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: Original_Intent (#43)
Bump to #43

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 17:39:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Original_Intent (#44)
Bump to #43, second request.

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 17:57:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Jethro Tull, all (#43)
What found body are you talking about?

My bad, no body was found, and I stand corrected. I should have said the bridge nearest where his car was found.

Research on the heredity of depression within families shows that some individuals are more likely to develop the illness than others. If you have a parent or sibling that has had major depression, you may be 1.5 to 3 times more likely to develop the condition than those who do not have a close relative with the condition">

Your comment,

Simply analyzing the logic one can quickly classify that assertion as junk science. Key words, MAY BE. "May be" is not science and it is not proof of a cause it is an assertion of a possible correlation. Co-incidence is not cause. Logically this is known as the fallacy of Division and it's sibling The Fallacy of Composition.
An assertion or assumption is not a fact, and asserting something does not prove a specific cause. As I pointed out to someone else that although characteristics of family members can be similar it does not prove a genetic cause nor does it represent a uniform distribution of behaviors.
Check of Proof:

John is a person
John's father is a drunk
Therefore John is drunk

or put another way

Alcoholism is hereditary
John's father was a drunk
Therefore John is a Drunk

The conclusion is unsupported and is therefore logically false. Where property "P" does not distribute uniformly throughout a population or universe.
Q.E.D.
Remember The White Rose"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2011-11-27 18:14:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Original_Intent, christine, 4 (#46)
My bad, no body was found, and I stand corrected.

Whoa....please don't take this personally, but if you entered this investigation not knowing this most basic fact, anything you say from this point forward regarding this matter, is, well, noise. Other than that you're a nice guy.

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 18:18:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: Jethro Tull (#47)
No, I was well aware of that fact. I slipped up. I have never claimed to be perfect - there are a lot facts and data bouncing around in that sometimes empty sphere.
I however stand corrected on that point but misremembering one fact does not disprove any of the other cited evidence. Neither does it disprove my logic lesson.
I can understand your looking for any chink in my armor of reason but I do try to be intellectually honest. When I slip up I admit it. It is the honorable thing to do.
I am not trying to humble you nor humiliate you, but neither will I compromise my own reality just to be agreeable.
Remember The White Rose"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2011-11-27 18:32:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: Jethro Tull (#47)
As a footnote the absence of a body actually supports my contention that it was likely a hit not a suicide as no body has ever been found, and yet both his laptop and the hard drive which had been removed and wiped clean showed up in the river. A dead body, unless weighted down, will eventually bloat up, surface, and likely wash ashore. And there were divers looking for it.
Remember The White Rose"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2011-11-27 18:36:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: Original_Intent (#48)
I can understand your looking for any chink in my armor

Chink in your armor?
I'm afraid it's much more than that.
It impeached your entire thesis.

Jethro Tull posted on 2011-11-27 18:40:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Jethro Tull (#50) (Edited)
Nice try no cigar.
No, you pointed out a slip in my memory of a fact I was well aware of.
In what way does the presence or absence affect the computer, the hard drive, the fact that it was wiped so clean that there was no recoverable data, that he left no note, no warning, nothing? There is no evidence to suggest suicide. And that he carried away his laptop and removed and wiped the hard drive, but left his cell phone and keys behind in the car?
Try as you might your attempt to assert it was a suicide fails because there is no evidence to suggest it was a suicide other than trying to assert that "his brother committed suicide therefore this was a suicide". That is so weak logically and barren of evidence as to be at best a very tenuous unsupported assertion.
Neither am I maintaining that his death was a hit though I think that most likely. It is merely that the preponderance of evidence suggests, circumstantially, that as the mostly likely explanation.
Why else would someone dispose of the body leaving no trace?
Neither does the evidence prove that it was the Sandusky/Pe** State case that was the reason for the possible hit. However, the suggestion that Sandusky was supplying boys to high level well connected people does suggest a motive, particularly if he was secretly gathering evidence for a larger case, and let Sandusky walk because of that.
Remember The White Rose"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2011-11-27 18:51:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: Original_Intent (#51)
No, you pointed out a slip in my memory of a fact I was well aware of.

You stated Gricar was found dead two times.
No sale on the slip my friend....
Now I'll leave you to redevelop another tale of mystery and intrigue, sans fact, of course.

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