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Title: The Brutal Truth About Penn State
Source: Grantland
URL Source: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id ... 04/the-brutal-truth-penn-state
Published: Nov 14, 2011
Author: Charles P. Pierce
Post Date: 2011-12-01 03:27:46 by Rotara
Keywords: yech, disgusting, disappointing, penn state
Views: 693
Comments: 54

The problem can't be solved by prayer or piety — and it's far more widespread than we think

"But you, when you pray, go into your inner chamber and, locking the door, pray there in hiding to your Father …"

— Matthew, Chapter 6

It was midway through the pregame prayer session that the gorge hit high tide. There is always something a little nauseating in large spectacles of conspicuous public piety, but watching everyone on the field take a knee before the Penn State-Nebraska game, and listening to the commentary about how devoutly everybody was praying for the victims at Penn State, was enough to get me reaching for a bucket and a Bible all at once. It was as though the players and coaches had devised some sort of new training regimen to get past the awful reality of what had happened. Prayer as a new form of two-a-days. Jesus is my strength coach. Contrition in the context of a football game seemed almost obscene in its obvious vanity.

So, when the feeling had subsided somewhat, I dropped by the sixth chapter of Matthew, and then I went on to the Teacher in Ecclesiastes, who warned his people:

For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.

And I felt better, but not much. There is solace in Scripture, but there are also too many places where the guilty and the morally obtuse can hide.

The crimes at Penn State are about the raping of children. That is all they are about. The crimes at Penn State are about the raping of children by Jerry Sandusky, and the possibility that people lied to a grand jury about the raping of children by Jerry Sandusky, and the likelihood that most of the people who had the authority at Penn State to stop the raping of children by Jerry Sandusky proved themselves to have the moral backbone of ribbon worms.

It no longer matters if there continues to be a football program at Penn State. It no longer even matters if there continues to be a university there at all. All of these considerations are trivial by comparison to what went on in and around the Penn State football program.

(Those people who will pass this off as an overreaction would do well to remember that the Roman Catholic Church is reckoned to be a far more durable institution than even Penn State University is, and the Church has spent the past decade or so selling off its various franchise properties all over the world to pay off the tsunami of civil judgments resulting from the raping of children, a cascade that shows no signs of abating anytime soon.)

There will now be a decade or more of criminal trials, and perhaps a quarter-century or more of civil actions, as a result of what went on at Penn State. These things cannot be prayed away. Let us hear nothing about "closure" or about "moving on." And God help us, let us not hear a single mumbling word about how football can help the university "heal." (Lord, let the Alamo Bowl be an instrument of your peace.) This wound should be left open and gaping and raw until the very last of the children that Jerry Sandusky is accused of raping somehow gets whatever modicum of peace and retribution can possibly be granted to him. This wound should be left open and gaping and raw in the bright sunlight where everybody can see it, for years and years and years, until the raped children themselves decide that justice has been done. When they're done healing — if they're ever done healing — then they and their families can give Penn State permission to start.

If that blights Joe Paterno's declining years, that's too bad. If that takes a chunk out of the endowment, hold a damn bake sale. If that means that Penn State spends some time being known as the university where a child got raped, that's what happens when you're a university where a child got raped. Any sympathy for this institution went down the drain in the shower room in the Lasch Building. There's nothing that can happen to the university, or to the people sunk up to their eyeballs in this incredible moral quagmire, that's worse than what happened to the children who got raped at Penn State. Good Lord, people, get up off your knees and get over yourselves.

There is something to be said, however, for looking at how it happened. Which is not the same thing as trying to figure out how it "could" have happened. The wonder is that it doesn't happen more often.

(How many football coaches out there work with "at-risk" kids? How many shoes are there still to drop? Unfair? Ask one Bernard Law, once cardinal archbishop of Boston, if you can pry him out of his current position at the Basilica of Our Lady of the Clean Getaway in Rome.)

It happens because institutions lie. And today, our major institutions lie because of a culture in which loyalty to "the company," and protection of "the brand" — that noxious business-school shibboleth that turns employees into brainlocked elements of sales and marketing campaigns — trumps conventional morality, traditional ethics, civil liberties, and even adherence to the rule of law. It is better to protect "the brand" than it is to protect free speech, the right to privacy, or even to protect children.

If Mike McQueary had seen a child being raped in a boardroom or a storeroom, he wouldn't have been any more likely to have stopped it, or to have called the cops, than he was as a graduate assistant football coach at Penn State. With unemployment edging toward double digits, and only about 10 percent of the workforce unionized, every American who works for a major company knows the penalty for exercising his personal freedom, or his personal morality, at the expense of "the company." Independent thought is discouraged. Independent action is usually crushed. Nobody wants to damage the brand. Your supervisor might find out, and his primary loyalty is to the company. Which is why he got promoted to be your supervisor in the first place.

It is not a failure of our institutions so much as it is a window into what they have become — soulless, profit-driven monsters, Darwinian predators with precious little humanity left in them. Penn State is only the most recent example. Too much of this country is too big to fail.

Further, the institutions of college athletics exist primarily as unreality fueled by deceit. The unreality is that universities should be in the business of providing large spectacles of mass entertainment. The fundamental absurdity of that notion requires the promulgation of the various deceits necessary to carry it out. The "student-athlete," just to name one. "Amateurism," just to name another. Of course, people involved in Penn State football allegedly deceived people when it became plain that children had been raped within the program's facilities by one of the program's employees. It was simply one more lie to maintain the preposterously lucrative unreality of college athletics. And to think, the players at Ohio State became pariahs because of tattoos and memorabilia sales.

By an order of magnitude, the Penn State child-raping scandal is miles beyond anything that ever happened with the Ohio State football team over the past five years, miles beyond anything that happened with the SMU football team in the 1980s, and miles beyond anything that happened with the point-shaving scandals in college basketball. It is not a failure of our institutions so much as it is a window into what they have become — soulless, profit-driven monsters, Darwinian predators with precious little humanity left in them. Penn State is only the most recent example. Too much of this country is too big to fail.

On July 20, Enda Kenny, Taoiseach of the Republic of Ireland, rose before the Dail Eireann and excoriated the Vatican and the institutional Roman Catholic Church for the horrors inflicted on generations of Irish children, horrors that they both committed and condoned. This was an act of considerable political courage for Kenny. The influence of the Church had been a deadweight on Irish politics and the secular government since the country first gained its freedom in the 1920s.

Nevertheless, Kenny said:

"Thankfully … this is not Rome. Nor is it industrial school or Magdalene Ireland, where the swish of a soutane smothered conscience and humanity and the swing of a thurible ruled the Irish-Catholic world. This is the Republic of Ireland, 2011. A Republic of laws … of rights and responsibilities … of proper civic order … where the delinquency and arrogance of a particular kind of 'morality' will no longer be tolerated or ignored … as taoiseach, I am making it absolutely clear that, when it comes to the protection of the children of this state, the standards of conduct which the Church deems appropriate to itself cannot, and will not, be applied to the workings of democracy and civil society in this Republic."

He did not drop to his knees. He did not ask for a moment of silence. He did not seek "closure" but, rather, he demanded the hard and bitter truth of it, and he demanded it from men steeped in deceit from their purple carpet slippers to their red beanies. Enda Kenny did not look to bind up wounds before they could be cleansed. And that is the only way to talk about what happens after the raping of children.

Charles P. Pierce is a staff writer for Grantland and the author of Idiot America. He writes regularly for Esquire , is the lead writer for Esquire.com's Politics blog, and is a frequent guest on NPR.



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after one read it seems like he nails this pretty good. i'm going back through it.

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#1. To: All, Original_Intent, JamesDeffenbach, TwentyTwelve, christine, 4 (#0)

yeah, pierce nailed it.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   3:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1)

pretty good summation read over here. this guy brings it hard and straight pretty much for main stream.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   3:39:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rotara (#2)

Ya know, this war being waged against all free minded people by the corporate elitists and their feeble-minded suck up wannabes is a silent but deadly attack upon everything righteous.

The average person not consumed and obsessed with current events is ignorant of the battle going on all around them until it smacks them down or kills a family member.

Until things go viral the independent mind will necessarily determine the most beneficial moves available to level the playing field.

"Anyone intent upon achieving "smaller government" should consider quitting the current fraud."

noone222  posted on  2011-12-01   4:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Rotara (#2)

One other thing struck me about this article. The author mentions the "profit motive" as the driving force behind news and entertainment. I whole heartedly disagree. The producers if the smut that oozes out of the Tel-Aviv-Vision is disgusting regurgitated homo-infected shit that only brain dead morons would view. (And they have millions of religious viewers).

But the point I want to make is simply this: THERE AIN'T NO FUCKIN MONEY" ... it's an illusion created like a placebo - it works ONLY because of people's FAITH in it.

Look how many times that lesbian sack of shit Ellen Degeneres failed to gain an audience and was repeatedly shoved down our throat. She is and was a financial loser but the establishment wants to promote fags and queers as "normal" in order to control population. So, they're training up their viewers kids to become homos.

People need to know that it ain't about money at the highest levels of the establishment because there ain't no money (it's all credit) but the power and total control is their obsession, their drug, and in the final analysis makes all of their perversions possible.

And my only bitch is that these shit eating scumbags have the very people they crush hypnotically conditioned to finance their own destruction and that of future generations.

"Anyone intent upon achieving "smaller government" should consider quitting the current fraud."

noone222  posted on  2011-12-01   4:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Rotara (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-01   9:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: noone222 (#4)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-01   9:50:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Rotara (#0)

Brown, who is a co-founder and co-director of a Christian Ministry called Mission Nebraska, said he was approached by the Fellowship of Christian Athletes to consider doing something on Saturday. He then talked to someone from Athletes in Action for Penn State Friday night.

Brown added he got a call from Nebraska's Director of Football Operations, who had talked to Penn State's Director of Football Operations, and he was informed both Pelini and Bradley thought it would be a great idea.">

The idea for a pregame prayer came from Nebraska.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-12-01   9:54:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#7) (Edited)

The idea for a pregame prayer came from Nebraska.

i know. my program handled that mess with class.

BO didn't think it should have been played, nor did i and many of us.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=odWlymyra1w


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   14:20:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eric Stratton (#5)

i've read it 7 or 8 times now. spot spot on.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   14:21:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Rotara (#0)

Dang...right on!!! great writing from beginning to end...gave me goosebumps.

For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.

may it all hang out...chips fall where they may.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2011-12-01   14:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rotara (#0)

The crimes at Penn State are about the raping of children. That is all they are about. The crimes at Penn State are about the raping of children by Jerry Sandusky, and the possibility that people lied to a grand jury about the raping of children by Jerry Sandusky, and the likelihood that most of the people who had the authority at Penn State to stop the raping of children by Jerry Sandusky proved themselves to have the moral backbone of ribbon worms.

It no longer matters if there continues to be a football program at Penn State. It no longer even matters if there continues to be a university there at all. All of these considerations are trivial by comparison to what went on in and around the Penn State football program.

This bears repeating. It is the kind of thing normal decent people have trouble confronting because it is so evil, so foul, so perverse, that they do want to look, that it is so stomach turning and soul wrenching that they turn their face and hide so that they can pretend they do not see it. That changes nothing, and foulness still lives.

The crimes at Penn State are about the raping of children. That is all they are about.

The crimes at Penn State are about the raping of children. That is all they are about.

The crimes at Penn State are about the raping of children. That is all they are about.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-01   15:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton (#5)

Basilica of Our Lady of the Clean Getaway in Rome

That's morbidly hilarious.

i agree. this pierce guy is worth more investigation. i'll bet he's a wag in most ways but who knows. he hit this one out of the park and with a certain pinache. or pinosh. lol


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   15:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

you know it.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   15:59:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#11)

the moral backbone of ribbon worms

i had to live through Franklin first hand with a friend who was in the frontline trench. it was a 'never again' moment for me. there is no cover for peds. pills limbaugh, politicos, titans of industry, or titans of college athletics. you don't rape. you don't rape children. these are not random ideas.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   16:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: All (#14)

It no longer matters if there continues to be a football program at Penn State. It no longer even matters if there continues to be a university there at all. All of these considerations are trivial by comparison to what went on in and around the Penn State football program.

This bears repeating.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   16:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Rotara, christine, ambi, Eric Stratton, All (#11) (Edited)

It occurs to me that they are going to have a hell of a time getting a new head coach.

After all what decent coach is going to want to be associated with this program? Legendary Joe Paterno will now be remembered not for his coaching but for the raping of children under his watch and his lack of character. And there will be an odor hanging over this program for many, many years to come. I said early on that the only way for them to mitigate the damage would be total, open, and brutal honesty pursuing the rot to whatever extent it went. Instead they hired Louis Freeh for a cover-up and whitewash. Pedd State has been tried in the balance and found wanting.

Their options now shrink to existing coaches already tainted by the scandal or offering an obscene amount of money with all sorts of post employment guarantees. (Although, as I've mentioned previously, recruiting of players is going into the toilet as well. Most parents outside the State of Denial are going to tell Pedd State Recruiters and Coaches exactly where to stick their scholarship and likely in very definite terms. I know I would.)

Penn State is finished as Football power. That is just.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-01   16:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Rotara (#14)

the moral backbone of ribbon worms

i had to live through Franklin first hand with a friend who was in the frontline trench. it was a 'never again' moment for me. there is no cover for peds. pills limbaugh, politicos, titans of industry, or titans of college athletics. you don't rape. you don't rape children. these are not random ideas.

I am not by nature a violent man. I will stand when I must, but I don't go looking for trouble. This kind of crime outrages me so deeply that it is hard even to put into words. These kinds of violations of children are so vilely sickeningly perverse and such a violation of what real manhood is about that I would offer no mercy, no respite, and no rights of any kind to the kind of foul and debased degenerates who would do this to a child.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-01   16:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#16)

Instead they hired Louis Freeh for a cover-up and whitewash. Pedd State has been tried in the balance and found wanting.

if one single coach is retained, well, that would just be more confirmation.

i think lfreeh is enough confirmation myself. total whitewash..move along..the worst is over..yada yada.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   16:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#17)

have sandusky and his victims been tested for disease ? just a thought. maybe jerry was a conscientious boy rapist and was always using protection. yeah, i know. but that's where we're at.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   16:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Rotara, Jethro Tull (#18)

i think lfreeh is enough confirmation myself. total whitewash..move along..the worst is over..yada yada.

I also think it is indirect confirmation that:

A. Sandusky was pimping out kids to high level and well heeled donors and government types Pedophiles.

B. That everything possible is going to be done to sever and hush up any of the linkages back to high level Peds.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-01   16:18:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)

yes it is. which is why i personally will not stop until the book of truth on this is written. maybe tptb will kill me over this ?? this of all things.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   16:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Rotara (#19)

have sandusky and his victims been tested for disease ? just a thought. maybe jerry was a conscientious boy rapist and was always using protection. yeah, i know. but that's where we're at.

It would not surprise me in the least to see that some of the boys tested positive for AIDS or other STDs.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-01   16:24:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Rotara (#21)

And I will not quiet my voice.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-01   16:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull, Rotara, Original_Intent, Eric Stratton, Lod, all (#7)

Here's Tom's post game report in case you missed it that day:

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...ArtNum=140274&Disp=39#C39

christine  posted on  2011-12-01   16:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#24)

that's a powerful first hand experience.

it's hardly the end of this story either.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   16:34:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rotara (#0)

Never heard of Pierce, but the guy just wrapped it all up for us.

Thanks for this posting.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-12-01   16:35:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Lod (#26)

you're welcome Sir Lod. i concur with you. i've bookmarked this one.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   16:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine, Jethro Tull, Rotara, Original_Intent, Eric Stratton, Lod, all (#24)

Oh, I agree. The people closest are in shock and denial while in their heart of hearts they know something very evil has occurred. And it is very evil. It is though they just found out that their school is being run by Hannibal Lectre. I do feel sorry for those who are genuinely stunned, but sympathy for their plight is not sufficient. It is true that a great evil has visited Penn State and the pall of that evil will not lift until it is confronted with manly firmness, rooted out, and exposed to the disinfecting rays of sunlight.

Unfortunately most people have difficulty in confronting and taking responsibility for remedying great evil, and without that the stench will linger with aroma of a festering rot.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-01   16:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Original_Intent (#28)

it's a tough deal. but we press on. tough, tough, tough deal. disheartening. but yet we must confront it and defeat it. this could go, once again, to the tips of power. that's the group of players exposed here.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   16:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#24)

i take no pleasure in YOUR ox being gored, JT. none whatsoever. this is a..nother..pox on our new Conference. not fun. not to mention, we have ONE designated cross over fixed game outside our division as of now. it's p-s-u.

every year. there, here, there, here. i really liked the idea before this went to seed.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   16:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#24)

Here's Tom's post game report in case you missed it that day:

Something else he said early on stuck with me as well i.e., that Paterno was threatening to go public with more of the information he had on the goings on. Such has not, thus far, materialized. So, I have to wonder if he has been silenced by threats or by his attorney (so as to not incriminate himself further)?

With the appointment of Freeh to investigate conduct a cover-up and whitewash I have to wonder.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-01   17:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: All (#16)

Just random thoughts now:

For one a dichotomy: Organized Football has been heavily sold as a great place to build character.

Another meme down the tubes.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-01   17:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#31)

hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/...c554347c7af2075e951c9f294

Dec. 1, 2011 12:40 PM ET

Penn State pledges $1.5M for sex-crimes groups

GENARO C. ARMASGENARO C. ARMAS, Associated Press

Penn State President Rodney Erickson, left, responds to a question as Acting Executive Vice President and Provost Rob Pangborn, center, and Vice President for Student Affairs Damon Simons look on during a town hall forum organized by students at the university's main campus, Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2011, in State College, Pa. The event served as an open discussion between students and the administration about the school's recent sexual abuse scandal, which has resulted in the departures of school President Graham Spanier and longtime football coach Joe Paterno. (AP Photo/John Beale)

Penn State President Rodney Erickson, left, responds to a question as Acting Executive Vice President and Provost Rob Pangborn, center, and Vice President for Student Affairs Damon Simons look on during a town hall forum organized by students at the university's main campus, Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2011, in State College, Pa. The event served as an open discussion between students and the administration about the school's recent sexual abuse scandal, which has resulted in the departures of school President Graham Spanier and longtime football coach Joe Paterno. (AP Photo/John Beale)

Penn State President Rodney Erickson speaks at a town hall forum organized by students at the university's main campus, Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2011, in State College, Pa. The event served as an open discussion between students and the administration about the school's recent sexual abuse scandal, which has resulted in the departures of school President Graham Spanier and longtime football coach Joe Paterno. (AP Photo/John Beale)

Penn State President Rodney Erickson, left, responds to a question as Acting Executive Vice President and Provost Rob Pangborn, center, and Vice President for Student Affairs Damon Simons look on during a town hall forum organized by students at the university's main campus, Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2011, in State College, Pa. The event served as an open discussion between students and the administration about the school's recent sexual abuse scandal, which has resulted in the departures of school President Graham Spanier and longtime football coach Joe Paterno. (AP Photo/John Beale)

Penn State President Rodney Erickson, right, gives his opening remarks as T.J. Bard, president of the University Park Undergraduate Association, and Peter Khoury, president of The Council of Commonwealth Student Governments, look on during a town hall forum organized by students at the university's main campus, Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2011, in State College, Pa. The event served as an open discussion between students and the administration about the school's recent sexual abuse scandal, which has resulted in the departures of school President Graham Spanier and longtime football coach Joe Paterno. (AP Photo/John Beale)

Penn State administrators including President Rodney Erickson, far left, participate during a town hall forum organized by students at the university's main campus, Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2011, in State College, Pa. The event served as an open discussion between students and the administration about the school's recent sexual abuse scandal, which has resulted in the departures of school President Graham Spanier and longtime football coach Joe Paterno. (AP Photo/John Beale)

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) — Penn State University officials on Thursday said they will donate $1.5 million in bowl proceeds to a pair of sex-crime advocacy organizations in the wake of shocking sex-abuse allegations levied against a once-revered assistant football coach.

University President Rod Erickson promised the donation the morning after he and other administrators faced pointed questions at a student-organized town hall forum.

Erickson told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday that the Big Ten bowl revenue, which usually goes back to the athletic department, will go instead to the Pennsylvania Coalition Against Rape and the National Sexual Violence Resource Center.

"This presents an excellent opportunity for Penn State to raise the national visibility of this issue," Erickson said. "Our students and fans are focused on a cause to play for, to cheer for."

Also Thursday, Jerry Sandusky's lawyer said he has not discussed pleading guilty with his client and that the former coach continues to maintain he is innocent of the charges against him.

Joe Amendola said he would consider "possible alternatives" with Sandusky if new charges are filed that involve more victims than the eight boys covered by the 40 pending criminal counts, but that Sandusky has never considered a plea in his case. Sandusky, 67, is awaiting a preliminary hearing.

Amendola said the topic of a guilty plea came up as a "what-if" question from a reporter about potential additional charges.

"My answer to the 'what if' question was analogous to saying, if weather forecasters were predicting a blizzard next week, which they are not, I would have to at least consider the possibility of postponing my scheduled trip to Philadelphia," Amendola said in an email.

The Wednesday night forum on Penn State's main campus came on the heels of fresh sex abuse allegations against Sandusky, who was accused in a lawsuit of sexually abusing a young boy more than 100 times after meeting him through the charity the coach founded in the 1970s.

The state police commissioner has criticized school leaders for failing to do more to alert authorities to the allegations, and Erickson told about 450 attendees at a crowded auditorium at the student union building that ethics would be raised "to a new level so that everyone at the university understands not just the legal thing to do, but the moral thing to do, so that we learn to do the right thing the first time, every time."

Students appeared grateful to get answers more than three weeks after Sandusky was charged Nov. 5, hopeful it would aid in the arduous healing process.

"I think this is a good start for a lot of good things that can happen at the university," said student Andrew Comes, 21, following the two-hour forum. "It's a singularly bad event, but there can still be positive repercussions and good things happening from it."

Administrators sought to reassure students worried about the unintended ramifications of the scandal, such as the reputation of a Penn State degree.

After several questioners mentioned they felt shamed by the scandal, vice president Henry Foley, as part of an answer about the school's top three priorities, told students to focus on academics and to "recognize that none of you are guilty. ... You may feel shame, but none of you are guilty. Just keep doing what you came here to do."

The scandal has resulted in the departures of head coach Joe Paterno and university President Graham Spanier. Athletic Director Tim Curley has been placed on administrative leave, and Vice President Gary Schultz, who was in charge of the university's police department, has stepped down.

Schultz and Curley are charged with lying to the grand jury and failure to report to police. They also maintain their innocence and have a preliminary hearing later this month.

Erickson told reporters after the forum that Spanier was currently on sabbatical, and that as a tenured faculty member would have the right to teach if he so desired.

Several students also asked about the treatment of Paterno, who was the only school leader fired in the scandal's aftermath. Erickson said afterward he could not offer a detailed answer because it was the trustees' decision.

He reiterated there was no truth to Internet-fueled rumors that Paterno's statue outside Beaver Stadium would be removed, or that the Paterno name would be removed from the campus library for which the Paterno family has donated millions.

"At some appropriate time down the road, I'm sure there will be an opportunity to also reflect on the many years of service Joe and (wife Sue Paterno) provided the university and the many good things that they've done for Penn State," Erickson said, eliciting brief applause.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   17:16:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Rotara, all (#33)

Penn State University officials on Thursday said they will donate $1.5 million in bowl proceeds to a pair of sex-crime advocacy organizations in the wake of shocking sex-abuse allegations levied against a once-revered assistant football coach.

Translation: They've hired a Public Relations Firm which is telling them what to do to minimize the damage to the Cash Cow i.e., the Peddball Program.

The cover-up and whitewash are gearing up and moving into high speed.

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-01   17:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Original_Intent (#34)

that's right. if i wasn't so lazy i'd have put that in bold myself.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2011-12-01   17:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Original_Intent (#34)

Check out the following 4 pages.

http://www.armstrongmywire.com/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9RBVNHG0%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=1011&page=4

You blame Joe Paterno when the lousy PA state law protects Penn State University. Now you know what Joe Paterno meant when he said he wished he could have done more. Post this as a thread since you want to see this scandal to an end.

ambi  posted on  2011-12-01   21:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: All (#35) (Edited)

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate...n_state_board_of_tru.html

It now appears the Board of Trustees violated the law when it fired Paterno. They’ll meet tomorrow to fire him again, as per the Sunshine Laws of PA. The conduct of the BOT has been shameful from the moment the shit hit the fan. These people shouldn’t be running a candy store, never mind a university. This should not have been a corporate boardroom where the good old boys pat each other on the back, pick up a check and tell each other how great they are doing. BoT seats have been ceremonial positions given to windbags and corporate whores. When action was called for they failed the test "UNANIMOUSLY". These are the same s’bags who approved of paying Spanier between 800k-1million so he could build useless edifices and introduce dozens of worthless majors that now have legions of kids in debt and squatting in our parks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-12-01   21:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: ambi (#36)

You blame Joe Paterno when the lousy PA state law protects Penn State University.

So, this excuses his failure to take it public in what way? And I do not hold Paterno solely culpable nor do I even regard him as the most culpable, but he is culpable to some degree.

Why do you hate children?

Remember The White Rose
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-01   21:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Rotara, 4 (#30)

Thanks R. The shock and awe is wearing off and there isn't a soul I know who doesn't agree that anyone involved gets hammered.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2011-12-01   22:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Original_Intent (#38)

Why do you hate children?

I hate them just as much as you do. You are clamouring for hides at PS, but I don't hear you are praying for the children that were abused What gall you have!

ambi  posted on  2011-12-01   22:13:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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