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Title: The Appeal of Intellligent Women
Source: Alpha Game
URL Source: http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/
Published: Feb 12, 2012
Author: Alpha Game
Post Date: 2012-02-12 13:10:18 by Turtle
Keywords: None
Views: 656
Comments: 38

Susan has some interesting digressions from her post on the sex appeal, or lack thereof, of Emma Watson:

I am not saying that some men might not find above average intelligence to be attractive, but as a general rule it isn’t something that most guys look for, and unless the guy is a brainiac himself it is likely to be a negative.

Susan: Sounds like you’ve been reading your Roissy. Anything over 120 is just a pain in the ass, as I recall.

Guys with smarts at the upper end of the bell curve wouldn’t agree with Roissy’s maxims, however. Some of them tend toward the Asperger’s end of the spectrum, and I find them to be good company. We “get” each other, and we can sit there and babble on about computer/software/programming/science crap for hours and dig it.

However, Susan and Roissy are correct, the two commenters are not. Any woman with an IQ over 120 has, at the very least, a potential to be a pain in the ass far beyond that of her less intelligent sisters. What is so often forgotten is that the highly intelligent are as far removed from the merely smart as the smart are from the norm. And intelligent men generally aren’t looking for intellectual companionship from women the way most intelligent women think they are, as they’re more concerned about intellectual compatibility. For example, one of my hobbies is writing books, so it is FAR more important to me that my wife be able to amuse herself for several hours in the evening than provide me with a stimulating conversation about the various books we’re reading or whatever.

Also “stimulating conversations” are seldom particularly intellectual in scope or substance, as women tend to prefer talking about subjects rather than actually delving into them. I have met plenty of smart, literate women who enjoy talking intelligently about science, history, literature, and current events, but every single one will flee for the kitchen if something that threatens to go into detail such as intellectual dishonesty in the Euthyphro dialogue or the dichotomy of the Austrian Business Cycle mechanism and equity prices is brought up.

Spacebunny is smart and reads far more than the average individual, but let's face it, if we're going to talk about the latest books we've read, we're going to be discussing the Plantagenet dynasty and some of the historical revisions that have taken place since Runciman published his landmark work, we're not going to be discussing where I think Steve Keen might have taken his critique of neo-classical economics too far and reached some unsustainable conclusions. And with the possible exception of Veronique de Rugy's husband, I can't think of another man who might have the opportunity to do so.

The bigger problem is that for at least the last 20 years, smart women have felt the need to constantly challenge smarter men and it gets tedious constantly have to beat down their pointless arguments. And while it's very easy to blow apart the arguments of a stupid or average woman in such a way that they will accept it, it can be extraordinarily difficult to convince a woman of above-average intelligence of the flaws in hers, even when they are clear and undeniable. The backtracking, the ex post facto redefining, the goalpost-moving, it's all just a vast and tedious exercise in attempted face-saving and it is neither stimulating nor enjoyable.

This is not to say that men of moderate intelligence don't behave exactly the same way when attempting to defend the indefensible, it's just that such behavior is not a relationship concern to highly intelligent men who are not gay.


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I've read before that a woman with an IQ above 120 is a pain in the ass. That's not true as long you occasionally beat them, so that they understand men are rational and women are, as was so famously noted in "As Good As It Gets," men "without reason and accountability."

My IQ keeps coming up at 126 (and has since I was 12) and I don't care to discuss the Austrian business cycle except in general terms. But then, I'm not autistic or even have Asperger's.

The last movie I saw was "Anonymous" and I don't even care if Shakespeare was Edward De Vere of if he wasn't.

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#1. To: farmfriend, abraxas, christine (#0)

Ha!

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-12   13:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Turtle (#0)

Exhaustive research decades ago, lead me to the conclusion that the more intelligent the woman, the better in bed she would be.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-02-12   13:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Turtle (#0)

My IQ was found to be at 120 when I was six years of age. I am also an Aspie. No shame there. I don't talk about intellectual books. I literally read them. I don't talk about law either. I am self-taught in litigation all the way up to the US Supreme Court. I don't care much about small talk or small-minded people. Most of my friends work in the government intelligence field.

As far as men, I guess I could say that perhaps I intimidate them. I was raised at a young age to read read read books constantly. I did not spend my time thinking about boys. I grew up in a very well-educated family background. My folks would have us kids read a book and then write about it. I was in the fifth grade. Graduated from two difference high schools and with honors.

purplerose  posted on  2012-02-12   13:33:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#2)

"Exhaustive research decades ago,"

NEVER STOP LEARNING !!!!!!!

ndcorup  posted on  2012-02-12   15:29:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: ndcorup (#4)

lol

You're right.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-02-12   15:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: purplerose (#3)

"I was raised at a young age to read read read books constantly. "

Same Here!!!!

However there WAS a brief Break in that at around 13 - 18 when I discovered Playboy and Penthouse. I only read the jokes and cartoons.............really...

ndcorup  posted on  2012-02-12   15:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: purplerose (#3)

My IQ was found to be at 120 when I was six years of age.

I think that everyone with an IQ of 120 and above should be put in special schools so they can be with their own kind.

I'll admit, I was completely mystified why I was in school with idiots, starting in 7th grade.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-15   12:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Turtle (#7)

Well, with me I was always told I was an idiot growing up. I did not discover the IQ info until July 6th, 2009, while I was going through my baby book that is in my mothers possession. When I stumbled upon that, I was shocked and asked her why she never told me this. She could give me no explanation.

purplerose  posted on  2012-02-15   12:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: purplerose (#8)

She could give me no explanation.

"Sob! I didn't want my baby girl to grown up to be a nerd/geek/autistic/Asperger's!"

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-15   13:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Turtle (#9)

Yep! That's what I really am. And I'm content with that. :)

purplerose  posted on  2012-02-15   13:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)

The bigger problem is that for at least the last 20 years, smart women have felt the need to constantly challenge smarter men and it gets tedious constantly have to beat down their pointless arguments. And while it's very easy to blow apart the arguments of a stupid or average woman in such a way that they will accept it, it can be extraordinarily difficult to convince a woman of above-average intelligence of the flaws in hers, even when they are clear and undeniable. The backtracking, the ex post facto redefining, the goalpost-moving, it's all just a vast and tedious exercise in attempted face-saving and it is neither stimulating nor enjoyable.

This is not to say that men of moderate intelligence don't behave exactly the same way when attempting to defend the indefensible, it's just that such behavior is not a relationship concern to highly intelligent men who are not gay.

That right there is probably the greatest truth ever told, and more specifically, this part:

The backtracking, the ex post facto redefining, the goalpost-moving, it's all just a vast and tedious exercise in attempted face-saving and it is neither stimulating nor enjoyable.


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Critter  posted on  2012-02-15   13:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Critter (#11)

The bigger problem is that for at least the last 20 years, smart women have felt the need to constantly challenge smarter men and it gets tedious constantly have to beat down their pointless arguments.

I've had women not want to see me anymore after I've pointed out the nonsense of their arguments, e.g., "Universal healthcare will work here because it works in other countries."

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-15   13:45:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Turtle (#12) (Edited)

No employer is obligated to give you health insurance. This Universal Healthcare Plan is purely socialism and is what causes businesses to go bankrupt.

purplerose  posted on  2012-02-15   13:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Turtle (#12)

Same here, but this is what gets on my nerves the most:

The backtracking, the ex post facto redefining, the goalpost-moving, it's all just a vast and tedious exercise in attempted face-saving and it is neither stimulating nor enjoyable.


"[Ron Paul is] the only one who understands our problems. For the rest of them, it’s like a geography bee — name the country, and they want to fight them,” - Jason Nunn

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Critter  posted on  2012-02-15   13:48:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Turtle, 4 (#0)

For me, the appeal of a woman is about a whole host of things, with intelligence but one component. And I wouldn't describe the intelligence that attracts me as the byproduct of an IQ test. In all the cases where I've been attracted to a woman, there was an "instant connection" that some call chemistry, love at first sight, etc. Whatever name one chooses, the effect/feeling is unmistakable. It's either there from the get go, or it isn't. At least for me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-02-15   13:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: purplerose (#13)

No employer is obligated to give you health insurance. This Universal Healthcare Plan is purely socialism and is what causes businesses to go bankrupt.

Try and explain that to some liberal (male or female) who really thinks it works in Cuba or Canada or England or Europe.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-15   13:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Turtle (#12)

I've had women not want to see me anymore after I've pointed out the nonsense of their arguments, e.g., "Universal healthcare will work here because it works in other countries."

Win the battle, lose the war.

You should have won the argument after sex, not before. JMO, and unless there is more to the story than you are letting on...

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-02-15   14:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: PSUSA2 (#17)

You should have won the argument after sex, not before. JMO, and unless there is more to the story than you are letting on...

This is before sex.

Actually, I've never much cared to have sex with ignorant women.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-15   14:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Turtle, abraxas (#0)

The last movie I saw was "Anonymous" and I don't even care if Shakespeare was Edward De Vere of if he wasn't.

He wasn't. He was most likely though a closet homo - De Vere that is. The Snobboratti just can't handle that the genius of the Bard of Stratford on Avon was a mere commoner. So, they have to invent curious theories as to how that mere commoner William Shakespeare could have written all of those brilliant plays. So, they have to invent a "conspiracy theory" that De Vere could not, because of the culture of the times, lay claim publicly to his writing. Of course there are other theories too. The simplest is that Shakespeare was simply a genius that doesn't fit into the narrow mold of the class snobs.

As for intelligent women here is one vote in their favor. It is just so nice to be able to sit down and talk to a woman who has a real mind and not have to worry that subtle turns of humor are going to slide by unnoticed and earn only a look of "you're weird".

So, ab? Where are you on the "great debate"? De Vere or not De Vere? That is the question.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-15   15:15:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: ndcorup (#6)

However there WAS a brief Break in that at around 13 - 18 when I discovered Playboy and Penthouse. I only read the jokes and cartoons.............really...

Me too. Love those articles as well. ;-)

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-15   15:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Turtle, purplerose (#16)

Try and explain that to some liberal (male or female) who really thinks it works in Cuba or Canada or England or Europe.

That gives new meaning to the phrase "exercise in futility". Advocates enraptured by Marxist-Socialist systems do not think. They emote (or are operating from a hidden hatred of freedom). Rational analysis of the practical results from their quack nostrums is not within their realm. That is one of the reasons Robin blew this joint - she could not handle a point by point refutation of her dream of enforced State Controlled hellthcare.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-15   15:23:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Critter (#11)

That right there is probably the greatest truth ever told, and more specifically, this part:

The backtracking, the ex post facto redefining, the goalpost-moving, it's all just a vast and tedious exercise in attempted face-saving and it is neither stimulating nor enjoyable.

Amen. Not to mention having to pretend to accept her arguments or you don't get laid.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-15   15:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Turtle (#0)

Intellligent

LOL! When did intelligent require an extra 'l' Turtle?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-02-15   16:05:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#19)

He was most likely though a closet homo - De Vere that is.

lol....I'll go with the closet homo analysis on De Vere and the conspiracy theory regarding his work and attributes as well. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-02-15   16:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#15)

Is this one "smart" enough for you?

" Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics................................ Even if you win, you're still retarded ":

Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities. –Voltaire

Hmmmmm  posted on  2012-02-15   17:04:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: abraxas (#24)

He was most likely though a closet homo - De Vere that is.

lol....I'll go with the closet homo analysis on De Vere and the conspiracy theory regarding his work and attributes as well. : )

Thank you. That confirms my analysis that you are indeed a most perspicacious woman.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-15   17:13:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Turtle (#0)

EQ, imho, is much more important to success in life, for both men and women, than IQ.

Emotional intelligence (EI) is the ability to identify, assess, and control the emotions of oneself, of others, and of groups.

christine  posted on  2012-02-15   17:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine, Turtle (#27)

EQ, imho, is much more important to success in life, for both men and women, than IQ.

Emotional intelligence (EI) is the ability to identify, assess, and control the emotions of oneself, of others, and of groups.

Though to some extent that depends upon by which yardstick you measure success.

In our current material oriented culture success is measured in "things" and accumulated "stuff".

By St. Augustine's measure, who was quite materially oriented before he became a "Man of the Cloth", it was all dismissed as "perishable goods" and that what was important was spiritual development. In his case achieved through the worship of God.

Buddha, Gautama Siddhartha, who came from a wealthy and privileged background also arrived at a similar destination. That there are measures other than how much "stuff" one accumulates.

Robert Heinlein put it, cynically, that success in our society is measured by achieving a muscular bank account by whatever means.

Success is an elusive term because what it is, and how measured, is highly dependent upon an individual's own viewpoint and which yardstick they use. Diogenes was by some measures a success despite living a life of poverty and not having, as the saying goes, "a pot to piss in or a handle to hold onto".

I would think, from my own point of view, that earning your own self respect is the foundation, and if you have done that then you are a success regardless of what others may think.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-15   18:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Hmmmmm (#25)

LOL!!

When did they release you from Gitmo?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-02-15   19:44:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#29)

When did they release you from Gitmo?

Shhhh! They'll take my library privileges away.

" Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics................................ Even if you win, you're still retarded ":

Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities. –Voltaire

Hmmmmm  posted on  2012-02-15   20:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: christine, Original Intent (#27) (Edited)

EQ, imho, is much more important to success in life, for both men and women, than IQ.

Emotional intelligence (EI) is the ability to identify, assess, and control the emotions of oneself, of others, and of groups.

So from what I interpret here, original train of thought which is the ability to actually think for oneself is not as important as the ability to control, and/or manipulate other's emotions? Am I getting that right?

IQ is the ability to think and create something that nobody else has come up with. Some people say that gifted inventors fall into this category. Such as somebody who can actually create, design, and patent a scientific satellite for our military without much schooling. That takes intelligence and true ingenuity. It requires critical and rational thinking. The ability to use logic and sound reason.

And then, you have EQ, which is about cleverness, craftiness, or pure cunningness rather than just straight intelligence. Take for example a record company (like Sony). They are clever businesspeople but they do not have the ability to create, compose, and/or choregraph music like an artist can.

purplerose  posted on  2012-02-15   21:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: abraxas (#23)

Intellligent

LOL! When did intelligent require an extra 'l' Turtle?

Shut up, you wench!

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-16   13:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#19)

He wasn't. He was most likely though a closet homo - De Vere that is.

Shakespeare wrote a fair amount of homoerotic sonnets.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-16   14:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Turtle, farmfriend, abraxas (#0)

Intelligence turns me on.
I like women who can give good mind.


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Armadillo  posted on  2012-02-16   14:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Armadillo (#34)

Intelligence turns me on. I like women who can give good mind.

Turtle gives good Brain.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-16   14:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Turtle, Armadillo, abraxas (#35)

Intelligence turns me on. I like women who can give good mind.

Turtle gives good Brain.

Yeah, but he's interested in women. You'll have to look elsewhere.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-16   14:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#26)

you are indeed a most perspicacious woman.

Thanks OI......if I had a nickel for every time I've heard that I would have a dime now. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-02-16   18:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: abraxas (#37)

Well, I'm glad to contribute. :-)

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-16   18:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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