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Title: The Misfortune of Feminism
Source: UncleBob's Treehouse
URL Source: http://uncabob.blogspot.com/2010/05/misfortune-of-feminism.html
Published: Feb 14, 2012
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2012-02-14 14:26:01 by Turtle
Keywords: None
Views: 415
Comments: 31

It was in college that I first encountered feminism and realized it was not as it was portrayed. I had actually been somewhat sympathetic, believing then as I do now, in fairness.

I did not find this “fairness” in feminism. Instead I realized it was founded by man-hating lesbians, and was dumbfounded to find they had conned straight women into feeling sorry for themselves and being hostile toward men. And, instead of it claiming that men and women were equals, it instead insisted women were the victims of oppressive men – of “patriarchy,” a word I still read even today among far leftists.

These claims, as it true for all such claims, are based on the idea that problems are the fault of someone else – never the person with the problem. It relieves them of self-responsibility, although it certainly does produce hostility and resentment toward innocent people.

I was mystified by these claims of oppression, because I had never seen them. For that matter, still don’t see them. But for the women who have fallen for them, it has been very damaging to them. These claims have damaged men, too. They have driven a wedge in between men and women and their relationships.

It didn’t take me very long in those days to become aware that the women's “liberation” movement was a noxious ideology of victimhood that preached hatred of men. The proposed cure was to change men or else claim they weren’t needed. Now of course among man-hating lesbians men are not needed, but for normal women the claim is not true.

In my entire life I have never encountered any of these women supposedly trapped in suburban hell by patriarchal men -- the Betty Friedan/Gloria Steinem dystopia that launched the women's liberation movement. Every bit of it, I realized, was a myth.

Women's real problem is not male oppression but a clash of two incompatible female ambitions: work and motherhood. Because this circle cannot be squared, some women blamed men instead because they were unable to realize these ambitions.

Try as I might, I have never been able to figure out a solution to the problem of women having a career and trying to be mothers at the same time. The closest I have come – the closest anyone has come – is to have nannies to raise the children while both parents work. This solution is for people with money. Those with less money have to put them into day-care centers as fast as possible.

Of course, the only way the nanny solution can work is with a never-ending supply of poorly-paid Third Worlders to raise the children. These children, raised in their dysfunctional families, not surprisingly grow up with a great many problems.

Lacking true family, i.e. community, in their lives, and meaning and importance (which all of us must have), they become the bored, anhedonia-plagued, drug-and-sex-soused nihilists of Brett Easton Ellis’ “Less than Zero,” or of Tom Wolfe’s “I am Charlotte Simmons” (both of which remind me of Ezra Pound’s observation that the artist is the antennae of the human race, and the purpose of art is to wake people up).

Then there was the “sexual revolution.” While I had encountered very promiscuous girls in high school, it was only in college that it became political. It was a deadly mix.

Even at 21 I was encountering 19-year-olds who had sex with 15 men, then were complaining to me they could not find boyfriends. In fact, men who knew them were warning other guys to stay away from them. What was I supposed to tell these women?

Apparently these women never realized that a woman who is excessively promiscuous is known by all the guys, and her reputation is never a good one. They talk about her. Since women talk about men, how can they not realize men talk about them? “Gentlemen never tell” has never applied to sluts.

As the years went by, I realized there was a paradox: some women became promiscuous while simultaneously declaring themselves the victims of male sexual predators, which I found bizarre because the women were the predators.

I knew one such woman, who had sex with over 30 men, tell me in all seriousness that men were responsible for all the trouble in the world. She never saw the irony, since in her mind the men were responsible for her being promiscuous. How? Apparently she thought they had to power to make her act as she did.

Disturbingly, many of these women are very intelligent and highly educated. Even with these qualities, they end up unmarried and left on the shelf – their biological clocks having quit ticking as they realized to their horror they would never have husband, home and children.

Instead, they attempt to fill their lives with their careers (and cats), yet still are somehow expecting the same men they had abused and insulted to give them what they lack. Exactly how they expected this to happen, in spite of their hostility and venom, is something I have never been able to figure out. They’ve never figured it out either, because there is no answer to it.

Some of these women still think they can have it all. I’ve met 50-year-old women with fantasies of being a princess – of having a gorgeous and wealthy Prince Charming sweep them off their feet. And they are enraged he never showed up when they were younger, to support them in their careers until they decided to quit and have kids, after which he was expected to support the entire family on his own. I have never in my life met a man like this, or one stupid enough to want to be one.

Both men and women and their relationships have become losers in this game. We have lost a lot of things, and one of them is courtship rituals.

I have told women that in college I preferred to walk women home and sit on their porch and talk to them, or else go to a park and talk. That was my courtship ritual. I have always found the dinner-and-a-movie thing excruciating.

Some told me going to a park with a strange man was an invitation to rape. I found that a little strange, since the women who told me this were the most promiscuous ones I knew. I suppose it would have been okay to ask them to my apartment and then have sex with them, but sitting in a public park talking to them would have been considered an invitation to sexual assault. Again, they never saw the irony.

These problems between men and women, which always exist and always will because people are imperfect, have been exacerbated by the interference of born-rich C students who have entered politics. Laws are supposed to help, and the ones they’re passed over the last 30 years have done nothing but hinder.

For one thing, these laws have taken away the role of men as provider and protector, and have favored women economically over men. Then, again, what we end up with are women with careers, an apartment, two cats, and no husband, home and children. This is a good thing?

What would happen if the government stopped sticking its nose into what is none of its business? This means not only repealing laws attempting to social-engineer the relationships between men and women, but also the economy.

Wages, contrary to the propaganda, stopped rising in 1973, and it was because of government interference in the economy. If the government had not interfered with inflation, taxes, and laws, wages would have continued rising.

Today we’d have a good economy with plenty of high-paying jobs. A man could support a family on his income alone, and women could have a husband, home and children – which is what most, if they are honest about it, really want. They wouldn’t be forced into the job market whether they wanted it or not.

Fortunately, the tide has been turning for a while on this pseudo-feminism (what else can I call it?). Since it goes against human nature, it will ultimately fail. Unfortunately, it has left a lot of wreckage along the way.

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#1. To: christine, abraxas, farmfriend (#0)

I almost once died from snu snu in college.

You might want to Google that term.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-14   14:33:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Turtle, women, neuters, dykes, men, misogynists, misandrists, all (#0)

While I can't say I agree one hundred percent there is a lot of truth in what you write.

The chief victims of Feminism were women. Women sold a false ideology of Marxist-Feminist Lesbianism. Which really is what a lot of it boiled down to.

And like "The Great Society" it was planned social engineering to suit a hidden agenda. Gloria Steinem admitted in her book that the seed money for "Ms. Magazine" came from the CIA, and no doubt others had similar covert connections.

Initially Women's Liberation was almost a copycat of the Civil Rights Movement although it also had roots in the earlier Suffragette movement which garnered the vote for women thus empowering them as full adult members of society. The rest of the resistance to the planned Platonic Ant Hive society which our "betters" have planned for us was a matter of culture and tradition. While, yes, women did face discrimination and unfair treatment in the workplace just as with Negroes, who became Blacks and then with another bout of cultural schizophrenia "African-Americans", who were forcing the issue of social inequality the early Women's Liberation movement was of women and for women, but then like the Civil Rights Movement it was subverted and bent to a hidden cultural agenda dreamed up in some Psychiatric Think Tank such as Tavistock.

It is not that women did not have legitimate complaints as they did, but what began as a demand for fair and equal treatment became a vehicle to promote a control agenda by driving a wedge between men and women and now the pendulum has swung to where men are victimized by a system established to penalize intact nuclear families. Because the penalties, economically, are so debilitating for men many men are now avoiding the commitment of marriage like the plague. The laws are so heavily stacked in favor of ever virtuous women and against evil evil men that it is almost stupid for men to get married unless one is really sure of the circumstance. Sound familiar? Divide and conquer anyone? And in any event with the promotion of promiscuity as empowerment among women why buy a cow when milk is cheap?

Of course when, a few years back, the member census of N.O.W. showed that 50% were Lesbians the cat was, so to speak, out of the bag. With the revelation that Gloria Steinem was a CIA front and the publication of "Who Stole Feminism?" the feminist movement began losing steam, but we are still left with the strident man hating lesbians who run the various "Women's Studies" departments in universities and a host of laws that criminalize being male.

Fortunately, the tide has been turning for a while on this pseudo-feminism (what else can I call it?). Since it goes against human nature, it will ultimately fail. Unfortunately, it has left a lot of wreckage along the way.

However, there is still a legacy, and not just legal but social, to be overcome and resolved.

Feminist Quotes:

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." -- Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them."
-- Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.

"I haven't the faintest notion what possible revolutionary role white hetero- sexual men could fulfill, since they are the very embodiment of reactionary- vested-interest-power. But then, I have great difficulty examining what men in general could possibly do about all this. In addition to doing the shitwork that women have been doing for generations, possibly not exist? No, I really don't mean that. Yes, I really do." -- Robin Morgan

"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex." -- Valerie Solana, SCUM founder (Society for Cutting Up Men.) (My note: She ended the bore by committing suicide.)

"Feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice." -- Ti-Grace Atkinson

"All men are rapists and that's all they are"
-- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign).

"If the classroom situation is very heteropatriarchal--a large beginning class of 50 to 60 students, say, with few feminist students--I am likely to define my task as largely one of recruitment...of persuading students that women are oppressed"
-- Professor Joyce Trebilcot of Washington University, as quoted in Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women.

"Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.”
~ Catharine A. MacKinnon

And I think the final quote underscores what organized movement feminism was really about - social control and transforming the society to fit the tune of the Puppet-Masters.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-14   16:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Turtle (#0)

What would happen if the government stopped sticking its nose into what is none of its business?

Buzzard  posted on  2012-02-14   16:50:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#2)

The chief victims of Feminism were women. Women sold a false ideology of Marxist-Feminist Lesbianism. Which really is what a lot of it boiled down to.

I call them femiNAZIS.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-02-14   17:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BTP Holdings (#4)

I call them femiNAZIS.

Or FemSHEVIKS. Either way works. They are so filled with bile and hatred that they would engage in a bloodbath if they could get away with it.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-14   17:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#2)

Last I heard, 49% of the people in the U.S. are not married.

The children are going to be the ones who really suffer from that, from not having intact families.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-14   18:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Turtle (#6)

Last I heard, 49% of the people in the U.S. are not married.

The children are going to be the ones who really suffer from that, from not having intact families.

And thus the social transformation is achieved. With the destruction of the nuclear family then we a have a generation of dysfunctional youth being raised with no idea of what a means to have a HOME. They do know that the State is the source of income though. ALL HAIL THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!!

1960's: "The nuclear family must be destroyed... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process." -- Linda Gordon, Feminist Writer and ideologue

1940's: "The family is now one of the major obstacles to improved mental health, and hence should be weakened, if possible, so as to free individuals and especially children from the coercion of family life." -- International Congress on Mental Health, London, 1948

Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg?

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-14   18:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Turtle (#0)

I realized it was founded by man-hating lesbians,

Imagine that! Who would have thunk it? lol

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-02-14   22:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Turtle (#1)

Endless sex forced on a man by a variety of women usually resulting in the death of the man. From Futurama episode in which the main characters are condemned to "Death by Snu-snu!" by a alien matriarchal society, ignorant of the earthling male's view of this as a most fitting death.

in your dreams ;)

christine  posted on  2012-02-15   17:20:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine (#9)

in your dreams ;)

that made me laugh :)

That Turtle is a psycho !

"The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector "

Plato.

noone222  posted on  2012-02-15   18:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#2)

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign).

I molested myself last night. I said "No!", but I knew I wanted it.....

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-02-15   18:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: X-15 (#11)

Ah yessssss. The inevitable "no means yes" of the traditional mating ritual. Practiced predominantly in the barbarian cultures of Europe and North America.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-15   20:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent (#5)

FemSHEVIKS

I'm stealing that.

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-02-15   20:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Dakmar (#13)

With my compliments. I can't take credit for the coinage though. I saw it somewhere else a while back but I don't recall where.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-15   20:16:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#9)

Endless sex forced on a man by a variety of women usually resulting in the death of the man. From Futurama episode in which the main characters are condemned to "Death by Snu-snu!" by a alien matriarchal society, ignorant of the earthling male's view of this as a most fitting death.

in your dreams ;)

Ha! How little you know Turtle!

...who barely made it out of college alive!

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-16   13:16:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: noone222 (#10)

That Turtle is a psycho !

You're just jealous of Turtle.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-16   13:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: X-15 (#11)

I molested myself last night. I said "No!", but I knew I wanted it.....

At least it's sex with someone you love...

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-16   13:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: X-15 (#11)

We must make a sound track....... : P

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-02-16   13:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Turtle, X-15 (#17)

I molested myself last night. I said "No!", but I knew I wanted it.....

At least it's sex with someone you love...

Poor Turtle.......it's gotten so bad that he can't even convince himself to have sex with him. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-02-16   13:53:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: abraxas (#19)

At least it's sex with someone you love...

Poor Turtle.......it's gotten so bad that he can't even convince himself to have sex with him. : )

It was a quote from Woody Allen.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-02-16   13:55:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: abraxas (#19)

I molested myself last night. I said "No!", but I knew I wanted it.....

At least it's sex with someone you love...

Poor Turtle.......it's gotten so bad that he can't even convince himself to have sex with him. : )

Oooooooooo! That's got to leave a mark.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-16   14:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#7) (Edited)

ALL HAIL THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!!

Recall what Cornwallis said to Washington when the British surrendered, "Soon, you will all be labouring for glorious World Government."

I hope to see what they predicted on C-Span, "The end of globalism." ;)

And, the cry of the Revolution, "No King but King Jesus!"

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-02-16   16:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: BTP Holdings (#22)

We shall see what happens. Actually I don't think we have any choice. I think the NWO is rotting on the vine. Yes, at this point they seem to be "in the Catbird's seat", but appearances can be deceiving. The problem with a psychotic regime is that, thankfully, the numbers of psychotics is limited to a small percentage of the general population, and once awoken the general, often neurotic but not psychotic, population vastly outnumbers them. That is why they are rushing so desperately to put their Police State control mechanisms in place as their window of opportunity is closing. Actually I think it is already closed but we are going to be stuck with the mess for a while and they are not going to give up readily.

The law of unintended consequences has taken hold via the Internet. With the clarity of 20-20 hindsight I think the Internet was opened up because the free market was already evolving their own networks of interconnected BBS's. I think the ARPANET was opened up to the general public to forestall that from happening. However, once the flood gates were opened the tidal wave of information and communication has swamped their ability to handle it and control it. That is why the repeated attacks against the open Internet because they desperately want to cut the communication lines among the ordinary people.

While there is a lot of shit and disinformation on the interenet a lot of good information is getting through despite all of the noise, a lot of the noise being generated by governments and intelligence agencies, and it is wreaking havoc with their plans for world control.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-16   17:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: abraxas (#18)

We must make a sound track....... : P

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-02-16   19:27:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: X-15 (#24)

Oh, so you want to play charades, eh?

lol : P

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-02-16   19:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: abraxas (#25)

Long ago, before the advent of Viagra, there was....

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-02-16   19:39:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: X-15 (#26)

Excellent choice, as our sound track is in need of a guitar solo. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-02-16   19:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: X-15 (#24)

No chicken choking allowed. ROTFLMAO!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-02-21   17:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: abraxas (#27)

We were supposed to work Van Halen in Chicago a number of years ago. It turns out the St. Louis County cops sent a couple of detectives up there with a warrant for the arrest of Eddie Van Halen for inciting a riot. Someone called the hotel and tipped him off. He took the next plane out of town. ROTFLOL!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-02-21   17:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: BTP Holdings (#29)

lol.....that's a great story. Sad state of affairs when detectives have nothing better to do than harass Eddie.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-02-22   10:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: abraxas (#30)

Sad state of affairs when detectives have nothing better to do than harass Eddie.

No doubt. But, it seems there were quite a few injurues caused by the so-called riot. They wanted Eddie, but they didn't get him. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-02-25   13:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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