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Title: Why You're Not Married
Source: Huffington Post
URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy ... oure-not-married_b_822088.html
Published: Mar 12, 2012
Author: Tracy McMillian
Post Date: 2012-03-12 14:54:33 by Turtle
Keywords: None
Views: 811
Comments: 32

You want to get married. It's taken a while to admit it. Saying it out loud -- even in your mind -- feels kind of desperate, kind of unfeminist, kind of definitely not you, or at least not any you that you recognize. Because you're hardly like those girls on TLC saying yes to the dress and you would never compete for a man like those poor actress-wannabes on The Bachelor.

You've never dreamt of an aqua-blue ring box.

Then, something happened. Another birthday, maybe. A breakup. Your brother's wedding. His wife-elect asked you to be a bridesmaid, and suddenly there you were, wondering how in hell you came to be 36-years-old, walking down the aisle wearing something halfway decent from J. Crew that you could totally repurpose with a cute pair of boots and a jean jacket. You started to hate the bride -- she was so effing happy -- and for the first time ever you began to have feelings about the fact that you're not married. You never really cared that much before. But suddenly (it was so sudden) you found yourself wondering... Deep, deep breath... Why you're not married.

Well, I know why.

How? It basically comes down to this: I've been married three times. Yes, three. To a very nice MBA at 19; a very nice minister's son at 32 (and pregnant); and at 40, to a very nice liar and cheater who was just like my dad, if my dad had gone to Harvard instead of doing multiple stints in federal prison.

I was, for some reason, born knowing how to get married. Growing up in foster care is a big part of it. The need for security made me look for very specific traits in the men I dated -- traits it turns out lead to marriage a surprisingly high percentage of the time. Without really trying to, I've become a sort of jailhouse lawyer of relationships -- someone who's had to do so much work on her own case that I can now help you with yours.

But I won't lie. The problem is not men, it's you. Sure, there are lame men out there, but they're not really standing in your way. Because the fact is -- if whatever you're doing right now was going to get you married, you'd already have a ring on. So without further ado, let's look at the top six reasons why you're not married.

1. You're a Bitch.

Here's what I mean by bitch. I mean you're angry. You probably don't think you're angry. You think you're super smart, or if you've been to a lot of therapy, that you're setting boundaries. But the truth is you're pissed. At your mom. At the military-industrial complex. At Sarah Palin. And it's scaring men off.

The deal is: most men just want to marry someone who is nice to them. I am the mother of a 13-year-old boy, which is like living with the single-cell protozoa version of a husband. Here's what my son wants out of life: macaroni and cheese, a video game, and Kim Kardashian. Have you ever seen Kim Kardashian angry? I didn't think so. You've seen Kim Kardashian smile, wiggle, and make a sex tape. Female anger terrifies men. I know it seems unfair that you have to work around a man's fear and insecurity in order to get married -- but actually, it's perfect, since working around a man's fear and insecurity is big part of what you'll be doing as a wife.

2. You're Shallow.

When it comes to choosing a husband, only one thing really, truly matters: character. So it stands to reason that a man's character should be at the top of the list of things you are looking for, right? But if you're not married, I already know it isn't. Because if you were looking for a man of character, you would have found one by now. Men of character are, by definition, willing to commit.

Instead, you are looking for someone tall. Or rich. Or someone who knows what an Eames chair is. Unfortunately, this is not the thinking of a wife. This is the thinking of a teenaged girl. And men of character do not want to marry teenaged girls. Because teenage girls are never happy. And they never feel like cooking, either.

3. You're a Slut.

Hooking up with some guy in a hot tub on a rooftop is fine for the ladies of Jersey Shore -- but they're not trying to get married. You are. Which means, unfortunately, that if you're having sex outside committed relationships, you will have to stop. Why? Because past a certain age, casual sex is like recreational heroin -- it doesn't stay recreational for long.

That's due in part to this thing called oxytocin -- a bonding hormone that is released when a woman a) nurses her baby and b) has an orgasm -- that will totally mess up your casual-sex game. It's why you can be f**k-buddying with some dude who isn't even all that great and the next thing you know, you're totally strung out on him. And you have no idea how it happened. Oxytocin, that's how it happened. And since nature can't discriminate between marriage material and Charlie Sheen, you're going to have to start being way more selective than you are right now.

4. You're a Liar.

It usually goes something like this: you meet a guy who is cute and likes you, but he's not really available for a relationship. He has some condition that absolutely precludes his availability, like he's married, or he gets around town on a skateboard. Or maybe he just comes right out and says something cryptic and open to interpretation like, "I'm not really available for a relationship right now."

You know if you tell him the truth -- that you're ready for marriage -- he will stop calling. Usually that day. And you don't want that. So you just tell him how perfect this is because you only want to have sex for fun! You love having fun sex! And you don't want to get in a relationship at all! You swear!

About ten minutes later, the oxytocin kicks in. You start wanting more. But you don't tell him that. That's your secret -- just between you and 22,000 of your closest girlfriends. Instead, you hang around, having sex with him, waiting for him to figure out that he can't live without you. I have news: he will never "figure" this out. He already knows he can live without you just fine. And so do you. Or you wouldn't be lying to him in the first place.

5. You're Selfish.

If you're not married, chances are you think a lot about you. You think about your thighs, your outfits, your naso-labial folds. You think about your career, or if you don't have one, you think about doing yoga teacher training. Sometimes you think about how marrying a wealthy guy -- or at least a guy with a really, really good job -- would solve all your problems.

Howevs, a good wife, even a halfway decent one, does not spend most of her day thinking about herself. She has too much s**t to do, especially after having kids. This is why you see a lot of celebrity women getting husbands after they adopt. The kids put the woman on notice: Bitch, hello! It's not all about you anymore! After a year or two of thinking about someone other than herself, suddenly, Brad Pitt or Harrison Ford comes along and decides to significantly other her. Which is also to say -- if what you really want is a baby, go get you one. Your husband will be along shortly. Motherhood has a way of weeding out the lotharios.

6. You're Not Good Enough.

Oh, I don't think that. You do. I can tell because you're not looking for a partner who is your equal. No, you want someone better than you are: better looking, better family, better job.

Here is what you need to know: You are enough right this minute. Period. Not understanding this is a major obstacle to getting married, since women who don't know their own worth make terrible wives. Why? You can fake it for a while, but ultimately you won't love your spouse any better than you love yourself. Smart men know this.

I see this at my son's artsy, progressive school. Of 183 kids, maybe six have moms who are as cute as you're trying to be. They're attractive, sure. They're just not objects. Their husbands (wisely) chose them for their character, not their cup size.

Alright, so that's the bad news. The good news is that I believe every woman who wants to can find a great partner. You're just going to need to get rid of the idea that marriage will make you happy. It won't. Once the initial high wears off, you'll just be you, except with twice as much laundry.

Because ultimately, marriage is not about getting something -- it's about giving it. Strangely, men understand this more than we do. Probably because for them marriage involves sacrificing their most treasured possession -- a free-agent penis -- and for us, it's the culmination of a princess fantasy so universal, it built Disneyland.

The bottom line is that marriage is just a long-term opportunity to practice loving someone even when they don't deserve it. Because most of the time, your messy, farting, macaroni-and-cheese eating man will not be doing what you want him to. But as you give him love anyway -- because you have made up your mind to transform yourself into a person who is practicing being kind, deep, virtuous, truthful, giving, and most of all, accepting of your own dear self -- you will find that you will experience the very thing you wanted all along:


Poster Comment:

This is bizarre...this is exactly when I've been running into since I was 12. As have most of the men I know.

And they wonder why so many men marry Asian women.

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#1. To: Turtle (#0)

Female anger terrifies men. I know it seems unfair that you have to work around a man's fear and insecurity in order to get married

jumpin jebus fuckin...

What "terrifies" us is in not knowing what pissed you off in the first place. Asking why doesn't help either, it usually just makes things worse, because they don't seem to know why either, except to say it's all my fault.

And I'm supposed to marry this? Ha fucking ha!

And it is their fear and insecurity that's the problem.

And their anger doesn't "terrify" me. It pisses me off. Any man that tolerates this shit from women deserves what he gets.

Other than that, it's pretty much what I see.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-03-12   15:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Turtle (#0)

All of the numbered points above, with a slight change in wording, can be applied to men who can't seem to find a steady woman.

It all boils down to selfishness, which is an all too common disease in this country.

randge  posted on  2012-03-12   15:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)

Men marry Asian women because these women have been brought up to walk behind their male counterparts. In Asian culture, women are not equal to the men and are mistreated just as American women but the difference is that Asian women don't complain about their abusive relationships. They honor their men despite the situation they have brought themselves into. Also, in Japan, their system is a monarchy meaning that the females marriages in the upper elite, are arranged by the parents.

It does not surprise me that many American men choose to marry Asian women. But Asian women are selective of the race of men they marry. In fact, they are status seekers all the way and if they choose to marry American men, the men must be in the white collar occupation. It is rare to see an Asian woman marry beneath her social caste system even if she is born into a poverty-stricken family. Security is important to these women just as it is to American women.

Also, I'd love to add that the author of this article needs to proof-read her work. An example of this is referred to in Sec. 5 entitled You're Selfish, in the second paragraph where the sentence starts out as "Howevs, a good wife..." Really very sloppy writing. :(

purplerose  posted on  2012-03-12   15:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: randge (#2)

There is nothing wrong with being selfish where it applies to educated women. Because these educated women have had to work very hard to get their degrees, it comes as no surprise that they prefer an educated man rather than some town flunky who cannot even write a half-way decent sentence. Women that make those improvements in their lives don't settle for just any man. Any mother who raises her daughter to just get married for convenience before the girl reaches age 30, without encouraging the daughter to further her education is doing her daughter an injustice. Character is one thing that men look for but what I've found out is that looks are just as important. And women that are well-educated know how to take care of their appearance as well as themselves. If they choose to marry, they marry men who are also well-educated and can take care of themselves in appearance.

To me appearance is crucial followed by occupation, education, and character.

purplerose  posted on  2012-03-12   16:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Turtle (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's bitch!

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-03-12   16:49:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: randge (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's bitch!

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-03-12   16:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: purplerose (#4) (Edited)

Being educated has nothing to do with selfishness.

If you're going to stick together as a couple, you have to have two partners that know how to give - physically, financially, emotionally.

It takes two to tango.

randge  posted on  2012-03-12   17:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: randge (#7)

'It takes two to tango'

Not necessarily, with no fault, woops I meant the man's fault, divorce, and the hammer of The State ready to brought down on his head at a moments notice.

Fact of the matter the risks are too high for most men to take, the rewards are all on the femaleside. Men are opting out, and teh wimmins are shocked and bewildered as to why no one will marry them, classic self delusion and projection, in other words most of them are straight up batshit crazy.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-03-12   17:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: randge (#7) (Edited)

Being educated has nothing to do with selfishness.

Selfishness can be connotated to have a negative and positive meaning. It is positive when you are improving yourself so that you do not become somebody else's burden or excess baggage. Examples are going to school, seeking theraphy, taking care of your personal well-being (appearance, health).

And then it may be negative when you are only looking for a mate to take care of you because you can't bear being alone or cannot take care yourself. This is not only selfish on your part but you become an emotional vampire where you suck the life out of the mate who is constantly giving and is not appreciated. In other words, they give emotionally, physically, and materially, but that is because you expect that from them. This may be from a potential mate who expects the woman to do all the cooking, cleaning, and etc because that's a woman's job. Well, it's no longer a woman's task anymore...it's that of a maid's task. Women are becoming better educated people and focusing on their careers which means they choose to marry later in life because they will have the means to rear their children up in a better environment. So, if this means they are selfish, then there is something very seriously wrong with the men who look down upon these women. These women have much to offer in a relationship. Intelligent women avoid men who frown upon educated women period.

purplerose  posted on  2012-03-12   17:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge, purplerose (#7)

Being educated has nothing to do with selfishness.

If you're going to stick together as a couple, you have to have two partners that know how to give - physically, financially, emotionally.

It takes two to tango.

From my perspective Marriage is the combination of two complements each bringing similarities and differences. Men are not women, and despite N.O.W., women are not men - and that includes dykes who think that they would rather be a man or in their psychoses, like some Drag Queen in Fairyland, have convinced themselves they are - take the pathetic Chas Bono for example. He is not a "HE" SHE is a she regardless of any surgical mutilation.

Marriage is a responsibility. Those who accept responsibility will do well and those who will not, will not.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-03-12   17:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lysander_Spooner (#8)

Men are opting out, and teh wimmins are shocked and bewildered as to why no one will marry them, classic self delusion and projection, in other words most of them are straight up batshit crazy.

"SWF, 36, slightly obese, some college: my child is The Center Of My Life, but I'm looking for a financially secure man who can lovingly contribute to our 'situation'..."

I only had to get all this from about four singles ads.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-03-12   19:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: X-15 (#11) (Edited)

slightly obese

What gave the BBW away? lol

You will get a laugh out of this one:

re: Fun with BBW Date: 2012-03-10, 2:40AM PST

Yeah, they make for easy skeet shooting - if you can get 'em airborne.

LOL......just found another funny response~

re: I need a wealthy boyfriend! (Reno) Date: 2012-03-04, 1:28PM PST

Try Ebay....

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-03-12   19:15:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: abraxas (#12)

re: I need a wealthy boyfriend! (Reno) Date: 2012-03-04, 1:28PM PST

Yo, Obama making it rain every day!!

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-03-12   19:36:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: X-15 (#13)

lol....

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-03-12   19:52:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: randge (#2)

All of the numbered points above, with a slight change in wording, can be applied to men who can't seem to find a steady woman.

yay! i'm glad a man said it. ;)

christine  posted on  2012-03-12   21:29:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine (#15)

R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

That's what it's all about.

randge  posted on  2012-03-12   21:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine, all (#15)

lol....Amstel chimes in.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-03-12   21:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: randge (#16)

R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

and Think! : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-03-12   22:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: purplerose (#3)

Men marry Asian women because these women have been brought up to walk behind their male counterparts. In Asian culture, women are not equal to the men and are mistreated just as American women but the difference is that Asian women don't complain about their abusive relationships.

I lived in Naha, Okinawa for three years, Deagu, South Korea for one year, Pusan, South Korea for one year, and in Manila, Philippines for two years. I have never seen a woman "walk behind her male counterparts." I've only ever seen that in Saudi Arabia. I don't know what Asian country you've been to but it sure as hell wasn't Japan, Korea, or the Philippines. It may have been that way in the past, but it hasn't been that way for a long, long time.

You are welcome to your opinion but my opinion is that you have no idea what you are talking about. American men marry Asian women for a multitude of reasons, just like they marry any other woman. To make a blanket statement is ridiculous. I married my Korean wife 20 years ago because I fell in love with her, just like everyone else who gets married. It sure as hell wasn't because I wanted a woman I could get away with abusing because her culture allows it. Hell, if I ever attempted to hurt her she would have cut off my balls or slit my throat the first time I went to sleep. I don't know where the hell people get this idea that Asian women are these meek little slaves that will let men do whatever they want. That's not true of my wife and it hasn't been true of most of the Asian women I've known and I've known plenty.

As a nurse practitioner with a DNP, my wife is a strong, independent, and successful woman, not the victim of an abusive husband. Your characterization of American-Asian marriages is baseless.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-03-12   23:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#19)

Based on my personal observation, these men chose to marry Asian women because they do not like American women. One of them was a former neighbor who was Orthodox Jew. He did not like American women because he felt they were too demanding and materialistic. He even told me this. So this is not my "baseless" statement but rather from somebody who told me how they really felt towards American women. He married this Asian woman because he thought she was uneducated enough to understand American laws. In fact, he even married her in Las Vegas so that he would not have to go through the 50-50 legal process like he would were he to have married her in California.

He also preferred Asian women and referred to them as "hoochie mamas".

It is not my opinion I speak of but from experience in living with Asian people. And I'm not referring to American-Asian women, but Asian women. I had a roommate who came to the U.S. from Vietnam. It was she who told me that Asian women strive to marry for status reasons. And they make it a habit to marry very well! In fact, they are taught this very young. No lie!

And you are also wrong to note that in Japanese culture about how the men treat their women. My former Japanese Sensei instructor treated American women differently than the men. He did not treat them as equal to the men at all. He was in his 50's while I was in my early 20's and he was from the old-school way of dealing with women.

As somebody who has lived with Asian people, and Middle Eastern people out in L.A. for 21 years, I can say with confidence that I am a very cultured woman. I dated Chinese, Iranian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Japanese men. These men were well-educated but from my experience, they do not treat American woman with the same regard as we would like to be treated. But that is because they are from the old-school way of thinking. It is only when they become American citizens and assimulate to our culture that they have a sense of respect for women.

purplerose  posted on  2012-03-13   1:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: purplerose (#20)

Based on my personal observation, these men chose to marry Asian women because they do not like American women. One of them was a former neighbor who was Orthodox Jew. He did not like American women because he felt they were too demanding and materialistic. He even told me this. So this is not my "baseless" statement but rather from somebody who told me how they really felt towards American women. He married this Asian woman because he thought she was uneducated enough to understand American laws. In fact, he even married her in Las Vegas so that he would not have to go through the 50-50 legal process like he would were he to have married her in California.

He also preferred Asian women and referred to them as "hoochie mamas".

Making a blanket statement that "American men marry Asian women because..." based upon your personal experience with one person is ridiculous and is, in fact, a baseless claim. You have one experience while I have dozens, none of which match your insulting characterization.

It is not my opinion I speak of but from experience in living with Asian people. And I'm not referring to American-Asian women, but Asian women. I had a roommate who came to the U.S. from Vietnam. It was she who told me that Asian women strive to marry for status reasons. And they make it a habit to marry very well! In fact, they are taught this very young. No lie!

You speak as if the Asian region is one country instead of multiple countries, each with its own culture. While there may be similarities, Korea was much different than Japan, and the Philippines was much different than either of them. Maybe it is the way you say in Vietnam. I have never been there so I wouldn't presume to say it's not true. Personally, I would be wary of making blanket statements about "Asian women" from discussions with someone born and raised in an agriculturally-based, third world communist nation. There is little comparison between Vietnam, Korea and Japan, or even the Philippines for that matter. Korea and Japan are both modern industrialized countries with strong middle classes and the Philippines has been Americanized for over a century.

Thousands of GI's a year marry Asian women in the countries they are stationed in and while some of them may be low class bar girls, just as many came from decent families; some lower class, some middle, and some from the upper levels. It's really not all that difficult when you are stationed in the middle of cities like American servicemen all over Asia are. My wife's family owns one of the largest construction company's in Pusan, the second largest city in Korea. They are very wealthy. I was a corporal who made extra money as an English conversation tutor at Pusan National University and was hired by her dad through the University to help my wife and a group of her class mates speak English better. We fell in love and the rest is history. My story isn't all that unusual.

And you are also wrong to note that in Japanese culture about how the men treat their women. My former Japanese Sensei instructor treated American women differently than the men. He did not treat them as equal to the men at all. He was in his 50's while I was in my early 20's and he was from the old-school way of dealing with women.

I never discussed how Japanese men or Asian men in general treated their women. They are indeed strong patriarchal societies. Some Asian men are abusive to their women, just like some American men are. It would be unrealistic to pretend it's not true. That is a far cry from stating that they force their women to walk behind them though, which is what I commented on.

If you think that Asian women are just meek little creatures who have no say in their lives then you are sadly mistaken. Asian women may not scream, yell, or browbeat their husbands into getting their way like American women do, but they damn sure make their opinion known, and a lot more Asian men than not listen to their wives. The phrase "if momma ain't happy no one is happy" is just as true in the Asian countries I lived in as it is here.

What you do not take into account is the changing dynamics of countries throughout Asia. The number of females aborted over the decades throughout Asia has created a big discrepancy between the number of women available to marry. This has given women a power they've never had before. Any Asian man who treats his woman badly is not going to have that woman long. Divorce is no longer as uncommon as it was. Japanese and Korean societies especially are changing at lightening speeds. I return to Korea once a year to visit my in-laws and the country and its people are completely different today than they were when I lived their 20+ years ago. Women throughout Asia are becoming lawyers, doctors, business owners. Hell, my wife's younger sister is one of the top GI surgeons in Seoul and teaches at Seoul University Medical School. My wife's other younger sister is a bank president.

Asian women are just not the way you portray them to be.

As somebody who has lived with Asian people, and Middle Eastern people out in L.A. for 21 years, I can say with confidence that I am a very cultured woman. I dated Chinese, Iranian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Japanese men. These men were well-educated but from my experience, they do not treat American woman with the same regard as we would like to be treated. But that is because they are from the old-school way of thinking. It is only when they become American citizens and assimulate to our culture that they have a sense of respect for women.

Once again, I never made the claim that they treated their women like American men do. My comment was about your incorrect statement that Asian women walked behind their men and the American men like to marry Asian woman so they can abuse them with impunity (paraphrased). As I stated, you are welcome to your opinion and I am sure nothing I say is going to change it. However, the fact that you would make blanket statement about Asian women as if they are all the cut from the same die instead of being individuals with different cultures and personalities tells me that any experience with Asian culture you've had in LA has been superficial at best.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-03-13   10:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Turtle (#0)

You want to get married. It's taken a while to admit it. Saying it out loud -- even in your mind -- feels kind of desperate, kind of unfeminist, kind of definitely not you, or at least not any you that you recognize. Because you're hardly like those girls on TLC saying yes to the dress and you would never compete for a man like those poor actress-wannabes on The Bachelor.

Huh?

People actually feel this way??

For real??????

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-03-13   10:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#21)

"...You have one experience while I have dozens, none of which match your insulting characterization..."

It's not my characterization but somebody else's that I pointed out to you which apparently YOU are insulted by. What I find insulting is that many of these American men choose to marry outside their American heritage all the while denigrating OUR American women. How dare they do that! I not only find that insulting but I find those men putting down American women and choosing to marrying foreign women to be traitors to MY country.

And what is even more disturbing is that these foreign women, whether they are Asian, Russian, German, etc., when they come to the U.S. and they take up on our American men they marry white-collar professional Caucasian men and many of them refuse to become American citizens. This is unbelievable but true. They have dual-citizenship status. I know this for a fact because my former roommate from Vietnam chose to marry only white-collar professional Caucasian men and she refuses to become an American citizen even to this day because she gets great tax breaks. She has been living in the U.S. since 1974.

You may assume that what I say is insulting to you and those like you who marry foreign women. But this is not my intention at all and I do apologize if taken that way by you. However, as a matter of personal observation by living with Asian foreign exchange students and adults many of these Asians come into this country under absolute false pretenses. They marry Caucasian men and work in our government such as TRW, Boeing, Putnam Bowes, etc, and they collect information on our military technology and report back to their country of origin. In other words, many of these Asian people, including women, live a double-life.

Again, my apologies to you, if something I said insulted you. I speak from personal experience in living with the Asian community for six years. You refer to my experience with Asians as "superficial" whereas I contend the experience to be a harsh reality.

purplerose  posted on  2012-03-13   12:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: X-15 (#11)

"SWF, 36, slightly obese, some college: my child is The Center Of My Life, but I'm looking for a financially secure man who can lovingly contribute to our 'situation'..."

I see that all the time.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-03-13   13:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: purplerose (#3)

Men marry Asian women because these women have been brought up to walk behind their male counterparts.

Doesn't happen.

By the way, most of them are American-raised, and still many white guys.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-03-13   13:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: purplerose (#23)

It's not my characterization but somebody else's that I pointed out to you which apparently YOU are insulted by.

You basically stated that I married my wife so that I could abuse her. Of course I was insulted. Anyone would be. I realize that you were not talking about me personally but when you state that "American men marry Asian women because..." you include me whether it was your intention or not.

And what is even more disturbing is that these foreign women, whether they are Asian, Russian, German, etc., when they come to the U.S. and they take up on our American men they marry white-collar professional Caucasian men and many of them refuse to become American citizens. This is unbelievable but true. They have dual-citizenship status. I know this for a fact because my former roommate from Vietnam chose to marry only white-collar professional Caucasian men and she refuses to become an American citizen even to this day because she gets great tax breaks. She has been living in the U.S. since 1974.

I am very well aware that I am considered a "race traitor" by many of the people on this site. So be it. That doesn't bother me in the least. Besides, it's not like I planned on falling in love with a Korean woman. It just happened. My guess is that this is how it happens with most people regardless of their origins of birth or color of skin.

I don't know what to tell you about men who bad mouth American women. I never have for the simple fact that I recognize people as individuals. Who knows, maybe the guys who said these things had bad relationships that caused them to feel this way. It seems to me that their blanket condemnation of American women isn't any different than your own blanket statement about American men and Asian women.

To my knowledge, the list of countries that allow dual citizenship is fairly small. According to this webpage as well as others that I looked at, neither China, South Korea, Japan, nor Vietnam allow for dual citizenship status. As a matter of fact those countries actually strip citizenship status from those who become citizens of another nation. My wife lost her Korean citizenship when she became an American citizen. She travels with an American passport and Visa when we go and visit her family.

You may assume that what I say is insulting to you and those like you who marry foreign women. But this is not my intention at all and I do apologize if taken that way by you. However, as a matter of personal observation by living with Asian foreign exchange students and adults many of these Asians come into this country under absolute false pretenses. They marry Caucasian men and work in our government such as TRW, Boeing, Putnam Bowes, etc, and they collect information on our military technology and report back to their country of origin. In other words, many of these Asian people, including women, live a double-life.

Which is why non-citizens should not be working in those positions. Anyone found doing these things should be arrested, tried as spies, and executed.

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-03-13   13:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#26)

Which is why non-citizens should not be working in those positions. Anyone found doing these things should be arrested, tried as spies, and executed.

Non-citizens should not be working in the United States period. Especially those on student visas or temp working permits.

Those who choose to remain in the U.S. should either apply for U.S. citizenship or be deported regardless or whether they were born in the U.S. (anchor babies) but their parents were not and/or they were from another country but claim they are a national of another country. The question ICE and Homeland Security should be asking of those people is WHY they are here.

purplerose  posted on  2012-03-13   15:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#19)

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Hahahaha. I agree. I had a Korean friend in Medical School who was always talking about how he wanted his mother to locate a good, shy, obedient, traditional Korean wife for him. His mother finally did, and he got a brilliant MD/PHD with a snappy disposition and a mind of her own. He was happy anyway.

octavia  posted on  2012-03-13   17:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: X-15 (#11)

slightly obese

That was funny.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-03-15   17:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: purplerose (#20)

Asian women strive to marry for status reasons. And they make it a habit to marry very well! In fact, they are taught this very young. No lie!

That's been going on forever in virtually every culture. Most women, especially American women are hypergamous by nature, the smart men understand this to be a fact.

Most American 'wives' are just hookers on retainer.

I frankly have more respect for a hooker, than a 'wife', at least the hooker bothered to learn something about sex, and she is up front with you about the price and the product.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-03-19   15:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: purplerose (#9)

Selfishness can be connotated to have a negative and positive meaning.

Selfishness by definition is a bad thing. I think you mean proper self-esteem, which is based mostly on competence, or excellence, which is the correct translalation of "the pursuit of happiness" in the Declaration of Independence.

Ayn Rand, who was both a lunatic and an evil person, never knew what she was talking about.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-03-19   15:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Turtle (#31) (Edited)

Actually, Ayn Rand was the first liberated woman to teach American women how to think practical, logical and with sound reasoning rather than using emotionalism. Rand was against socialism and communism. Today, most American woman think on socialist ideals. Because Rand exposed the true nature of socialism and communism, she was deemed evil to most women in America. Everything she exposed coming from a socialist nightmare of a country she hated because of its destructive nature. She even testified before the United States Senate hearings on Unamerican activities.

In my opinion, she was not evil. I deeply admire her traits and heroism to stand up to the very beast that destroys human dignity, life, liberty and the pursuit of individual happiness. Yes, that is what THIS country was founded under. Individualism. She was THE REAL "Susan B. Anthony" for women's liberation. It's sad when our society demonizes those like Rand. Just like they demonize those like Harry Woo for exposing the fact that China is still communist and that people who speak against the communist regime are sent to the gulag to be shot execution style and their organs sold in the black market to buyers in the United States.

Such words used to discredit Ayn Rand are the very same tactics the Communists have extensively used. Defame, Discredit, Destroy, are the tactics used in their playbook "The Little Black Book of Communism", when put to use to attack their enemies. Who are their enemies? Those who defect and abandon the Communists/Socialists ways of thinking.

purplerose  posted on  2012-03-19   16:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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