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Title: Which Comes First - Promiscuous or Crazy?
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URL Source: http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2012/ ... es-first-promiscuous-or-crazy/
Published: Mar 15, 2012
Author: Susan Walsh
Post Date: 2012-03-15 15:00:48 by Turtle
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Views: 473
Comments: 7

New Gawker personality Anonymous Therapist is male, a father, and a therapist of many years who primarily treats teens and couples. He responds to questions about his practice, sharing the insights he’s gleaned and also some pretty outrageous stories. I was especially intrigued by his views on sexual promiscuity. (H/T: Stuart Schneiderman)

Gawker: Do you find that females who “experiment” are prone to self-destruction?

Anonymous Therapist: A resounding yes. Forget about the spoon-fed knowledge that promiscuity and experimentation lead to a higher risk of sexual assault, STDs, and unplanned children. Women that experiment—both heterosexually and homosexually—have, in my experience, faced higher levels of guilt and a lack of identity as their lives begin to settle down. Understand that this is a chicken-or-egg scenario, because sexual promiscuity in women in is one of the three major symptoms of internal anger and self-hatred, along with substance abuse and self-mutilation.

SW: Anonymous Therapist doesn’t specify a particular number of partners, but zeroes in on the motives for having casual sex as indicative of poor mental health. Here correlation, with or without causation, suggests that slutty behavior is a package deal, born of a desire to harm or punish oneself.

Gawker: That seems harsh. How so?

AT: I had a female patient once. She was very attractive, had three kids and was married to a prominent figure around town. She admitted to me that as a teen, she was extremely sexually active due to some feelings of unattractiveness and abandonment. Once she had kids, she felt guilty that her kids would one day—and I’m quoting here—”realize that they were birthed from a ‘whore,’” and that there was no special physical connection between her and her husband because he was like, the 70th man she’d been with. She felt unworthy of her social prominence because no one knew who she truly was. Since she could not separate from her past and never truly dealt with the core issues of her inadequacies, she began to self-destruct with substances, a spending addiction, and oftentimes engaging in communications that would jeopardize her husband’s career.

■Self-destruction stems from guilt or a sense of unworthiness, and if you are not punished by someone else then, in your mind, you must punish yourself. ■Experimentation is also socially driven: It is now commendable in our society to be promiscuous. ■For both men and women, any type of promiscuity or experimentation, what you feel at the time is not always how you will feel about it later. In my opinion, any type of promiscuity or “phase” is fulfilling some type of need or emptiness inside that person at that specific time. Later on, that need may be fulfilled, but the behavior has occurred and the person may not be able to intellectualize the rationale or forgive themselves for fulfilling that need in that venue.

SW: Interestingly, AT begins by speaking about female promiscuity, but ends by generalizing that promiscuous behavior for both sexes comes from a place of inadequacy rather than emotional health.

What AT doesn’t address is the role of peer pressure, culture, and pluralistic ignorance on college campuses. Recently the Harvard Crimson interviewed Lisa Wade, Ph.D., a Sociology professor at Occidental College who studies the role of sex, sexuality, and gender in society. Wade dishes out a lot of feminist blather about “teh patriarchy” but at least she’s honest about what’s going on in hookup culture:

Crimson: What role do you think that television and the media’s very casual attitude toward sex has played in shaping society’s views on sex?

LW: It certainly contributes to the pluralistic ignorance and the idea that college is going to be constant sex with attractive people and that that’s how you have fun in college. We get the idea that someone who is cool and interesting and exciting is someone who is doing it and doing it with whoever, whenever, however…. The media seems to be saying that students who don’t participate are just irrelevant and off the social map altogether, and that’s a pretty harsh punishment to someone who objects to what’s going on or wishes it were different.

…What the sexual revolution of the 1960s and 1970s gave us is the opportunity to say “yes” to sex. But what it didn’t give us was the opportunity to say “no.” So students feel comfortable saying “yes” to sex, but they also feel like it’s increasingly difficult to say “no.” They feel like they should lose their virginity and have casual sex, and they feel bad about wanting to say “no.”

…When students arrive on campus their first year, they are very excited about what they think is going to be lots and lots of sex and lots and lots of fun. They often start getting disappointed right away and find themselves getting disappointed with so little pleasure and feelings of empowerment. But they don’t feel like they can change the way it is. The majority of students hook up now and then, but they have mixed feelings about what’s going on—they’re excited about the opportunity to be sexual but they’re also frustrated. Over the four years of college, students spend less and less time hooking up.

Clearly, there’s more going on here than self-hatred, though it seems reasonable to assume that the disappointment and frustration students feel after hooking up might create or exacerbate those feelings. One young woman told me that when she got very depressed about the hookup scene and her role in it at her small, private college she went to see a school counselor, who reported that most of the requests for counseling related directly to the hookup scene and kids’ struggles to find their place within it or outside it.

There was one other remark from Anonymous Therapist that I know will interest you:

Gawker: So do you think couples should reveal how many people they’ve had sex with in order to alleviate guilt?

Absolutely not! Once you know that number, you begin to dwell on it and then the mind begins to go places it shouldn’t go and then start to rationalize and over-think the numbers—i.e., how many were one-night stands? How often were feelings shared? Does that make it better or worse? And so on. It’s just a useless piece of information that tends to eventually, more often than not, impact the relationship either on a conscious or subconscious level. So keep it to yourself.

SW: It’s an interesting observation. If one’s number of past sexual partners predicts future behavior, and there’s some reason to think that it does, then it’s important information. Yet it does not come without a price, as it may require forgiveness or compromise very early in a relationship. It may also prevent the heartache of being cheated on or dumped later. There’s no way to know up front. As long as sexual behavior remains unrestrained by societal norms, the “number” is going to be an important point of discussion.


Poster Comment:

I thought about this topic for a long time, based on my personal experience and of those I know, and I have found that too promiscuous for male or female is Crazy First -- and I have found that those with this problems are excessively into drugs and are self-destructive.

I recently ran across a woman I knew in college -- now on psychiatric medication, smokes, and still gets high by herself. Also not married and childless -- with no prospects for either. Just a cat.

I have seen this several times, including among men.

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#1. To: Turtle, farmfriend (#0)

Without necessarily agreeing with the "Anonymous Therapists" reasons for causation of the behavior I do agree that it is self destructive. That is why I am personally against it. It is not because I am prude or it is "immoral", nor that I do not think that sex is good sweaty fun, but that promiscuity and by that serial behavior of destructively indulgent sexuality, harms the person who engages in it.

And like you I have seen what it does to people over time - they become self-destructive in other ways. I suspect that is because deep down they don't approve of what they are doing, but are doing it compulsively for whatever hidden motivation. By the time they reach their 40's they have either reformed, died, or have a life that is from a drama one really doesn't want to go to.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-03-15   16:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#1)

harms the person who engages in it.

The ones I knew, say back in college, thought it was fun. Then later, with all that baggage -- and the personal problems that go with it -- they couldn't maintain any kind of relationship.

Then they end up, for the most part, bitter, resentful and hostile, and blaming their problems on the other sex.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-03-15   16:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Turtle (#2)

Then they end up, for the most part, bitter, resentful and hostile, and blaming their problems on the other sex.

"It's all your fault that I am disease ridden, alcoholic, drug abusing slut with 5 cats."

"MEN!!"

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-03-15   16:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)

"It's all your fault that I am disease ridden, alcoholic, drug abusing slut with 5 cats."

"My long-term boyfriend dumped me...I have no home, no husband, no children....just a cat...men are responsible for all my problems...and the world's too, for that matter."

I've seen that several times.

"You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle

Turtle  posted on  2012-03-15   17:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Turtle (#0)

sexual promiscuity in women in is one of the three major symptoms of internal anger and self-hatred

I'm not sure that applies to nogs.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-03-15   17:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#1)

Why did you ping farmfriend to prude and promiscuous? : )

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abraxas  posted on  2012-03-16   12:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#6)

Why did you ping farmfriend to prude and promiscuous? : )

The short version is that she thought I was being prudish on another thread so I pinged her to this one to hopefully clarify my viewpoint.

Sexuality is such a touchy subject in our culture with so many taboos and irrational considerations that it is easily misunderstood where a person is coming from.

It is like trying to draw the line between sexually active in a healthy way and slutty behavior. There is no clear line between adventurous and promiscuous other than promiscuous is done compulsively and without that much real enjoyment and adventurous is done for the fun of it. One is having sex to have sex and the other is having sex with someone whose company they enjoy and making joyful wet spots on the sheets. Really promiscuous people, I have observed, seem to have difficulty reacting emotionally with warmth on a human level. Ultimately it comes down to an individual's moral and ethical viewpoint and what they think is wrong or not and how it affects them as an individual. For the record I am not over fond of weepy tame women. And compulsive chastity is not a plus. I like a girl who can bait her own hook without going "ewwwwwwww".

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-03-16   14:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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