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Title: You'll Feel Differently About George Zimmerman And The Trayvon Martin Shooting After You Read This
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/geor ... trayvon-martin-shooting-2012-4
Published: Apr 26, 2012
Author: Henry Blodget
Post Date: 2012-04-26 09:15:33 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 459
Comments: 53

Reuters' Chris Francescani has written a detailed article that paints a far more sympathetic portrait of George Zimmerman than most media coverage to date.

Francescani visited the Twin Lakes neighborhood in Sanford, Florida where Zimmerman shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in February.

He talked to many residents of the neighborhood, who provided details about Zimmerman and a recent crime spree that had plagued the neighborhood in the months before the shooting.

The George Zimmerman that Francescani describes is quite different from the "delusional racist vigilante" that many have made him out to be.

The background information doesn't make what happened any less tragic, but it does provide more color about Zimmerman's behavior.

Here are some of the details that Francescani reports:

Zimmerman grew up in a mixed-race household

He was an altar boy at his Caltholic church from age 7-17 He is bilingual

After he finished high school, he studied for and got an insurance license

In 2004, Zimmerman and a black friend opened an Allstate insurance office (which soon failed)

Zimmerman's 2005 arrest for "resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer" occurred after he shoved an under-cover alcohol control agent at a bar when the agent was trying to arrest an underage friend of his

Zimmerman married his wife, Shellie, in 2007. They rented a house in Twin Lakes. Twin Lakes is about 50% white, 20% Hispanic, and 20% black.

In 2009, Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College

In the fall of 2009, a pit bull broke free twice and once cornered Shellie in the Zimmermans' yard. George Zimmerman asked a police officer whether he should buy pepper spray. The cop told him pepper spray wasn't fast enough and recommended that he get a gun.

By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes "was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins." In several of the cases, witnesses said the robbers were young black men

In July 2011, a black teenager stole a bicycle off the Zimmermans' porch

In August of 2011, a neighbor of the Zimmermans, Olivia Bertalan, was home during the day when two young black men entered her house. She hid in a room upstairs and called the police. When the police arrived, the two men, who had been trying to take a TV, fled. One of them ran through the Zimmermans' yard. After the break-in, George Zimmerman stopped by the Bertalans and gave Olivia a card with his name and number on it. He told her to visit his wife Shellie if she felt unsafe. The police recommended that Bertalan get a dog. She moved away instead. Zimmerman got a second dog--a Rottweiler.

In September, several concerned residents of the neighborhood, including Zimmerman, asked the neighborhood association to create a neighborhood watch. Zimmerman was asked to run it.

In the next month, two more houses in the neighborhood were robbed. A community newsletter reminded residents to report any crimes to the police and then call "George Zimmerman, our captain."

On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman spotted a young black man looking into the windows of a neighbor's empty house. He called the police and said "I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally." The police sent a car, but by the time they arrived, the man was gone.

On February 6th, another house was burglarized. Witnesses said two of the robbers were black teenagers. One, who had prior burglary convictions, was soon caught with a laptop stolen from the house.

Two weeks later, Zimmerman spotted Travyon Martin and called the police. The last time he had done this, the suspect got away. This time, he disregarded police instructions and followed. A few minutes later, Martin was dead.

Again, none of this makes Trayvon Martin's death any less tragic. But doesn't it make you feel a bit differently about Zimmerman?

Read Chris Francescani's article here >

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/g...ting-2012-4#ixzz1t9Sbubpd

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-26   9:38:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eric Stratton (#1)

Why didn't he do his due diligence prior to moving into a community like that??

I dunno. Apparently Z-man is 50% white, 38% Hispanic, 12% black.

He doesn't fit any pure racial enclaves if that is your point. And no neighborhood is crime-free.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-04-26   10:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-26   10:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eric Stratton (#3)

I've compiled an admirable record at that. I'm very proud of it.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-04-26   10:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#4)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-26   10:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#4)

I've compiled an admirable record at that. I'm very proud of it.

lol ;)

Three grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to love, and something to hope for.

christine  posted on  2012-04-26   10:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eric Stratton (#1)

W/ all of those community "maladies," why TF didn't he move?

Why didn't he do his due diligence prior to moving into a community like that??

That's right! He could just pick up and move. That shows ignorance and an answer from someone with a low IQ. He was protecting his and his community's property, just what many claimed they would do in similar circumstances. You 4um elites have "all" the answers. Many of you talk about getting a gun to protect what's yours and that is just what he did.

They need to leave him alone.

ambi  posted on  2012-04-26   12:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: ambi (#7)

They need to leave him alone.

The fact that his dad was a magistrate judge and managed to get his son out of jail, tells me this is reeks of corruption and needs to be further investigated. Were I to have blasted a black teen with my revolver, I'd have been thrown in jail and my parents wouldn't protect me! Not only that, but I'd be watching my back. I've gone to an all black school where the principle was a black preacher. In the South, you learn to get along with black people.

The fact that George followed Trayvon after he was told not to follow Trayvon and then took the law into his own hands to not just shoot to injure but to kill does not change my perception of him at all. What bothers me is that his dad pulled some strings for his son and his son will probably be acquitted of murder charges.

purplerose  posted on  2012-04-26   16:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eric Stratton (#1)

That's my position and I'm sticking to it.

Really ? Why should he "move" out of his own neighborhood ? Why shouldn't he protect his own neighborhood ? He's obviously not a racist and the killing probably wasn't racially motivated.

Where did you draw the conclusion that he had a propensity for psychotic self- centered behavior ? I haven't seen anything indicative of said behavior being reported anywhere.

"APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"

noone222  posted on  2012-04-26   18:53:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: purplerose (#8)

The fact that his dad was a magistrate judge and managed to get his son out of jail, tells me this is reeks of corruption and needs to be further investigated.

It is being investigated.

I think Al Sharpton (who is always wrong) and Jesse Jackson are grand standing niggers that shouldn't have any influence on the "FEDS" (based upon their own questionable pasts. The FEDS are attempting to railroad Zimmerman to satisfy the black community that is rushing to judgment. Blacks may have some legitimate bitches but Zimmerman isn't one of them.

There should be little doubt that the district attorney had lots of pressure put on her and she caved. However, she'll not get a conviction on anything more than manslaughter, if that.

"APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"

noone222  posted on  2012-04-26   19:01:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: purplerose (#8)

As I said. You 4um elites have "all" the answers. The evidence uncovered so far means little to you. You can't see past the father being a magistrate. Have a nice day.

ambi  posted on  2012-04-26   19:21:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ada (#0)

Again, none of this makes Trayvon Martin's death any less tragic. But doesn't it make you feel a bit differently about Zimmerman?

Not at all.

How anyone feels about zimmerman is irrelevant.....

I simply find it hard to believe that a grown man with a handgun, who was following a 17 year old kid, at night in the rain, was simply defending himself. and did nothing to provoke a fight.

I also find it hard to believe that in an altercation where one man has a handgun, and the other does not...... that the armed man would be begging for his life.

What seems plausible to me, and is my opinion only - is that zimmerman followed martin through the complex, in the rain, at night, and confronted him with a handgun.

Martin, instead of retreating, chose to stand HIS ground and fight. In the struggle to save his own life, he bloodied his attacker's nose and caused him a minor head wound while struggling on the pavement. Zimmerman then gained the advantage and trained his weapon on the boy's chest. Martin ,realizing that his attacker meant to do far more than scare him off and inflict some pain - now understands that his only chance to survive is to plead with this man for his life........

his final words are heard on the 911 recording - he is begging for his attacker to not pull that trigger.......

but, ultimately, zimmerman rejects the unarmed boy's tearful request.....

and executes Trayvon Martin with a single blast to the chest.

This is my opinion only.

Jameson  posted on  2012-04-26   21:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative (#2)

I dunno. Apparently Z-man is 50% white, 38% Hispanic, 12% black.

He doesn't fit any pure racial enclaves if that is your point. And no neighborhood is crime-free.

Right. Also leaving because of crime is kind of stupid, criminals have cars too and are not restricted to robbing only certain neighborhoods. In fact most criminals prefer to steal where they can find nicer things in better neighborhoods, considered "safe" by many. Zimmerman was doing what most any of us would do here, trying his best to protect his neighborhood from criminals. He wasn't on a mission to kill someone, he just wanted to make sure a crime wasn't committed.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-04-26   21:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jameson (#12)

his final words are heard on the 911 recording - he is begging for his attacker to not pull that trigger.......

You heard wrong. The cries were for help, never once was the person yelling out and begging for his life. You are assuming it was the 17 year old yelling when there were eyewitnesses that have said it was Zimmerman yelling and was on the ground with Trayvon on top of him. Your assumptions are crazy. No one seeks to kill someone especially when they are in no danger and have no history of doing any thing like this.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-04-26   21:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: RickyJ (#14)

. Your assumptions are crazy

You are welcome to your opinion.

However, I remain unconvinced that the man with the handgun screamed for "help" moments before he executed an unarmed 17 year old.

" No one seeks to kill someone especially when they are in no danger "

In no danger? of course he was in danger - the kid zimmerman was trying to intimidate actually stood up for himself and fought back!

That is indeed a dangerous scenario for an armed bully to face, wouldn't you agree?

Jameson  posted on  2012-04-26   22:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: RickyJ (#14)

You're wasting your time with Jameson.

Every so often, certain people have to have a little racial shitfit. We had millions of these people overdue for an outbreak. So this Trayvon thing bubbled up off the idiot stream at Twitter/Facebook. Then Sharpton and Jackson stopped their usual grifting action long enough to pile on to this one like drunks on the last can of Sterno. A little later, Jameson shows up here to tell you that you're a great big racist so he can feel smug about himself.

The only way to win is not to play.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-04-26   23:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jameson (#15) (Edited)

That is indeed a dangerous scenario for an armed bully to face, wouldn't you agree?

How many bullies call 9/11 before bullying someone?

Zimmerman was mentoring two black kids. I suppose you think he just wanted to bully them too huh? How many bullies give a crap about the welfare of two kids that are of no relation to them in any way? Zimmerman fits the profile of man defending his neighborhood more than he fits the profile of a bully. Trayvon was suspended from school at the time. It wasn't because he was such a nice kid, he had some serious problems with authority. He picked the wrong guy to mess with that night. He was destined to be killed sooner or later.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-04-26   23:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jameson, RickyJ, titorite, Jethro Tull, Eric Stratton, Artisan, all (#15)

. Your assumptions are crazy

You are welcome to your opinion.

However, I remain unconvinced that the man with the handgun screamed for "help" moments before he executed an unarmed 17 year old.

" No one seeks to kill someone especially when they are in no danger "

In no danger? of course he was in danger - the kid zimmerman was trying to intimidate actually stood up for himself and fought back!

That is indeed a dangerous scenario for an armed bully to face, wouldn't you agree?

You are ASSuming a lot things that are not in evidence.

However, I remain unconvinced that the man with the handgun screamed for "help" moments before he executed an unarmed 17 year old.

Your position ASSumes that Zimmerman was itching to kill someone and yet there is nothing in his history to suggest he held that kind of attitude - in fact his history of helping others points in the opposite direction.

As well you are assuming he approached Trayvon with a drawn gun. There is nothing to support that in any of the accounts I have read.

It is just as possible that an overly aggressive black kid attacked an armed man, whom he did not realize was armed because the gun was holstered out of sight, and that man was overwhelmed by the young thug and was screaming for help.

How the gun came to be drawn and discharged is indeterminate from the existing evidence in the public record.

In no danger? of course he was in danger - the kid zimmerman was trying to intimidate actually stood up for himself and fought back!

And you know this to be true how?

It is just as easy to assume that the kid attacked Zimmerman because he had an attitude problem. Something which is in evidence because the kid had already been kicked out of school for attacking someone.

However, I am NOT a Zimmerman apologist my position as I told another "Poooooooor Innocent Trayvon" advocate is that there is insufficient evidence to conclude one way or the other.

Jumping to conclusions based upon unsupported assumptions is logically unsound.

All of the Trayvon advocates all seem to have one common assumption, which is unsupported, in their reasoning. They assume that Zimmerman was looking for a fight and wanted to kill someone, and there is NO, NONE, ZERO, NADA, evidence to support that.

Further is the implied premise that Zimmerman was a "rayciss" and that is also NOT IN EVIDENCE. The evidence, based upon his history and upbringing, is exactly the opposite.

While it is possible that Zimmerman did execute the kid there is NOTHING in the existing evidence which clearly supports that, and all of the assumptions about Zimmerman's attitudes and supposed "ray-cism" have been shown to not have any support in his historical behavior.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-27   0:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#18)

and yet there is nothing in his history to suggest he held that kind of attitude - in fact his history of helping others points in the opposite direction.

HERE original intent...

articles.orlandosentinel....ons-documents-injunctions

This is the link to Zimmermans past criminal record... as you read it you might notice similarities to his current situation.

Granted it only goes over how he deals with the female species.

After that , their is this

"RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER "

www.democraticunderground.com/1002478618

So what we have here is a man that is willing to attack women and cops...

That is a history of violence right there.

Not sure if you have read over it all.... The poster at the second link seems to of done a good job... he has more links too.

Zimmerman had a past before this thing. That past does not reflect well on his current situation.


I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-04-27   3:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: titorite (#19)

Except again we run into conflicting data.

In the case of the restraining order he also filed one against her and BOTH were granted. As well while they are often justified restraining orders are also used as tools of revenge against former lovers by some women.

As for the cop situation he pushed an undercover cop who was arresting an underage friend in a bar. His action was, from his perspective, in defense of a friend. So, here again the data cuts both ways and is not absolutely applicable to this particular situation.

And as even some in the media have begun pointing out the initial media feeding frenzy of trying to paint Zimmerman as a WHITE hispanic Ray-Ciss does not hold up all that well when his full background is looked at.

So, again we are confronted with conflicting data.

The axiom from logic that I apply in such situations is: "When one is presented with two mutually contradictory datums the first thing one can know is that one or both are false." And it takes more data to resolve the conflict.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-27   3:29:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: titorite (#19)

Undercover cop which in a bar environment he had no idea that he was a real cop but probably thought he was just a jackass harassing his buddy.

That was an ex-girlfriend that said that when they were breaking up. I believe that story of him pushing her about as much as I believe my ex-girlfriend's lies about me. Some women are nuts, you should know that by now.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-04-27   3:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#20)

As for the cop situation he pushed an undercover cop who was arresting an underage friend in a bar. His action was, from his perspective, in defense of a friend.

Man... did you just write that?

Zimmerman was in a bar , he knew his buddy was underage. A crime. ONe he damn well knew and helped perpetuate. .... And did he talk it out? NO!

HE FOUGHT A COP!!!! WHEN HE KNEW HE WAS GUILTY!

http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/local/west-volusia/2012/03/22/was-sanford-shooter-a-vigilante-or-good-neighbor.html

(lib media but it has the paragraph)

"""In 2005, Zimmerman was charged with resisting arrest with violence. State alcohol agents said Zimmerman pushed them while they were arresting a friend of his during an underage drinking operation at a bar. Zimmerman avoided a conviction by going into a pretrial program that is offered to people with no prior arrests. """

I don't know man....

I am all for being neutral but you're talking about disregarding facts of the mans history based on....

Based on what exactly?

The man has a history... not of one singular event but many many events... including some minor traffic violations... which are normally of no consequence.... HOWEVER when on deferred adjudication even minor traffic offences are cause to be called back into court. WHich he wasn't....

OI.... him being white or mexican... the kid being black... these are not details to the case. TO me at least. The way the system their is behaving.... It is not like any case in any state I have had experience with... and I have had too much experience from my mispent youth.

His case.....

FUCKING SHIT!

IDK know what to say man... it is irregular.

The audio/voice experts confirming it was not Zimmerman begging for help... the past criminal history of zimmerman, his favouritism by the system, .........

THE 30 SECONDS OF BEGGING FOR LIFE.

Please listen to it OI...

One can determine a few things from it....

first of all one can determine that Zimmerman was in total control and Martin was at his mercy... so much at his mercy that he begged... and I don't mean nice begging, I mean cold on the ground snivelling , crying , do not put this man on the front line, cowardly begging.

oaf

rough stuff.

Point being... The begging went on and on.... That means .....OK OI this is presumption... however, it should mean..... that level of snivelling..that length of time... More than likely Zimmerman had the gun drawn on him and held it.

And thought.

And held it.

and considered.

Trayvon begged like a bitch.

Like a bitch at his total and complete mercy.

Zimmerman did not show mercy or civility. Zimmerman shot him dead when he did not need too...

Listen to the 911 audio enough and it becomes evident...

He had him... regardless of what happened he had him... he had him begging and crying and snivelling... snivelling for fucks sake. Zimmerman had martin at his mercy totally and in full. He could ordered that boy to do anything at that point. Anything. Instead he shot him..... then he was not arrested.

No.

The cop that wanted him on manslaughter should of been listened too. Zimmerman might of gotten off if that had happened. The whole situation...

It shines a light on enforcement and judiciary...

NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THAT!!!!

FUCK THE NIGS AND SPICS

FUCK THE CASE!!! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHY WONT ANYONE LOOK AT THAT!!!!!

The dick heads daddy is a judge.... the dick head has a past... not a minor past but a growing and extensive past.

Oh girls are jealous..

Oh the cop picked on his underage buddy.

Oh it is just a minor violation on probation.

Oh Zimmerman didn't do anything all that bad before he murdered that boy in self defence ..

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!

IF this was somebody else their would not be a debate.... he would of been arrested on night one charged on night one and forgotten about on night one. But he is a judges son..

He has done this kind of shit before.....

Why are people excusing his past misdeeds... yeah sure fine , he helped a black lady cross the road... great... who gives a shit about race..!!!! Fuck race cards.... The fucker has a history and this is just how jeffery dahmer the animal mutilator graduates into jeffery dahmer the serial killer... this is how criminals act..... they start small... get away with it a few times and go on to bigger and better thrills.

OMG I do not get it... I dont...

OFrgive me Original intent....

I respect the stance of neutrality.

I can understand not wanting to express a judgement preferring instead to wait on the courts judgement.....

What I can not understand is the total dismissal of the facts against Zimmerman...

Seriously the dude has a plethora of previous events mingled with questionable aspects of this current event and the defenders just overlook whatever is inconvenient to Zimmermans being a hero of some kind..... AHHHHHHHH

The fuck head has been arrested.... it only took over a month.

Let the courts figure it out..


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titorite  posted on  2012-04-27   5:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: titorite (#22)

... and I have had too much experience from my mispent youth.

Phunny post!

I hope no one holds your misspent youth against you if you are ever charged with something serious. Let's hope the judge & jury rely on testimony & evidence.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-04-27   6:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent, 4um (#18)

You are ASSuming a lot things that are not in evidence.

Your above, and the problem of the gross over charging by the special prosecutor, are about as far as people should go with this case. Oddly enough Alan Dershowitz, whose politics I despise, has went afa to call her charge of murder 2 a crime. It's perjury to swear to an affidavit if you wilfully exclude exculpatory evidence. Some level of manslaughter could have possibly worked, but still doubtful IMO if Zimmerman was on his back with a cut head as one witness has stated. I'm much more interested in the predictable reaction to an acquittal, and who that reaction benefits. Zimmerman's previous brush with the law will be inadmissible as will Trayvon's so any discussion of that is based on emotion and ignorance of criminal trials.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-27   8:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: titorite (#22)

Let the courts figure it out..

Why don't you follow your own advice and let the courts figure it out? You have made up your prejudiced mjnd that Zimmerman is guilty. Are you a brother crying like jessee and sharpton?

ambi  posted on  2012-04-27   12:37:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: ambi (#25)

Let the courts figure it out..

Why don't you follow your own advice and let the courts figure it out? You have made up your prejudiced mjnd that Zimmerman is guilty. Are you a brother crying like jessee and sharpton?

You may not know this but I assure you that I am not a member of that jury. That said I am still allowed my own opinion on the matter as you are....

I for one just can not figure out why so many are defending Zimmerman... It's just like all those gay black men swearing Michal Jackson was not a paedophile or that OJ really was innocent... Bullshit. but oh well such is life. I will retain my opinion just as the courts retained their judgments.


I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-04-27   14:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: randge (#23)

and I have had too much experience from my mispent youth.

Phunny post!

I hope no one holds your misspent youth against you if you are ever charged with something serious. Let's hope the judge & jury rely on testimony &

In the real world all kinds of people hold all kinds of things against you.

Their are several jobs I can not get. Despite the fact I am told my rights to vote and own guns have been restored I still get letters from the sheriffs office saying if I vote I'll be arrested. When people do not find out I get judged differently

The further the event is in the past the less it reflects on you in the present. My crimes are over 12 years in my past. And they were drug crimes of possession. Zimmermans crimes are only 6 years in his past and revolve around him being violent now just with loved ones but with cops too.

In this day and age..... where giving a cop a dirty look is an arrestable offense this guy was allowed to push em around and cuss em a blue streak...

It was not his squeaky clean record that saved his ass... it was his judge daddy that saved his baby sons ass.


I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-04-27   14:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

You are ASSuming a lot things that are not in evidence.

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Your above, and the problem of the gross over charging by the special prosecutor, are about as far as people should go with this case.

Agreed. However, the "pooooooooooor Trayvon™©" supporters seem to have developed a Lynch Mob mentality and they don't need no steenking evuhdunce cuz' they just knows that this WHITE/hispanic/black rayciss hates black people an' jus' kilt this poor kid cuz' he was black. Of course there is no evidence to support that but then Lynch Mobs don't need no steeking evuhdunce.

Oddly enough Alan Dershowitz, whose politics I despise, has went afa to call her charge of murder 2 a crime. It's perjury to swear to an affidavit if you wilfully exclude exculpatory evidence.

Also agreed (including despising Dershotwit). And there does appear to be a body of exculpatory evidence which the "pooooooooooor Trayvon™©" supporters are busy trying to ignore and downplay because they have their "minds" made up and don't want to be confused by having to deal in facts. The one thing I keep coming back to, because it is key in sorting this out, is the eye witness report that puts Trayvon on top beating Zimmerman, and that is the one piece of evidence the "pooooooooooor Trayvon™©" supporters are desperately trying to avoid. The audio is inconclusive because there are statements in the public record from different credible experts that go both ways i.e., that it was Trayvon screaming for help, and that it was Zimmerman screaming for help. That is where the eyewitness testimony becomes critical because it gives us a datum to use in sorting that out.

Some level of manslaughter could have possibly worked, but still doubtful IMO if Zimmerman was on his back with a cut head as one witness has stated.

Exactly. If it can be shown and verified that it was Trayvon on top beating Zimmerman with his gun still holstered then it becomes a clear cut case of self defense which would result in acquittal - which of course will drive the supporters of the "pooooooooooor Trayvon™©" attacked by the evil WHITE/hispanic/black rayciss scenario into apoplexy.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-27   15:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: titorite (#26)

I will retain my opinion just as the courts retained their judgments.

You remind me of the juror played by Lee J Cobb in the movie 12 Angry Men who was so prejudiced and insisted he had a right to his opinion. I see a low IQ at play here!

ambi  posted on  2012-04-27   15:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: titorite, O_I, Cynicom, noone222, 4um (#26)

I for one just can not figure out why so many are defending Zimmerman

T, I don't see anyone on this board defending Zimmerman. Both I, O_I, and noone222 have stated that a case could be made for manslaughter. IIRC, manslaughter requires reckless conduct that causes the death of another individual. I can see 12 people agreeing on that. Manslaughter might vary from state to state, but that’s the core of the charge. Where you're rolling off the rails, IMO, is by stating he's a murdered. He isn't a murderer from the evidence I've seen, and the REAL question is why was he charged with a crime the prosecution has virtually no chance in proving? No personal offense intended, but it's the WRONG charge, and one brought for either a political agenda or complete incompetence. I suspect an innocent verdict will produce the desired effect and that is a Rodney King-type reaction which is exactly what the puppet masters want. Should that happen, the (s)election this November will be about race rather than our soon to be economic collapse. I urge you not to fall for the massive bullshit barrage being blasted at you and stay focused on our real problems.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-27   15:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: ambi (#29)

I will retain my opinion just as the courts retained their judgments.

You remind me of the juror played by Lee J Cobb in the movie 12 Angry Men who was so prejudiced and insisted he had a right to his opinion. I see a low IQ at play here!

Maybe stop looking in the mirror?

I say again I am not a juror in this case.

I have an opinion... Maybe that makes me an asshole in your opinion.

Don't care. I express my views on the subject matter but in reality the expression of my views here will have nil impact on the case over there.


I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-04-27   15:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

T, I don't see anyone on this board defending Zimmerman. Both I, O_I, and noone222 have stated that a case could be made for manslaughter.

I urge you not to fall for the massive bullshit barrage being blasted at you and stay focused on our real problems.

I hear ya... I see common sense from some.

From others I see something else....

As for staying focused on real problems... :D Yeah this is minor distraction. IN reality land I see the hypnotist tomorrow to get a mental assist to stop smoking.


I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-04-27   15:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: titorite (#32)

IN reality land I see the hypnotist tomorrow to get a mental assist to stop smoking.

Good luck brother. Cold turkey eventually worked for me, but I did gain 20 pounds :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-27   16:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

I suspect an innocent verdict will produce the desired effect and that is a Rodney King-type reaction which is exactly what the puppet masters want. Should that happen, the (s)election this November will be about race rather than our soon to be economic collapse. I urge you not to fall for the massive bullshit barrage being blasted at you and stay focused on our real problems.

More and more I find that a plausible explanation for the circus. The only way they make a 2nd Degree murder charge stick is to suppress evidence and too many people are watching. And if it is shown convincingly that it was Trayvon who initiated the physical contact then they can't even make manslaughter stick.

As it stands now the presstitutes are having a hard time continuing to downplay the massive support for Ron Paul and are pushing the designated loser Oromney so that they can make a plausible argument that Oh'bummer won the (s)Election. However, the house of cards is getting pretty rickety and the whores of the media are losing their audience in droves - witness CNN's 50% plunge in viewership. More people are catching on that they are being lied to and manipulated through information control and slant. I think that is why the Police State apparatus is being set up in such a hurried fashion and the attacks on free speech on the Internet are becoming so repetitive and frequent - their time is running out and their window of opportunity is fast closing and they know it.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-27   16:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: titorite, Jethro Tull (#32)

I would recommend against hypnotism as it has too many potential adverse side effects and the subconscious seems to interpret the commands with too much latitude and no reason.

If you want to quit, quit. Best is to just taper off or go cold turkey and hang on for the week or so it takes your body to throw off the nicotine addiction. Once your system is clean and flushed it is all mental, but you want to do it under your own reasoned self determinism rather than relying on below awareness implants with unpredictable side effects.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-27   17:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: titorite, JT, 4 (#32)

Good luck with the cigs.

Giving up the pops for me was much, much easier than losing the smoke.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-04-27   17:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: titorite (#31)

I have an opinion... Maybe that makes me an asshole in your opinion.

No one thinks that you're an asshole, titorite.

You have accepted certain premises with regard to Zimmerman's history and actions that some here feel are legitimately in dispute.

I would recognize that whatever bonehead things Zimmerman may have done in the past as not dispositive of what went on that fatal day. His displays of aggression and relationship problems are not likely to come into play in a judgement except insofar as they may enter into considerations of motive. In any event, there are witness and hopefully the residents of Twin Lakes that were there that day will supply testimony that will establish the facts and the motive for the shooting.

Whatever Zimmerman's personal history, those facts have as little bearing on establishing just what transpired as does the fact that Martin was caught in school with contraband that included burglar tools. What we feel about Zimmerman or Martin is irrelevant. What's important is understanding exactly what happened on the rainy evening when Zimmerman shot Martin.

I, for one, am content to wait it out and read the testimony as it comes in.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-04-27   18:12:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: randge (#37)

I, for one, am content to wait it out and read the testimony as it comes in.

This is just another non event, run of the mill, shooting death in Florida.

For whatever reason the President and the race whores that dominate the media have turned it into a powder keg for some reason.

Regardless of what happens, BLACKS WILL LOSE ONCE AGAIN.

As a race or culture they are not smart enough to understand they are BEING USED.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-27   18:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: randge (#37)

I, for one, am content to wait it out and read the testimony as it comes in.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-04-27   18:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom (#38)

As a race or culture they are not smart enough to understand they are BEING USED.

Many are not smart enough, but not all. Some blacks see this for what it really is, a case of the media trying to get people angry about a perceived injustice for their own interests.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-04-27   19:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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